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Chudmorph writes "Philips is developing some odd thing they call Nebula. In a nutshell, it's "an interactive projection system designed to enrich the experience of going to bed, sleeping and waking up." "The system consists of a ceiling projector linked via the Internet to a database of content. The content consists of just about anything ranging from an alarm clock, to clouds, and even poetry." This thing even responds to body movements! " Here's a review, but I gotta believe that this is a joke.

176 comments

  1. Who needs Nintendo? by frostgiant · · Score: 1

    Hey... If this is real, think how cool this could be. You could actually feel like your living out your dreams. This would replace the need for videogames!

    1. Re:Who needs Nintendo? by victwenty · · Score: 1

      it would even replace the need for being awake!

    2. Re:Who needs Nintendo? by imadoofus · · Score: 1

      Brainstation!!!

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    3. Re:Who needs Nintendo? by Brian+Kendig · · Score: 1

      Yeah, they could market it as a video game and call it 'Dreamcast'!

      Oh wait.

  2. Joke? by Karma+50 · · Score: 1

    This article was first published on newVALUEnews April 2001

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    1. Re:Joke? by aka-ed · · Score: 2, Informative

      No, not a joke. A later Philips Design press release indicates there was a public demo:

      Philips Design's visionary projects on show at the Künstlerhaus in Vienna from July 11 to September 9

      July 12th 2001 -- Following the success of the public presentation of Smart Connections (Milan, Magna Pars, April 4-6), the Kunstlerhaus in Vienna has decided to include some of the Philips Design visionary concepts in its prestigious exhibition 'Global Tools', which opened its doors on July 11.

      NEBULA: consisting of a ceiling projector linked via the Internet to a database of content, Nebula is an interactive projection system, designed to enrich the personal experiences around the ritual of going to bed, sleeping and waking up. It aims at creating an atmosphere that encourages and enhances rest, reflection, conversation, intimacy, imagination and play. The user can select the content (images and sounds) to be projected on to the ceiling by placing a pebble in the bed side pocket. The way the projected images change depends on the random movements that the people in the bed will make. A pebble 'clouds' will allow relaxation, a pebble 'games' will allow the users to play a game (accessible only by two people together) by using the duvet as a joystick. The system is also connected to an alarm clock, which projects two dots onto opposite sides of the ceiling. During the night, the distance between the dots diminishes, making it possible to gauge the remaining sleeping time from the distance left between the two. When the dots collide, sound and images are combined to create the waking experience. Users can also create a note or a sketch on a piece of paper and place it underneath the alarm clock. When it goes off, a snapshot of the note is projected.

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    2. Re:Joke? by aka-ed · · Score: 1

      Sorry, forgot the link.

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  3. So... by Beowulf_Boy · · Score: 1

    Do you just have to wave a hand in its general direction to change the channel?

    1. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds more like a 'Clapper' type thing... clap once for channel up, twice, for channel down.

      Then again, it might take a few claps to do what you wanted.

  4. You're getting sleepier, and sleepier... by imrdkl · · Score: 2, Funny

    Now... tell me your password.

    1. Re:You're getting sleepier, and sleepier... by SEWilco · · Score: 1

      ...you think MSN should be your ISP...

    2. Re:You're getting sleepier, and sleepier... by redgekko · · Score: 2, Informative
      Now... tell me your password.

      ... And check out these amazing introductory offers, available for a limited time only through [jingle] SleepNET! *buy*... *spend*... *shop*...

      Personally, I think i'll pass and opt for a regular projection system, pc, and virtual i/o device like one of these or these . I wonder if they're waterproof...

      BTW: Information on the phillips website and a picture of the system can be found here: http://www.news.philips.com/mondial/archive/2001/m ay/artikel4_2.html

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  5. jesus christ by lowtekneq · · Score: 2, Funny

    give one of these to a geek and they'll have to change their sticky sheets every night :P

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    1. Re:jesus christ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      note to self: buy extra sheets

  6. Don't trust it! by Bourbon+Man · · Score: 2, Funny

    Cripes, can you imagine if someone hacked into the database and inserted subliminals? they could have you buying things you'd never heard of, killing people, etc.

    1. Re:Don't trust it! by vena · · Score: 1

      funny, but completely irrelevant. subliminal messages and hypnotism cannot make anyone do something they wouldn't otherwise do. anything that claims the contrary is a parlor trick.

    2. Re:Don't trust it! by athlon02 · · Score: 1

      see I had an idea like this machine many many months back, but I figured the same thing... how in the world do you secure it for people's safety!!

    3. Re:Don't trust it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Richard Nixion Lives on !

  7. This already exists! by vulg4r_m0nk · · Score: 2, Funny

    They're called mirrors.

  8. Sticky by Karma+50 · · Score: 0


    I look at pictures off the internet just before getting into bed. It helps me sleep ... etc.

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  9. So, it's pr0n? by john@iastate.edu · · Score: 5, Funny
    The system Nebula consists of a ceiling projector linked via the Internet to a database of content. Once users have selected the content for projection, they can manipulate it simply by adjusting their sleeping positions and interacting with their partner while in bed.

    Interact, indeed!

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    1. Re:So, it's pr0n? by nEoN+nOoDlE · · Score: 1

      no, it just senses people having sex and then puts on some porn music.

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    2. Re:So, it's pr0n? by Verne · · Score: 1

      rock on...

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    3. Re:So, it's pr0n? by aufbau · · Score: 3, Funny

      Be careful. I tried using one of these for porn, and when I woke up, my bed was filled with blinking pop-up ads. It took me half an hour to close them all, and as a result, I was late to my 8AM class. When I got back from class, the bed had started to fill up again, because I had missed a small one that had somehow managed to get inside my pillowcase.

      I tried installing Mozilla so I could disable pop-up ads, but it didn't have enough RAM to run Mozilla. So I returned the Nebula and went back to using Mozilla on my computer (with the Pornzilla modifications, of course).

  10. I dunno... by interiot · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Most of my life is already commercialized, I don't know if I want to concede my bedtime too... (you just know they're going to pull an OnStar)

  11. dream state by liquide · · Score: 2, Funny

    I can't say that I think projecting anything on the wall would impress me during a dream. I'd much rather have my movements analyzed so I can figure out why I wake up in the morning wearing pants when I go to sleep in just my boxers...

    1. Re:dream state by john@iastate.edu · · Score: 2
      ...why I wake up in the morning wearing pants when I go to sleep in just my boxers...

      Romantically speaking, I think it's probably not a good sign if your date is putting clothes on you.

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  12. porn by Casca · · Score: 1

    Holy porn batman! Can you imagine what will happen when the adult entertainment industry gets its mits on one of these?

    It does sound pretty cool actually. I could see waking up with the weather, my days schedule, slashdot headlines, and maybe the latest pics of Natalie Portman on my ceiling.

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    1. Re:porn by The_Morlock · · Score: 1

      Forget the porn industry, can you imagine what will happen when the ADVERTISING establishment gets a hold of this? F that! I spend enough time fighting off targeted advertisements when I'm AWAKE...no way in hell am I going to do it while I'm sleeping, too.

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  13. I won't even say it by Faust7 · · Score: 1

    This thing is just begging to be made fun of with respect to sexual activities. Therefore I will refrain.

    an interactive projection system designed to enrich the experience of going to bed,

    -slap-

    This thing even responds to body movements!

    -SLAP-

    Uh, now refraining...

  14. No escape. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    Not that I'd do it or anything, never - but the possibilities of full scale goatse'ing with this device must be considered.

  15. It responds to movement? by rbp · · Score: 2, Funny

    Does that mean that if I move during my sleep, than I'm considered a "zapper"?

    Great! Now I can not only not watch any of the channels on cable, I can also not dream of anything for more thatn two seconds!

    And I thought I could sleep my problems off...

  16. April! by ZarfMouse · · Score: 2, Funny

    Two people have pointed this out and still no one seems to get it. April. This article was published in April. "Maybe its a joke."

    1. Re:April! by eightball · · Score: 1

      This article was first published in newVALUEnews nr 8, April 2001.

  17. Hypnagogic dreaming by blakestah · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It has been known for some time that the earliest stages of dreaming can be strongly influenced by sensory input just before going to sleep. Whereas you cannot predict exactly what will be in the dream, it is fairly certain some of it will relate to what was happening just before you fall asleep. This is not as true of dreams later in the evening.

    There is a nice trio of reviews of theories of sleep and dreaming in the latest issue of Science.

    1. Re:Hypnagogic dreaming by Skinny+Rav · · Score: 1

      It has been known for some time that the earliest stages of dreaming can be strongly influenced by sensory input just before going to sleep. Whereas you cannot predict exactly what will be in the dream, it is fairly certain some of it will relate to what was happening just before you fall asleep. This is not as true of dreams later in the evening.

      Yes, true, but it's true as well that we usually remember only thing we dream of just before waking up. So, we would not remember dreams influenced by this device anyway - unless we set up some alarm waking us up each time we leave REM phase.

      That would be tiring...

      Raf

  18. So what would happen by Cheetah86 · · Score: 1

    What would happen if you somehow got stuck in a pr0n javascript loop? Would you doze off or would you just sorta give a 3 finger salute with your hands?

  19. kamasutra director by clarkie.mg · · Score: 1

    From the text :
    [...]
    Content is selected by placing a smart 'pebble' into the bedside pocket. Each pebble corresponds to a different topic or theme. For example, a 'cloud' pebble produces content related to clouds
    [...]
    Pebbles can also contain games, such as ping-pong, which will only be revealed when a particular combination of sleeping positions has been assumed. Once the positions have been discovered and the game is revealed, the couple can activate the game at any time
    [...]

    Need I say more about other games than ping pong ? Your personal kamasuta director is now alive !

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    1. Re:kamasutra director by vrmlknight · · Score: 1

      but how does one play pong while sleeping?

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  20. Cool by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 1

    I'll make a sequence that includes smbliminal images designed to induce everyone to use vi and shun emacs. ;-)

  21. I know I'm an idiot... by lavaforge · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But how does this work if my eyes are closed?

    1. Re:I know I'm an idiot... by chocolatetrumpet · · Score: 1

      you can sleep with your eyes open

      most people don't, but you can

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    2. Re:I know I'm an idiot... by unformed · · Score: 2

      you can see through your eyelids. For example, do this: Turn off all the lights so it's pitch black, and close your eyes. Wait a while so you get adjusted to it, and then turn the lights on. You'll realize that the lights are on by seeing the blackness brighten a little. Sure, you can't consciously see around you, but subconsciously you can; and that's the part that affects your dreams.

      I also wouldn't be surprised if, while in REM, you (unknowingly) opened your eyes to be able to clearly see the picture. (still subconsciously, because now you're asleep.)

    3. Re:I know I'm an idiot... by rkent · · Score: 1

      I also wouldn't be surprised if, while in REM, you (unknowingly) opened your eyes to be able to clearly see the picture. (still subconsciously, because now you're asleep.)

      I'm pretty convinced I already do this. I've had lots of occasions where I had something really important to get up for, the kind of thing where you set 2 alarms just in case, and I've woken up about 5 minutes before either of them went off.

      I figure I either open my eyes subconciously and check in the middle of the night, or I have a remarkable internal clock :) If it's the latter, I wish I could make use of it when I was awake, I'd never need a watch again!

    4. Re:I know I'm an idiot... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      from what i have read- the reason why you awaken just before your clock goes off is:

      sometimes your alarm makes a quiet click about a min. before it begins to buzz (or whatever it does) since your body is usually used to awakening around that time (the time your alarm is set for) you are already begining to wake up, so the quit click awakens you.

    5. Re:I know I'm an idiot... by DCheesi · · Score: 1

      Nah, I've done this even when I didn't have an alarm clock (or I forgot to set it). The bad thing was that for about a year during college, I would consistently wake up about an hour before I was supposed to. It got to the point where I'd deliberately try to convince myself that my appointments were an hour later the next morning, so I wouldn't lose that extra hour of sleep!

  22. Who needs Mozart? by mrjohnson · · Score: 1

    How is this difference from the pseudo-psychology that parents have been practicing for years?

    Parents have been told that putting Mozart close to this stomachs during pregnancy will help them rear a child more attuned to music. I'll be that's all this new technology will be used for -- call me a skeptic.

    - Mike Johnson
    "Who can't find a link to start a new thread."

    1. Re:Who needs Mozart? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you see at the top just below the article there's a button saying [reply]?

      You could try clicking on that. It's not impossible that this would allow you to reply directly to the article, thus producing in effect a new conversational thread...

  23. Net Connected Dreaming of AI Minds by Mentifex · · Score: 1

    Dreaming is possible even in artificially intelligent robots and cyborgs. The system described in the SourceForge article may permit individual humans to have separate, individual dreams, but multiple AI Minds might easily merge their mutual memory spaces and experience shared interactive dreams.

    One mode of existence for Artificial Minds is To live in the waking state only for the sake of the dream state .

    These artificial minds capable of dreaming are not merely a pipe dream, but are already underway in such projects as Mind.VB (3.Apr.2000) and, more recently, Mind.JAVA (June 2001).

    1. Re:Net Connected Dreaming of AI Minds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is pure garbage, not only have you wasted my time, but your also going to waste the time of any other /.er who visits your made for visual (with no content or programming) project. Get a grip. Do something better with your life than make pipe dreams. :)

      Mod down parent, as content has been checked and found not to live up to claims. Project is a classic example of vapor.

    2. Re:Net Connected Dreaming of AI Minds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL . 90% of all projects on sourceforge is like that. Some kid claiming to cure the world's evils, the projects are usually never updated, includes just one file in the CVS, usually is written in Javascript or something funky, like ENGLISH .. lol

      Sourceforge is just so overrated anyway.

    3. Re:Net Connected Dreaming of AI Minds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All his site has is a few buzzwords from some logic/philosophy manual. Weak to say the least. Lets see how moderators react to this (we got a chance to see if they moderate without looking at the claims first).

    4. Re:Net Connected Dreaming of AI Minds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it's some sort of bizarre joke, or that the guy is schizoid - notice how he never responds to follow-up messages?

  24. Just in.... by Sanglant · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Thankfully several well known companies have
    stepped to the plate and will be offering anti-virus
    software for the device. Despite early reports there
    is no evidence to support any correlation between
    usage of the device and spontaneous proclamations
    of "A compliant citizen is a happy citizen! Privacy
    is for Bad People!"

    -Franklin Beach Investigator, Nov. 25, 2001

    1. Re:Just in.... by Sanglant · · Score: 2, Informative

      As for it being an April Fool's Joke...

      newVALUEnews #8 (PDF)

      ...pretty pictures and all.

    2. Re:Just in.... by vrmlknight · · Score: 1

      humm looks like vapor ware that will never come around and if it does it will be incredibly expensive

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    3. Re:Just in.... by aka-ed · · Score: 1

      It's a research project. Never intended to come out. That is not the same as "vaporware," which requires a real product announcement.

      The idea is, if the research project is even a partial success, its best ideas are then incorporated into real-world projects.

      This is /. -- not "Consumer Reports."

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  25. Dream Hackers by Alien54 · · Score: 5, Funny
    Some research has indicated that the brain is somewhat sensitive to magnetic fileds, and that certain unusual magnetic fields can cause wierd dreams.

    So if you had something that induced odd magnetic patterns, like a sleeping pad under the sheets, you could get weird effects.

    Taking it to the next step and hooking it up to internet control would perhaps not be wise.

    I keep imagining the end results of Dream Hackers reprogramming your dreams for their pleasure.

    Someting that would only happen in a science fiction story, of course.

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    1. Re:Dream Hackers by unacoder · · Score: 1

      Just think... we can hack into that realy hot chick's mind who blew us off earlier that day... "You will want me..." he he he

      man... evil...

    2. Re:Dream Hackers by jbuhler · · Score: 2

      > I keep imagining the end results of Dream Hackers reprogramming your dreams for their pleasure.

      John Brunner, please call your office... ever read the short story "Speech is Silver"?

    3. Re:Dream Hackers by TeknoHog · · Score: 2
      I keep imagining the end results of Dream Hackers reprogramming your dreams for their pleasure.

      Someting that would only happen in a science fiction story, of course.

      Isn't the whole world of ours, a science fiction story written by someone 'outside'? That makes it all plausible...

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    4. Re:Dream Hackers by Fesh · · Score: 2

      Forget about "dream hackers"... Be worried about whether or not that squirrel soul is still floating around the 'net... Talk about a nasty case of posession.

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      --Fesh
      Kill -9 'em all, let root@localhost sort 'em out.
  26. Not Good by Motheius · · Score: 1

    Soon we will get commercials pumped into our dreams

  27. And I thought the Power Glove was interesting by AndroidCat · · Score: 1

    Now I can use my bed as an input device. I suppose someone could write a BedOS, but it would have to use a different metaphor than desktop/windows.

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  28. Popular In Japan by r.suzuka · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Hello. These devices, or similar devices, are actually quite popular in Japan. It is a headset that one will wear while one is preparing to go to sleep. The device actually monitors the on set of Rapid Eye Movement sleep and when such sleep is detected, a bright red light is shined into the wearers eyes.

    The idea is that when the wearer detects this red light he will be able to recognize it as a cue that he is dreaming. Henceforth he is able to imagine whatever he would like in the dreams. There is a brief English phrase for such a state of dreaming, but I cannot recall it at the present.

    I will be happy to find more information on these devices if it would be interesting to anyone else. Thank you.

    R. Suzuka

    1. Re:Popular In Japan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That term would be "Lucid Dreaming".
      A state of dreaming where You are aware of the fact that You are dreaming, and can affect the dream environment.

      When perfected, You can literally control Your dreams.

    2. Re:Popular In Japan by nyxxie · · Score: 1

      It`s called "lucid dreaming" - the state, when you`re aware, it`s only dream.

      LUCIDITY INSTITUTE

    3. Re:Popular In Japan by nido · · Score: 2, Informative

      The device you speak of is called 'NovaDreamer' (or 'Super NovaDreamer' for the version w/ the computer interface), and it's availible from the Lucidity Institute here. I have one, it's kinda neat, but hasn't worked for me quite yet.

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    4. Re:Popular In Japan by Sarin · · Score: 1

      I have one too!

      Excellent stuff. It actually worked for me, but not with the cue light. I used another method which was much easier for me. Think about things you often dream about, make a list, perhaps you dream about your computer a lot. Now whenever you go to your computer or sit behind it, ask yourself: am I dreaming? When you dream electronics are messed up e.g. when you look at your watch look at something else and look back the time is totally different. So check out if your computer behaves normal, I know it sounds stupid but you really must check it. After a while you have made a habit of this, that's good. Next time you dream about your computer (or something else) you will ask yourself, am I dreaming and after checking you notice that you are! So that's when the fun begins. You must try to stay focussed otherwise you will lose controll again and dream on again.

    5. Re:Popular In Japan by nido · · Score: 3, Interesting

      ah, been there, tried that.. My problem is kinda weird, in that I literally don't dream very vividly visually. I'll wake up and remember a story line, but there are few visual impressions to go along with that storyline. That being said, I once saw a sort of massage therapist (actually a "trigger point therapist") thrice last spring, and for a week and a half afterwards I had the most incredibly visually intense dreams in my life. And then I started to write them down (like you're supposed to), and the visual aspect of the dreams cut out. Just like that. At the time I wasn't sure what to attribute the dreams to (I'd gone home for spring break, had started taking a magnesium supplement, had steak & the like for the first time in months, and saw the trigger point lady), but I've recently been told that it was, in all likelyhood, the bodywork.. So tomorrow I'm going to call people who do Craniosacral therapy. And hopefully the dreams will return.

      I've tried it all - vitamins, herbs, dream journels, reality checks, alone and in combinations, nothing else has brought the sort of intense dreaming I now know is possible. Feel free to email if anyone would like to talk about the subject..

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  29. So by beefstu01 · · Score: 1

    Studies have shown that light patterns can affect your sleep... So, if I go to sleep in class, I'll have a different "experience" than if I go to sleep in my bed. Right...

    Now, I don't know about you, but I see no difference when I sleep in total darkness or with laser lights all around me (I've tried this before), so how the heck will this affect my lifestyle other than me having bad dreams of the damn system crashing. Who knows?

    This sounds really interesting, and I'd like to see how this thing actually works. But alas! Something like this was already invented! It's name- marijuana. It sounds like you make someone trippy in their sleep w/o narcotics w/ this machine. Just an observation

  30. What if it... by rockwood · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Everyone knows that a subliminal state of mind is very powerful and has been thoeretically tested and proven based on case study. A major concern of something I am unaware of is: How immediate are the effects of subliminal suggestions?

    IE: What would happen if the 'net connection were to dropped during a suggestive state.. would we become vegatables?
    What if the screen skipped.. would we wake up with a stutter? Or what if the content was hacked and tomorrow we all woke up and found ourselves transferring our money to some off-shore account and killing or neighbors?

    I know this sounds far fetched... But in reality, if the content was hacked and a idea or suggestion was implanted into the imagery.. how long (if ever) would it take to be discovered? And when it was.. would it be to late? Who would be responsible?

    Hell, maybe the message can reprogram your mind to never see the message in the first place.

    All your bases belong to us!

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  31. Camera? by damiam · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Presumably if this thing can sense your movements, it's got a camera of some kind. Do you really want a net-connected camera pointing at your bed?

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    1. Re:Camera? by mshiltonj · · Score: 0

      Presumably if this thing can sense your movements, it's got a camera of some kind. Do you really want a net-connected camera pointing at your bed?

      That depends. What's my percentage?

    2. Re:Camera? by jonte · · Score: 1
      My guess is they use a net/"electronic sheet", under the normal sheets, which is preassure sensitive and not a camera.
      Neither does Philips say there is an uplink from the device. They just say it is possible to download stuff.

      But if there was an uplink, would it be possible to analyze peoples "sleeping" habits? When do married couples start sleeping on different sides of the bed? How much time is spent sleeping on top of each other?

  32. Found a Picture by InnovativeCX · · Score: 1

    Forgive me for not reading through every post if I missed this, but here's a picture of it...I've gotta get me one of these! http://www.news.philips.com/mondial/archive/2001/m ay/artikel4_2.html

    1. Re:Found a Picture by rockwood · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not reading every post isn't THAT bad.
      But posting a correctly formed URL so it works is more important.

      The correct link is HERE

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    2. Re:Found a Picture by vrmlknight · · Score: 1

      slashdot adds spaces to long strings so they wrap properly not his fault dude

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  33. count the sheep by Zurgutt · · Score: 1

    Way to count the sheep without closing your eyes!

    You can control the size cand speed of sheep with movements of one hand, set the height of fence with other.. endless fun for insomniacs :)

    1. Re:count the sheep by Iamthefallen · · Score: 1

      Groovy:
      Sheepcounting

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  34. which reminds me.... by pinkelefant · · Score: 0

    I am still searching for a "Star Projector ".

    theres this thing I had seen long time ago in a RS catlog...Its a globe or something which projects stars on the ceilings .
    This ,accompanied by some relaxing music should be enough to put someone to sleep .

    anybody know where i can find one ?

    The one on amazon sucks..its a bloody toy and just projects constellations ...

    p

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    1. Re:which reminds me.... by vrmlknight · · Score: 1

      I remember in high school we had a star lab it was an inflatable dome that you crawl in it could fit around 15 people and it projected the start up on the dome in the exact places they would in if you were star gazing as i recall we teamed up w. 3 or 4 other schools to buy it so it was a bit expensive

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  35. Dream inducer isn't the right term by LazyDawg · · Score: 2

    It would be much cooler to take other peoples' brain activity when dreaming, amplify it, and reproduce it in other people by affixing electrodes to their skulls.

    Sure, you wouldn't have the same dreams, but you'd be damn sure having a sex dream if you ordered a sex dream pattern, or a nightmare if you ordered a nightmare pattern. That'd be pretty nifty, and it seems pretty plausible given modern technology.

    Now, if they could tap into our visual centres a bit easier, we'd be able to get product placement, or even our favorite shows in our sleep. Television takes up four hours from our day, so putting TV into the 8 hours when we're drooling vegetables already might be a better alternative, for advertisers and TV stations alike.

    In fact, when we're asleep odds are we won't be flipping channels, and ratings will be much easier to grab.

    --
    "Look at me, I invented the stove!" -- Ben Franklin
    1. Re:Dream inducer isn't the right term by mshiltonj · · Score: 0

      It would be much cooler to take other peoples' brain activity when dreaming, amplify it, and reproduce it in other people by affixing electrodes to their skulls.

      See Brainstorm and Strange Days.

  36. Call me old fashioned... by ho11yw00d · · Score: 1

    What ever happened to the idea that sleep was for rest. Really, what is wrong with a nice dark quiet room and comfortable pillows. I think that we have this desire to improve upon everything with connectivity and content. You have to remember that in the good _very_ old days, sleeping on a straw mattress thrown over a netting of rope was an improvement over the cold damp ground. Now we sell "sleep systems". Don't get me wrong, I _CAN_ see the value of a little bedroom entertainment to spice up the relations, but when I'm done, I want to shut it off and sleep in quiet, dark silence.

    --
    That's not my hand.
  37. Joke? by fm6 · · Score: 2
    I gotta believe that this is a joke.
    You've obviously never seen any of those weird, incomprehensible Philips commercials!
  38. It could teach good grammar! by simetra · · Score: 1

    You could learn the difference between your and you're.
    For example, on your ceiling, you could see sentences like...
    Your dog is cute. You're not a cop, are you?

    --

    "Would it kill you to put down the toilet seat?" -- Maya Angelou
  39. Picture by CyberQuog · · Score: 1

    A picture can be found here. Pass the bong...

    --
    - *Normality Is The Root of All Evil*
  40. Peoples minds dont work like that by HanzoSan · · Score: 2



    You can suggest something
    but you cannot "Make" people do something they wouldnt normally do to begin with.

    Someone who can be suggested into killing someone, was capable of it in the first place or else it wouldnt work.

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    1. Re:Peoples minds dont work like that by Bourbon+Man · · Score: 1

      I'd be willing to bet there's a lot of us out there capable of killing, but choose not to. Perhaps all we need is a whisper in the dark?

    2. Re:Peoples minds dont work like that by Ed+Avis · · Score: 2

      Maybe you can't make people do stuff by changing their dreams, but you can certainly influence important decisions. For example:

      "Recent reports suggested that Mullah Omar, facing almost certain defeat, had agreed to surrender Kandahar. But yesterday Ahmad Karzai, whose brother Hamid has been negotiating with the Taliban for the surrender of the city, said Mullah Omar had changed his mind because he had had a prophetic dream in which he remained in power. 'I have had a dream in which I am in charge for as long as I live,' Mr Karzai quoted Mullah Omar as saying."

      I sense some serious black-helicopter possibilities here...

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      -- Ed Avis ed@membled.com
    3. Re:Peoples minds dont work like that by Bob+Uhl · · Score: 2
      I have had a dream in which I am in charge for as long as I live.

      That may very well be true. Especially considering that he's not much longer to live. After all, the man is facing the combined wrath of both his brother Afghans and the most powerful nation on earth...

  41. Anyone see that futureama by Mr.roboto · · Score: 1

    where they projected the advertisments into people's dreams? Mabye tin foil hat crazies aren't so crazy afterall =)

    --
    Don't call my crazy, that's what they called me back in the home!
  42. Enrich going to bed? by Knobby · · Score: 2

    "an interactive projection system designed to enrich the experience of going to bed,..."

    Now maybe I'm just old fashion, but the way I see it, we already have something that enriches the experience of going to bed. They're called girls! Going to bed is much nicer when you've got a soft skinned hard body to curl up next to..

    1. Re:Enrich going to bed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you're suggesting Philips should just stop with this hightech digital nonsense and start shipping "Philips Girls"[tm]? If they use a subscription based licensing style, which requires product activation every time you change sleeping positions, they might just have a recipe for printing money...

    2. Re:Enrich going to bed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree with the soft skin, but "hard body" ?

      Sounds like a velvet-covered rock would do it for you.

  43. With a database on the internet... by thebabelfish · · Score: 1

    ...I can't wait to see what happens when someone cracks it! Hundreds of people calling Philips...

    --
    "I don't trust goats," --To Catch a Spy
  44. I've seen this before. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And my advice is: make sure you don't wake up as Soylent Green!

  45. Have you ever heard of lucid dreaming? by HanzoSan · · Score: 2



    Its easy for anyone to learn to control their dreams and dream about whatever they want really. I dream about what I want usually, when i dont, thats when its a nightmare.

    The reason most people cant dream about what they want is because they dont know they are dreaming.

    This thing wont be any good unless people believe its part of the dream, perhaps if it were in goggles it would work but if its on the wall i dont really know.

    I need some tests.

    I do think dreams can be influenced somewhat by the enviornment you sleep in but what i really want to see is a brain to computer interface, which can sense what a person is dreaming and based on this, send various images to the goggles to try to control it.

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    1. Re:Have you ever heard of lucid dreaming? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I do think dreams can be influenced somewhat by the enviornment you sleep in but [...]

      Uh, that would be a definite "yes". I once heard a very odd repeating noise that was attributed to a bitchy old dot-matrix printer (so sue me, I'm a geek even in dreams) that turned out to be a pneumatic construction tool in real life.

      Your ears definitely work when you're dreaming. The trick is having noises that don't startle you into waking up.

    2. Re:Have you ever heard of lucid dreaming? by Vess+V. · · Score: 1
      Actually, if you do some research around lucid dreaming sites, you'll find it's a general concensus that only about 20% of the population are natural lucid dreamers. The rest of us still have to learn the skill. While it's surely possible for most of us, I wouldn't quite call it "easy." I've done it just a couple of times.

      Some resources for learning how to lucid dream are here, , here, and anywhere you can find on google. There's plenty of info. Oh, and of course someone had to exploit it. ;)

      To put it in a nutshell, one of the most basic things you must do is to start a dream journal where you record your dreams in as much detail as you can remember and increase your "dream" awareness. Also, you need to make it a habit of performing reality checks, where you spend a minute or so several times a day sincerely trying to find out if you're dreaming or not, and hopefully this habit carries on into your dreams, you perform a reality check, and *boom* the results tell you you're dreaming, and you go lucid. Of course, there are a lot of intricacies to this and you should look at the actual web sites.

    3. Re:Have you ever heard of lucid dreaming? by funky+womble · · Score: 1
      The trick is having noises that don't startle you into waking up.

      Bees buzzing works. Most of the times I've had bees in my dreaming, I've woken up to find a bee in my room.

  46. Dream enhancer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Imagine a beowulf cluster of these!

  47. Ecstacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In all seriousness, this would be perfect for when your doing Ecstacy. I'm always looking for new toys and other things to create the right ambiance when I am tripping.

  48. Help Philips stole my Brain ! by SpaceKow · · Score: 1

    Sounds like Total Recall to me.

  49. the phrase by unformed · · Score: 5, Informative

    lucid dreaming.

    The trick is to realize you're dreaming without waking yourself up. It's a bit difficult in the beginning because you usually realize you're dreaming when something happens that can't happen in real life. The shock makes you wake up. If you can control the shock and stay asleep after realizing you're dreaming, you have full control over what's going on in the dream. I've successfully done it once (maybe more) and it is truly a cool experience.

    1. Re:the phrase by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, I did it as well and it was one of the most amazing things I ever experienced. Why create VR technology if you can have this for free?

    2. Re:the phrase by liquidsin · · Score: 1

      One of the best ways to induce lucid dreaming is to be more aware of your waking environment. Try this: as you drive / walk / take the bus, read every road sign you see. Don't just glance at it, but actually read it. Then look away, look back, and read it again (oh yeah, and stay on the road...) The idea is that in your dreams you can't read. You may think you can, but you can't. If you make this read / re-read a habit in your daily life, you will begin to do it in dreams. And when you re-read something in your dreams and it's not the same as it was the first time, your brain will clue in that you're dreaming. It takes a few weeks of this routine to get into it, but be patient - it works for most people.

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      do not read this line twice.
    3. Re:the phrase by mystik · · Score: 1

      For those people who have dreams within dreams ....

      When are you sure you have control of the correct world?

      Perhaps this is how one can 'crack' the matrix ..... ;)

      --
      Why aren't you encrypting your e-mail?
    4. Re:the phrase by funky+womble · · Score: 1

      never seems to work for me, I often read the same text again. I usually find discrepancies between clock time and daylight easier to pick up on. Another good way is to record your dreams (a notebook will do fine unless you know of something more hi-tech ;) and pick up on common themes. Then, start looking for these themes through your waking life, and use them as a trigger to check for other things which might indicate you're dreaming.

    5. Re:the phrase by liquidsin · · Score: 1

      I'd heard that as well. I have a friend who keeps a notebook by his bed and records everything he can remember as soon as he wakes up, and says it works quite well. I could never get it to work for me, so I moved on to what I said earlier (road signs, et al) and found it worked great. Different tricks for different folks, I suppose...

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      do not read this line twice.
  50. QUAKE!!! by doofsmack · · Score: 1

    That would make for one good game of quake...

    1. Re:QUAKE!!! by Iamthefallen · · Score: 1
      uh-huh, I can imagine it now

      *scene: dm6, you're stacked up with 200armor, got the railgun and is now in hot persuit down the stairs to finish of the prey trying to get away on the lower floor*

      *As you get ready to fire you push the mandatory "ph34h da rail!" bind when you see a strange message on your screen...*

      CONNECTION INTERRUPTED

      Followed seconds later by:

      Hi! We notice that your dream is failing because of a bad connection, we'd like to take this opportunity to tell you a bit of the services that we at AOL provide..."

      --
      Wax-Museum Fire Results In Hundreds Of New Danny DeVito Statues
  51. Magic Lantern by Halo- · · Score: 1

    Mmm.... federally monitored bedroom... Wonder if McAfee is in on this yet.

  52. Hopefully... by bcilfone · · Score: 1

    Hopefully they will also sell advertising so that I may be better informed of the products and services available to me.

  53. SETI@dream by Codeala · · Score: 2, Funny


    Instead turn it into a disturbed number crunching project by hooking up all those "unused" brain power while you sleep. Imagine running SETI@home code in your dream... now you can never be sure whether you were abducted by aliens or just received their signal in your brain ;-)

    --

    Codeala - Just another mindless drone
  54. Link to Philips Site by BoarderPhreak · · Score: 2

    You can see what this thing looks like and get some more details here on Philip' site.

  55. Wow. by traphicone · · Score: 1

    In general, the ceiling projection becomes livelier as the participants become more active.

    Mmmmmm.... Kinky.

  56. I was a beta tester for this! by erroneus · · Score: 5, Funny

    First of all, this is a safe and recreational device. It has enhanced my calm though one side effect is that I crave Taco Bell a bit more than I did prior to the testing. I can't conclusively say that the craving and the testing are related but they did occur around the same time.

    I was skeptical of this thing at first but once I relaxed and began to accept what was given to me, I found that I had a greater level of peace and serenity both in sleep and while awake. Clearly this level of mental and emotional peace has aided in my understanding various aspects of life that I simply couldn't see before.

    1. Bill Gates is NOT the devil. HE is an innovator in the truest sense of the word. Sure he "borrows" ideas from other sources, but don't we all? Isn't the doorknob a variation on the wheel? I see nothing wrong with enhancing the existing world by extending it. But since the extension cannot live or exist without the root portion of the technology, it's only fair that Microsoft should own whatever they extend, even if it was free to begin with. You're just angry because you didn't think of it first.

    2. Politics are no longer confusing for me. The motivations of the government favoring larger corporations makes compelte sense to me now. First of all, it's in the interest of the people that the government hand over control to distributed corporate interests. Think of it! Now instead of electing our government, we can buy stock in it! What could be more democratic or capitalistic than that?

    3. Of course the automotive and energy industries have been sitting on technologies that could reduce our use of fossil fuels!! But is it a bad thing? I think not! Those fossil fuels are a poison to our planet and need to be burned up as quickly and as often as possible. Once we clear those contaminants out of the way, we can move on to a cleaner, more pure world! So instead of crying about the cost of fuel, use it all up so we can move on to better sources. By the time we're done with all those fossil fuels, our corporate leaders will have found a way to measure out our use of hydro, thermal, solar and hydrogen based energy usage so that it is fair and equitable for everyone. The fact that they occur naturally is no reason to cheapen them with low value assessments [low prices]. And again, what's good for our corporate leaders is definitely good for us in the end.

    I encourage everyone to get involved with this enlightening new technology. It's amazing how a good night's sleep can enlighten your day.

    1. Re:I was a beta tester for this! by Tibe · · Score: 1

      you know you sound brainwashed by it... hummm

      be afraid...

    2. Re:I was a beta tester for this! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like the Blue Screen Of Bliss

    3. Re:I was a beta tester for this! by th3rd · · Score: 1

      I hope the score of 5: Funny was the right one.

      --
      You can bomb the world to pieces, but you can't bomb it into peace.
  57. ok i saw the pic's by vrmlknight · · Score: 1

    ok the picture of the ceiling of the clouds and stuff this is a high quality projector so why not get it and hook up a svga output and make a cave like system their was an article a few weeks ago about that IATFLTLIU (I Am To Friggin Lazy To Look It Up) but if this gets down in price it could be a cheep why to use that big wall w/ nothing on it as a 8' screen

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    This must be Thursday, I never could get the hang of Thursdays.
  58. So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do I die if my dream machine BSODs?
    Will there be banner ads?

  59. A picture of the product by SpookComix · · Score: 4, Informative
    This appears to be a picture of the product in question. It's like something you'd see on a brochure.

    --SC

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    You read fiction? I write it! Lemme know what you th
  60. it isn't a joke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    have a look at:

    http://www.news.philips.com/mondial/archive/2001 /m ay/artikel4_2.html

  61. So.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So it's a telescreen that goes over your bed? I guess you aren't even safe in your bed anymore.

  62. Oh wow... by erroneus · · Score: 1, Redundant

    ...imagine being part of a Beowulf cluster of these!

  63. nyeh by zephc · · Score: 2

    wouldnt work for me, seeing as how i sleep on my stomach all night long. I prefer using music or the TV to alter my dreams, not necessarily making them controllable - or lucid - but just to insert fun/weird stuff into them =]

    --
    "I would say that 99 per cent of what my father has written about his own life is false." - L. Ron Hubbard Jr.
  64. Alot of people dont kill because its illegal by HanzoSan · · Score: 2



    And Then, theres some people like me who dont kill because its WRONG.

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    1. Re:Alot of people dont kill because its illegal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is it wrong ? Because the majority of people believe it to be wrong ? Once apon a time in the fair land of the USA the majority of people believed that treating those of african decent as equal was wrong... is it ?

      Not saying that people should go killing each other, just saying that blanketly saying anything is "wrong" is imposing your belief system on somebody who may not believe what you believe. It's like saying, you must believe in my god becase if you don't it is wrong !

    2. Re:Alot of people dont kill because its illegal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My god's bigger than your god! *And* he doesn't exist!

  65. Save your $500 and buy Nicoderm patches. by Bowie+J.+Poag · · Score: 4, Funny



    Why waste your money on elaborate internet-connected electronics? There are plenty of things you can do to "enhance" your dream state.

    1) Nicoderm Transdermal Patches. If worn during sleep, they have the tendency to cause very interesting and detailed dreams/nightmares. The only downside here is that you cant determine in advance which will happen. You could have an awesome dream, or, you could have a titanically bad nightmare. More interestingly, the number of patches you wear at night correlates directly with the vividness of the dream you have.

    2) Self-Hypnosis. $4.95 and a self-help book from Borders will give you everything you need to know to make yourself a porn star during sleep. The content of your dreams is largely determined by what you think about just before you go to sleep. Entering a state of deep relaxation while concentrating on gonzo Roman orgies will do the trick most of the time.

    3) Drugs. More adventurous and stupid people take drugs before going to sleep to produce interesting dreams. Drugs are bad, mmkay?
    3) The monitor trick. Sleep with the back-end of a couple large computer monitors or TV's near your head. Turn the volume off, point the display away from you, and run a screenblanker on each display. The EMF produced by the monitors may be significant enough to affect brainwave patterns. Good for wacky dreams.

    Cheers,

    --
    Bowie J. Poag

    1. Re:Save your $500 and buy Nicoderm patches. by bbay · · Score: 1

      Hmm.

      So taking drugs is a bad idea, and puts you in the stupid category. But irradiating your head with high doses of EMR is a good idea?

      (Btw, nicotine... also a drug.)

    2. Re:Save your $500 and buy Nicoderm patches. by aonifer · · Score: 2

      Why waste your money on elaborate internet-connected electronics? There are plenty of things you can do to "enhance" your dream state.

      1) Nicoderm Transdermal Patches. If worn during sleep, they have the tendency to cause very interesting and detailed dreams/nightmares. The only downside here is that you cant determine in advance which will happen. You could have an awesome dream, or, you could have a titanically bad nightmare. More interestingly, the number of patches you wear at night correlates directly with the vividness of the dream you have.


      skip...

      3) Drugs. More adventurous and stupid people take drugs before going to sleep to produce interesting dreams. Drugs are bad, mmkay?

      Mmkay.

  66. The Money Shot!!! by Picass0 · · Score: 2

    I imagine it would be fun to have one of these in your guest bedroom. It would be a great way to make people go home early.

    If my Mother-in-law were staying over, I might pipe "Pearl Necklace" into her room at two or three in the morning. Or maybe a German scat video. Or a video feed from the next room. Oh, the posibilities....

  67. odd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    one of the main threads with regards to side effects of Alex Chiu's imortality device is vivid dreams

  68. It reminds me... by BitwizeGHC · · Score: 2

    It reminds me of that time on "The Jetsons" where Jane punched up a Rocket Ranger dream or somesuch for Elroy. Elroy had a special bed with programmable dreams in it. :)

    The future is here, folks.

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    N4st0r, trixx0r h0bb1tz0rz! Th3y st0l3 0ur pr3c10uzz!
  69. Aaaah, imagine the possibilities... by melvin22 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Remember Clockwork Orange? Can you imagine what could happen if someone inserted nice little messages like the ones in the movie into your "dream machine".

  70. What about G.I.R.L? by Cosmic+Cow · · Score: 1

    > system designed to enrich the experience of going to bed, sleeping and waking up."

    Woah... get a girl man :)

  71. Importaint Ethical Conserns by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by
    madness, starving hysterical naked,
    dragging themselves through the negro streets at dawn
    looking for an angry fix,
    angelheaded hipsters burning for the ancient heavenly
    connection to the starry dynamo in the machinery of night,
    who poverty and tatters and hollow-eyed and high sat
    up smoking in the supernatural darkness of
    cold-water flats floating across the tops of cities
    contemplating jazz,
    who bared their brains to Heaven under the El and
    saw Mohammedan angels staggering on tenement roofs illuminated,
    who passed through universities with radiant cool eyes
    hallucinating Arkansas and Blake-light tragedy
    among the scholars of war,
    who were expelled from the academies for crazy &
    publishing obscene odes on the windows of the skull,
    who cowered in unshaven rooms in underwear,
    burning their money in wastebaskets and listening
    to the Terror through the wall,
    who got busted in their pubic beards returning through
    Laredo with a belt of marijuana for New York,
    who ate fire in paint hotels or drank turpentine in
    Paradise Alley, death, or purgatoried their
    torsos night after night
    with dreams, with drugs, with waking nightmares,
    alcohol and cock and endless balls,
    incomparable blind; streets of shuddering cloud and
    lightning in the mind leaping toward poles of Canada & Paterson,
    illuminating all the motionless world of Time between,
    Peyote solidities of halls, backyard green tree cemetery
    dawns, wine drunkenness over the rooftops,
    storefront boroughs of teahead joyride neon
    blinking traffic light, sun and moon and tree
    vibrations in the roaring winter dusks of Brooklyn,
    ashcan rantings and kind king light of mind,
    who chained themselves to subways for the endless
    ride from Battery to holy Bronx on benzedrine
    until the noise of wheels and children brought
    them down shuddering mouth-wracked and
    battered bleak of brain all drained of brilliance
    in the drear light of Zoo,
    who sank all night in submarine light of Bickford's
    floated out and sat through the stale beer after
    noon in desolate Fugazzi's, listening to the crack
    of doom on the hydrogen jukebox,
    who talked continuously seventy hours from park to
    pad to bar to Bellevue to museum to the Brooklyn Bridge,
    lost battalion of platonic conversationalists jumping
    down the stoops off fire escapes off windowsills
    off Empire State out of the moon,
    yacketayakking screaming vomiting whispering facts
    and memories and anecdotes and eyeball kicks
    and shocks of hospitals and jails and wars,
    whole intellects disgorged in total recall for seven days
    and nights with brilliant eyes, meat for the
    Synagogue cast on the pavement,
    who vanished into nowhere Zen New Jersey leaving a
    trail of ambiguous picture postcards of Atlantic City Hall,
    suffering Eastern sweats and Tangerian bone-grind-ings and
    migraines of China under junk-with-drawal in Newark's bleak furnished room,
    who wandered around and around at midnight in the
    railroad yard wondering where to go, and went,
    leaving no broken hearts,
    who lit cigarettes in boxcars boxcars boxcars racketing
    through snow toward lonesome farms in grand-father night,
    who studied Plotinus Poe St. John of the Cross telepathy
    and bop kabbalah because the cosmos instinctively
    vibrated at their feet in Kansas,
    who loned it through the streets of Idaho seeking visionary
    indian angels who were visionary indian angels,
    who thought they were only mad when Baltimore
    gleamed in supernatural ecstasy,
    who jumped in limousines with the Chinaman of Oklahoma on the impulse of winter midnight street
    light smalltown rain,
    who lounged hungry and lonesome through Houston
    seeking jazz or sex or soup, and followed the
    brilliant Spaniard to converse about America
    and Eternity, a hopeless task, and so took ship to Africa,
    who disappeared into the volcanoes of Mexico leaving
    behind nothing but the shadow of dungarees
    and the lava and ash of poetry scattered in fireplace Chicago,
    who reappeared on the West Coast investigating the
    F.B.I. in beards and shorts with big pacifist
    eyes sexy in their dark skin passing out incomprehensible leaflets,
    who burned cigarette holes in their arms protesting
    the narcotic tobacco haze of Capitalism,
    who distributed Supercommunist pamphlets in Union
    Square weeping and undressing while the sirens
    of Los Alamos wailed them down, and wailed
    down Wall, and the Staten Island ferry also wailed,
    who broke down crying in white gymnasiums naked
    and trembling before the machinery of other skeletons,
    who bit detectives in the neck and shrieked with delight
    in policecars for committing no crime but their
    own wild cooking pederasty and intoxication,
    who howled on their knees in the subway and were
    dragged off the roof waving genitals and manuscripts,
    who let themselves be fucked in the ass by saintly
    motorcyclists, and screamed with joy,
    who blew and were blown by those human seraphim,
    the sailors, caresses of Atlantic and Caribbean love,
    who balled in the morning in the evenings in rose
    gardens and the grass of public parks and
    cemeteries scattering their semen freely to
    whomever come who may,
    who hiccuped endlessly trying to giggle but wound up
    with a sob behind a partition in a Turkish Bath
    when the blond & naked angel came to pierce
    them with a sword,
    who lost their loveboys to the three old shrews of fate
    the one eyed shrew of the heterosexual dollar
    the one eyed shrew that winks out of the womb
    and the one eyed shrew that does nothing but
    sit on her ass and snip the intellectual golden
    threads of the craftsman's loom,
    who copulated ecstatic and insatiate with a bottle of
    beer a sweetheart a package of cigarettes a candle and fell off the bed, and continued along
    the floor and down the hall and ended fainting
    on the wall with a vision of ultimate cunt and
    come eluding the last gyzym of consciousness,
    who sweetened the snatches of a million girls trembling
    in the sunset, and were red eyed in the morning
    but prepared to sweeten the snatch of the sun
    rise, flashing buttocks under barns and naked in the lake,
    who went out whoring through Colorado in myriad
    stolen night-cars, N.C., secret hero of these
    poems, cocksman and Adonis of Denver-joy
    to the memory of his innumerable lays of girls
    in empty lots & diner backyards, moviehouses'
    rickety rows, on mountaintops in caves or with
    gaunt waitresses in familiar roadside lonely petticoat upliftings & especially secret gas-station
    solipsisms of johns, & hometown alleys too,
    who faded out in vast sordid movies, were shifted in
    dreams, woke on a sudden Manhattan, and
    picked themselves up out of basements hung
    over with heartless Tokay and horrors of Third
    Avenue iron dreams & stumbled to unemployment offices,
    who walked all night with their shoes full of blood on
    the snowbank docks waiting for a door in the
    East River to open to a room full of steamheat and opium,
    who created great suicidal dramas on the apartment
    cliff-banks of the Hudson under the wartime
    blue floodlight of the moon & their heads shall
    be crowned with laurel in oblivion,
    who ate the lamb stew of the imagination or digested
    the crab at the muddy bottom of the rivers of Bowery,
    who wept at the romance of the streets with their
    pushcarts full of onions and bad music,
    who sat in boxes breathing in the darkness under the
    bridge, and rose up to build harpsichords in their lofts,
    who coughed on the sixth floor of Harlem crowned
    with flame under the tubercular sky surrounded
    by orange crates of theology,
    who scribbled all night rocking and rolling over lofty
    incantations which in the yellow morning were
    stanzas of gibberish,
    who cooked rotten animals lung heart feet tail borsht
    & tortillas dreaming of the pure vegetable kingdom,
    who plunged themselves under meat trucks looking for an egg,
    who threw their watches off the roof to cast their ballot
    for Eternity outside of Time, & alarm clocks
    fell on their heads every day for the next decade,
    who cut their wrists three times successively unsuccessfully, gave up and were forced to open antique
    stores where they thought they were growing
    old and cried,
    who were burned alive in their innocent flannel suits
    on Madison Avenue amid blasts of leaden verse
    & the tanked-up clatter of the iron regiments
    of fashion & the nitroglycerine shrieks of the
    fairies of advertising & the mustard gas of sinister intelligent editors, or were run down by the
    drunken taxicabs of Absolute Reality,
    who jumped off the Brooklyn Bridge this actually happened and walked away unknown and forgotten
    into the ghostly daze of Chinatown soup alley
    ways & firetrucks, not even one free beer,
    who sang out of their windows in despair, fell out of
    the subway window, jumped in the filthy Passaic, leaped on negroes,
    cried all over the street,
    danced on broken wineglasses barefoot smashed
    phonograph records of nostalgic European
    1930s German jazz finished the whiskey and
    threw up groaning into the bloody toilet, moans
    in their ears and the blast of colossal steam whistles,
    who barreled down the highways of the past journeying
    to each other's hotrod-Golgotha jail-solitude
    watch or Birmingham jazz incarnation,
    who drove crosscountry seventytwo hours to find out
    if I had a vision or you had a vision or he had
    a vision to find out Eternity,
    who journeyed to Denver, who died in Denver, who
    came back to Denver & waited in vain, who
    watched over Denver & brooded & loned in
    Denver and finally went away to find out the
    Time, & now Denver is lonesome for her heroes,
    who fell on their knees in hopeless cathedrals praying
    for each other's salvation and light and breasts,
    until the soul illuminated its hair for a second,
    who crashed through their minds in jail waiting for
    impossible criminals with golden heads and the
    charm of reality in their hearts who sang sweet
    blues to Alcatraz,
    who retired to Mexico to cultivate a habit, or Rocky
    Mount to tender Buddha or Tangiers to boys
    or Southern Pacific to the black locomotive or
    Harvard to Narcissus to Woodlawn to the
    daisychain or grave,
    who demanded sanity trials accusing the radio of hyp
    notism & were left with their insanity & their
    hands & a hung jury,
    who threw potato salad at CCNY lecturers on Dadaism
    and subsequently presented themselves on the
    granite steps of the madhouse with shaven heads
    and harlequin speech of suicide, demanding instantaneous lobotomy,
    and who were given instead the concrete void of insulin
    Metrazol electricity hydrotherapy psychotherapy occupational
    therapy pingpong & amnesia,
    who in humorless protest overturned only one symbolic
    pingpong table, resting briefly in catatonia,
    returning years later truly bald except for a wig of
    blood, and tears and fingers, to the visible mad
    man doom of the wards of the madtowns of the East,
    Pilgrim State's Rockland's and Greystone's foetid
    halls, bickering with the echoes of the soul,
    rocking and rolling in the midnight solitude-bench
    dolmen-realms of love, dream of life a nightmare,
    bodies turned to stone as heavy as the moon,
    with mother finally ******, and the last fantastic book
    flung out of the tenement window, and the last
    door closed at 4. A.M. and the last telephone
    slammed at the wall in reply and the last furnished room
    emptied down to the last piece of mental furniture,
    a yellow paper rose twisted on a wire hanger in the closet,
    and even that imaginary,
    nothing but a hopeful little bit of hallucination
    ah, Carl, while you are not safe I am not safe, and
    now you're really in the total animal soup of time
    and who therefore ran through the icy streets obsessed
    with a sudden flash of the alchemy of the use
    of the ellipse the catalog the meter & the vibrating plane,
    who dreamt and made incarnate gaps in Time & Space
    through images juxtaposed, and trapped the
    archangel of the soul between 2 visual images
    and joined the elemental verbs and set the noun
    and dash of consciousness together jumping
    with sensation of Pater Omnipotens Aeterna Deus
    to recreate the syntax and measure of poor human
    prose and stand before you speechless and intelligent
    and shaking with shame,
    rejected yet confessing out the soul to conform to the rhythm
    of thought in his naked and endless head,
    the madman bum and angel beat in Time, unknown,
    yet putting down here what might be left to say
    in time come after death,
    and rose reincarnate in the ghostly clothes of jazz in
    the goldhorn shadow of the band and blew the
    suffering of America's naked mind for love into
    an eli eli lamma lamma sabacthani saxophone
    cry that shivered the cities down to the last radio
    with the absolute heart of the poem of life butchered
    out of their own bodies good to eat a thousand years.
    What sphinx of cement and aluminum bashed open
    their skulls and ate up their brains and imagination?
    Moloch! Solitude! Filth! Ugliness! Ashcans and unob
    tainable dollars! Children screaming under the
    stairways! Boys sobbing in armies! Old men
    weeping in the parks!
    Moloch! Moloch! Nightmare of Moloch! Moloch the
    loveless! Mental Moloch! Moloch the heavy
    judger of men!
    Moloch the incomprehensible prison! Moloch the
    crossbone soulless jailhouse and Congress of
    sorrows! Moloch whose buildings are judgment!
    Moloch the vast stone of war! Moloch the stunned governments!
    Moloch whose mind is pure machinery! Moloch whose
    blood is running money! Moloch whose fingers
    are ten armies! Moloch whose breast is a cannibal dynamo!
    Moloch whose ear is a smoking tomb!
    Moloch whose eyes are a thousand blind windows!
    Moloch whose skyscrapers stand in the long
    streets like endless Jehovahs! Moloch whose factories
    dream and croak in the fog! Moloch whose
    smokestacks and antennae crown the cities!
    Moloch whose love is endless oil and stone! Moloch
    whose soul is electricity and banks! Moloch
    whose poverty is the specter of genius! Moloch
    whose fate is a cloud of sexless hydrogen!
    Moloch whose name is the Mind!
    Moloch in whom I sit lonely! Moloch in whom I dream
    Angels! Crazy in Moloch! Cocksucker in
    Moloch! Lacklove and manless in Moloch!
    Moloch who entered my soul early! Moloch in whom
    I am a consciousness without a body! Moloch
    who frightened me out of my natural ecstasy!
    Moloch whom I abandon! Wake up in Moloch!
    Light streaming out of the sky!
    Moloch! Moloch! Robot apartments! invisible suburbs!
    skeleton treasuries! blind capitals! demonic
    industries! spectral nations! invincible mad
    houses! granite cocks! monstrous bombs!
    They broke their backs lifting Moloch to Heaven! Pave-
    ments, trees, radios, tons! lifting the city to
    Heaven which exists and is everywhere about us!
    Visions! omens! hallucinations! miracles! ecstasies!
    gone down the American river!
    Dreams! adorations! illuminations! religions! the whole
    boatload of sensitive bullshit!
    Breakthroughs! over the river! flips and crucifixions!
    gone down the flood! Highs! Epiphanies! Despairs!
    Ten years' animal screams and suicides!
    Minds! New loves! Mad generation! down on
    the rocks of Time!
    Real holy laughter in the river! They saw it all! the
    wild eyes! the holy yells! They bade farewell!
    They jumped off the roof! to solitude! waving!
    carrying flowers! Down to the river! into the street!
    Carl Solomon! I'm with you in Rockland
    where you're madder than I am
    I'm with you in Rockland
    where you must feel very strange
    I'm with you in Rockland
    where you imitate the shade of my mother
    I'm with you in Rockland
    where you've murdered your twelve secretaries
    I'm with you in Rockland
    where you laugh at this invisible humor
    I'm with you in Rockland
    where we are great writers on the same dreadful typewriter
    I'm with you in Rockland
    where your condition has become serious and
    is reported on the radio
    I'm with you in Rockland
    where the faculties of the skull no longer admit
    the worms of the senses
    I'm with you in Rockland
    where you drink the tea of the breasts of the
    spinsters of Utica
    I'm with you in Rockland
    where you pun on the bodies of your nurses the
    harpies of the Bronx
    I'm with you in Rockland
    where you scream in a straightjacket that you're
    losing the game of the actual pingpong of the abyss
    I'm with you in Rockland
    where you bang on the catatonic piano the soul
    is innocent and immortal it should never die
    ungodly in an armed madhouse
    I'm with you in Rockland
    where fifty more shocks will never return your
    soul to its body again from its pilgrimage to a
    cross in the void
    I'm with you in Rockland
    where you accuse your doctors of insanity and
    plot the Hebrew socialist revolution against the
    fascist national Golgotha
    I'm with you in Rockland
    where you will split the heavens of Long Island
    and resurrect your living human Jesus from the
    superhuman tomb
    I'm with you in Rockland
    where there are twenty-five-thousand mad com-
    rades all together singing the final stanzas of
    the Internationale
    I'm with you in Rockland
    where we hug and kiss the United States under
    our bedsheets the United States that coughs all
    night and won't let us sleep
    I'm with you in Rockland
    where we wake up electrified out of the coma
    by our own souls' airplanes roaring over the
    roof they've come to drop angelic bombs the
    hospital illuminates itself imaginary walls collapse
    O skinny legions run outside O starry
    spangled shock of mercy the eternal war is
    here O victory forget your underwear we're free
    I'm with you in Rockland
    in my dreams you walk dripping from a sea-
    journey on the highway across America in tears
    to the door of my cottage in the Western night

    Jahad

  72. hm april april? by handsup · · Score: 1

    "This article was first published in newVALUEnews nr 8, April 2001."

    1. is it old?
    2. is it an april joke??

  73. offtopic reply to your sig by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So you say life sucks? Well, life is what you make of it. so if your life sucks, YOU suck.

    I think it can be qualitatively proven that some people's live really do suck regardless of their personality. One thing that makes a difference is education, which millions of people have no access to and hence no way of even knowing where/how to start on the path to a suckless life such as you infer to possess.

  74. Yay!!!! by jessh · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Now they can insert advertisements into our dreams.

  75. ONLY if you dont know you are dreaming! by HanzoSan · · Score: 2



    If you hear noise while dreaming and you know you are dreaming, You know its a noise "OUTSIDE" of the dream.

    If you dont know you are dreaming, then it might work.

    That is my point.
    If someone lucid dreams then this wont work.

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  76. Meet George Jetson! by PhoenxHwk · · Score: 1

    Anyone else reminded of The Jetson's and Elroy's bed?

    Next thing you know, they'll be coming out with walking, talking robots (oh jeeze, Honda just did)!!

  77. No joke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No joke, actually. I first saw that in T3 Magazine, June 2001 issue (pg. 34). The pictures were rather cool. But to be honest, the first thing that came to mind when I read the article was the thing's potential to be hacked.

    For more details on this and some other cool/weird concepts by Philips, check out their site at http://www.design.philips.com/smartconnections/

  78. doubt it by cyberbob2010 · · Score: 1

    I hate vapor ware

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  79. Dodgy by Tibe · · Score: 1

    This all sounds a little strange so off I trotted to philips to chuck Nebula in there search engine (to no avail) then on the front page was there new other form of time saving life changing device... a fridge that scans barcodes as you put stuff in it. One massive pic of a barcode sat deed centre of the homepage. Do I remember this from a cretin TV programme on FOX, Dark Angel perhaps?

    Be afraid....

  80. Video of it by ratajik · · Score: 1

    A rough video of this can be found here

    1. Re:Video of it by ratajik · · Score: 1

      While its VERY rough (lord, I hope that sounds isn't the unit *grin*), this seems to be a very cool idea.

      I DO have to wonder about how it's detecting movement. It appears to have some kind of touch-sensing pad on the bottom sheet. Looks uncomfortable, and might be easy to move around. Still, I'll be interested to see how this progresses (sure looks like a prototype right now)

  81. SEX OVER THE NET! by F34RL3SS+L34D3R · · Score: 1
    Just throw a webcam up over your bed and have your partner throw a webcam up over theirs, and wha la. Cyber sex like never before!

    Never underestimate the power of denial.

  82. External stimuli while sleeping by David+Jericho · · Score: 1
    I can only speak from personal experience, but moving images and audio while you sleep can do weird things.

    I routinely used to fall asleep in a beanbag infront of my television on a Saturday morning, after my hour long 6am ice skating training session. In Australia at 7am or so on a Saturday morning, most free to air channels have music videos for a few hours.

    The effect was better than any drug I've ever heard of. I'd have the most weird, and most entertaining dreams. It actually had such a feel good effect that I ended up doing it on a regular basis.

    Of course, should I leave the television tuned to the ABC, come 11:30am, Heartbreak High would come on, and I'd become catatonic. Infact, my landlord would have to hit me repeatedly with a broom handle while playing Britney Spears at volume on my stereo to induce a fight or flee response. Useless it was flee, followed by 30 minutes of cowering in my shower under running cold water.

  83. No, it's no joke by DiLLeMaN · · Score: 0

    I've seen this thing with my own eyes.

    And no, I wasn't stoned.

    it's a pretty cool concept really, but they have to find a way to quiet down that projector, it makes a lot of noise. I can't sleep with noisy projectors next to my bed.

    OTOH, most geeks are used to sleeping in a room with at least a couple of computers... =]

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  84. How many of you actually read the article? by Chardish · · Score: 1

    This device is NOT a 'dream inducer' nor is it a machine to control what you actually dream about. This is a projection machine onto the wall, that doubles as an alarm clock. It makes sleep more enjoyable by creating pleasing images on the wall, which may cause dreaming.

    Crackpot Theory #1: If the machine senses my movements, then doesn't it have a camera? Can't people spy on me?
    It does not have a camera, it senses movement based on pads on the bed. How could it tell what's going on underneath sheets anyway?
    How Nebula Works (Quicktime video)

    Crackpot Theory #2: If the machine is connected to the Internet, can't people hack my dreams?
    The Nebula device gets content from the Internet, yes. However, the machine's output is controlled by the "pebbles" you insert, not by the Internet. Therefore it is impossible for hackers to control your dreams, as the device is not connected to the Internet as you sleep.

    Crackpot Theory #3: What about subliminal advertising?
    Nebula doesn't actually control or induce dreams. Once again, it just displays pictures on the walls (and lets you have a little fun if there's someone in there with you.) Everyone interprets experiences, sights, and sounds in different ways during sleep, which means that the only way for subliminal advertising to work is if an image is displayed that is a) indiscernable enough to not be picked up at the conscious level and b) discernable enough to be unwaveringly interpreted in the same fashion at the subconscious level. This is both impractical and all but impossible. There are much easier ways of advertising to us, even at a subliminal level.

    I'm not saying this is a bad device though - it sounds like it's seriously cool. I can't wait till it comes out, I'm going to be first in line to get one.

    -Chardish

  85. Better sleep without the in-bed wallpaper: by Zspdude · · Score: 1

    Here we go again, trying to find a way of living with our bad habits by reducing the harm they do to us rather than changing our habits. We see it all the time through weight loss pills, exercise in a bottle, etc. The result in this case is a complex bedroom wallpaper designed to smooth out the wrinkles of sleep difficulties. It ends up costing a lot and doing a questionable amount. My advice if you want to sleep better: skip the wallpaper, go to bed earlier, and DON'T eat the pizza and the ice cream! If we looked at eliminating sources of stress and other causes of poor sleeping habits we could better use our money and our effort: this idea could be the basis for a wicked entertainment system. Perhaps if we used a little less technology and a little more practicality we'd get a lot more accomplished in all areas.

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  86. uhh I dont get it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I dont know about everyone elce but I sleep with my eyes closed so what good will this do! if they could come up with some type of head gear system that projects a image into your retnas even with your eyes closed (dont ask me how) then that would be cool. other than that the projection system can be accomplished with just a regular screen projector so this isnt anything new! I would just project pr0n onto my celling.

  87. Dream Pillows by Bob+Uhl · · Score: 2
    In line with suggestion #3, folks may wish to try out a dream pillow. These consist of a number of a soporific (i.e. sleep-inducing) herbs. The recipe I have is 2 oz. dried whole hops, 2 oz. dried chamomile flowers, 2 oz. crushed dried rosebuds (rosehips?), 1 oz. dried mugwort, 1 oz. dried lemongrass and 1/2 oz. benzoin as a preservative. Mix everything together in a double-bag of cheesecloth, then cover with something appropriately pillowish.

    I'm told that many folks stop using these, so vivid are the dreams thereby created. I've not gotten together the ingredients to try it out yet, so cannot offer my own experiences.

    An idea I've had is to brew up a batch of mead with the herbs as flavouring. It could then be distilled and another batch of herbs steeped in it to make a tincture. This tincture could then be used to fortify a second batch of the mead. One could then drink several glasses of the mead and go to sleep with the pillow at one's head. I can only imagine the dreams which might be produced thereby.

    The recipe is from The Home Brewer's Companion, by Charlie Papazian. Excellent book.

    1. Re:Dream Pillows by Tackhead · · Score: 1
      > An idea I've had is to brew up a batch of mead with the herbs as flavouring. It could then be distilled and another batch of herbs steeped in it to make a tincture. This tincture could then be used to fortify a second batch of the mead. One could then drink several glasses of the mead and go to sleep with the pillow at one's head. I can only imagine the dreams which might be produced thereby.

      Drink several glasses of mead before going to bed, and you won't even remember last night when you were awake, never mind your dreams :)

    2. Re:Dream Pillows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just the hops should do. Or the 'crazy quilt' preset for BWGEN on decent headphones is pretty good. (No, you don't need to register it to use custom files, only to import them. Left as an exercise for the technically not-too-incompetent reader...)

  88. Brave New World, Here We Come... by Bob+Uhl · · Score: 2
    I am happy to be an Epsilon. Epsilons work for others. Alphas are so smart, but they work so hard. I'm glad I'm not an Alpha...

    Incidentally, I always considered BNW far, far scarier than 1984. Huxley's dystopia was more frightening and more bleak than was Orwell's. More realistic, too--I can see it happening. Rule them with pleasure, and they will not revolt.

  89. Detecting sleep by Animats · · Score: 2

    Something that can tell when you're asleep would be marginally useful, for controlling lights, sound, video, and such. But "home control" has been a market fiasco so far; X10, Echelon, and Jini never took off. There's probably room for self-contained products in this space, but not total integration.

  90. Brave New World by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Hypnopedia is Here

  91. Yes, slightly off-topic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unless you find horror absolutely enjoyable, do not try the nicoderm thing. I've tried it, and I have had dreams within dreams within dreams, not really knowing if I were awake every time I "woke up", only to suddenly suffer another onslaught of horror. I have had to kill friends in these dreams, nothing pleasant to begin with, and even less pleasant when you are positive you are awake.

    I know that to be scientific about this, I'd need to check with a bunch of people and gather statistical data to see how many experience this, but heed my advise: Nicoderm sleep can potentially get more fucked up than anything you have ever seen.

    1. Re:Yes, slightly off-topic by funky+womble · · Score: 1
      Dreams within dreams .... hmmm, that reminds me of somethings.. <googles>...

      Going Meta - Taking a Vurt feather as part of the Theatre, creating a dream within a dream. Highly dangerous for the psyche of the dreamer.

      Be very, very careful. This ride is not for the weak.

      Curious...

      (if this doesn't make a lot of sense, you probably haven't read Vurt by Jeff Noon, in which case you probably should)..

  92. Just f**kin' great... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Woohoo!!

    Now we can fork out money and sign license fees for PEBBLES. Not just that, the pebbles actually contain real live pictures that anyone with a normal browser can get for free.

    When are we gonna say no to this commercial corruption of the net's freedom?

  93. I see wheer thisnis going.... by jamirocake · · Score: 1

    Yeah, then at 3 am the "content" databse will display a Coke ad, or a car commercial; all based on the position you are sleeping... Agh, this thing is giving me nightmares already.

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  94. Hmm... by cr0sh · · Score: 2

    I am not even sure what this device does, but from the description, it sounds like it would be an annoyance device, more than anything.

    Already, I fall asleep (or attempt to) to the TV going, because my SO needs it on to fall asleep to. At first, slight noises on the TV (even when the volume was turned waaay down) would cause me to wake up - but since that time I have gotten used to it. Still, it isn't the best thing, but I tolerate it (earplugs and one of those eye pillow things help).

    Anyhow, what would be better than this, if you wanted to "mess" with your dreams, would be something I have thought about playing with, but right now it is a back burner project.

    How about messing with the REM stage? We have all seen those alpha brainwave machines (there are tons of plans on the internet as well - some even on my site) - what if you made a similar system, with the lights and sounds (using headphones, etc) to be triggered during REM sleep (using some kind of sensors on the eyelids to sense the REM stage) - see what can happen.

    I have also wondered about using one of those devices (or just headphones) to have a computer monitor REM sleep, then speak a keyword (or story) to trigger lucid dreaming (now there is fun dreaming). Perhaps even give cues to control the lucid dream. If there could be feedback to the computer from the dreamer - dream games might be a possibility (maybe via brainwave monitoring, or other monitoring systems?)...

    The possibilities for such a system - wow...

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