Actually, the frame-relay part is to manage traffic flow between the customer and the ISP. And yes, that's the the foundation for the 11th level of hell (currently under construction.)
If you work for an ISP that sells Covad service (for example), you know first hand how much of a pain this is. Frame is the encapsulation between the CPE and DSLAM [note: the DSLAM doesn't have to be in a "CO".] From the DSLAM, there's a PVC or DLCI that maps that DSL ports traffic back to the ISP. It's an unbeleivable nightmare -- sometimes I'm amazed by how little Covad screws this up.
(In CopperMountain terminology, this is a "cross connect". I don't know what Nokia calls it.)
This is like InstallShield... how many lists do those *sses have anyway? After two years, I finally got tired of it and mined their website for email addresses (I only took the first 20 it found) and mailed them the same "remove me" message once per hour for most of a day. There's nothing like spamming the sales force to get your name removed. (I especially liked the extra effort of finding my home phone number and calling to ask me to stop.)
some people? Just because you and I and most of slashdot know how DNS works -- or even HTTP -- doesn't make it "common knowledge". The vast majority of people do not know how "this internet thing" works. Obviously Ford doesn't or they would simply redirect the request back to 2600. In fact, one could expect the web server(s) to be configured to answer only requests for valid names (name based virtual hosts.)
Unchangeable by whom? You? Your ISP? What you are implying is a backdoor. Companies are ripped shiny new assholes for such things. I can name a few devices (most managed ethernet switches) that used to have a fixed "support" password, but none of them do anymore (for the aforementioned reason.)
And now that I think about it, all of the ones I can name are 3Com gear.
I think that "clueless" bit is true of almost any telco. In my experience, people don't read manuals. I know for a fact that there is significant documentation from Nortel. So much so they no longer print it (we have too few trees on this planet as it is.) And, I prefer electronic documentation -- it's hard to grep a notebook.
My former boss loved not having to teach me to do things... show me a problem and tell me where I can find the manual.
Excuse me. Covad is not a LEC. That's one of the reasons alot of the DSL providers are failing. They aren't phone companies; they have no established relationship with the existing phone companies; they don't understand the "creeping mud" mindset of most telcos.
As it was with dialup some years ago, "the only way to make money in this business is to be the phone company." With DSL, that's unquestionably true -- who owns the physical wire? (the "baby bell")
First, a single line spam is rather effective esp. when they don't dance around and try to hide who they are (numeric IP, forged email headers, etc.) And yes, alot of domains point to the same place -- pick 10 random "sexy" urls and I'd bet half go to the same place.
I'm not talking about domain duplication. I don't waste my time with pay sites -- in my book, they are simply conduits to credit card fraud. The sites I'm talking about are completely free -- most of them are within geocities and the like; so how much do you think they make? No one makes a damn thing from banner ads (assuming they get viewed at all.)
Ok, so by your definition, all horror movies are identical (etc.) I suppose you'd equate Spiderman, Superman, and The Tick as identical too. (And please don't compare things to Wild Wild West... let's just forget that thing was ever filmed.)
As for very little duplication from amateur sites, you're very wrong. The study (I guess I have to go find it now) looked at comercial and free sites and found no point in paying for porno on the internet as the pay sites are mostly collections of stuff that can be found for free at multiple sites.
If the sites you browse have unique content, then more power to ya'. The sites I wander past (usually the one-liner url in spam) have varying degrees of duplication -- even within their own damned collection. Very rarely do I see pictures of people I've never seen before.
You overlooked redundancy... Hollywood, for the most part, produces unique things. If they produced the same movie six times, nobody would pay to see the clones (first to market would likely be the only one to see any profit.) Whereas in the porn industry, there's very little uniqiness. I don't remember the numbers, but there have been studies on the content of porn sites showing a high percentage of duplication.
Even in my own limited experience, I can point out significant duplication among "free" sites. And it's not like you have go out of your way to find this stuff -- hence the whole debacle on filtering software.
Cell phones don't have "touch panels". Nor do they have "light-operated" I/O. In fact, most (all?) cell phones don't have any I/O at all. I've never seen a cell phone I could plug into my computer and, for example, edit the phone number memory.
(The only connection available is to use the phone as a modem or interface a modem to it.)
As for the "containing a MODEM" part... I would have to say it doesn't contain a modem; it is a modem. But then, those digital phones that "act as a modem" aren't technically modems... the signal remains digital. (Well, as digital as everything else the phone does.)
Failed in P.O.S. systems, failed at cash registers, failed at SCSI cards.
That's bull. Just because your house isn't filled with NCR labeled devices doesn't mean they've failed at anything.
Go look at the POS terminals at groceries and malls... how many are made by NCR? IBM?
Half the gas stations I've ever been in (the one's I've paid attention in) use NCR cash registers.
Their SCSI chips "failed" so badly they are used in almost every hardware RAID setup I've seen. It spun off to Symbios which is now, suprise, owned by Adaptec. If they "failed" then why would they still exist (and be one of the best chips around?)
If you read the patents closely (and remain sane in the process), you'll see they (NCR) are talking about, basically, credit card terminals. Last time I looked, my palm pilot wasn't a credit card terminal.
Nor is it a credit card. Yet.
The patent(s) explicitly state both optical and MODEM communications. The instant your palm has both IR (all modern ones) and a modem AND you make a financial transaction from it -- point your palm at a POS terminal ala a credit card, or order something from a web site via your palm -- you've violated their patent.
Hmm, why aren't they suing Apple over the Newton? It's the same type of technology.
If I say "hey, I saw a great deal on computers in the paper," and you go out and buy it, and it turns out to be stolen, and you lose the computer and your money, have I stolen anything from you?
Not unless you profit from the transaction (i.e. you were involved in the theif, etc.) You simply pointed out "public knowledge".
If I buy your house for $250K, and turn around that day and sell it to someone else for $325K, have I stolen anything from you?
Without any other restrictions on the purcahse, No. You paid the agreed upon price for said house. Once it's yours, you can do anything within legal reason your heart desires.
If I fake your IP address and use it to download free mpegs while you are offline, have I stolen anything from you?
No. This isn't theft; it's impersonation.
If I shoulder-surf your password to a mailserver, and don't do anything with it, have I stolen anything from you?
No.
If I encode stolen credit card numbers into a bogus napster file, have I stolen anything from any napster users?
Excuse me, each is independant of the other. So, unless the list of card numbers is that of napster users, no.
Are they receiving stolen propery? Is [this] property theft?
"Yes." However, that will depend on how the court defines "property" -- numbers are not tangable property.
Is intellectual property law insane?
Yes, it is. However, it has to be. IP has to be protected as much as physical property.
Are the answers to any of these questions really as obvious as they appear?
Yes.
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They also failed to point out why this has never been a significant problem - ever. In order to assume any established connection, you'd have to be one the same cable or somewhere in the path (read: "man in the middle") You cannot steel any random connection on the net. In fact, it's become rather difficult to nuke 3rd party connections -- send an ICMP unreachable message to close down a connection between two distant machines (presumablly when you aren't in the path.) This was the tool of IRC channel/nick theives in the 80's:-)
And yes, you can assume the connection in any case if you are on the cable or in a direct path where you naturally see the traffic in both directions. I had fun one evening (yes, it's that easy) modifying my linux box (486dx50 running 0.99pl15 at the time) to "flash establish" a socket and assume the telnet session from my mac.
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Repeat after me:
Those who can, do; those who can't, manage.
And business experience is worthless. I don't have the foggiest clue what is being taught to MBA students these days, but I can prove it's wrong. Just look at the cluster-f*** that is the dot-com world.
First off, she's 8... now much did you know about statistical validity when you were 8? Yes, her sampling is statistically invalid -- I doubt it was even random. It's not like she's up for a Nobel prize.
Second, let's stop using the term "scientific experiment." It was clearly an experiment. However, "scientific" is open to question. I'm not her teach nor am I a judge in the science fair, so let's move on.
People seem to miss a few things with respect to her inference ("hypothesis".) She supposes people choose the white barbie because "that's what they always see." That's marketing -- ala. Behold the power of cheese. That's not race related. And then changes the clothing on each and asks a different set of people. I don't see how much that's testing an race preference.
The only problem with the whole mess is that the teacher allowed her to proceed with this as her project. The teacher did know what her project was, right? What if she had chosen to perform microwave (oven) radiation exposure experiments on 30 people? [I had to settle for some russian research on the subject *grin*]
While true, inside arch/ppc Linus shouldn't be "reviewing" anything. He's not a PPC guru. A quicky diffstat and browsing of the stuff outside arch/ppc would appear to be all that is required.
Linus' rant was about the ISDN people sending him huge (and they are bloody huge) patches a few days after the declaration of "code freeze" (which remains to be clearly defined by Linus as he, himself, then pushed the entire IA64 tree [4.9M gziped patch] into the kernel.) Linus is also insanely anti-CVS. (It worked perfectly for sparclinux.)
He pushed in the entire IA64 tree -- aside from the people who wrote it (and therefore already have a more up-to-date tree than Linus) and are prototyping the silicon, who actually has an IA64 system?
The PPC tree is already there. Linus is not it's maintainer. Code level decisions are entirely his to make in this vein.
(In reality, this is no different than the old vger/cvs/davem sparclinux tree.)
Gez, could they have found a group any less qualified to deal with this? All doughnut and coffee jokes aside, I doubt there is anyone on the CHP payroll qualified to rate the safety of this prank. As an engineer, I cannot understand why it took them so damned long to get the shell of a VM bug (even with the engine it ain't that heavy) down... "get a rope" Hell, let the coast guard shoot it down. (However, I would discourage someone from climbing down to cut it loose with a pocket knife.)
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Actually, the frame-relay part is to manage traffic flow between the customer and the ISP. And yes, that's the the foundation for the 11th level of hell (currently under construction.)
If you work for an ISP that sells Covad service (for example), you know first hand how much of a pain this is. Frame is the encapsulation between the CPE and DSLAM [note: the DSLAM doesn't have to be in a "CO".] From the DSLAM, there's a PVC or DLCI that maps that DSL ports traffic back to the ISP. It's an unbeleivable nightmare -- sometimes I'm amazed by how little Covad screws this up.
(In CopperMountain terminology, this is a "cross connect". I don't know what Nokia calls it.)
This is like InstallShield... how many lists do those *sses have anyway? After two years, I finally got tired of it and mined their website for email addresses (I only took the first 20 it found) and mailed them the same "remove me" message once per hour for most of a day. There's nothing like spamming the sales force to get your name removed. (I especially liked the extra effort of finding my home phone number and calling to ask me to stop.)
some people? Just because you and I and most of slashdot know how DNS works -- or even HTTP -- doesn't make it "common knowledge". The vast majority of people do not know how "this internet thing" works. Obviously Ford doesn't or they would simply redirect the request back to 2600. In fact, one could expect the web server(s) to be configured to answer only requests for valid names (name based virtual hosts.)
SS7 -- Signaling System 7
It's an out-of-band signaling system (hence the "SS") for routing switching messages -- all the bits of call setup and teardown.
See also: http://www.iec.org/tutorials/ss7/index.html
Unchangeable by whom? You? Your ISP? What you are implying is a backdoor. Companies are ripped shiny new assholes for such things. I can name a few devices (most managed ethernet switches) that used to have a fixed "support" password, but none of them do anymore (for the aforementioned reason.)
And now that I think about it, all of the ones I can name are 3Com gear.
I think that "clueless" bit is true of almost any telco. In my experience, people don't read manuals. I know for a fact that there is significant documentation from Nortel. So much so they no longer print it (we have too few trees on this planet as it is.) And, I prefer electronic documentation -- it's hard to grep a notebook.
My former boss loved not having to teach me to do things... show me a problem and tell me where I can find the manual.
- Covad (a CLEC)
Excuse me. Covad is not a LEC. That's one of the reasons alot of the DSL providers are failing. They aren't phone companies; they have no established relationship with the existing phone companies; they don't understand the "creeping mud" mindset of most telcos.As it was with dialup some years ago, "the only way to make money in this business is to be the phone company." With DSL, that's unquestionably true -- who owns the physical wire? (the "baby bell")
Heh, well, it is in Brazil.
First, a single line spam is rather effective esp. when they don't dance around and try to hide who they are (numeric IP, forged email headers, etc.) And yes, alot of domains point to the same place -- pick 10 random "sexy" urls and I'd bet half go to the same place.
I'm not talking about domain duplication. I don't waste my time with pay sites -- in my book, they are simply conduits to credit card fraud. The sites I'm talking about are completely free -- most of them are within geocities and the like; so how much do you think they make? No one makes a damn thing from banner ads (assuming they get viewed at all.)
Ok, so by your definition, all horror movies are identical (etc.) I suppose you'd equate Spiderman, Superman, and The Tick as identical too. (And please don't compare things to Wild Wild West... let's just forget that thing was ever filmed.)
As for very little duplication from amateur sites, you're very wrong. The study (I guess I have to go find it now) looked at comercial and free sites and found no point in paying for porno on the internet as the pay sites are mostly collections of stuff that can be found for free at multiple sites.
If the sites you browse have unique content, then more power to ya'. The sites I wander past (usually the one-liner url in spam) have varying degrees of duplication -- even within their own damned collection. Very rarely do I see pictures of people I've never seen before.
You overlooked redundancy... Hollywood, for the most part, produces unique things. If they produced the same movie six times, nobody would pay to see the clones (first to market would likely be the only one to see any profit.) Whereas in the porn industry, there's very little uniqiness. I don't remember the numbers, but there have been studies on the content of porn sites showing a high percentage of duplication.
Even in my own limited experience, I can point out significant duplication among "free" sites. And it's not like you have go out of your way to find this stuff -- hence the whole debacle on filtering software.
They are laptops. They aren't "of a size enabling it to fit into a hand of said user".
Additionaly, they generally fail the "touch screen" aspect of the patent.
Cell phones don't have "touch panels". Nor do they have "light-operated" I/O. In fact, most (all?) cell phones don't have any I/O at all. I've never seen a cell phone I could plug into my computer and, for example, edit the phone number memory.
(The only connection available is to use the phone as a modem or interface a modem to it.)
As for the "containing a MODEM" part... I would have to say it doesn't contain a modem; it is a modem. But then, those digital phones that "act as a modem" aren't technically modems... the signal remains digital. (Well, as digital as everything else the phone does.)
- Failed in P.O.S. systems, failed at cash registers, failed at SCSI cards.
That's bull. Just because your house isn't filled with NCR labeled devices doesn't mean they've failed at anything.Go look at the POS terminals at groceries and malls... how many are made by NCR? IBM?
Half the gas stations I've ever been in (the one's I've paid attention in) use NCR cash registers.
Their SCSI chips "failed" so badly they are used in almost every hardware RAID setup I've seen. It spun off to Symbios which is now, suprise, owned by Adaptec. If they "failed" then why would they still exist (and be one of the best chips around?)
If you read the patents closely (and remain sane in the process), you'll see they (NCR) are talking about, basically, credit card terminals. Last time I looked, my palm pilot wasn't a credit card terminal.
Nor is it a credit card. Yet.
The patent(s) explicitly state both optical and MODEM communications. The instant your palm has both IR (all modern ones) and a modem AND you make a financial transaction from it -- point your palm at a POS terminal ala a credit card, or order something from a web site via your palm -- you've violated their patent.
Hmm, why aren't they suing Apple over the Newton? It's the same type of technology.
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said sensor and transmitting areas being light-operated;
My Palm Pilot doesn't have any "light-operated" I/O. Modern unit do -- hell, they (can) have CDPD for that matter.
Ok, so when were the first HP calculators (with IR ports) available?
- If I say "hey, I saw a great deal on computers in the paper," and you go out and buy it, and it turns out to be stolen, and you lose the computer and your money, have I stolen anything from you?
Not unless you profit from the transaction (i.e. you were involved in the theif, etc.) You simply pointed out "public knowledge".- If I buy your house for $250K, and turn around that day and sell it to someone else for $325K, have I stolen anything from you?
Without any other restrictions on the purcahse, No. You paid the agreed upon price for said house. Once it's yours, you can do anything within legal reason your heart desires.- If I fake your IP address and use it to download free mpegs while you are offline, have I stolen anything from you?
No. This isn't theft; it's impersonation.- If I shoulder-surf your password to a mailserver, and don't do anything with it, have I stolen anything from you?
No.- If I encode stolen credit card numbers into a bogus napster file, have I stolen anything from any napster users?
Excuse me, each is independant of the other. So, unless the list of card numbers is that of napster users, no.- Are they receiving stolen propery? Is [this] property theft?
"Yes." However, that will depend on how the court defines "property" -- numbers are not tangable property.- Is intellectual property law insane?
Yes, it is. However, it has to be. IP has to be protected as much as physical property.- Are the answers to any of these questions really as obvious as they appear?
Yes.They also failed to point out why this has never been a significant problem - ever. In order to assume any established connection, you'd have to be one the same cable or somewhere in the path (read: "man in the middle") You cannot steel any random connection on the net. In fact, it's become rather difficult to nuke 3rd party connections -- send an ICMP unreachable message to close down a connection between two distant machines (presumablly when you aren't in the path.) This was the tool of IRC channel/nick theives in the 80's :-)
And yes, you can assume the connection in any case if you are on the cable or in a direct path where you naturally see the traffic in both directions. I had fun one evening (yes, it's that easy) modifying my linux box (486dx50 running 0.99pl15 at the time) to "flash establish" a socket and assume the telnet session from my mac.
Allow me to meta-edit *grin*
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Repeat after me:
Those who can, do; those who can't, manage.
And business experience is worthless. I don't have the foggiest clue what is being taught to MBA students these days, but I can prove it's wrong. Just look at the cluster-f*** that is the dot-com world.
First off, she's 8... now much did you know about statistical validity when you were 8? Yes, her sampling is statistically invalid -- I doubt it was even random. It's not like she's up for a Nobel prize.
Second, let's stop using the term "scientific experiment." It was clearly an experiment. However, "scientific" is open to question. I'm not her teach nor am I a judge in the science fair, so let's move on.
People seem to miss a few things with respect to her inference ("hypothesis".) She supposes people choose the white barbie because "that's what they always see." That's marketing -- ala. Behold the power of cheese. That's not race related. And then changes the clothing on each and asks a different set of people. I don't see how much that's testing an race preference.
The only problem with the whole mess is that the teacher allowed her to proceed with this as her project. The teacher did know what her project was, right? What if she had chosen to perform microwave (oven) radiation exposure experiments on 30 people? [I had to settle for some russian research on the subject *grin*]
While true, inside arch/ppc Linus shouldn't be "reviewing" anything. He's not a PPC guru. A quicky diffstat and browsing of the stuff outside arch/ppc would appear to be all that is required.
Linus' rant was about the ISDN people sending him huge (and they are bloody huge) patches a few days after the declaration of "code freeze" (which remains to be clearly defined by Linus as he, himself, then pushed the entire IA64 tree [4.9M gziped patch] into the kernel.) Linus is also insanely anti-CVS. (It worked perfectly for sparclinux.)
He pushed in the entire IA64 tree -- aside from the people who wrote it (and therefore already have a more up-to-date tree than Linus) and are prototyping the silicon, who actually has an IA64 system?
The PPC tree is already there. Linus is not it's maintainer. Code level decisions are entirely his to make in this vein.
(In reality, this is no different than the old vger/cvs/davem sparclinux tree.)
- It was the authorities that backed up traffic.
AMEN, brother!Gez, could they have found a group any less qualified to deal with this? All doughnut and coffee jokes aside, I doubt there is anyone on the CHP payroll qualified to rate the safety of this prank. As an engineer, I cannot understand why it took them so damned long to get the shell of a VM bug (even with the engine it ain't that heavy) down... "get a rope" Hell, let the coast guard shoot it down. (However, I would discourage someone from climbing down to cut it loose with a pocket knife.)
- Tux vs BSD devil
Oooo, that'd make a great celebrity deathmatch!