Because most normal, sane, people aren't wacko nutjobs who OMG 1984 all the time like the majority of slashdot who read some book and think they see it in everything that the government does, all the while entirely missing the point of the book.
Its not okay for anyone to break the law willingly or knowingly.
Just because your neighbor beats his wife, does that make it okay for you to beat your wife? No, so stop trying to make it out like two rights make a wrong.
Yes, he should be treated like Manning, thats the punishment for doing what he did. If you don't like it, change the law, but you don't ignore the law just because YOU don't like it.
The reality of it is, lots of people see a small part of a big picture and think telling the world will make them a hero can make everyone happier, but thats just a fantasy.
You just stated that a man who violated his contract with people he agreed, openly, up front to not betray, to tell 'the world' what they already knew the NSA was doing (seriously, you're a fucking moron if this is news to you), is a hero in comparison to men who put everything they had on the line including their lives?
Snowden hasn't lost anything, hasn't risked his life, and is now about to be some foreign governments whore for a few months till their done with his information and put him in a hole somewhere.
He's not a hero, hero's do good things without having to think about it or take press interviews. He's just a guy who wanted Assange level attention.
Guess what, the US government invaded Iraq and Afghanistan... there, now I've done the same thing Snowden did, except I'm not violating a contract with my own government. Neither he, nor I, told anyone anything they didn't already know unless they lived in a box.
Whistleblowing only makes you a hero in certain cases, not just because you betrayed someones trust. Doing something useful is a prerequisite for being a hero.
You're an idiot if you think 'signing an internet petition' is speaking out. The only way you could put less effort into it is by not doing anything at all.
Its not unconstitutional until the supreme court says so. You don't define unconstitutional. Thats the way we run our government. If you disagree, get voters to change it, but you don't get to redefine the words any more than the government does.
Other than a few people freaking out like yourself and the rest of slashdot, there has been no reaction.
There certainly has been no backlash. He didn't even really say anything we didn't already know and have known for years.
The US government isn't even trying hard to get him, thats why he's still talking and actually traveling. Its not like he's hard to find, he's freaking walking into the airport and traveling with a US passport for fucks sake. They JUST NOW revoked it. The DoJ barely bothered to file the extradition request with Hong Kong.
He may be 'wanted', but not very bad. He's as wanted as Assange, which is pretty much not at all unless you're a massive conspiracy moron.
First Orwell's "1984", now Kafka's "The Trial". What's next, Carrol's "Through The Looking Glass (Alice in Wonderland)"?
If you think we're in a 1984 state, you utterly failed to understand the point of the book. The fact that we're having this discussion is enough for you to know we're not in a 1984 state. Please stop trying to be trendy and anti-establishment by referring to books you either didn't read, or clearly don't understand.
Perhaps you've already taken one too many acid trips through the looking glass?
Because they were using Google Glass... which proves them stupid as there are existing superior methods of doing this sort of medicine and have been for at least 10 years.
Besides, since it uses Bluetooth they pretty much couldn't use any Android device could they? Wouldn't want it cutting out randomly due to shitty drivers. The inferior iPad is far more reliable in that aspect than anything you're trying to fanboy it up for.
next week "man shoots porno with google glass" well doh. how about an article about hacking the os and the native api's on the device instead? you know, something actually interesting..
I submitted using Google Glass for first person perspective porn to Google during the #IfIHadGlass contest, they didn't like it.
Yep, I was installing boxed systems that did this exact thing in southern Georgia in 2001. This isn't even a little bit new. They also had other cameras that tracked heads and would follow doctors around the room as needed for another view point.
They aren't buying an Android phone instead of an iPhone... they are buying a phone. What it runs they dont' give a shit about. The people buying it don't care and some don't even know. They are no different than people buying an old standard phone.
Did you read the article that linked too which pretty much showed their point was a joke, and the evidence was by a dinky developer with a grand total of 2 apps, both of which suck ass, the first of which was just flat out pathetic.
So yes, if you write shitty apps and intend to make your living by getting the low hanging fruit who by your app by mistake, then that article suggests Android would be a better choice.
As a developer, that article just pushes me further away.
Because its not the same as the actual newer OS? Why is this so hard to grasp? If the support library was a solution, why would you upgrade the OS at all?
It solves a limited set of problems, and it solves them poorly.
Those people buy a lot of apps... right? I imagine that people looking for dirt cheap android phones are the biggest app purchasers on the planet! Not.
Again, you miss the point of why developers target iOS rather than Android, and what they WWDC presentation was actually about.
I should add to that, I don't believe in going to destroy their country in a big invasion. I believe we should just leave them alone and let them kill themselves instead of trying to 'save them'.
These sort of problems resolve themselves fairly quickly without outside support. Evolution is a bitch.
And the people who live there aren't doing a fucking thing about it are they? Do you think they don't know who it is?
Why is it they I'm guilty for standing aside and watching a crime against humanity, but they are absolved?
If they had such a problem against it, they'd do something about it. They do not. They are only slightly different than the ones actually perform the bombings.
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By that logic, we shouldn't have prisons, jails, or laws in general, since they address the issue after the fact.
Because most normal, sane, people aren't wacko nutjobs who OMG 1984 all the time like the majority of slashdot who read some book and think they see it in everything that the government does, all the while entirely missing the point of the book.
Its not okay for anyone to break the law willingly or knowingly.
Just because your neighbor beats his wife, does that make it okay for you to beat your wife? No, so stop trying to make it out like two rights make a wrong.
Yes, he should be treated like Manning, thats the punishment for doing what he did. If you don't like it, change the law, but you don't ignore the law just because YOU don't like it.
The reality of it is, lots of people see a small part of a big picture and think telling the world will make them a hero can make everyone happier, but thats just a fantasy.
Wow, how times have changed.
You just stated that a man who violated his contract with people he agreed, openly, up front to not betray, to tell 'the world' what they already knew the NSA was doing (seriously, you're a fucking moron if this is news to you), is a hero in comparison to men who put everything they had on the line including their lives?
Snowden hasn't lost anything, hasn't risked his life, and is now about to be some foreign governments whore for a few months till their done with his information and put him in a hole somewhere.
He's not a hero, hero's do good things without having to think about it or take press interviews. He's just a guy who wanted Assange level attention.
Guess what, the US government invaded Iraq and Afghanistan ... there, now I've done the same thing Snowden did, except I'm not violating a contract with my own government. Neither he, nor I, told anyone anything they didn't already know unless they lived in a box.
Whistleblowing only makes you a hero in certain cases, not just because you betrayed someones trust. Doing something useful is a prerequisite for being a hero.
'Speak out' ... seriously?
You're an idiot if you think 'signing an internet petition' is speaking out. The only way you could put less effort into it is by not doing anything at all.
Wrong.
Its not unconstitutional until the supreme court says so. You don't define unconstitutional. Thats the way we run our government. If you disagree, get voters to change it, but you don't get to redefine the words any more than the government does.
What backlash?
Other than a few people freaking out like yourself and the rest of slashdot, there has been no reaction.
There certainly has been no backlash. He didn't even really say anything we didn't already know and have known for years.
The US government isn't even trying hard to get him, thats why he's still talking and actually traveling. Its not like he's hard to find, he's freaking walking into the airport and traveling with a US passport for fucks sake. They JUST NOW revoked it. The DoJ barely bothered to file the extradition request with Hong Kong.
He may be 'wanted', but not very bad. He's as wanted as Assange, which is pretty much not at all unless you're a massive conspiracy moron.
Right, because being Russia's bitch for 6 months before they are done with you and treat you as the traitor you are ... is a good thing.
The only thing any foreign government cares about with him is secrets. When thats done, so is he.
Uhm espionage is the act of a traitor. Do you understand what it is?
First Orwell's "1984", now Kafka's "The Trial". What's next, Carrol's "Through The Looking Glass (Alice in Wonderland)"?
If you think we're in a 1984 state, you utterly failed to understand the point of the book. The fact that we're having this discussion is enough for you to know we're not in a 1984 state. Please stop trying to be trendy and anti-establishment by referring to books you either didn't read, or clearly don't understand.
Perhaps you've already taken one too many acid trips through the looking glass?
There have been cameras in ORs recording whats going on in any hospital that isn't in the middle of Kenya for years.
This is in no way anything new.
Because they were using Google Glass ... which proves them stupid as there are existing superior methods of doing this sort of medicine and have been for at least 10 years.
Besides, since it uses Bluetooth they pretty much couldn't use any Android device could they? Wouldn't want it cutting out randomly due to shitty drivers. The inferior iPad is far more reliable in that aspect than anything you're trying to fanboy it up for.
next week "man shoots porno with google glass" well doh. how about an article about hacking the os and the native api's on the device instead? you know, something actually interesting..
I submitted using Google Glass for first person perspective porn to Google during the #IfIHadGlass contest, they didn't like it.
GoPro like cameras are already used in medicine. They already have head mounted cameras like the GoPro for this purpose.
Yep, I was installing boxed systems that did this exact thing in southern Georgia in 2001. This isn't even a little bit new. They also had other cameras that tracked heads and would follow doctors around the room as needed for another view point.
Telemedicine is old news.
Apple users and developers get excited about Apple announcements...
And android users don't. Do you get the point NOW?
And you've once again entirely missed the point.
They aren't buying an Android phone instead of an iPhone ... they are buying a phone. What it runs they dont' give a shit about. The people buying it don't care and some don't even know. They are no different than people buying an old standard phone.
Did you read the article that linked too which pretty much showed their point was a joke, and the evidence was by a dinky developer with a grand total of 2 apps, both of which suck ass, the first of which was just flat out pathetic.
So yes, if you write shitty apps and intend to make your living by getting the low hanging fruit who by your app by mistake, then that article suggests Android would be a better choice.
As a developer, that article just pushes me further away.
A mac mini costs $599, a iPod touch costs $200, and a $100 developer certificate.
But don't let comparing the same items to each other get in your way.
If you like Android, who cares what iOS costs? If you want to be a fanboy, just be a fanboy. Stop trying to justify yourself.
If you want to make money selling apps on mobile devices, then you target iOS. If you want to be a fanboy, just stick with Android.
Because its not the same as the actual newer OS? Why is this so hard to grasp? If the support library was a solution, why would you upgrade the OS at all?
It solves a limited set of problems, and it solves them poorly.
Those people buy a lot of apps ... right? I imagine that people looking for dirt cheap android phones are the biggest app purchasers on the planet! Not.
Again, you miss the point of why developers target iOS rather than Android, and what they WWDC presentation was actually about.
Really? Do you suck that much as a developer? I have an app that runs on iOS 3.0 all the way through 7.0.
Its no different than any other OS, it just requires you actually have a clue.
Do you not know about lazy linking or something? Whats the problem? I can't imagine what you think prevents it from being possible.
So because there are bad cops, should we abolish all police forces? Because there are bad doctors, we do away with modern medicine?
Your response flags you as a ignorant over-reacting moron who doesn't understand the way the world works.
I should add to that, I don't believe in going to destroy their country in a big invasion. I believe we should just leave them alone and let them kill themselves instead of trying to 'save them'.
These sort of problems resolve themselves fairly quickly without outside support. Evolution is a bitch.
And the people who live there aren't doing a fucking thing about it are they? Do you think they don't know who it is?
Why is it they I'm guilty for standing aside and watching a crime against humanity, but they are absolved?
If they had such a problem against it, they'd do something about it. They do not. They are only slightly different than the ones actually perform the bombings.