In a device like this, I'm certain they can reverse the polarity on something for some useful purpose. Its just too complex for there not to be SOMETHING.
Scientific method didn't enable us to create technology, we were creating technology before the scientific method existed.
Stop warshiping science as if it were a god, and stop thinking you're so superior.
You aren't even following scientific method in your post. saying 'Cultures which treat women as property, for instance, are inferior cultures.' is purely an opinion, one for which you haven't provided any evidence to back it up at all, let alone any evidence that clearly illustrates your point, which you simply don't have since theres never been a controlled experiment to confirm the hypothesis either way.
You have an opinion, nothing more, certainly not a fact by any standard.
Scientific method is not bunk, but retards like yourself who use it in an argument but don't even understand it make the common person tend to think of it as bunk because as a general rule, the people who spout it generally don't know what the fuck they are talking about, you for example.
Do I think women should be owned? No, but that is my opinion, and there is absolutely no evidence to suggest its better, historically speaking, I think owning my wife would make it far easier for me to get laid.
Look, certain people warship people like Hawkings as if they are gods. For that reason, anything Hawking says is treated as the most intelligent statement ever said, even if it happenes to be an utterly retarded statement.
Guess you didn't bother to read the comments where he said 'the dell picture is just one I had, not one of their servers'
Salesforce's numbers are not impressive in the least with the knowledge provided. Now if they come back and say that the 1k servers is including all networking and storage equipment, I'll be a little more impressed. If they said they did it using 1k U s (as in rack space, total). Then I would be more inclined to want to know how they work. Otherwise, not impressive.
The kneejerk reaction you are seeing is because intelligent people know instantly that 'secret goverment project' regardless of who knew what before hand, means, as a general rule, you're going to have to keep your fucking mouth shut.
The reaction you are seeing is because appearently EVERYONE else in the world knows not to do this shit, except this guy, who claims he didn't know, which again, every who has worked with the government on these sorts of things knows is bullshit because they drill it into your head so many times it makes you sick.
The reaction is because EVERYONE IN THE WORLD realizes how sticky these situations are and how careful you have to be to cover your own ass, and when they see someone go to another country that has no problem stilling data from the US and makes no attempt to hide it, WITH DATA HE WAS TOLD NOT TO TALK ABOUT, and then he goes out of his way to show it to people, its not like he lost his laptop....
Sorry, rambling on... we react this way because the whole thing is so obviously an area where you'd be careful as fuck even if you were Forrest Gump, that we just don't accept an excuse and it does, in fact, appear to be blatant treason to anyone with 3 or more brain cells.
So then the goverment stops funding their research completely. They can revolt all they want, the goverment funds most univerisities anyway. Someone else will do the job, especially right now.
It may not be as good, but it'll get done.
And what happens to the people who revolted? They go somewhere else? Where they'll actually be killed for doing something like this? You think if one of the guys he talked to in China came to the US and did this, that they would go home and go to jail? heh, if by jail you mine a pine box, buried several feet in the ground, sure.
Most people in academia as a career are stupid, but they aren't THAT stupid.
Academia doesn't provide the smartest people on the planet, it provides the ones with the biggest egos and arrogance. The ones that think they set the rules. Occasionally, one of them proves to be useful to someone in a government or a company. So they do some work for them.
But the brilliant people, that do most of the work, you just don't know they are the brilliant people. They are already working in these positions, making good money and happy with their lives since they don't have this irrational need to show everyone absolutely every thing they've learned as an example of their ePenis (education penis).
Let them 'revolt'. Watch how well that works out for them, maybe a little reality would do them some good.
Did it not occur to you that he may have been working on something not posted in that first google result, or known in general, yet still related to plasma actuators?
I can find a shitload of information on the Internet and build my own jet aircraft. That doesn't mean I'll have the avionics or whatever little bits of information that really make our combat aircraft the amazing craft they are.
You don't spank a baby for giggling at butterflies, and you don't hold it accountable if you give it a gun and someone gets hurt. Simple as that.
Good thing the goverment doesn't let babies do this sort of thing then isn't it?
You DO however hold an adult accountable for their actions, guess what, you even do with children! You give them slack for the learning process, but you damn sure punish them when they know they did something wrong and did it anyway. Okay, YOU may not, but I do, and so do most parents.
Of course, we're not talking about a baby giggling at butterflies are we? We're talking about an adult, an educated one at that, who willfully ignored the rules that he no doubt read himself and had read to him multiple times and signed a document stating that he agreed to.
You punish severely, and make sure everyone else knows that saying 'I didn't know' is not an acceptable excuse at this level, ever.
What do you propose instead, we say 'bad boy!', smack him on the hand, and then act surprised when someone does it next week, says the same thing, gets off, and suddenly leaves for some random company where he has a few million sitting in a bank account?
To summarize this post, you should have simply said 'then he falls into the stupid' category.
I know one person who is not allowed to talk about what he did for several years of his life. He is still well respected and known in his field and those years don't come up very often for him, when they do, all it takes is a phone call to verify that he did indeed work for the government for several years and no they aren't allowed to tell what he did, but he's in good standing with them.
Maybe he's special, but I doubt it, my guess is when you're dealing the the technology at this level then it is accepted that there are going to be things you can't talk about and in fact is a good thing that you don't talk about it since then they can have a little more faith in you not telling everyone about their own little secrets.
Well, that and knowing that the guy will have no problem getting past the security requirements for big DOD contracts helps a tad bit to. This things can in fact be a goldmine for your career. Perhaps something else is preventing your collegues from getting jobs.
This guy won't get one because he's an idiot with a big mouth, they won't even get to his level of stupidity before turning him down.
What country do you live in? I'm sure it falls into one of two groups:
1) This would be considered treason, you'd simply be shot, if you were lucky you might get a trial first.
2) This wouldn't matter as the country realizes that it doesn't have anything worth keeping secret, so it doesn't bother with laws to deal with those situations.
Yes, I'm American. Yes, the entire EU does fall into one of those categories, before you rant about how it doesn't, do some research.
I really hate when the consitution and first amendment rights come up in a discussion like this.
Its absolutely retarded to imply that his first admendment right was violated in some way after he willingly entered a contract to which he was under no obligation to enter and would not be punished in any way for not entering it.
This isn't slavery, he wasn't going to be tortured, starved and left to die or killed intentionally if he didn't take the contract. He wasn't going to be shamed publically even. No one other than his friends would have ever had any idea that he even had the option if he said no.
But he didn't say no. He said yes. He agreed to work for them, for a good chunk of change I might add, and he agreed to keep his fucking mouth shut about it. He was specifically warned before AND AFTER that telling the students what he did was against the rules.
This is blatant disregard for his contractual obligations and his duty as an American citizen.
He's god damn lucky it was America. Most countries have no problem just shooting you for even the hint of something like this, which since he was warned just prior to committing the act, I would argue is practically treason. It was certainly willful disregard for his obligations.
You are failing as a citizen yourself in trying to bring the first amendment into this argument. Do not dirty the lines here by doing so.
This is CLEARLY someone disregarding the rules for the game they agreed to play by.
That is entirely different than being unable to speak your mind freely in any normal context without fear of retribution, which is what the first amendment is for. Its not a trump card to do whatever the fuck when ever you want regardless of the implications, and any person that is supposed to be 'educated' as much as this person should be well aware of that.
Don't compare this shit to real issues, you'll just make it that much easier to ignore the real issues as well by making this 'precedent'.
So true. PhDs are granted because you were someones bitch for 4+ years, nothing more. If anything one could argue that PhDs are given only to idiots who stay and deal with it rather than having the common sense to leave, get a job, and make twice as much than you will when you get out.
Okay, so if you are going into academia you're going to have to get a PhD since they have to self perpetuate.
And yes, I know a little about PhD programs. My family has 2 PhDs and my wife is a real doctor.
My god I would, all that money wasted listening to some pompous ass who actually knows very little of practical value. Its treason at the highest levels if you ask me.
Yea, I had top secret clearence at one point too, its a joke.
'Top Secret' clearance is given to just about anyone anywhere for anything, its not really that top secret.
To the goverment, 'Top Secret' is roughly the same as businesses who have rules against telling someone how much you make. No they don't want you to do it, but mostly because its a damn hassle to them afterwords, not because you'll actually know anything that matters or can't be found on the Internet already anyway.
Sorry to disappoint, but 'Top Secret' isn't anything like you see in the movies guys.
You do realize that with SQL can order your data, right? Both rows and columns? It can group data to remove redundancy or just provide unique responses.
I'm not sure about other databases or the official SQL standard, but... PostgreSQL has no problem returning to me a list of rows contained in a single column of a single row in a result. The tree you are looking for is easy to return, I have stored procedures that work this way myself. It may be PostgreSQL specific, but I really doubt there isn't something like this in Oracle and MSSQL. Sorry if MySQL doesn't support it, and I realize this is going to raise my troll flag, but with a couple of exceptions, no one uses MySQL for anything important. Yes, wikipedia uses it, yes its a popular website, no, nothing on it is actually important, contrary to what you might thing. Yes, we would lose cultural value if it disappeared, but since that can be recovered from other sources, using wikipedia as an example of how awesome and perfect MySQL is just makes you look like a fanboy. It is one of those rare places where MySQL shines. Of course, its a safe bet that PostgreSQL out shines it, as well as Oracle, and possibly even MSSQL. Sorry, now I sound like a pgsql fanboy:(
SQL is as standardized as HTML. Do you suggest we ditch HTML as well?
Its not that there isn't a standard, its that none of the vendors follow it to the letter.
This is both good and bad. Good because pretty much every DB server worth mentioning supports things that are VERY useful and not part of the SQL standard. Its bad because I can't just switch an app from PostgreSQL to Oracle to MySQL if its anything more than basic queries without rewriting a lot of those queries. Okay, you've got a good chance of jumping between Oracle and PostgreSQL, but good luck going between them and MySQL or MSSQL, or any of the others.
SQL does not suck, it works rather well which is one of the reasons its still here.
Vendors who don't support the standard to the letter and THEN extend it, suck.
Don't hate the game, hate the players who don't follow the rules.
Guess they never heard of unique timestamps or sequences?
Unique timestamp is just a timestamp with a numeric sequence tagged on the end if the timestamp happens to not be unique in the table, which is easy to come across on a high traffic db.
Sequences are just that, auto incrementing unique ids, I don't think you should be allowed to say anything about SQL if you don't know what a sequence is and how it effectively solves the 'this happened after this' problem. Use a single sequence for the entire database and you know EXACTLY what order that every row was added in.
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Ah, insightful ... its good to know that neither you nor anyone moding your comments have any clue about network engineering.
Oh, so because you're too stupid to know the difference, we should all call it the same thing.
I'm glad doctors don't listen to this sort of ignorance, otherwise everone would die from the cold.
Prove it.
Oh, wait, thats part of what they are trying to do isn't it?
In a device like this, I'm certain they can reverse the polarity on something for some useful purpose. Its just too complex for there not to be SOMETHING.
I think thats the point.
Would block? We don't block from web servers anymore, we just black hole their address blocks whenever possible!
And premature ejaculation. He was trying to pull out :/
Scientific method didn't enable us to create technology, we were creating technology before the scientific method existed.
Stop warshiping science as if it were a god, and stop thinking you're so superior.
You aren't even following scientific method in your post. saying 'Cultures which treat women as property, for instance, are inferior cultures.' is purely an opinion, one for which you haven't provided any evidence to back it up at all, let alone any evidence that clearly illustrates your point, which you simply don't have since theres never been a controlled experiment to confirm the hypothesis either way.
You have an opinion, nothing more, certainly not a fact by any standard.
Scientific method is not bunk, but retards like yourself who use it in an argument but don't even understand it make the common person tend to think of it as bunk because as a general rule, the people who spout it generally don't know what the fuck they are talking about, you for example.
Do I think women should be owned? No, but that is my opinion, and there is absolutely no evidence to suggest its better, historically speaking, I think owning my wife would make it far easier for me to get laid.
Look, certain people warship people like Hawkings as if they are gods. For that reason, anything Hawking says is treated as the most intelligent statement ever said, even if it happenes to be an utterly retarded statement.
Guess you didn't bother to read the comments where he said 'the dell picture is just one I had, not one of their servers'
Salesforce's numbers are not impressive in the least with the knowledge provided. Now if they come back and say that the 1k servers is including all networking and storage equipment, I'll be a little more impressed. If they said they did it using 1k U s (as in rack space, total). Then I would be more inclined to want to know how they work. Otherwise, not impressive.
The kneejerk reaction you are seeing is because intelligent people know instantly that 'secret goverment project' regardless of who knew what before hand, means, as a general rule, you're going to have to keep your fucking mouth shut.
The reaction you are seeing is because appearently EVERYONE else in the world knows not to do this shit, except this guy, who claims he didn't know, which again, every who has worked with the government on these sorts of things knows is bullshit because they drill it into your head so many times it makes you sick.
The reaction is because EVERYONE IN THE WORLD realizes how sticky these situations are and how careful you have to be to cover your own ass, and when they see someone go to another country that has no problem stilling data from the US and makes no attempt to hide it, WITH DATA HE WAS TOLD NOT TO TALK ABOUT, and then he goes out of his way to show it to people, its not like he lost his laptop ....
Sorry, rambling on ... we react this way because the whole thing is so obviously an area where you'd be careful as fuck even if you were Forrest Gump, that we just don't accept an excuse and it does, in fact, appear to be blatant treason to anyone with 3 or more brain cells.
So then the goverment stops funding their research completely. They can revolt all they want, the goverment funds most univerisities anyway. Someone else will do the job, especially right now.
It may not be as good, but it'll get done.
And what happens to the people who revolted? They go somewhere else? Where they'll actually be killed for doing something like this? You think if one of the guys he talked to in China came to the US and did this, that they would go home and go to jail? heh, if by jail you mine a pine box, buried several feet in the ground, sure.
Most people in academia as a career are stupid, but they aren't THAT stupid.
Academia doesn't provide the smartest people on the planet, it provides the ones with the biggest egos and arrogance. The ones that think they set the rules. Occasionally, one of them proves to be useful to someone in a government or a company. So they do some work for them.
But the brilliant people, that do most of the work, you just don't know they are the brilliant people. They are already working in these positions, making good money and happy with their lives since they don't have this irrational need to show everyone absolutely every thing they've learned as an example of their ePenis (education penis).
Let them 'revolt'. Watch how well that works out for them, maybe a little reality would do them some good.
Did it not occur to you that he may have been working on something not posted in that first google result, or known in general, yet still related to plasma actuators?
I can find a shitload of information on the Internet and build my own jet aircraft. That doesn't mean I'll have the avionics or whatever little bits of information that really make our combat aircraft the amazing craft they are.
Good thing the goverment doesn't let babies do this sort of thing then isn't it?
You DO however hold an adult accountable for their actions, guess what, you even do with children! You give them slack for the learning process, but you damn sure punish them when they know they did something wrong and did it anyway. Okay, YOU may not, but I do, and so do most parents.
Of course, we're not talking about a baby giggling at butterflies are we? We're talking about an adult, an educated one at that, who willfully ignored the rules that he no doubt read himself and had read to him multiple times and signed a document stating that he agreed to.
You punish severely, and make sure everyone else knows that saying 'I didn't know' is not an acceptable excuse at this level, ever.
What do you propose instead, we say 'bad boy!', smack him on the hand, and then act surprised when someone does it next week, says the same thing, gets off, and suddenly leaves for some random company where he has a few million sitting in a bank account?
To summarize this post, you should have simply said 'then he falls into the stupid' category.
I know one person who is not allowed to talk about what he did for several years of his life. He is still well respected and known in his field and those years don't come up very often for him, when they do, all it takes is a phone call to verify that he did indeed work for the government for several years and no they aren't allowed to tell what he did, but he's in good standing with them.
Maybe he's special, but I doubt it, my guess is when you're dealing the the technology at this level then it is accepted that there are going to be things you can't talk about and in fact is a good thing that you don't talk about it since then they can have a little more faith in you not telling everyone about their own little secrets.
Well, that and knowing that the guy will have no problem getting past the security requirements for big DOD contracts helps a tad bit to. This things can in fact be a goldmine for your career. Perhaps something else is preventing your collegues from getting jobs.
This guy won't get one because he's an idiot with a big mouth, they won't even get to his level of stupidity before turning him down.
What country do you live in? I'm sure it falls into one of two groups:
1) This would be considered treason, you'd simply be shot, if you were lucky you might get a trial first.
2) This wouldn't matter as the country realizes that it doesn't have anything worth keeping secret, so it doesn't bother with laws to deal with those situations.
Yes, I'm American. Yes, the entire EU does fall into one of those categories, before you rant about how it doesn't, do some research.
I really hate when the consitution and first amendment rights come up in a discussion like this.
Its absolutely retarded to imply that his first admendment right was violated in some way after he willingly entered a contract to which he was under no obligation to enter and would not be punished in any way for not entering it.
This isn't slavery, he wasn't going to be tortured, starved and left to die or killed intentionally if he didn't take the contract. He wasn't going to be shamed publically even. No one other than his friends would have ever had any idea that he even had the option if he said no.
But he didn't say no. He said yes. He agreed to work for them, for a good chunk of change I might add, and he agreed to keep his fucking mouth shut about it. He was specifically warned before AND AFTER that telling the students what he did was against the rules.
This is blatant disregard for his contractual obligations and his duty as an American citizen.
He's god damn lucky it was America. Most countries have no problem just shooting you for even the hint of something like this, which since he was warned just prior to committing the act, I would argue is practically treason. It was certainly willful disregard for his obligations.
You are failing as a citizen yourself in trying to bring the first amendment into this argument. Do not dirty the lines here by doing so.
This is CLEARLY someone disregarding the rules for the game they agreed to play by.
That is entirely different than being unable to speak your mind freely in any normal context without fear of retribution, which is what the first amendment is for. Its not a trump card to do whatever the fuck when ever you want regardless of the implications, and any person that is supposed to be 'educated' as much as this person should be well aware of that.
Don't compare this shit to real issues, you'll just make it that much easier to ignore the real issues as well by making this 'precedent'.
So true. PhDs are granted because you were someones bitch for 4+ years, nothing more. If anything one could argue that PhDs are given only to idiots who stay and deal with it rather than having the common sense to leave, get a job, and make twice as much than you will when you get out.
Okay, so if you are going into academia you're going to have to get a PhD since they have to self perpetuate.
And yes, I know a little about PhD programs. My family has 2 PhDs and my wife is a real doctor.
My god I would, all that money wasted listening to some pompous ass who actually knows very little of practical value. Its treason at the highest levels if you ask me.
Yea, I had top secret clearence at one point too, its a joke.
'Top Secret' clearance is given to just about anyone anywhere for anything, its not really that top secret.
To the goverment, 'Top Secret' is roughly the same as businesses who have rules against telling someone how much you make. No they don't want you to do it, but mostly because its a damn hassle to them afterwords, not because you'll actually know anything that matters or can't be found on the Internet already anyway.
Sorry to disappoint, but 'Top Secret' isn't anything like you see in the movies guys.
You do realize that with SQL can order your data, right? Both rows and columns? It can group data to remove redundancy or just provide unique responses.
I'm not sure about other databases or the official SQL standard, but ... PostgreSQL has no problem returning to me a list of rows contained in a single column of a single row in a result. The tree you are looking for is easy to return, I have stored procedures that work this way myself. It may be PostgreSQL specific, but I really doubt there isn't something like this in Oracle and MSSQL. Sorry if MySQL doesn't support it, and I realize this is going to raise my troll flag, but with a couple of exceptions, no one uses MySQL for anything important. Yes, wikipedia uses it, yes its a popular website, no, nothing on it is actually important, contrary to what you might thing. Yes, we would lose cultural value if it disappeared, but since that can be recovered from other sources, using wikipedia as an example of how awesome and perfect MySQL is just makes you look like a fanboy. It is one of those rare places where MySQL shines. Of course, its a safe bet that PostgreSQL out shines it, as well as Oracle, and possibly even MSSQL. Sorry, now I sound like a pgsql fanboy :(
SQL is as standardized as HTML. Do you suggest we ditch HTML as well?
Its not that there isn't a standard, its that none of the vendors follow it to the letter.
This is both good and bad. Good because pretty much every DB server worth mentioning supports things that are VERY useful and not part of the SQL standard. Its bad because I can't just switch an app from PostgreSQL to Oracle to MySQL if its anything more than basic queries without rewriting a lot of those queries. Okay, you've got a good chance of jumping between Oracle and PostgreSQL, but good luck going between them and MySQL or MSSQL, or any of the others.
SQL does not suck, it works rather well which is one of the reasons its still here.
Vendors who don't support the standard to the letter and THEN extend it, suck.
Don't hate the game, hate the players who don't follow the rules.
Fuck you, I'm a lazy .NET programmer, but I'm not stupid, most of the time anyway.
Ironically, BIGTABLE seems to look a lot like SQL if you can abstract yourself from the specifics.
Guess they never heard of unique timestamps or sequences?
Unique timestamp is just a timestamp with a numeric sequence tagged on the end if the timestamp happens to not be unique in the table, which is easy to come across on a high traffic db.
Sequences are just that, auto incrementing unique ids, I don't think you should be allowed to say anything about SQL if you don't know what a sequence is and how it effectively solves the 'this happened after this' problem. Use a single sequence for the entire database and you know EXACTLY what order that every row was added in.