Because given an amount of effort put forth by the developer, we'll call it X, you will get Y return on your investment.
With Android, the ratio of X to Y is always less favorable to the developer than it is on iOS.
So unless you have saturated the iOS market completely, it is always more profitable to work on saturating the iOS market.
As a result, Android will always have the lower quality app as the quality developers will continue to focus on iOS where they can make the most money. Lets face it, the bright ones aren't going to be making the least money possible.
It is an excuse, I agree, but its also an intelligent decision. Personally, I won't port to android because I can't stand lag. I admit it didn't bother me when I didn't know any better, but after I got used to it, I can't not use my iPhone now. Mind you, I also don't generally upgrade iOS until I have to as each new version of iOS tends to make older devices lag more often as they add weight to the OS, so I'm not trying to pretend Apple is lag free.
It would be just as "fragmented" a market and as much of a pain to write apps for.
No, it wouldn't be, because it isn't. The OS isn't software as you're thinking of it, but there most certainly is a set of design standards for a car that everyone follows more or less, and as such these cars are compatible with the rest of the world.
Thats why all cars pretty much take the same double DIN stereos.
Tires are all pretty standardized in a given class of cars.
Bolts and Nuts are standardized.
Pretty much all cars in a given geographic area will use a single common fuel source (gasoline, diesel, propane, whatever)
Batteries are pretty much all the same voltage
Width and wheelbase are pretty common and standard for an area and type of workload.
Pretty much everything in a car is 'standardized' so that everyone can work with everyone else and a level of interoperability exists so things can be interchanged.
Fragmentation is a pejorative, invented by Apple in an attempt to cast diversity in a bad light.
I assure you, I've been bitching about the retarded fragmentation in the OSS world since before Apple mattered again. Its cute that you try to spin it as a marketing ploy used by Apple, but every time you pretend Linux isn't a fragmented trash heap, you just make yourself look fanatical and not worth listening to. When you clearly aren't living in reality, no one else is going to bother listening to what you say.
All cars pretty much work the same way. You can pretty much install any stereo in any car and get all or very close to full functionality with off the shelf components. That is not true about Android or Linux, or computing in general. My windows app isn't going to run on Linux with a adaptor. It requires an entire car simulator and me to purchase an additional car (OS). Hell, my Linux app my not even work on YOUR Linux box.
Gas from every gas station will work in every car in the country and most others, there are choices, but in any given general area there is really only 1 type of main stream fuel for cars, some places have 2 primary types, with different grades of those so all you really have from any given gas station are one or two choices, 99% of the time its one type with the only difference being a quality of the gas that doesn't matter to most cars!
Cars are 'more diverse' in compatible options. Android is more diverse in that 'everyone does something different for no reason with no logic to why its that way'. When I install new seat covers or cars or even change the paint on my car, I dont' have to be concerned with the engine performance. Before I put new seat covers on android, the engine performance IS a concern cause apparently the wrong paint makes the whole UI lag to all hell. When I install a stereo in my car, its still going to have the horse power to generate electricity for the rest of the electronics so my dash isn't going to lag out and tell me I'm doing 45 when I'm really doing 65, but it wouldn't be even a little surprising for an Android device if you used one in the dash.
You don't see the word applied anywhere that your little bubble doesn't want it to be. You're trolling about Apple with pure ignorance of reality. You're trying to use a car analogy but are too stupid to realize that your analogy disproves your statement.
$100 says that your statement is 100% false in every example you can give me.
What you have stated is the theoretical premise of why Open Source rocks.
The reality of it is, that old software thats out of data probably won't even compile and build on your new OS, its certain that you're going to have shared library dependancies missing.
You're claiming 'I can run old Open Source software', when what you mean is 'I can go get a free updated copy of an old Open Source program that is still maintained and get THAT to compile on my modern machine'
And for reference, 10.7 doesn't uninstall the PPC emulator, it just doesn't install it out of the box, so if you had the PPC emulator before the upgrade, you had it afterwords and you can always reinstall it. And PPC only would have been OSX 10.4, another $50 says that I can pick pretty much any non-trivial OSS project released any time during 10.4's active sales life and it will not just compile and run out of the box on any modern Linux or *BSD.
You're trying to compare OmniGraffle 1.0 to OSS Software 5.0 and ignoring the fact that OmniGraffle 5.0 has been out for a year, you just aren't willing to pay for it.
So, what it boils down to has absolutely 0 to do with 'compatibility' or 'maintainability'. What you're talking about is 100% monetary. You don't want to pay anything to get the updates, your just hiding behind OSS as your excuse when that has nothing to do with it.
Mozilla is Netscape. They didn't actually do the job back in the 90s, they failed spectacularly and Microsoft proceeded to whip their asses.
Sun and AOL infused a bunch of money in the Netscape rejects that went on to reform Mozilla, and Mozilla is doing exactly the same thing as Netscape did.
The only difference is that now Mozilla releases the source, which the original Netscape did not, even though their source came from publicly funded research at a university.
The source to firefox is worthless for all practical purposes. Its not leading in any way, its worse than any other browser you can get for the platforms that matter in every conceivable way. Having the source makes exactly 0 long term difference. Long term, we'll all be dead, Firefox included, and some other batch of source will be used in its place for something that looks nothing like a web browser.
The fact that Firefox has taken so long to get to where it is, and other development project can pull together rendering engines in far less time just goes to show that Firefox's source isn't an asset. Which you'd know if you'd ever worked with it.
I have. Mozilla really is an example of how not to write software or run a software development company. No one is going to fix the shitty code for you if they stop fixing it, thats why there aren't any real forks of Firefox or Gecko, just wrappers. When people want to actually do something useful, they use some other code base, sometimes proprietary to display web pages.
You got 40MB writing to memory cache possibly, not the ZFS store.
I have a quad disk, 8 core, 8 GIG machine that ONLY does ZFS, Sustaining 40MB/s doesn't happen without special tuning, turning off write cache flushing and a whole bunch of other stuff... unless I stay in memory buffers. Once that 8 gig fills or the 30 second default timeout for ZFS to flush, the machine comes to a stand still while the disks are flushed, and at that point, the throughput rate drops well below 40MB/s since it is actually finally putting that data on disk.
Without compression and dedup, with possibly low end checksuming, you may be able to write that fast. With compression or checksuming, theres absolutely no way your processor is moving the data fast enough.
This is a well known and well documented set of issues. If you haven't experienced it, its only because you really aren't using your NAS under any sort of real work load.
Seriously, at this point on slashdot its been talked about enough that unless you bought your UID from someone, you should be fully aware of what it is from here alone.
FreeBSD is certainly alive and well with an actively developed implementation real zfs implementation.
Keep in mind however, ZFS with deduplication is not going to be a 'high performance' file system. You aren't going to use it for anything where latency is of any importance at all. It makes a pretty shitty VMware storage pool for instance, even with SSDs for log devices.
Its silly to consider anything else. You never actually wanted to run the current bastard child previously known as Solaris. Its actually proof that open sourcing a project can make it actually suck more than before hand. Linux is out since its silly license is so paranoid about someone using their precious code that they can't use anyone else's without arguing with each other about legality rather than actually do something useful. All you're left with is FreeBSD.
They're just saying that if people complain about your blatantly offensive PUBLIC picture that shows up on EVERYTHING your name is attached to on G+ then they'll make it not your public face anymore.
You're still more than welcome to post links about it to your friends or the public, or host it in your photo albums.
You just aren't allowed do it in such a way that it is forced to be viewed by others.
Example: A priest posts publically on G+ for whatever reason. He has thousands of followers that would most certainly find the gesture offensive. These people are not going to visit your personal profile pictures on their own. You may post a link to them, but users have to actively follow it to see the pictures, and they can NOT follow it again in the future.
Your primary profile photos however, will show up next to your posts. So you can simply post a comment on one of the priests' public posts and now everyone reading his posts will see your profile photo. You have effectively forced your photo to be viewed by people who didn't want to.
Google could just block your account all together if you did that as you're clearly an asshole who needs to be removed. Or, they could just remove the photo, sense you don't seem to be an asshole otherwise, maybe just dumb.
How would you expect to be treated if you were wearing a T-shirt that said 'Fuck You!' on it in the doctors office? At a restaurant? The grocery store? In a class full of 5th graders? Let me give you a hint, G+ is being nice.
G+ isn't intended as a hang out for angsty teenagers who think they have to show the world just how anti-WhateverYouArea/Have they are.
Sorry, you'll have to stick to facebook until you grow up.
They've grown to almost 70 million users. Comparing to Facebook, myspace, and livejournal's growth rates, its hard to say that G+ is failing. Its growing more rapidly.
My experience however leads me to believe that everyone on Facebook is an immature twat, so in order to be active on facebook, you must have immature twats in your friend list.
Facebook is for people who don't do shit and have a lot of free time around to fuck off on the Internet, reading and posting to others. Much like slashdot, which I might point out, is exactly why I post on slashdot and read it:)
I prefer the low flow of G+ as I have it now. I have it send me notifications because I get posts in spurts every few days from my actual friends. Only one of them posts ridiculously and since he has a kid now, he's down to almost normal as well. In his defense, he's a Google employee, so I think he's obligated to use it often:)
Facebook is just a steady stream of crap that I don't care about from people who don't have anything better to do than tell us about their mood every 30 minutes or giving us a play by play of the cats day.
But the dominate majority is american, so it doesn't matter. My company is global, we sold to 3 people in South Africa last year. Doesn't mean we design products for South Africans, since those 3 South African sales were worth the effort.
slashdot is global.
And 99.99999% of slashdot users recognize the finger as offensive. Plenty of people are pretending that its perfectly normal so they can rant about censorship, but everyone here most certainly recognizes it as offensive... of course thats because... most of slashdot's user base is from America, hence the bias towards... American nerd news.
it's like making a music store only catering to people who listen to Mozart.
Well, I don't know about Mozart specifically, but I can name a store that only sells Jimmy Buffet stuff. I can think of stores that only sell Jazz. I can think of lots of very successful businesses that are focused. I can't really name one non-massive company that isn't rather focused in one or two specific areas, well, at least I can't think of any that aren't failures.
there's a wide difference with offering a social network and offering a community interaction site too
Yep, but for the most part, we're all humans with the same basic wants and needs. The differences in cultures are not that big in the grand scheme of things, even if you and a few others like you try to blow them out of proportion. Most people have the common sense to not be offended by someone elses ignorance in regard to gestures. There are of course fanatics, mostly the religious type that go to extremes but you can't really cater to them either. Most people won't take offense when a foreigner makes a gesture that is offensive to them since they know the foreigner might be ignorant of their culture. Most people have common sense, thats how they survive in the world. The worst that happens is they say 'stupid Americans' and then they don't get bothered about it anymore.
However, when that stupid American makes it clear they understand the gesture they are making is offensive and they do it intentionally, well that changes things.
(the realname debacle implies that too).
Google has chosen not to be a platform for you to use to remain anonymous. They didn't do it because they wanted your real name. They already know your real name, with the amount of data they get, its trivial for them to figure out exactly who you are.
Why they made that choice, I don't know. Perhaps they don't want to get involved in political issues where people like the Chinese speak out against their country and hide behind Google. They at least are making it clear they you will not be hidden and thats not what G+ is about. G+ is about your real identity being known, if you don't like that, its not for you.
I like it. I really don't have a problem with it, perhaps its because I stopped doing things that embarrassed me or that I wanted to hide from other people. I realize now that people are also a lot less likely to be dicks if their real name is attached, plenty of people are still dicks, but there are fewer of them.
Computer courage is a funny thing. People will do amazing shit if they think people won't realize its them.
who the fuck really gets offended by a strangers middle finger on the internet?
Me. Well, not really, but I don't really need to see your finger so you can show me that your a douche bag because you think the first thing people should see about you is the finger.
We're talking about someone who is intentionally putting a KNOWN offensive gesture on the first thing you see about the person, it shows up everywhere.
We're not talking about doing something that may be misconstrued. No one uses the finger in any way except to mean fuck
Except they could easily detect your script, they already have provisions for detecting automation that you're going to have to defeat first. I've tried, its certainly not impossible but its non-trivial to do for any extended number of requests.
And its unlikely that one 'flagging' would trigger them to look at it, it probably requires multiple people flagging it to matter.
Google has dealt with trolls far better than you for years. Hell, I've dealt with trolls far better than you for years and I'm a nobody.
What idiots do you think are going to pick up on the buggy ass pile of crap you guys produce instead of something actually useful for cross platform development? Who's 'standard' are you using? Inventing your own? Awesome thats what we need more crappy incomplete APIs in an 'open' web.
You'd think at 100 million you could have bad at least a browser that didn't fucking suck more and more every release.
You can't make a browser that doesn't suck, what the fuck makes you think you should develop more crap instead of FIXING YOUR CORE PRODUCT.
For reference: We used to embed gecko for rendering in a cross platform environment. I know a fair amount of the details under the hood as I managed to actually embed it in a functional way, which is amazing considering the garbage heap collection of documents you guys call 'Documentation', most of which just says 'this is out of data and may be inaccurate' which actually means 'we didn't bother to actually determine if this is current or not, we just marked it cause its old'
Much like most others that embedded gecko at one point, we switched to webkit and decided it would be well worth rewriting our UI in native code for each platform than it was to bother with Gecko and its massive dependancies, size and clearly mismanaged direction.
You guys are a joke. You take in a fortune in cash and your production is pathetic by comparison. Your yearly financials show that your an extremely wasteful and horribly run organization. How the hell can you even come in here and speak considering how pathetic Mozilla is acting these days? Are you guys that oblivious to the way everyone else in the world sees you these days?
The userbase that google pays you for, that allows you to exist, is not the OSS zealots who worshipped FF in the beginning, their normal people who won't keep using your product JUST because its open source, they don't care and your numbers reflect it. Good luck enjoying the ride into irrelevance until you get some management and development leadership that has a clue.
You fail to understand how a company like Samsung works. It is an Asian conglomerate corporation.
The component manufacturing side probably isn't really the same company that sells tablets.
Grandpa started samsung, then little nephew tommy wanted to start a consumer devices business so gradpa funded him a bit, takes a cut off the top, and lets him ride on his existing name.
Okay, so a Korean named Tommy is unlikely, but the point remains.
When you say 'Sony' or 'Honda' or 'Mitsubishi' or 'Samsung' or any of the thousands of other conglomerates you're really not specifying a single company but a group of companies that just don't sue each other over names and probably share board members or other management. They really are entirely different companies however.
Irony: Firefox fan supporting XPCOM... who probably rants about ActiveX.
XUL and XPCOM are both bad knock offs of existing technologies.
The fact that their entire browser and extension system are based on it is due to bad design, not something they want to keep around. These two 'features' are in fact some of Gecko's biggest performance problems, that coupled with the idea that it was smart to write most everything in JavaScript.
Mozilla is dual licensed almost everywhere. Tri-licensed for a good portion of thing and I'm not aware of anything inside Gecko itself that is GPL only. Some firefox bits are.
People used to embed Gecko in several proprietary apps. Go look at their list. Plenty of 100% closed source apps on their own pages so you don't even have to bother finding the licenses.
No one can 'take it private'. Of course, thats true with any open source code. You CAN NOT take open source code private ever, unless you invent a time machine maybe. You can not release no code under the existing license, but you can't exactly take it back once you put it out there, so your point here is non-existent. Oh, and one more thing... its fucking LGPL already for the most part. Your a GPL zealot too stupid to know what uses GPL.
Where you really get stupid is when you start talking about making a GPL fork of Webkit. Great so you have a small camp of GPL zealots using a webkit fork, and the rest of the world sharing in Webkit proper. So while Mozilla will releases weekly builds with new version numbers and still not actually add new features or fix bugs, likely just introducing more to their fork. All because you don't want the potential for someone to make money off of code that you have 0 involvement with and aren't paying a dime to support... you want to cut off the guys who feed the ridiculously overpaid incompetent Mozilla developers and management using money they provided.
And this last point my friends, is why companies hate GPL and its supporters. You guys are obnoxious to deal with and will do anything you can to stab yourselves in the eye. Why do you think anyone would want to play with you guys, if you can't have it your way you don't want it to exist. You guys apparently didn't socialize enough in school to realize that no one likes to play with that asshole.
in the first place. Pretty much everything they do borders on criminal activity and fucking over people. The only people who use them intelligently are the scammers (which includes squatters) and thats only because they are cheap and common company for each other.
If you host your name with Go Daddy, you pretty much deserve to be treated like shit. Their commercials alone are enough to prove my point.
Short of the kernel... which they stopped releasing the source too since it kept being used to easily work around the OSX license restriction, they release the source mods to pretty much everything they use. Certainly all of their gpl stuff and various other licenses as well.
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Because given an amount of effort put forth by the developer, we'll call it X, you will get Y return on your investment.
With Android, the ratio of X to Y is always less favorable to the developer than it is on iOS.
So unless you have saturated the iOS market completely, it is always more profitable to work on saturating the iOS market.
As a result, Android will always have the lower quality app as the quality developers will continue to focus on iOS where they can make the most money. Lets face it, the bright ones aren't going to be making the least money possible.
It is an excuse, I agree, but its also an intelligent decision. Personally, I won't port to android because I can't stand lag. I admit it didn't bother me when I didn't know any better, but after I got used to it, I can't not use my iPhone now. Mind you, I also don't generally upgrade iOS until I have to as each new version of iOS tends to make older devices lag more often as they add weight to the OS, so I'm not trying to pretend Apple is lag free.
It would be just as "fragmented" a market and as much of a pain to write apps for.
No, it wouldn't be, because it isn't. The OS isn't software as you're thinking of it, but there most certainly is a set of design standards for a car that everyone follows more or less, and as such these cars are compatible with the rest of the world.
Thats why all cars pretty much take the same double DIN stereos.
Tires are all pretty standardized in a given class of cars.
Bolts and Nuts are standardized.
Pretty much all cars in a given geographic area will use a single common fuel source (gasoline, diesel, propane, whatever)
Batteries are pretty much all the same voltage
Width and wheelbase are pretty common and standard for an area and type of workload.
Pretty much everything in a car is 'standardized' so that everyone can work with everyone else and a level of interoperability exists so things can be interchanged.
Fragmentation is a pejorative, invented by Apple in an attempt to cast diversity in a bad light.
I assure you, I've been bitching about the retarded fragmentation in the OSS world since before Apple mattered again. Its cute that you try to spin it as a marketing ploy used by Apple, but every time you pretend Linux isn't a fragmented trash heap, you just make yourself look fanatical and not worth listening to. When you clearly aren't living in reality, no one else is going to bother listening to what you say.
All cars pretty much work the same way. You can pretty much install any stereo in any car and get all or very close to full functionality with off the shelf components. That is not true about Android or Linux, or computing in general. My windows app isn't going to run on Linux with a adaptor. It requires an entire car simulator and me to purchase an additional car (OS). Hell, my Linux app my not even work on YOUR Linux box.
Gas from every gas station will work in every car in the country and most others, there are choices, but in any given general area there is really only 1 type of main stream fuel for cars, some places have 2 primary types, with different grades of those so all you really have from any given gas station are one or two choices, 99% of the time its one type with the only difference being a quality of the gas that doesn't matter to most cars!
Cars are 'more diverse' in compatible options. Android is more diverse in that 'everyone does something different for no reason with no logic to why its that way'. When I install new seat covers or cars or even change the paint on my car, I dont' have to be concerned with the engine performance. Before I put new seat covers on android, the engine performance IS a concern cause apparently the wrong paint makes the whole UI lag to all hell. When I install a stereo in my car, its still going to have the horse power to generate electricity for the rest of the electronics so my dash isn't going to lag out and tell me I'm doing 45 when I'm really doing 65, but it wouldn't be even a little surprising for an Android device if you used one in the dash.
You don't see the word applied anywhere that your little bubble doesn't want it to be. You're trolling about Apple with pure ignorance of reality. You're trying to use a car analogy but are too stupid to realize that your analogy disproves your statement.
$100 says that your statement is 100% false in every example you can give me.
What you have stated is the theoretical premise of why Open Source rocks.
The reality of it is, that old software thats out of data probably won't even compile and build on your new OS, its certain that you're going to have shared library dependancies missing.
You're claiming 'I can run old Open Source software', when what you mean is 'I can go get a free updated copy of an old Open Source program that is still maintained and get THAT to compile on my modern machine'
And for reference, 10.7 doesn't uninstall the PPC emulator, it just doesn't install it out of the box, so if you had the PPC emulator before the upgrade, you had it afterwords and you can always reinstall it. And PPC only would have been OSX 10.4, another $50 says that I can pick pretty much any non-trivial OSS project released any time during 10.4's active sales life and it will not just compile and run out of the box on any modern Linux or *BSD.
You're trying to compare OmniGraffle 1.0 to OSS Software 5.0 and ignoring the fact that OmniGraffle 5.0 has been out for a year, you just aren't willing to pay for it.
So, what it boils down to has absolutely 0 to do with 'compatibility' or 'maintainability'. What you're talking about is 100% monetary. You don't want to pay anything to get the updates, your just hiding behind OSS as your excuse when that has nothing to do with it.
Mozilla is Netscape. They didn't actually do the job back in the 90s, they failed spectacularly and Microsoft proceeded to whip their asses.
Sun and AOL infused a bunch of money in the Netscape rejects that went on to reform Mozilla, and Mozilla is doing exactly the same thing as Netscape did.
The only difference is that now Mozilla releases the source, which the original Netscape did not, even though their source came from publicly funded research at a university.
The source to firefox is worthless for all practical purposes. Its not leading in any way, its worse than any other browser you can get for the platforms that matter in every conceivable way. Having the source makes exactly 0 long term difference. Long term, we'll all be dead, Firefox included, and some other batch of source will be used in its place for something that looks nothing like a web browser.
The fact that Firefox has taken so long to get to where it is, and other development project can pull together rendering engines in far less time just goes to show that Firefox's source isn't an asset. Which you'd know if you'd ever worked with it.
I have. Mozilla really is an example of how not to write software or run a software development company. No one is going to fix the shitty code for you if they stop fixing it, thats why there aren't any real forks of Firefox or Gecko, just wrappers. When people want to actually do something useful, they use some other code base, sometimes proprietary to display web pages.
Debian x86_64 on a relatively old PC.
Relatively old ... 64 bit ...
Seriously?
No you didn't.
You got 40MB writing to memory cache possibly, not the ZFS store.
I have a quad disk, 8 core, 8 GIG machine that ONLY does ZFS, Sustaining 40MB/s doesn't happen without special tuning, turning off write cache flushing and a whole bunch of other stuff ... unless I stay in memory buffers. Once that 8 gig fills or the 30 second default timeout for ZFS to flush, the machine comes to a stand still while the disks are flushed, and at that point, the throughput rate drops well below 40MB/s since it is actually finally putting that data on disk.
Without compression and dedup, with possibly low end checksuming, you may be able to write that fast. With compression or checksuming, theres absolutely no way your processor is moving the data fast enough.
This is a well known and well documented set of issues. If you haven't experienced it, its only because you really aren't using your NAS under any sort of real work load.
Seriously, at this point on slashdot its been talked about enough that unless you bought your UID from someone, you should be fully aware of what it is from here alone.
FreeBSD is certainly alive and well with an actively developed implementation real zfs implementation.
Keep in mind however, ZFS with deduplication is not going to be a 'high performance' file system. You aren't going to use it for anything where latency is of any importance at all. It makes a pretty shitty VMware storage pool for instance, even with SSDs for log devices.
Its silly to consider anything else. You never actually wanted to run the current bastard child previously known as Solaris. Its actually proof that open sourcing a project can make it actually suck more than before hand. Linux is out since its silly license is so paranoid about someone using their precious code that they can't use anyone else's without arguing with each other about legality rather than actually do something useful. All you're left with is FreeBSD.
Nope.
They're just saying that if people complain about your blatantly offensive PUBLIC picture that shows up on EVERYTHING your name is attached to on G+ then they'll make it not your public face anymore.
You're still more than welcome to post links about it to your friends or the public, or host it in your photo albums.
You just aren't allowed do it in such a way that it is forced to be viewed by others.
Example: A priest posts publically on G+ for whatever reason. He has thousands of followers that would most certainly find the gesture offensive. These people are not going to visit your personal profile pictures on their own. You may post a link to them, but users have to actively follow it to see the pictures, and they can NOT follow it again in the future.
Your primary profile photos however, will show up next to your posts. So you can simply post a comment on one of the priests' public posts and now everyone reading his posts will see your profile photo. You have effectively forced your photo to be viewed by people who didn't want to.
Google could just block your account all together if you did that as you're clearly an asshole who needs to be removed. Or, they could just remove the photo, sense you don't seem to be an asshole otherwise, maybe just dumb.
How would you expect to be treated if you were wearing a T-shirt that said 'Fuck You!' on it in the doctors office? At a restaurant? The grocery store? In a class full of 5th graders? Let me give you a hint, G+ is being nice.
G+ isn't intended as a hang out for angsty teenagers who think they have to show the world just how anti-WhateverYouArea/Have they are.
Sorry, you'll have to stick to facebook until you grow up.
They've grown to almost 70 million users. Comparing to Facebook, myspace, and livejournal's growth rates, its hard to say that G+ is failing. Its growing more rapidly.
Well, true, you can have no friends on facebook.
My experience however leads me to believe that everyone on Facebook is an immature twat, so in order to be active on facebook, you must have immature twats in your friend list.
Thats because G+ is for people who do shit.
Facebook is for people who don't do shit and have a lot of free time around to fuck off on the Internet, reading and posting to others. Much like slashdot, which I might point out, is exactly why I post on slashdot and read it :)
I prefer the low flow of G+ as I have it now. I have it send me notifications because I get posts in spurts every few days from my actual friends. Only one of them posts ridiculously and since he has a kid now, he's down to almost normal as well. In his defense, he's a Google employee, so I think he's obligated to use it often :)
Facebook is just a steady stream of crap that I don't care about from people who don't have anything better to do than tell us about their mood every 30 minutes or giving us a play by play of the cats day.
They don't need to silently go into your account and delete your middle finger.
Silent? Uhm, they sent an email explaining that THEY removed it and way.
Which, by the way, Twitter allows in its avatars.
Are you seriously trying to use twitter as an example for your side of the argument? Seriously?
facebook is global.
But the dominate majority is american, so it doesn't matter. My company is global, we sold to 3 people in South Africa last year. Doesn't mean we design products for South Africans, since those 3 South African sales were worth the effort.
slashdot is global.
And 99.99999% of slashdot users recognize the finger as offensive. Plenty of people are pretending that its perfectly normal so they can rant about censorship, but everyone here most certainly recognizes it as offensive ... of course thats because ... most of slashdot's user base is from America, hence the bias towards ... American nerd news.
it's like making a music store only catering to people who listen to Mozart.
Well, I don't know about Mozart specifically, but I can name a store that only sells Jimmy Buffet stuff. I can think of stores that only sell Jazz. I can think of lots of very successful businesses that are focused. I can't really name one non-massive company that isn't rather focused in one or two specific areas, well, at least I can't think of any that aren't failures.
there's a wide difference with offering a social network and offering a community interaction site too
Yep, but for the most part, we're all humans with the same basic wants and needs. The differences in cultures are not that big in the grand scheme of things, even if you and a few others like you try to blow them out of proportion. Most people have the common sense to not be offended by someone elses ignorance in regard to gestures. There are of course fanatics, mostly the religious type that go to extremes but you can't really cater to them either. Most people won't take offense when a foreigner makes a gesture that is offensive to them since they know the foreigner might be ignorant of their culture. Most people have common sense, thats how they survive in the world. The worst that happens is they say 'stupid Americans' and then they don't get bothered about it anymore.
However, when that stupid American makes it clear they understand the gesture they are making is offensive and they do it intentionally, well that changes things.
(the realname debacle implies that too).
Google has chosen not to be a platform for you to use to remain anonymous. They didn't do it because they wanted your real name. They already know your real name, with the amount of data they get, its trivial for them to figure out exactly who you are.
Why they made that choice, I don't know. Perhaps they don't want to get involved in political issues where people like the Chinese speak out against their country and hide behind Google. They at least are making it clear they you will not be hidden and thats not what G+ is about. G+ is about your real identity being known, if you don't like that, its not for you.
I like it. I really don't have a problem with it, perhaps its because I stopped doing things that embarrassed me or that I wanted to hide from other people. I realize now that people are also a lot less likely to be dicks if their real name is attached, plenty of people are still dicks, but there are fewer of them.
Computer courage is a funny thing. People will do amazing shit if they think people won't realize its them.
who the fuck really gets offended by a strangers middle finger on the internet?
Me. Well, not really, but I don't really need to see your finger so you can show me that your a douche bag because you think the first thing people should see about you is the finger.
We're talking about someone who is intentionally putting a KNOWN offensive gesture on the first thing you see about the person, it shows up everywhere.
We're not talking about doing something that may be misconstrued. No one uses the finger in any way except to mean fuck
Except they could easily detect your script, they already have provisions for detecting automation that you're going to have to defeat first. I've tried, its certainly not impossible but its non-trivial to do for any extended number of requests.
And its unlikely that one 'flagging' would trigger them to look at it, it probably requires multiple people flagging it to matter.
Google has dealt with trolls far better than you for years. Hell, I've dealt with trolls far better than you for years and I'm a nobody.
Then you are too young to be making comments if thats what you think an app store is.
Stores generally make money on purpose. Mozilla makes money on ignorance.
What idiots do you think are going to pick up on the buggy ass pile of crap you guys produce instead of something actually useful for cross platform development? Who's 'standard' are you using? Inventing your own? Awesome thats what we need more crappy incomplete APIs in an 'open' web.
You'd think at 100 million you could have bad at least a browser that didn't fucking suck more and more every release.
You can't make a browser that doesn't suck, what the fuck makes you think you should develop more crap instead of FIXING YOUR CORE PRODUCT.
For reference: We used to embed gecko for rendering in a cross platform environment. I know a fair amount of the details under the hood as I managed to actually embed it in a functional way, which is amazing considering the garbage heap collection of documents you guys call 'Documentation', most of which just says 'this is out of data and may be inaccurate' which actually means 'we didn't bother to actually determine if this is current or not, we just marked it cause its old'
Much like most others that embedded gecko at one point, we switched to webkit and decided it would be well worth rewriting our UI in native code for each platform than it was to bother with Gecko and its massive dependancies, size and clearly mismanaged direction.
You guys are a joke. You take in a fortune in cash and your production is pathetic by comparison. Your yearly financials show that your an extremely wasteful and horribly run organization. How the hell can you even come in here and speak considering how pathetic Mozilla is acting these days? Are you guys that oblivious to the way everyone else in the world sees you these days?
The userbase that google pays you for, that allows you to exist, is not the OSS zealots who worshipped FF in the beginning, their normal people who won't keep using your product JUST because its open source, they don't care and your numbers reflect it. Good luck enjoying the ride into irrelevance until you get some management and development leadership that has a clue.
Who decides what's civil? The population and society in general. That's where our laws, ethics, and manners come from. We define it.
We also (we being every older than an angsty teenager mentally probably agree by a large majority that the finger is not really going to be missed.
Your arguing just to argue. That's not productive to anyone.
You fail to understand how a company like Samsung works. It is an Asian conglomerate corporation.
The component manufacturing side probably isn't really the same company that sells tablets.
Grandpa started samsung, then little nephew tommy wanted to start a consumer devices business so gradpa funded him a bit, takes a cut off the top, and lets him ride on his existing name.
Okay, so a Korean named Tommy is unlikely, but the point remains.
When you say 'Sony' or 'Honda' or 'Mitsubishi' or 'Samsung' or any of the thousands of other conglomerates you're really not specifying a single company but a group of companies that just don't sue each other over names and probably share board members or other management. They really are entirely different companies however.
Irony: Firefox fan supporting XPCOM ... who probably rants about ActiveX.
XUL and XPCOM are both bad knock offs of existing technologies.
The fact that their entire browser and extension system are based on it is due to bad design, not something they want to keep around. These two 'features' are in fact some of Gecko's biggest performance problems, that coupled with the idea that it was smart to write most everything in JavaScript.
Mozilla is dual licensed almost everywhere. Tri-licensed for a good portion of thing and I'm not aware of anything inside Gecko itself that is GPL only. Some firefox bits are.
People used to embed Gecko in several proprietary apps. Go look at their list. Plenty of 100% closed source apps on their own pages so you don't even have to bother finding the licenses.
No one can 'take it private'. Of course, thats true with any open source code. You CAN NOT take open source code private ever, unless you invent a time machine maybe. You can not release no code under the existing license, but you can't exactly take it back once you put it out there, so your point here is non-existent. Oh, and one more thing ... its fucking LGPL already for the most part. Your a GPL zealot too stupid to know what uses GPL.
Where you really get stupid is when you start talking about making a GPL fork of Webkit. Great so you have a small camp of GPL zealots using a webkit fork, and the rest of the world sharing in Webkit proper. So while Mozilla will releases weekly builds with new version numbers and still not actually add new features or fix bugs, likely just introducing more to their fork. All because you don't want the potential for someone to make money off of code that you have 0 involvement with and aren't paying a dime to support ... you want to cut off the guys who feed the ridiculously overpaid incompetent Mozilla developers and management using money they provided.
And this last point my friends, is why companies hate GPL and its supporters. You guys are obnoxious to deal with and will do anything you can to stab yourselves in the eye. Why do you think anyone would want to play with you guys, if you can't have it your way you don't want it to exist. You guys apparently didn't socialize enough in school to realize that no one likes to play with that asshole.
in the first place. Pretty much everything they do borders on criminal activity and fucking over people. The only people who use them intelligently are the scammers (which includes squatters) and thats only because they are cheap and common company for each other.
If you host your name with Go Daddy, you pretty much deserve to be treated like shit. Their commercials alone are enough to prove my point.
You really should go read the first paragraph ... where it explicitly states that falsely shouting fire in a theater is the point and is punishable.
Short of the kernel ... which they stopped releasing the source too since it kept being used to easily work around the OSX license restriction, they release the source mods to pretty much everything they use. Certainly all of their gpl stuff and various other licenses as well.
http://www.apple.com/opensource/
Who doesn't know this?