You've already told us you're going to delete it to avoid court issues. Thats all thats needed. You told us you were going to break the law, and you've been told doing so now would be clearly illegal and indicative of you trying to avoid evidence being brought into court... you have basically given the person you're divorcing a loaded gun, already held up to your head for them to legally pull the trigger on.
You aren't being imprisoned because you deleted your Facebook account, it really blows me away that you think thats what its about.
You would be imprisoned for intentionally destroying evidence and the proof that you intentionally destroyed evidence is this discussion you're having now about how to do it and get by with it. Judges don't like when people try to cheat/sneak around the law. They tend to spank idiots like you who think you're going to be clever to avoid the law.
You WILL NOT BEAT THE JUDGE BY TRYING TO BE CLEVER. All you're going to do is piss the judge off, and thats going to get you the short end of the stick.
Why do you think that some trivial little solution to the problem that you took all of 3 seconds to think of is something they've never seen before or had to deal with before. Do you REALLY think you're going to think of something they haven't seen... and made a law specifically to avoid it in the future... 10,000 times before?
The sneaker you try to be, the harder you're going to get fucked. They detect and stop people trying to do shit like you're talking about everyday. That is their job. And you think you're going to pull one over on them? Seriously?
So, just for reference, you've not made it so that if at any point you delete your facebook profile you are intentionally destroying evidence to avoid it in court, which in and of itself is probably far more damaging than anything on Facebook.
If I'm wrong, and you did put something more damaging on Facebook, then you're just a fucking moron who gets what he deserves for posting illegal shit the Internet and not expecting it to bite you in the ass later.
Either way, I'm fairly certain you're going to get raped in your divorce and you'll probably deserve it, the fact that your posting shit like this on slashdot just shows how much of a douche bag you are.
No, its not the courts job to protect idiots. The only people being hurt by these sorts of issues are those directly involved and in that case, then there is a lesson to be learned and this is how they can learn it.
Gee, I don't know...how about the fact that he's a judge and SHOULD know if what he's handing down as a court order violates anything
Its cute how you think a ToS is something someone somewhere cares about. Its not law, its not even a binding contract. The judge doesn't care about the Facebook ToS because he overrides it.
Companies don't get to override the law, no contract (in America) part can be held binding if it is against the law. Look up how slavery was outlawed as written into law.
the fact that actions like this will set precedent
Setting precedent requires you to be the first to do it. He isn't. Not even close. This is just a continuation of typical divorce proceedings and Facebook is just one more thing in the loop. Judges have been ordering divorcing couples to share info for thousands(?) of years, Facebook's silly little ToS doesn't override common sense, practicality, or most importantly in this case, the law.
He's treading on thin ice with this one. What's next, swapping bank account info?
Already pretty much standard practice in a divorce case so both sides lawyers can figure out which one is paying for everything. Who owes how much child support or alimony. Which by the way, that information in most cases is legally obtainable by the other one because you are married. You shouldn't have gotten married to someone you didn't plan on sharing everything with. You're legally bound to do so at this point, just like they are also legally bound for certain mistakes you make.
And if the two laymen involved in a divorce case are basically being tasked to "snoop" on the other and find out every bit of information, then what the hell is anyone paying a highly educated divorce attorney for...
The divorce attorney is acting on behalf of the people getting divorced. The judge doesn't ever tell the lawyer to do anything, he tells the litigants to do shit, and the lawyers do it on their behalf. If you want the lawyer to do the snooping, then you can pay him to do so.
If you didn't want to end up with your soon to be ex-wife/husband having access to your Facebook account during the divorce then you might want to consider who you marry, not expect the courts to protect you. When you got married you agreed that BY LAW for MANY PURPOSES that there is no YOU, only US, and this is one of the consequences of your choice. Don't get married if the risk is something you're not willing to take. Its not the courts job to fix your bad life choices.
I'm fairly certain you have absolutely no idea what so ever about anything related to divorce or legal proceedings in general. Its really scary how little you know about how your country works.
And the court will follow up with an order compelling facebook to make the data available to the court, oh, and they don't actually give a fuck about your account, thats just an excuse to use as an option to turn people off as needed.
Its cute how you think you're going to out smart the legal system because of some silly ToS. You do realize the law tramps anything in Facebook's retarded ToS, right?
And then you'd be found guilty of contempt of court and possibly destruction of evidence, which is almost certainly far worse than getting caught cheating because your dumbass posted it on your FB page for the world to see.
I wonder if Judge Shluger is aware that his order violates Facebook’s TOS
Facebook's TOS stops applying where the Judge's order starts. Facebook's rules are always overridden by laws. This isn't difficult. Company rules have to follow the law, even when the law is changed right underneath them for something like this.
Because all of those things suck on a TV? Even in HD. No one listens to music on their TV, we have other devices far better at it than that. Mail, Calendar? To hard to read. Maps? No practical usefulness beyond settling an argument over what is how far from someplace on a big display. You're going to use your PC and print it or use your phone/GPS on the road.
Except, in your snarky ignorance, you forgot to point out that it isnt' selling millions and they treat it more or less like its going away sometime in the near future.
If you're going to play the 'reality distortion field' card, you need to at least consider how well the product sells before doing so. You just look like an idiot in this case.
You want Windows Media Center with TV capture cards and XBox 360s as extenders. Its simply the best setup you can find at this point in time. Of course, it'll take you a few years of not paying for a shitty comcast DVR, but if you already have a PC capable of running it and some Xbox 360s, its not that bad.
You can get a third-party remote with fewer buttons for $5 or something. You want to pay Apple $2000 for a TV instead?
Yes, because for some reasons Apple seems to be the only company that can make things functional without 65 buttons to do the job.
Its cute that you're trying to be snarky and show your superiority over others, but all you're actually doing is show that you really just don't fucking get it.
It doesn't stop people from watching and enjoying TV in general.
Actually, it does, often, and if you didn't have your head so far up your own ass sniffing your own farts you'd know this.
Many people don't do things their existing television/cable box setup allows them to do because they are intimidated by the choices in front of them and are afraid of getting the devices into a state which they can't get out of and which is unproductive for them (i.e. no watching TV). As has been stated in multiple other posts in this thread, TV interfaces suck ass.
Just because you're too arrogant and ignorant to realize how shitty the interface is, that doesn't make it any less shitty, it just makes you an ass. Most other people have more important things in their lives than spending a fair amount of effort understanding their television control interfaces... JUST like they don't want to fuck around learning Linux because YOU think its king shit. The entire world doesn't revolve around how you.
Since they have yet to put DVR capabilities into the existing 'AppleTV' product, nor allowed any way to add them on, I wouldn't bet on that right at this point in time.
Because the code is a tiny little part of an MMO and is almost entirely worthless by itself.
The artwork and continuing work that goes into MMOs is what makes them stay alive. Once you take that out of the equation, they turn into just big bugger less impressive versions of existing games.
MMOs require constant work, once it goes OSS you'll have 18 forks, all of which have 1 and a half guys working on it in their spare time, none of which have a large user base and they odds on the server being around on any given day are 50/50.
Simply put, without financial motivation, running an MMO is far too much work for the OSS community to handle. OSS people do things for their own enjoyment and suck at polishing things enough to be used in a game. Sorry to break it to you, but the OSS community can't do this sort of thing.
These are, however, not opt-in systems, and they have no opt-out.
You chose to opt-in when you didn't vote at the town hall meeting on the issue, and you can always opt-out by moving or getting it taken away by attending a town hall issue.
I know, I know, you're one of the 99% who thinks lazy bitching works to change the world rather than actually participating in your governmental processes.
Right after our local city crowed about how they could annoy everyone all at once at their whim, I called the company they said they had hired. The people there had absolutely no clue what I was talking about when I told them to remove my number from their system and never call it.
You freaked out like they were ruining your life because they bothered you so much... and they had bothered you SO MUCH at that point that the people who were bothering you had no fucking clue they were supposed to be bothering you.
You're just a douche. What will be funny as shit is when you get killed/maimed due to your own douchebaggedness (tm).
Thats because you want to use wikileaks for your own personal gain, much like Assange himself. Sorry, he'll do his best to insure you don't get to take any of his spotlight.
free health care in jail:) as I have no health insurance atm that would be really nice
The 'free health care' in jail is no better than what you already have. You can in fact, go to the emergancy room and get health care right this instant, its not even a little bit hard. You can in fact, tell them you have absolutely no intention of paying them... and they'll help you anyway! Now they aren't going to give you braces for your snaggly teeth, but neither will the prison doctors, so you must be rather fucking stupid to think going to jail is an upgrade to your existence. Any 'good' free thing you can get in jail, you can also get... for free... outside of jail... at better quality levels, even the bleeding asshole that goes with the gang raping you'll get.
Nothing, timothy's job is to find the most retarded, ass backwards, blatently wrong submissions possible, the post them with a summary written as if it were pure fact, but ended with a question mark.
Yea, TOR, the US Navy research project that the EFF created...
If you're going to paint them as useful for more than just lawsuits, at least pick stuff they actually did, not just something they happened to join into late in the game to play along.
And you are not the copyright holder, so your time and money is again, irrelevant.
What you can do is shut up and stop trying to claim you're being hurt because someone elses work is being used in a way you don't like.
ITS NOT YOUR CODE, YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO RIGHTS WHAT SO EVER OVER IT.
The fact that its GPL DOES NOT CHANGE THAT AT ALL, that only grants you the right to use someone elses code, not the right to demand how it is used.
We've established that YOU DID NOT COMMIT ANY OF THE CODE IN QUESTION because THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE THEIR NAMES ATTACHED TO THE COMMIT LOG SAID IT WAS FINE.
Too bad your opinion means absolutely jack shit because its not your software. You own the copyrights on the bits you committed, thats it, you don't own the copyrights on the rest of the kernel because you added a line.
Your not entitled to everything in the world just because someone slapped GPL on the chain somewhere. Dipshits like you give GPL a bad name.
Why would any bank stay in the country if we take the right to give bonuses?
Because the bonuses are just ridiculously icing on the ridiculously profitable cake that investment banking is. They'll still be rolling in cash and the alternatives they have to choose from have actual sane regulations to prevent them from doing the shit they are trying to do anyway.
Also weren't most of those 'risks' that banks took mandated by the laws at the time?
If be mandated by law at the time you actually mean mostly illegal by any sane persons perspective of the law, but unfortunately no one was shot for doing what they did because of a few loopholes.
Random people talking about silly things that won't actually be implemented anywhere is 'stuff that matters'? Funny, seems to be that its the exact opposite.
One might consider not getting sued for malpractice a 'bonus'. I'm sure M.J.'s doctor would have considered it a bonus for not killing the King of Pop./troll Sorry, couldn't resist.
When means you haven't got to the point where you have enough shares to override them.
The problem is, by the time you get that number of shares, you've changed your world view to the point that you feel like holding onto the value of those shares and you become of the people you don't want to be.
Bullshit. Their stress is nothing compared to what we routinely ask soldiers, detectives, judges, and other people to do for a fraction of the pay.
You're posting this on a website full of people who think sitting at their desk typing commands into a terminal window is stressful because their boss might get mad at them... this group has no idea of what REAL stress... like that of doctors and soldiers... where people live and die by their hands... do.
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You've already told us you're going to delete it to avoid court issues. Thats all thats needed. You told us you were going to break the law, and you've been told doing so now would be clearly illegal and indicative of you trying to avoid evidence being brought into court ... you have basically given the person you're divorcing a loaded gun, already held up to your head for them to legally pull the trigger on.
You aren't being imprisoned because you deleted your Facebook account, it really blows me away that you think thats what its about.
You would be imprisoned for intentionally destroying evidence and the proof that you intentionally destroyed evidence is this discussion you're having now about how to do it and get by with it. Judges don't like when people try to cheat/sneak around the law. They tend to spank idiots like you who think you're going to be clever to avoid the law.
You WILL NOT BEAT THE JUDGE BY TRYING TO BE CLEVER. All you're going to do is piss the judge off, and thats going to get you the short end of the stick.
Why do you think that some trivial little solution to the problem that you took all of 3 seconds to think of is something they've never seen before or had to deal with before. Do you REALLY think you're going to think of something they haven't seen ... and made a law specifically to avoid it in the future ... 10,000 times before?
The sneaker you try to be, the harder you're going to get fucked. They detect and stop people trying to do shit like you're talking about everyday. That is their job. And you think you're going to pull one over on them? Seriously?
So, just for reference, you've not made it so that if at any point you delete your facebook profile you are intentionally destroying evidence to avoid it in court, which in and of itself is probably far more damaging than anything on Facebook.
If I'm wrong, and you did put something more damaging on Facebook, then you're just a fucking moron who gets what he deserves for posting illegal shit the Internet and not expecting it to bite you in the ass later.
Either way, I'm fairly certain you're going to get raped in your divorce and you'll probably deserve it, the fact that your posting shit like this on slashdot just shows how much of a douche bag you are.
No, its not the courts job to protect idiots. The only people being hurt by these sorts of issues are those directly involved and in that case, then there is a lesson to be learned and this is how they can learn it.
Gee, I don't know...how about the fact that he's a judge and SHOULD know if what he's handing down as a court order violates anything
Its cute how you think a ToS is something someone somewhere cares about. Its not law, its not even a binding contract. The judge doesn't care about the Facebook ToS because he overrides it.
Companies don't get to override the law, no contract (in America) part can be held binding if it is against the law. Look up how slavery was outlawed as written into law.
the fact that actions like this will set precedent
Setting precedent requires you to be the first to do it. He isn't. Not even close. This is just a continuation of typical divorce proceedings and Facebook is just one more thing in the loop. Judges have been ordering divorcing couples to share info for thousands(?) of years, Facebook's silly little ToS doesn't override common sense, practicality, or most importantly in this case, the law.
He's treading on thin ice with this one. What's next, swapping bank account info?
Already pretty much standard practice in a divorce case so both sides lawyers can figure out which one is paying for everything. Who owes how much child support or alimony. Which by the way, that information in most cases is legally obtainable by the other one because you are married. You shouldn't have gotten married to someone you didn't plan on sharing everything with. You're legally bound to do so at this point, just like they are also legally bound for certain mistakes you make.
And if the two laymen involved in a divorce case are basically being tasked to "snoop" on the other and find out every bit of information, then what the hell is anyone paying a highly educated divorce attorney for...
The divorce attorney is acting on behalf of the people getting divorced. The judge doesn't ever tell the lawyer to do anything, he tells the litigants to do shit, and the lawyers do it on their behalf. If you want the lawyer to do the snooping, then you can pay him to do so.
If you didn't want to end up with your soon to be ex-wife/husband having access to your Facebook account during the divorce then you might want to consider who you marry, not expect the courts to protect you. When you got married you agreed that BY LAW for MANY PURPOSES that there is no YOU, only US, and this is one of the consequences of your choice. Don't get married if the risk is something you're not willing to take. Its not the courts job to fix your bad life choices.
I'm fairly certain you have absolutely no idea what so ever about anything related to divorce or legal proceedings in general. Its really scary how little you know about how your country works.
And the court will follow up with an order compelling facebook to make the data available to the court, oh, and they don't actually give a fuck about your account, thats just an excuse to use as an option to turn people off as needed.
Its cute how you think you're going to out smart the legal system because of some silly ToS. You do realize the law tramps anything in Facebook's retarded ToS, right?
And then you'd be found guilty of contempt of court and possibly destruction of evidence, which is almost certainly far worse than getting caught cheating because your dumbass posted it on your FB page for the world to see.
I wonder if Judge Shluger is aware that his order violates Facebook’s TOS
Facebook's TOS stops applying where the Judge's order starts. Facebook's rules are always overridden by laws. This isn't difficult. Company rules have to follow the law, even when the law is changed right underneath them for something like this.
Because all of those things suck on a TV? Even in HD. No one listens to music on their TV, we have other devices far better at it than that. Mail, Calendar? To hard to read. Maps? No practical usefulness beyond settling an argument over what is how far from someplace on a big display. You're going to use your PC and print it or use your phone/GPS on the road.
A TV is good for watching motion video, thats it.
Except, in your snarky ignorance, you forgot to point out that it isnt' selling millions and they treat it more or less like its going away sometime in the near future.
If you're going to play the 'reality distortion field' card, you need to at least consider how well the product sells before doing so. You just look like an idiot in this case.
You want Windows Media Center with TV capture cards and XBox 360s as extenders. Its simply the best setup you can find at this point in time. Of course, it'll take you a few years of not paying for a shitty comcast DVR, but if you already have a PC capable of running it and some Xbox 360s, its not that bad.
You can get a third-party remote with fewer buttons for $5 or something. You want to pay Apple $2000 for a TV instead?
Yes, because for some reasons Apple seems to be the only company that can make things functional without 65 buttons to do the job.
Its cute that you're trying to be snarky and show your superiority over others, but all you're actually doing is show that you really just don't fucking get it.
It doesn't stop people from watching and enjoying TV in general.
Actually, it does, often, and if you didn't have your head so far up your own ass sniffing your own farts you'd know this.
Many people don't do things their existing television/cable box setup allows them to do because they are intimidated by the choices in front of them and are afraid of getting the devices into a state which they can't get out of and which is unproductive for them (i.e. no watching TV). As has been stated in multiple other posts in this thread, TV interfaces suck ass.
Just because you're too arrogant and ignorant to realize how shitty the interface is, that doesn't make it any less shitty, it just makes you an ass. Most other people have more important things in their lives than spending a fair amount of effort understanding their television control interfaces ... JUST like they don't want to fuck around learning Linux because YOU think its king shit. The entire world doesn't revolve around how you.
Since they have yet to put DVR capabilities into the existing 'AppleTV' product, nor allowed any way to add them on, I wouldn't bet on that right at this point in time.
No DVR == No Go
Because the code is a tiny little part of an MMO and is almost entirely worthless by itself.
The artwork and continuing work that goes into MMOs is what makes them stay alive. Once you take that out of the equation, they turn into just big bugger less impressive versions of existing games.
MMOs require constant work, once it goes OSS you'll have 18 forks, all of which have 1 and a half guys working on it in their spare time, none of which have a large user base and they odds on the server being around on any given day are 50/50.
Simply put, without financial motivation, running an MMO is far too much work for the OSS community to handle. OSS people do things for their own enjoyment and suck at polishing things enough to be used in a game. Sorry to break it to you, but the OSS community can't do this sort of thing.
These are, however, not opt-in systems, and they have no opt-out.
You chose to opt-in when you didn't vote at the town hall meeting on the issue, and you can always opt-out by moving or getting it taken away by attending a town hall issue.
I know, I know, you're one of the 99% who thinks lazy bitching works to change the world rather than actually participating in your governmental processes.
Right after our local city crowed about how they could annoy everyone all at once at their whim, I called the company they said they had hired. The people there had absolutely no clue what I was talking about when I told them to remove my number from their system and never call it.
You freaked out like they were ruining your life because they bothered you so much ... and they had bothered you SO MUCH at that point that the people who were bothering you had no fucking clue they were supposed to be bothering you.
You're just a douche. What will be funny as shit is when you get killed/maimed due to your own douchebaggedness (tm).
I wouldn't mind martyr'ing myself for the cause..
Thats because you want to use wikileaks for your own personal gain, much like Assange himself. Sorry, he'll do his best to insure you don't get to take any of his spotlight.
free health care in jail :) as I have no health insurance atm that would be really nice
The 'free health care' in jail is no better than what you already have. You can in fact, go to the emergancy room and get health care right this instant, its not even a little bit hard. You can in fact, tell them you have absolutely no intention of paying them ... and they'll help you anyway! Now they aren't going to give you braces for your snaggly teeth, but neither will the prison doctors, so you must be rather fucking stupid to think going to jail is an upgrade to your existence. Any 'good' free thing you can get in jail, you can also get ... for free ... outside of jail ... at better quality levels, even the bleeding asshole that goes with the gang raping you'll get.
How much did they pay you to post this crap?
Nothing, timothy's job is to find the most retarded, ass backwards, blatently wrong submissions possible, the post them with a summary written as if it were pure fact, but ended with a question mark.
Yea, TOR, the US Navy research project that the EFF created ...
If you're going to paint them as useful for more than just lawsuits, at least pick stuff they actually did, not just something they happened to join into late in the game to play along.
Until I cut your poem out.
And you are not the copyright holder, so your time and money is again, irrelevant.
What you can do is shut up and stop trying to claim you're being hurt because someone elses work is being used in a way you don't like.
ITS NOT YOUR CODE, YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO RIGHTS WHAT SO EVER OVER IT.
The fact that its GPL DOES NOT CHANGE THAT AT ALL, that only grants you the right to use someone elses code, not the right to demand how it is used.
We've established that YOU DID NOT COMMIT ANY OF THE CODE IN QUESTION because THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE THEIR NAMES ATTACHED TO THE COMMIT LOG SAID IT WAS FINE.
In short shut the fuck up.
Too bad your opinion means absolutely jack shit because its not your software. You own the copyrights on the bits you committed, thats it, you don't own the copyrights on the rest of the kernel because you added a line.
Your not entitled to everything in the world just because someone slapped GPL on the chain somewhere. Dipshits like you give GPL a bad name.
Why would any bank stay in the country if we take the right to give bonuses?
Because the bonuses are just ridiculously icing on the ridiculously profitable cake that investment banking is. They'll still be rolling in cash and the alternatives they have to choose from have actual sane regulations to prevent them from doing the shit they are trying to do anyway.
Also weren't most of those 'risks' that banks took mandated by the laws at the time?
If be mandated by law at the time you actually mean mostly illegal by any sane persons perspective of the law, but unfortunately no one was shot for doing what they did because of a few loopholes.
Random people talking about silly things that won't actually be implemented anywhere is 'stuff that matters'? Funny, seems to be that its the exact opposite.
Depends on your definition of 'bonus'
One might consider not getting sued for malpractice a 'bonus'. I'm sure M.J.'s doctor would have considered it a bonus for not killing the King of Pop. /troll
Sorry, couldn't resist.
When means you haven't got to the point where you have enough shares to override them.
The problem is, by the time you get that number of shares, you've changed your world view to the point that you feel like holding onto the value of those shares and you become of the people you don't want to be.
Bullshit. Their stress is nothing compared to what we routinely ask soldiers, detectives, judges, and other people to do for a fraction of the pay.
You're posting this on a website full of people who think sitting at their desk typing commands into a terminal window is stressful because their boss might get mad at them ... this group has no idea of what REAL stress ... like that of doctors and soldiers ... where people live and die by their hands ... do.