I'd disagree with you. As many outside the US [and quite afew within it] know, there's a popular perception that Americans do not have a sense of irony. It might not be accurate, but we Ausssies don't have kangarros in out back yard and haven't heard of anyone called 'Monterey Jack' either.
The Simpsons goes quite some way to crushing that notion.
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Actually, I call my OS `C++/Linux', and sometimes AT&T/Linux or AlanCox/Linux. They all had a fundamental influence on my OS and deserve credit too. jesus Christ people, yes the FSF was important, does that change the name of the OS after it has been christened? No.
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Thanks for the supporting argument. I would say that if Red Hat, Caldera, and SuSE are binary comaptible [which they seem to be] or can be made so by upgrading their internals, they are the same OS. On the other hand, that's is also why Unix isn't an operating system - software written for Unix still needs porting work. Running a Red Hat package on Debian might put things in stupid places, but it should work OK.
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> An os does not have to be as interactive as what were used to. Look at mainframes
But many people wouldn't say that mainframes have an Operating System.
>By this definition, X-Windows + KDE/GNOME is an OS.
Of course it is [part of] an OS. An operationg system not only abstracts the hardware, but provides a common interface for software to run on, and an interface to the user to work under. KDE and GNOME fit this bill very nicely.
Unix isn't an operating system. Solaris is, Linix is. Unix is a set of standard that various operationg systems choose to implement. An elegant way of structuring the filesystem. A shitty way of handling permissions. A trademark. XWindows. CDE. POSIX. Solaris might implement most of it, Linux a fair portion, MacOS and BeOS somewhat, and NT not very much. Can I also add that doesn't necessarily say anything about the quality of those OSs, it just says something abotu the adherence to that standard.
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m a firm believer in the John Hall school of thought, which says `Linux is ther standard Unix'. Unix was a clever way of doing a lot of things. But that's no reason Linux should blindly follow its exact implementation at every step [it causes problems like the one mentionbed in my sig]. CDE is a shitty environment, and rwx permissions mean that a stack of serious Linux apps [eg, squid, and quite afew firewalling tools] have to write their own damned permission system rather than use the inbuilt one, because its not fine grained enough.
> More Bits, More Bucks, Mo' Betta?
I believe the particular hip-hop phraseology you're looking for is `Mo Money, Mo Problems'.
Word.
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Though there are laws against unsolicited commercial bulk email, advertising usually does indeed fall under the categoryt of free speech.
MAPS isn't restricting that right. Spammers are still free to send bulk email to people that don't want to recieve it. MAPS simply helps people exercise their right not to listen.
That other feature was the `download entire HTML' page, which is a rather important feature. Still, Mozs themes rock.
Somethign that *still* seems to elude every browser maker is a button to turn on a underline spell checker in large text entry boxes, just like the one I'm typing in now. Which would stop me making all these damned tpyos.
> PLEASE FIX PING
Red Hat's role in life isn't to troll Slashdot and fix your queries. But they're willing to fix anything you post to bugzilla. So do it, and stop whining.
Red Hat's bugs are bugs in Linux. There's more to Linux than the kernel. And yes, bugs in KDE and GNOME and Linuxconf are bugs in Linux. Red Hat create and ship exclusively open source software that becomes part of their distribution. And their distribution is a Linux Operating System. Apples for apples, if there's a bug in say, the Windows Internet Connection wizard, it would be as much of an OS bug as if there was a bug in Red Hat PPP Dialler.
What about those of us that don't develop, yet give back to the community in other ways? Just becasue someone doesn't know a language [beyond shell and a little pascal] doesn't mean that the hours they spend every week getting involved in LUG committees, organizing events, advocating Linux, and distributing Open Source software?
A company publishes a software product riddled with bugs.
That's where your logic failed. Someone going to a web site and adding up the amount of bugs in any software product is the most ridiculous method to evaluate a product that anyone's ever heard of, and if you were involved with softweare engineering you bet your arse you'd know this.
There are duplicates in the database. There are wishlists. There are existing bugs which we all know about - in KDE 1.2 when you apply a theme, and then click OK to get out of KControl, and waity while KDE applies the theme again. There are preferred methods of doing things. This is not just a complete Operating System, it's ready to go with a stack of end-user applications. Of course there's going to be bugs in it - it's software isn't it?
Sorry about that, but I'm damned tired of hearing slashdot people and fellow Linux users continually making this massive leap in logic.
And having some brilliant commercial open-source developers having their efforts seemingly snubbed or ignored. Look what e-smith are doing to bring Linux into the mainstream. That they're gaving back to the community is great. The fact they're making money from their [and our] efforts shouldn't stop them from getting the praise they deserve.
You mean CLOSED-SOURCE developers, not commercial developers!
I know this is a rant, but for Christ's sake, THE OPPOSITE OF OPEN SOURCE IS CLOSED SOURCE. WHETHER SOMETHING IS OPEN OR CLOSED SOURCE HAS ABSOLUTELY NO BEARING ON WHETHER IT IS COMMERCIAL OR NOT!!!
* Debian's Linux distribution is open source and [AFAIK] non commerical [ie, it is produced for altruistic reasons].
* Red Hat's Linux distribution is open source and commercial, in that it is primarily produced for commercial benefit of Red Hat
* Winzip is a closed source commercial product. Its role in life is to generate revenue for Niko Mak Computing [also called the Winzip company].
* Parsec is a closed source non commerical product. It is also produced for altruistic reasons.
reverse engineer a product so that you can make/write one that is compatable?
Isn't that effectively what DeCSS does? Allow people to make DVD decrypters [players] that are comaptible products with the MPAA licensed players?
The difference is that the MPAA is better funded than the individuals trying to kae the comaptible product in this case
The irony is, the summons was issued in MS Word format. Word gained most of its marketshare by taking advantage of Windows, yet being compatible with the DOS based market leader, WordPerfect - by reverse engineering the WordPerfect file format.
A spokesperson for Pact GmbH claimed the Extreme Processor Platform was "Most bitchin, radical and gnarly". The spokesperson continued "We've totally maxed those proc cores, and out backplane is decidedly off the planet. Our 32 bit multipliers open one extra deluxe can of whupass, and our combination back-flip most tiny fabrication process cuts it it so nice, you wanna hear it twice - they can do 40 k fakie axel grinds a sec, and the shiny future one's gonna do a k of vicious ops".
When approached about the controversy surrounding the redundant second posting of an article concerning the chips to popular news-for-nerds site Slashdot.org, the spokesperson responded: "Its all good".
LICQ has more features than any other ICQ client, the most interesting of which is encryption.
No, the most interesting thing is right clicking on a Windows user in your contact list, and LICQ suggesting `Back Orifice' as the top action;-)
Seriosuly though, another LICQ feature is UID emulation. This might have an impact on your encryption bonanza when your client broadcasts its end of the transaction to all hosts with the ID of your associate].
So what kernel options do I use to compile for a chip which can emulate just about anything? Would it be possible to turn on MMX and SSE, as well as 3DNow! ?
> The "real" CPUID command, (compatible to the AMD-Athlon) returns no Serial-Number back.
Interesting - I thought the AMD Athlon has no CPUID `feature' - there was old recent issues with Red Hat 6.2 and Athlons, where the kernel would detect a PIII compatible chip pthis was before Red Hat started doing Athlon Kernerls] and attempt to disable the CPUID feature. Following finding a PIII, thre kernel would try to turn of CPUID [yay kernel people!] and die horrible, because AMD Athlons apparently didn't have one.
> Anything racist is banned
Oops. I forgot to mention the `International Jewish Conspiracy' that Mahatir blamed for the recent down turn in the Malaysian economy. Can't find a link - use google if you'd like, I'd suggest `Mahatir' and `Jewish' as your keywords.
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I'd disagree with you. As many outside the US [and quite afew within it] know, there's a popular perception that Americans do not have a sense of irony. It might not be accurate, but we Ausssies don't have kangarros in out back yard and haven't heard of anyone called 'Monterey Jack' either.
The Simpsons goes quite some way to crushing that notion.
Actually, I call my OS `C++/Linux', and sometimes AT&T/Linux or AlanCox/Linux. They all had a fundamental influence on my OS and deserve credit too. jesus Christ people, yes the FSF was important, does that change the name of the OS after it has been christened? No.
Thanks for the supporting argument. I would say that if Red Hat, Caldera, and SuSE are binary comaptible [which they seem to be] or can be made so by upgrading their internals, they are the same OS. On the other hand, that's is also why Unix isn't an operating system - software written for Unix still needs porting work. Running a Red Hat package on Debian might put things in stupid places, but it should work OK.
> An os does not have to be as interactive as what were used to. Look at mainframes
But many people wouldn't say that mainframes have an Operating System.
>By this definition, X-Windows + KDE/GNOME is an OS.
Of course it is [part of] an OS. An operationg system not only abstracts the hardware, but provides a common interface for software to run on, and an interface to the user to work under. KDE and GNOME fit this bill very nicely.
Unix isn't an operating system. Solaris is, Linix is. Unix is a set of standard that various operationg systems choose to implement. An elegant way of structuring the filesystem. A shitty way of handling permissions. A trademark. XWindows. CDE. POSIX. Solaris might implement most of it, Linux a fair portion, MacOS and BeOS somewhat, and NT not very much. Can I also add that doesn't necessarily say anything about the quality of those OSs, it just says something abotu the adherence to that standard.
I'
m a firm believer in the John Hall school of thought, which says `Linux is ther standard Unix'. Unix was a clever way of doing a lot of things. But that's no reason Linux should blindly follow its exact implementation at every step [it causes problems like the one mentionbed in my sig]. CDE is a shitty environment, and rwx permissions mean that a stack of serious Linux apps [eg, squid, and quite afew firewalling tools] have to write their own damned permission system rather than use the inbuilt one, because its not fine grained enough.
> More Bits, More Bucks, Mo' Betta?
I believe the particular hip-hop phraseology you're looking for is `Mo Money, Mo Problems'.
Word.
Though there are laws against unsolicited commercial bulk email, advertising usually does indeed fall under the categoryt of free speech.
MAPS isn't restricting that right. Spammers are still free to send bulk email to people that don't want to recieve it. MAPS simply helps people exercise their right not to listen.
That other feature was the `download entire HTML' page, which is a rather important feature. Still, Mozs themes rock.
Somethign that *still* seems to elude every browser maker is a button to turn on a underline spell checker in large text entry boxes, just like the one I'm typing in now. Which would stop me making all these damned tpyos.
> PLEASE FIX PING
Red Hat's role in life isn't to troll Slashdot and fix your queries. But they're willing to fix anything you post to bugzilla. So do it, and stop whining.
Slackware? That buggy piece of crap? Forget it, I'm going to Red Hat.
Red Hat's bugs are bugs in Linux. There's more to Linux than the kernel. And yes, bugs in KDE and GNOME and Linuxconf are bugs in Linux. Red Hat create and ship exclusively open source software that becomes part of their distribution. And their distribution is a Linux Operating System. Apples for apples, if there's a bug in say, the Windows Internet Connection wizard, it would be as much of an OS bug as if there was a bug in Red Hat PPP Dialler.
What about those of us that don't develop, yet give back to the community in other ways? Just becasue someone doesn't know a language [beyond shell and a little pascal] doesn't mean that the hours they spend every week getting involved in LUG committees, organizing events, advocating Linux, and distributing Open Source software?
A company publishes a software product riddled with bugs.
That's where your logic failed. Someone going to a web site and adding up the amount of bugs in any software product is the most ridiculous method to evaluate a product that anyone's ever heard of, and if you were involved with softweare engineering you bet your arse you'd know this.
There are duplicates in the database. There are wishlists. There are existing bugs which we all know about - in KDE 1.2 when you apply a theme, and then click OK to get out of KControl, and waity while KDE applies the theme again. There are preferred methods of doing things. This is not just a complete Operating System, it's ready to go with a stack of end-user applications. Of course there's going to be bugs in it - it's software isn't it?
It's Eminem's. Everyone knows that!
Ahem.
Sorry about that, but I'm damned tired of hearing slashdot people and fellow Linux users continually making this massive leap in logic.
And having some brilliant commercial open-source developers having their efforts seemingly snubbed or ignored. Look what e-smith are doing to bring Linux into the mainstream. That they're gaving back to the community is great. The fact they're making money from their [and our] efforts shouldn't stop them from getting the praise they deserve.
You mean CLOSED-SOURCE developers, not commercial developers!
I know this is a rant, but for Christ's sake, THE OPPOSITE OF OPEN SOURCE IS CLOSED SOURCE. WHETHER SOMETHING IS OPEN OR CLOSED SOURCE HAS ABSOLUTELY NO BEARING ON WHETHER IT IS COMMERCIAL OR NOT!!!
* Debian's Linux distribution is open source and [AFAIK] non commerical [ie, it is produced for altruistic reasons].
* Red Hat's Linux distribution is open source and commercial, in that it is primarily produced for commercial benefit of Red Hat
* Winzip is a closed source commercial product. Its role in life is to generate revenue for Niko Mak Computing [also called the Winzip company].
* Parsec is a closed source non commerical product. It is also produced for altruistic reasons.
reverse engineer a product so that you can make/write one that is compatable?
Isn't that effectively what DeCSS does? Allow people to make DVD decrypters [players] that are comaptible products with the MPAA licensed players?
The difference is that the MPAA is better funded than the individuals trying to kae the comaptible product in this case
The irony is, the summons was issued in MS Word format. Word gained most of its marketshare by taking advantage of Windows, yet being compatible with the DOS based market leader, WordPerfect - by reverse engineering the WordPerfect file format.
A spokesperson for Pact GmbH claimed the Extreme Processor Platform was "Most bitchin, radical and gnarly". The spokesperson continued "We've totally maxed those proc cores, and out backplane is decidedly off the planet. Our 32 bit multipliers open one extra deluxe can of whupass, and our combination back-flip most tiny fabrication process cuts it it so nice, you wanna hear it twice - they can do 40 k fakie axel grinds a sec, and the shiny future one's gonna do a k of vicious ops".
When approached about the controversy surrounding the redundant second posting of an article concerning the chips to popular news-for-nerds site Slashdot.org, the spokesperson responded: "Its all good".
It was Pheonix.
Mike
A tempest system will allow you to read off a CRT through a wall. Have a hunt on google for it.
LICQ has more features than any other ICQ client, the most interesting of which is encryption.
No, the most interesting thing is right clicking on a Windows user in your contact list, and LICQ suggesting `Back Orifice' as the top action ;-)
Seriosuly though, another LICQ feature is UID emulation. This might have an impact on your encryption bonanza when your client broadcasts its end of the transaction to all hosts with the ID of your associate].
Spending 5 hours a day reading and posting to /. when you're behind schedule on shipping a new product is one example
Okay. I'll stop.
So what kernel options do I use to compile for a chip which can emulate just about anything? Would it be possible to turn on MMX and SSE, as well as 3DNow! ?
> The "real" CPUID command, (compatible to the AMD-Athlon) returns no Serial-Number back.
Interesting - I thought the AMD Athlon has no CPUID `feature' - there was old recent issues with Red Hat 6.2 and Athlons, where the kernel would detect a PIII compatible chip pthis was before Red Hat started doing Athlon Kernerls] and attempt to disable the CPUID feature. Following finding a PIII, thre kernel would try to turn of CPUID [yay kernel people!] and die horrible, because AMD Athlons apparently didn't have one.
Or do they?
> Anything racist is banned
Oops. I forgot to mention the `International Jewish Conspiracy' that Mahatir blamed for the recent down turn in the Malaysian economy. Can't find a link - use google if you'd like, I'd suggest `Mahatir' and `Jewish' as your keywords.