Forget the porn industry, can you imagine what will happen when the ADVERTISING establishment gets a hold of this? F that! I spend enough time fighting off targeted advertisements when I'm AWAKE...no way in hell am I going to do it while I'm sleeping, too.
But I think that in places where survival and hunger are major concerns, people just don't have the time or energy to worry about internet access. Ask a homeless man on the streets of NYC what he thinks about the internet and see what he says. I'm pretty sure he won't give a crap because he's more concerned about where he'll sleep and whether he'll eat.
And I'd imagine third world citizens have similar worries that far overshadow their opinions on net access and its implications on commerce.
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After reading most of the comments, and after reading the "defendant"s version of what happened, I'm pretty well disgusted with the behavior and blind reacting that has happened here.
I have to admit that I'm guilty as well...the words "domain squatting" get my ire up just like anybody else, but on further investigation I think now that the OpenBSD people are acting really childish. Apparently, (unless Mr. De Joode is a complete liar) he has made several quite reasonable attempts at compromise, which included GIVING THE DOMAIN AWAY. All of which were rejected. This looks to be another case of the bigger organization bullying a smaller one.
Why should anybody have a default claim on a name they haven't registered? Sorry, boys, it doesn't work that way. I cheer the OpenBSD people and the fine work they've done, but come on. That doesn't make them right. He paid for the domain, he has made (to my relatively uninformed knowledge) fair attempts to resolve the controversy, and is the only one of the two who seems to be acting in good faith instead of name-calling and tossing insults and misinformation.
It's unfortunate that just because they posted an "advisory" on/. everybody freaks out and gets hostile. Maybe that's WHY the advisory was sent here. They know the audience too well.
Can't we all just...get along?
The_Morlock ----- So you say life sucks? Well, life is what you make of it. so if your life sucks, YOU suck. -----
You're correct. The case that jumps to my mind is Bernstein v. US DOJ. A college professor was prohibited from posting to the WWW the source code to programs in his class.
US Judge Marilyn Patel ruled that source code is speech, and that not allowing it to be posted to the internet is unconstitutional prior restraint of speech.
As a matter of fact, the only sentence for any crime specifically mentioned in the constitution IS death for Treason. Apparently the site got hit by the/. wave, so I haven't been able to read it yet...Did he, in fact, supply crypto to so-called "enemy nations", or merely advocate it?
Big difference.
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As a matter of fact, I have read the 1st amendment many, many times. To refresh your memory:
Congress shall make no law... abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press...
Issuing a court order stating that he is not allowed to post freely in a non-moderated, PUBLIC FORUM is indeed abridging the freedom of speech. Frankly, I fail to see how it can be interpreted in any other way. I hold it that a little rebellion, now and then, is a good thing...
Maybe we're all looking for too difficult a solution. What I was thinking is this:
the user is suspended an inch or two off the ground by an immobile waist or hip harness (the user doesn't change direction. the VR world rotates around him. like in doom, quake, etc) with positional sensors on shoulders, elbows, hands, head, knees for directional orientation of the various body parts. I mean the kind of sensors they use to input dance steps, martial arts motions.
the feet would be in a sort of stirrup which is connected to positional sensors AS WELL AS a force feedback system. this would be used to translate the user's natural walking motions into directional input, and the force feedback would simulate the additional force required to climb, etc.
Of course, this has the drawback of the vertical orientation problem (you would always know that your body is vertical, even if you "fall" in the sim, unless we find a way to monkey around with your inner-ear), but as far as arbitrary movement in a 2d-with-incline world or climbing rocks and ladders, it should solve the problem nicely. or at least adequately. There still would be no sense of inertia.
Nice setup for a Mortal Kombat type game, right? hehe:) Or add a gun and you have doom.
What do you guys think? I guess I'll have to break the news that I've got no mind to lose... I guess I'm gonna have to tell 'em That I've got no cerebellum
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well, if it looks like Prior Restraint of Free Speech, and it walks like Prior Restraint of Free Speech, and it quacks like Prior Restraint of Free Speech, then it must be a duck.
or something.
I always thought that was sort of outlawed by that pesky little thing called...um, what was it?
Oh yeah.I remember. the First Amendment to the Constitution. I hold it that a little rebellion, now and then, is a good thing...
It seems like it would be very difficult for a film to dramatize an industry/activity/whatever like ours without embellishing or blatantly making it up. For one thing, very few people understand what we do...as several posters have mentioned before, there's nothing in hacking that is exciting to the public at large...people won't pay $8 to watch 90 minutes of a teenager staring at a computer screen and pounding on a keyboard. Face it...hacking isn't very dramatic unless you understand the details, and even if you do, it can sometimes be very boring (the reason why we keep Jolt and Mountain Dew in business? hmmm...).
People want to be 1) entertained and 2) scared by hacker movies. as for #1, nothing in hollywood is portrayed accurately. For example, all the big-flashy-loud-orange-fireball explosions you see are specially designed to make lots of light and sound and smoke. The blast that really clears a building is over very quickly and not very entertaining on camera. The sound of real gunfire sounds dumb in a movie...kind of like capguns. That's why SFX and Foley artists have jobs.
On point #2, scared, we can blame the mainstream media for pushing us as monsters and vandals, and for portraying web-vandals and script-kiddies as hackers. They're getting better though. The hacker isn't always the bad guy anymore.
Real police work isn't like in the movies, real hacking isn't like in the movies. Couple that with the fact that movie audiences would be bored and lost if faced with the realities of hacking, and you have a genuine need for the movies to fake it, or else quit making movies about it.
Oh, one other thing...movies I recommend that show hackers and hacking in a good light: Tom Clancy's Netforce (I saw that yesterday. very cool. it's unrealistic, but if you can buy the fact that it's set several years in the future, you'll be fine) Real Genius (most people don't recognize is as a hacker movie, but watch it. it's one of the best) The Matrix (the best. if it was real, it would explain why hackers get longer prison sentences than murderers and rapists) I hold it that a little rebellion, now and then, is a good thing...
Sad how? I'm sure everybody worked really hard on their algo's, and I'm sure every one of them was really good and all, but come on. Somebody has to win. you can't let everybody win and have 15 standards....then all you have is no standard. I hold it that a little rebellion, now and then, is a good thing...
Sorry, Louima was the gentleman who was arrested by NYC cops who then unceremoniously rammed a broom handle up his...um...nether regions. Another fine example of how to "Protect and Serve".
The guy I wrote about before is Amadou Diallo.
Sheesh. There are so many textbook examples of F#@%ed up government actions, it's hard to keep them straight. I hold it that a little rebellion, now and then, is a good thing...
Let's not forget about Abner Louima...another "accidental police shooting" (ex'-uh-KYU-shun) in NYC recently. Four NYC cops burst through a man's door and fired 41 shots, hitting him 29 times (lousy hit-miss ratio, by the way) and killing him. The guy was an immigrant, unarmed, not charged with or suspected of a crime. WTF??
And people cry that we're paranoid. I hold it that a little rebellion, now and then, is a good thing...
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Forget the porn industry, can you imagine what will happen when the ADVERTISING establishment gets a hold of this? F that! I spend enough time fighting off targeted advertisements when I'm AWAKE...no way in hell am I going to do it while I'm sleeping, too.
But I think that in places where survival and hunger are major concerns, people just don't have the time or energy to worry about internet access. Ask a homeless man on the streets of NYC what he thinks about the internet and see what he says. I'm pretty sure he won't give a crap because he's more concerned about where he'll sleep and whether he'll eat.
And I'd imagine third world citizens have similar worries that far overshadow their opinions on net access and its implications on commerce.
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So you say life sucks? Well, life is what you make of it.
so if your life sucks, YOU suck.
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I have to admit that I'm guilty as well...the words "domain squatting" get my ire up just like anybody else, but on further investigation I think now that the OpenBSD people are acting really childish. Apparently, (unless Mr. De Joode is a complete liar) he has made several quite reasonable attempts at compromise, which included GIVING THE DOMAIN AWAY. All of which were rejected. This looks to be another case of the bigger organization bullying a smaller one.
Why should anybody have a default claim on a name they haven't registered? Sorry, boys, it doesn't work that way. I cheer the OpenBSD people and the fine work they've done, but come on. That doesn't make them right. He paid for the domain, he has made (to my relatively uninformed knowledge) fair attempts to resolve the controversy, and is the only one of the two who seems to be acting in good faith instead of name-calling and tossing insults and misinformation.
It's unfortunate that just because they posted an "advisory" on /. everybody freaks out and gets hostile. Maybe that's WHY the advisory was sent here. They know the audience too well.
Can't we all just...get along?
The_Morlock
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So you say life sucks? Well, life is what you make of it.
so if your life sucks, YOU suck.
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You're correct. The case that jumps to my mind is Bernstein v. US DOJ. A college professor was prohibited from posting to the WWW the source code to programs in his class.
US Judge Marilyn Patel ruled that source code is speech, and that not allowing it to be posted to the internet is unconstitutional prior restraint of speech.
The_Morlock
Big difference.
Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press...
Issuing a court order stating that he is not allowed to post freely in a non-moderated, PUBLIC FORUM is indeed abridging the freedom of speech. Frankly, I fail to see how it can be interpreted in any other way.
I hold it that a little rebellion, now and then, is a good thing...
Maybe we're all looking for too difficult a solution. What I was thinking is this:
:) Or add a gun and you have doom.
the user is suspended an inch or two off the ground by an immobile waist or hip harness (the user doesn't change direction. the VR world rotates around him. like in doom, quake, etc) with positional sensors on shoulders, elbows, hands, head, knees for directional orientation of the various body parts. I mean the kind of sensors they use to input dance steps, martial arts motions.
the feet would be in a sort of stirrup which is connected to positional sensors AS WELL AS a force feedback system. this would be used to translate the user's natural walking motions into directional input, and the force feedback would simulate the additional force required to climb, etc.
Of course, this has the drawback of the vertical orientation problem (you would always know that your body is vertical, even if you "fall" in the sim, unless we find a way to monkey around with your inner-ear), but as far as arbitrary movement in a 2d-with-incline world or climbing rocks and ladders, it should solve the problem nicely. or at least adequately. There still would be no sense of inertia.
Nice setup for a Mortal Kombat type game, right? hehe
What do you guys think?
I guess I'll have to break the news
that I've got no mind to lose...
I guess I'm gonna have to tell 'em
That I've got no cerebellum
or something.
I always thought that was sort of outlawed by that pesky little thing called...um, what was it?
Oh yeah.I remember. the First Amendment to the Constitution.
I hold it that a little rebellion, now and then, is a good thing...
It seems like it would be very difficult for a film to dramatize an industry/activity/whatever like ours without embellishing or blatantly making it up. For one thing, very few people understand what we do...as several posters have mentioned before, there's nothing in hacking that is exciting to the public at large...people won't pay $8 to watch 90 minutes of a teenager staring at a computer screen and pounding on a keyboard. Face it...hacking isn't very dramatic unless you understand the details, and even if you do, it can sometimes be very boring (the reason why we keep Jolt and Mountain Dew in business? hmmm...).
People want to be 1) entertained and 2) scared by hacker movies. as for #1, nothing in hollywood is portrayed accurately. For example, all the big-flashy-loud-orange-fireball explosions you see are specially designed to make lots of light and sound and smoke. The blast that really clears a building is over very quickly and not very entertaining on camera. The sound of real gunfire sounds dumb in a movie...kind of like capguns. That's why SFX and Foley artists have jobs.
On point #2, scared, we can blame the mainstream media for pushing us as monsters and vandals, and for portraying web-vandals and script-kiddies as hackers. They're getting better though. The hacker isn't always the bad guy anymore.
Real police work isn't like in the movies, real hacking isn't like in the movies. Couple that with the fact that movie audiences would be bored and lost if faced with the realities of hacking, and you have a genuine need for the movies to fake it, or else quit making movies about it.
Oh, one other thing...movies I recommend that show hackers and hacking in a good light:
Tom Clancy's Netforce (I saw that yesterday. very cool. it's unrealistic, but if you can buy the fact that it's set several years in the future, you'll be fine)
Real Genius (most people don't recognize is as a hacker movie, but watch it. it's one of the best)
The Matrix (the best. if it was real, it would explain why hackers get longer prison sentences than murderers and rapists)
I hold it that a little rebellion, now and then, is a good thing...
Sad how? I'm sure everybody worked really hard on their algo's, and I'm sure every one of them was really good and all, but come on. Somebody has to win. you can't let everybody win and have 15 standards....then all you have is no standard.
I hold it that a little rebellion, now and then, is a good thing...
The guy I wrote about before is Amadou Diallo.
Sheesh. There are so many textbook examples of F#@%ed up government actions, it's hard to keep them straight.
I hold it that a little rebellion, now and then, is a good thing...
And people cry that we're paranoid.
I hold it that a little rebellion, now and then, is a good thing...