I have to disagree, when you hear figures that high you instantly assume it's for incredibly high end enterprise storage - it would be counterintuitive to assume otherwise. I have to assume your lack of familiarity with enterprise storage would lead you to assume it was the type of storage you're familiar in dealing with. When enterprise level IT workers are asked about "storage" we instantly think "SAN/NAS" these days.
Wait how in the world is the network the bottleneck? Are they just too cheap to upgrade or is this storage accessed via applications across a WAN? Forgive me it's just very rare to hear someone say that the network is the bottleneck in the age of 60Gb/s infiniband, 10Gb Datacenter Ethernet and 8Gb/s FC.
Let's not also forget that all those insanely fast disks are front-ended by massive amounts of RAM cache (many many many gigabytes) that SAN vendors charge absolutely obscene prices for. We pay over $2,000 per gigabyte of RAM cache for our controllers. It's enough to make you want to cry.
What kind of storage are we talking about here? NAS or SAN? iSCSI or FC? I can tell you that just CapEx you can easily spend $30/GB just installing a fiber channel SAN. If you're talking the cost of the directors, fc switches, hbas, controllers and disk arrays, not to mention the SAN software licensing. You can easily spend $100K for less than 10TB of FC SAN space, not including the FC infrastructure, which is massively expensive. You'll pay easily >$300 per FC N_Port (obviously you need two ports on independent switches to feed each host for redundancy - so thats $600/host), which doesn't even consider the core directors to feed them and another $700/port for your 4-8Gb HBAs (we pay >$1300 for dual port 4Gb QLogic HBAs).
We really need more information to determine if the pricing is reasonable. Is he paying $30/GB for NAS or SAN? What kind of IOPS can it deliver? What kind of SLA? If we're talking about CIFS space for home directories, lord yes, he's paying an order of magnitude too much. If he's using it to drive a VDI or server virtualization implementation then no that's not even remotely unreasonable.
Consider that I am probably more educated about global warming than the average person (hey, I read slashdot afterall, right?). If even I'm poorly educated about global warming I think it's safe to say that we're doing an incredibly poor job about conveying the immediacy of the issue. And then we've got things like "climategate" further damaging the credibility of these scientists
There are also plenty of scientists who also report that global warming caused by man is a very small problem (or non-existent):
"In 2009 over 700 international scientists, including many current and former UN IPCC members, joined with Senator Inhofe in a Senate Minority Report to express their doubts over man-made global warming claims."
Or even better:
In the largest effort to date to document global warming dissent in the scientific community, 31,486 Americans with university degrees in science - including 9,029 PhD, 7,157 MS, 2,586 MD and DVM, and 12,714 BS or equivalent - have signed on with the Global Warming Petition Project to state “the human-caused global warming hypothesis is without scientific validity.”
It seems that for every scientist I can find that supports the global warming I can find one who doesn't! I'm completely open to debate on the topic, but I just don't see the overwhelming evidence to support one theory. And I'm absolutely attempting to listen to people qualified to weigh in on the topic, the problem is we have experts on both sides.
I'm not aware of "overwhelming scientific evidence" that directly links pollution to global warming. I see totally normal warming, historically speaking, but I don't know of anything that can tie it to pollution.
I'm genuinely asking, not being smarmy, I honestly don't know. I have to admit I'm terribly poorly educated about the subject in general.
Oh my file server most definitely is hooked to the network. Sorry for the confusion, this thread started because someone said "file servers are so last decade" and that we should hookup USB drives to our TV, which I was trying to point out was silly because of the amount of storage space I'm used to.
Those formats are great, nice to see some progress from television manufacturers. Now when I can replace my 1080p projector with something supporting those formats I might ditch my HTPC. But even then it sure is nice to have a web browser sometimes.
Those are containers, what codecs does it play? Where do I get a hard drive in a USB enclosure to replace my raid array? Ok, that last one was sarcastic.
No we all buy a magazine off of a rack at a store from some creepy attendant to see some chicks tits when I could literally watch a video of 20 guys jacking off onto half a dozen coeds for free without leaving my desk.
That's exactly the problem. Why don't we all have HD video conferencing with our friends and family? They've got 720p video cameras in cellphones now. The only limiting factor now is bandwidth.
And if you think less than 1% of people in the US upload school work or send family photos you're insane.
Link to source. Out of context that means nothing. So one out of 1,000,000 SSDs produced failed in a year? That would be a far better failure rate than HDDs. Need more information for that statement to mean literally _anything_.
But if you'd like to use anecdotal evidence, I had a 2TB hard drive fail in 30 days. Also, as we all know, as hard drive capacities have increased so have failure rates (and dramatically). The lifespan of a 40GB hard drive from 2001 is literally meaningless in this discussion.
Please stop perpetuating this myth. Look at the warranty and MTBF on SSDs. This is not an issue.
But, you need to realize that all drives die. You're just as likely (if not more) to have a HDD die as an SSD. Back up your files and then stop worrying about it. I've been using SSDs (from OCZ, both the Vertex and now a Vertex2) for well over a year and the difference in performance is staggering. Not one single problem so far. I've also had hard drives die within 30 days of purchase.
photoshop's manual is several hundred pages. the length of his explanation has nothing to do with the complexity of gimp. He offered not only his opinion and an explanation of the problem, but more than one solution, all in a handful of sentences. personally i've been using photoshop so long it's very difficult to transition to gimp.
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I have to disagree, when you hear figures that high you instantly assume it's for incredibly high end enterprise storage - it would be counterintuitive to assume otherwise. I have to assume your lack of familiarity with enterprise storage would lead you to assume it was the type of storage you're familiar in dealing with. When enterprise level IT workers are asked about "storage" we instantly think "SAN/NAS" these days.
Wait how in the world is the network the bottleneck? Are they just too cheap to upgrade or is this storage accessed via applications across a WAN? Forgive me it's just very rare to hear someone say that the network is the bottleneck in the age of 60Gb/s infiniband, 10Gb Datacenter Ethernet and 8Gb/s FC.
Let's not also forget that all those insanely fast disks are front-ended by massive amounts of RAM cache (many many many gigabytes) that SAN vendors charge absolutely obscene prices for. We pay over $2,000 per gigabyte of RAM cache for our controllers. It's enough to make you want to cry.
Can I ask how you came up with a monthly cost? Did you take the CapEx and divide it by the expected life of the storage system?
(I'm an idiot, $30/GB/mo does seem high)
What kind of storage are we talking about here? NAS or SAN? iSCSI or FC? I can tell you that just CapEx you can easily spend $30/GB just installing a fiber channel SAN. If you're talking the cost of the directors, fc switches, hbas, controllers and disk arrays, not to mention the SAN software licensing. You can easily spend $100K for less than 10TB of FC SAN space, not including the FC infrastructure, which is massively expensive. You'll pay easily >$300 per FC N_Port (obviously you need two ports on independent switches to feed each host for redundancy - so thats $600/host), which doesn't even consider the core directors to feed them and another $700/port for your 4-8Gb HBAs (we pay >$1300 for dual port 4Gb QLogic HBAs).
We really need more information to determine if the pricing is reasonable. Is he paying $30/GB for NAS or SAN? What kind of IOPS can it deliver? What kind of SLA? If we're talking about CIFS space for home directories, lord yes, he's paying an order of magnitude too much. If he's using it to drive a VDI or server virtualization implementation then no that's not even remotely unreasonable.
Consider that I am probably more educated about global warming than the average person (hey, I read slashdot afterall, right?). If even I'm poorly educated about global warming I think it's safe to say that we're doing an incredibly poor job about conveying the immediacy of the issue. And then we've got things like "climategate" further damaging the credibility of these scientists
There are also plenty of scientists who also report that global warming caused by man is a very small problem (or non-existent):
"In 2009 over 700 international scientists, including many current and former UN IPCC members, joined with Senator Inhofe in a Senate Minority Report to express their doubts over man-made global warming claims."
Or even better:
In the largest effort to date to document global warming dissent in the scientific community, 31,486 Americans with university degrees in science - including 9,029 PhD, 7,157 MS, 2,586 MD and DVM, and 12,714 BS or equivalent - have signed on with the Global Warming Petition Project to state “the human-caused global warming hypothesis is without scientific validity.”
It seems that for every scientist I can find that supports the global warming I can find one who doesn't! I'm completely open to debate on the topic, but I just don't see the overwhelming evidence to support one theory. And I'm absolutely attempting to listen to people qualified to weigh in on the topic, the problem is we have experts on both sides.
"You know this, how?"
Uh, science?
I'm not aware of "overwhelming scientific evidence" that directly links pollution to global warming. I see totally normal warming, historically speaking, but I don't know of anything that can tie it to pollution.
I'm genuinely asking, not being smarmy, I honestly don't know. I have to admit I'm terribly poorly educated about the subject in general.
Wow, as is apparently "Xenos". At least I can tell people they're talking about an ACTUAL processor now, just the wrong one.
It's not nearly as bad as when people refer to Xeon processors as "Xenon".
Considering Microsoft just licensed ARM you might be surrised.
Oh my file server most definitely is hooked to the network. Sorry for the confusion, this thread started because someone said "file servers are so last decade" and that we should hookup USB drives to our TV, which I was trying to point out was silly because of the amount of storage space I'm used to.
Those formats are great, nice to see some progress from television manufacturers. Now when I can replace my 1080p projector with something supporting those formats I might ditch my HTPC. But even then it sure is nice to have a web browser sometimes.
Those are containers, what codecs does it play? Where do I get a hard drive in a USB enclosure to replace my raid array? Ok, that last one was sarcastic.
What TV is this that has a USB port and "plays a long list of media files" (I need DivX/XviD and H.264) ? What about those of us with projectors?
No we all buy a magazine off of a rack at a store from some creepy attendant to see some chicks tits when I could literally watch a video of 20 guys jacking off onto half a dozen coeds for free without leaving my desk.
yeah makes perfect sense.
Clarification - a T1 (aka PRI, sort of) is only 1.5mb/s. The EU counterpart the E1 is about 2mb/s.
Verizon FiOS is offering FTTH in many major metro markets.
How many countries in the world have FTTH? Now of those, how many have lower population densities than the US.
I'm not saying we shouldn't do more, it's just rarely as bleak a picture as people try to paint.
It's not terribly widely available and it's very expensive and it's usually relegated to business classes of service.
That's exactly the problem. Why don't we all have HD video conferencing with our friends and family? They've got 720p video cameras in cellphones now. The only limiting factor now is bandwidth.
And if you think less than 1% of people in the US upload school work or send family photos you're insane.
You're using far too narrow of a definition of open source. You're referring to the GPL specifically.
Link to source. Out of context that means nothing. So one out of 1,000,000 SSDs produced failed in a year? That would be a far better failure rate than HDDs. Need more information for that statement to mean literally _anything_.
But if you'd like to use anecdotal evidence, I had a 2TB hard drive fail in 30 days. Also, as we all know, as hard drive capacities have increased so have failure rates (and dramatically). The lifespan of a 40GB hard drive from 2001 is literally meaningless in this discussion.
And if people like me weren't buying SSDs the entire market would be still-born and you'd have to wait 10 years for it to take off.
Please stop perpetuating this myth. Look at the warranty and MTBF on SSDs. This is not an issue.
But, you need to realize that all drives die. You're just as likely (if not more) to have a HDD die as an SSD. Back up your files and then stop worrying about it. I've been using SSDs (from OCZ, both the Vertex and now a Vertex2) for well over a year and the difference in performance is staggering. Not one single problem so far. I've also had hard drives die within 30 days of purchase.
photoshop's manual is several hundred pages. the length of his explanation has nothing to do with the complexity of gimp. He offered not only his opinion and an explanation of the problem, but more than one solution, all in a handful of sentences. personally i've been using photoshop so long it's very difficult to transition to gimp.