Especially when they DON'T WRITE THE SOFTWARE. Damn, everyone is forgetting that the vast majority of this software was just taken and packaged by Red Hat et.al. and conceived & written by others. They've positioned themselves as a leading distro and are now pulling the distro that most people use, for whatever reason (not as profitable as enterprise?), despite many paying heavily for features like updates. Yet here we are and the apologists are taliking as if Red Hat did everyone a favor until now and *we've* somehow been freeloading. WRONG! Packaging and patches may be worth a fee but the kind of cash they're seeking now for a distro with updates is unjustifiable when you consider that they are not the authors of most of the software. This should be reflected in the pricing, clearly they're just too used to riding on the gravy train. They've plain forgotten that they are not the progenitors of the software, they're the beneficiaries.
Oh I replied so you're right? Sigh, if you want to have discussions like this hang out at kindergarten or something.
The world is a more complex place that you or your average MBA seems to think it is. It's not just about counting beans and thinking that parts of your business are isolated when they are clearly NOT isolated.
Anyhoo, SUSE for me from now on. Adios RedHat, they've just abandoned way too many bums on seats for my liking. This has to be one of the most treacherous bait & switch attacks on users, I'm sorry to see it from a company I once supported.
I don't need to explain it to you. Obviously you don't get it, that's your problem not mine. I've been inside businesses that use Red Hat to power their enterprise. I've written software for them, you're welcome to go on thinking that these products are isolated and disconnected.
I'm switching to another distro. It's not about support for me, but product releases & maintenance etc. I can do my onw support and use (& be a part of) the community etc. I've used red hat and developed software on it for employers for several years.
This has to be the craziest decision ever. I'll probably go SuSe now.
Damn, I just installed this on a friends computer and bought the "RH9 Linux for Dummies" book for him.
If Red Hat don't think this will impact their enterprise business negatively then they are certifiably insane.
They didn't simply not support the competition the ELIMINATED IT. They purchased a company/product that was a generic component of a cross platform system and eliminated the other platforms leaving THEM and ONLY THEM. It is a big deal.
Where is the frikin' DOJ & anti-trust laws when you need them?
Criticality is about more than mass. There are bomb designs that don't even assemble the core from different parts but remain subcritical until detonation.
Geeze, congressional hearings on science? Political Debate? C-SPAN of science?!!
NO, how about some REAL content. These idiots mentioning this channel make it sound crap because they just don't get it. Just because science doesn't interest them and C-SPAN doesn't interest them, does NOT mean the programming will be similar.
Imagine lectures and programming on leading edge science topics. Educational programming with real meat on the bones. Demonstrations of the latest theories and experiments. Visits to international research labs. etc etc. Documentaries on the latest Astronomical discoveries and theories without the idiotic self promoters. Programming on technology of all sorts. The list goes on.
Only a complete ass could hear "science channel" and think "congressional debates on science".
Geeze, it that's it, it will fail, I don't want to see a bunch of ignorant old farts trolling for votes & lobbyist dollars to keep their fat asses in Washington.
I posted the same thing before I saw your post, but you probably have a better chance if you own stock in an injured party, like IBM or SGI, to make the case for financial injury, IANAL.
This is a good thing, now we can probably get a class action going against them because a lawyer will see there's some cash to be had from their carcass.
I own some SGI stock and that investment has been undermined by SCO's FUD, I think I'll call a Gucci shark.
Yes except that AFAIK this is more like taking linux and adding a little bit of their own code, same thing just put's a slightly different perspective on things.
This is absolutely correct. You are free to sell the software, jou just cannot enhance it without returning the enhancements to the same public domain you obtained the original version from.
For Daniel Lyons to imply with his closing 'comrade' remark that Free Software supporters are communists is not only absurd, it is also utterly cowardly. This 'journalist' idealog makes no case for this, and doesn't even have the guts to use the 'C' word, instead he attempts a cowardly indirect attack.
Let's deal with the accusation head on, Free Software has NOTHING to do with communism, if I write software and license it for no cash, I still own it. It is mine, nobody is forcing you to use my software, and there are plenty of commercial alternatives if you want to use them. What you cannot do is take the fruits of my labor, reap the benefits and look for a free ride by not meeting the terms of the license.
You then have two choices, STOP using my software or meet the terms of my license. Anything else is blatant theft. IMHO you shouldn't even have the former option having reaped the benefits already. Moreover the Linksys example he is talking about is some minor driver work, this has nothing to do with 3rd parties ripping off anyone's product this is about modifying software *we wrote* that's running on that hardware *we own*, THEY'RE ripping off Linux by not meeting the terms & conditions of it's use. We're talking about some simple driver work here, Linux comes with most of the real business end of their product already.
What warped ideology could lead to the conclusion that this was communism? Where would defeating this supposed 'evil' lead? It would lead to a world where the software Linksys stole would be available to NOBODY, or would be available for free without terms and conditions with the authors (the REAL producers of value) having their rights and property stripped away, and that has more in common with communism that the current situation.
Finally, software offers traditional business economists a puzzle that some don't quite grok, in that it has almost zero manufacturing costs once written. The costs are in continuing R&D, product support & sales & marketing, so this is where value is added. This is at the root of why Free Software makes sense, and at the root of why some misguided fool can conclude that people sharing their data while demanding that you cannot steal it is equivalent to communism.
Write or buy your own software if you don't like it, don't steal mine.
Notice that the Apple system is a 64 bit system, the Intel based system uses Xeons and is 32 bit. That is an interesting difference in a configuration this size. Cluster or not.
I know it's not spyware, although it's not true to say it's a whole new version.
I have C-Dilla installed and musk keep it, how do I know some OTHER piece of software hasn't enabled the spyware components, I cannot tell them apart so I am defenceless against this form of privacy invasion thanks to Intuit. I run two types of privacy protection software, but they are ineffective against C-Dilla as long as I need it for TurboTAX.
Reading the rhetoric from this dipshit, I'm angry, I mean I am frikin livid. I've had it with these morons defining the debate and getting all the backing from these sycophantic media outlets that the need despite the utterly preposterous and mendacious positions they take on these issues. This honest researcher should sue these rat bastard, lying, incompetent bozos for defamation.
Yea, besides, the fact that the truth hurts your company should not restrict my freedom to speak it. What an insane view of the world these idiots have.
Wow, they're actually claiming that the DMCA actually implies that it's a felony for telling people that the CD won't autoload if you hold down shift?
What a bunch of morons. What the hell happened to freedom of speech. This is an empirical function of the operating system, there is absolutely nothing untoward about telling people this.
I suppose these bozos should sue anyone who doesn't run windows for violating the DMCA since that won't run their crappy windows executable anyway, shift or no shift.
Jeeze, they bullshit about hiding behind academic credentials when it's they who are hiding their incompetence behind a frivilous and draconian lawsuit.
I used Turbo Tax last year, now I have C-Dilla on my HD. Everytime I scan for malware the only thing I leave is C-Dilla because I need it to run Turbo Tax to check last year's filing. My question is can I use my frikin legally purchased copy of Turbo Tax now without C-Dilla. I don't give a crap about an apology. They treated me like a pirate for buying their software. I want that shit off my HD and I want to use my licensed software to check that digital copy of turbo tax for the next several years.
Can I? Anyone?
P.S. If after a bit of research I find I can do my taxes with another piece of software I shall. You can support these assholes if you like, I'm going to find someone I can trust more with my important financial data (that trust is about access to my own data as well as privacy, privacy is NOT the only concern), that right now means anyone who makes decent tax software and isn't called Intuit.
Tree pruning is exactly how efficient ply searching works. w.r.t. analysing the chess tree, you don't regenerate states that much searching a tree, you can store your current position and explore all moves. Remember you're evaluating the best move at this ply for the whole tree, not store the best move are every position at every ply. So to play a game, you do your exhaustive search for this move only. From then on you repeat for each position, but after your first move you have a small fraction of the work (taking the brute force approach). The actual cost of the lack of storage is trivial by comparrison to the initial cost. The lack of storage is NOT a problem, although storage can improve performance.
w.r.t. setting bits in memory, it's a specious argument, the power requirements are much greater w.r.t. computation, setting memory bits for board positions are not the greatest power issue, there are hundreds of thousands of gate switches in a processor executing code. I know what your trying to say, (theoretical limits) but reality is much worse.
However I'm not buying your argument about using energy leading to a cataglysm that "propagates at the speed of light" There's no basis for that nonsense. Once again, this is a use of energy over time (and it's not an exhaustive search although it is thorough). Worst case you run out of energy in your corner of the universe and everything goes dark, you move your "Dysan chess sphere" TM over to the next star / black hole and resume the program:-), but then again that makes certain assumptions about the nature of the universe and the nature of the problem I think the problem is more tractible than your strawman suggests.
It is a search, that can be optimised, I insist:-)
Maybe it'll be easier to build a computer that's smart enough to come up with a chess proof without searching the move tree exhaustively.
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Especially when they DON'T WRITE THE SOFTWARE. Damn, everyone is forgetting that the vast majority of this software was just taken and packaged by Red Hat et.al. and conceived & written by others. They've positioned themselves as a leading distro and are now pulling the distro that most people use, for whatever reason (not as profitable as enterprise?), despite many paying heavily for features like updates. Yet here we are and the apologists are taliking as if Red Hat did everyone a favor until now and *we've* somehow been freeloading. WRONG! Packaging and patches may be worth a fee but the kind of cash they're seeking now for a distro with updates is unjustifiable when you consider that they are not the authors of most of the software. This should be reflected in the pricing, clearly they're just too used to riding on the gravy train. They've plain forgotten that they are not the progenitors of the software, they're the beneficiaries.
Oh I replied so you're right? Sigh, if you want to have discussions like this hang out at kindergarten or something.
The world is a more complex place that you or your average MBA seems to think it is. It's not just about counting beans and thinking that parts of your business are isolated when they are clearly NOT isolated.
Anyhoo, SUSE for me from now on. Adios RedHat, they've just abandoned way too many bums on seats for my liking. This has to be one of the most treacherous bait & switch attacks on users, I'm sorry to see it from a company I once supported.
I don't need to explain it to you. Obviously you don't get it, that's your problem not mine. I've been inside businesses that use Red Hat to power their enterprise. I've written software for them, you're welcome to go on thinking that these products are isolated and disconnected.
I'm switching to another distro. It's not about support for me, but product releases & maintenance etc. I can do my onw support and use (& be a part of) the community etc. I've used red hat and developed software on it for employers for several years.
This has to be the craziest decision ever. I'll probably go SuSe now.
Damn, I just installed this on a friends computer and bought the "RH9 Linux for Dummies" book for him.
If Red Hat don't think this will impact their enterprise business negatively then they are certifiably insane.
Adios Red Hat.
Makes me think how inefficient trees are at making gas more than how inefficient cars are at burning it.
They didn't simply not support the competition the ELIMINATED IT. They purchased a company/product that was a generic component of a cross platform system and eliminated the other platforms leaving THEM and ONLY THEM. It is a big deal.
Where is the frikin' DOJ & anti-trust laws when you need them?
Well said sir, I was going to chime in but thankfully this brazen stupidity was seen by many others including timothy who posted the article.
.... yea...riiiight.....(reaches for clue-by-four).....:-)
"Capitalism trumphs capitalism, down with capitalism!"
Criticality is about more than mass. There are bomb designs that don't even assemble the core from different parts but remain subcritical until detonation.
Geeze, congressional hearings on science? Political Debate? C-SPAN of science?!!
NO, how about some REAL content. These idiots mentioning this channel make it sound crap because they just don't get it. Just because science doesn't interest them and C-SPAN doesn't interest them, does NOT mean the programming will be similar.
Imagine lectures and programming on leading edge science topics. Educational programming with real meat on the bones. Demonstrations of the latest theories and experiments. Visits to international research labs. etc etc. Documentaries on the latest Astronomical discoveries and theories without the idiotic self promoters. Programming on technology of all sorts. The list goes on.
Only a complete ass could hear "science channel" and think "congressional debates on science".
Geeze, it that's it, it will fail, I don't want to see a bunch of ignorant old farts trolling for votes & lobbyist dollars to keep their fat asses in Washington.
Give us CONTENT!
I posted the same thing before I saw your post, but you probably have a better chance if you own stock in an injured party, like IBM or SGI, to make the case for financial injury, IANAL.
This is a good thing, now we can probably get a class action going against them because a lawyer will see there's some cash to be had from their carcass.
I own some SGI stock and that investment has been undermined by SCO's FUD, I think I'll call a Gucci shark.
Thanks for the correction, I knew this but I wasn't specific enough.
Yes except that AFAIK this is more like taking linux and adding a little bit of their own code, same thing just put's a slightly different perspective on things.
This is absolutely correct. You are free to sell the software, jou just cannot enhance it without returning the enhancements to the same public domain you obtained the original version from.
For Daniel Lyons to imply with his closing 'comrade' remark that Free Software supporters are communists is not only absurd, it is also utterly cowardly. This 'journalist' idealog makes no case for this, and doesn't even have the guts to use the 'C' word, instead he attempts a cowardly indirect attack.
Let's deal with the accusation head on, Free Software has NOTHING to do with communism, if I write software and license it for no cash, I still own it. It is mine, nobody is forcing you to use my software, and there are plenty of commercial alternatives if you want to use them. What you cannot do is take the fruits of my labor, reap the benefits and look for a free ride by not meeting the terms of the license.
You then have two choices, STOP using my software or meet the terms of my license. Anything else is blatant theft. IMHO you shouldn't even have the former option having reaped the benefits already. Moreover the Linksys example he is talking about is some minor driver work, this has nothing to do with 3rd parties ripping off anyone's product this is about modifying software *we wrote* that's running on that hardware *we own*, THEY'RE ripping off Linux by not meeting the terms & conditions of it's use. We're talking about some simple driver work here, Linux comes with most of the real business end of their product already.
What warped ideology could lead to the conclusion that this was communism? Where would defeating this supposed 'evil' lead? It would lead to a world where the software Linksys stole would be available to NOBODY, or would be available for free without terms and conditions with the authors (the REAL producers of value) having their rights and property stripped away, and that has more in common with communism that the current situation.
Finally, software offers traditional business economists a puzzle that some don't quite grok, in that it has almost zero manufacturing costs once written. The costs are in continuing R&D, product support & sales & marketing, so this is where value is added. This is at the root of why Free Software makes sense, and at the root of why some misguided fool can conclude that people sharing their data while demanding that you cannot steal it is equivalent to communism.
Write or buy your own software if you don't like it, don't steal mine.
Notice that the Apple system is a 64 bit system, the Intel based system uses Xeons and is 32 bit. That is an interesting difference in a configuration this size. Cluster or not.
I cut my teeth on the VIC-20, the C64's predecessor.
Hmmm..... sounds like he's spoken to his lawyers after shooting his mouth off and has a better appreciation of whether he could win.
I know it's not spyware, although it's not true to say it's a whole new version.
I have C-Dilla installed and musk keep it, how do I know some OTHER piece of software hasn't enabled the spyware components, I cannot tell them apart so I am defenceless against this form of privacy invasion thanks to Intuit. I run two types of privacy protection software, but they are ineffective against C-Dilla as long as I need it for TurboTAX.
Thanks for the info w.r.t. a non DRM version.
Reading the rhetoric from this dipshit, I'm angry, I mean I am frikin livid. I've had it with these morons defining the debate and getting all the backing from these sycophantic media outlets that the need despite the utterly preposterous and mendacious positions they take on these issues. This honest researcher should sue these rat bastard, lying, incompetent bozos for defamation.
Yea, besides, the fact that the truth hurts your company should not restrict my freedom to speak it. What an insane view of the world these idiots have.
Wow, they're actually claiming that the DMCA actually implies that it's a felony for telling people that the CD won't autoload if you hold down shift?
What a bunch of morons. What the hell happened to freedom of speech. This is an empirical function of the operating system, there is absolutely nothing untoward about telling people this.
I suppose these bozos should sue anyone who doesn't run windows for violating the DMCA since that won't run their crappy windows executable anyway, shift or no shift.
Jeeze, they bullshit about hiding behind academic credentials when it's they who are hiding their incompetence behind a frivilous and draconian lawsuit.
I used Turbo Tax last year, now I have C-Dilla on my HD. Everytime I scan for malware the only thing I leave is C-Dilla because I need it to run Turbo Tax to check last year's filing. My question is can I use my frikin legally purchased copy of Turbo Tax now without C-Dilla. I don't give a crap about an apology. They treated me like a pirate for buying their software. I want that shit off my HD and I want to use my licensed software to check that digital copy of turbo tax for the next several years.
Can I? Anyone?
P.S. If after a bit of research I find I can do my taxes with another piece of software I shall. You can support these assholes if you like, I'm going to find someone I can trust more with my important financial data (that trust is about access to my own data as well as privacy, privacy is NOT the only concern), that right now means anyone who makes decent tax software and isn't called Intuit.
P.S. when I say "play a game" I mean "play a perfect game".
Tree pruning is exactly how efficient ply searching works. w.r.t. analysing the chess tree, you don't regenerate states that much searching a tree, you can store your current position and explore all moves. Remember you're evaluating the best move at this ply for the whole tree, not store the best move are every position at every ply. So to play a game, you do your exhaustive search for this move only. From then on you repeat for each position, but after your first move you have a small fraction of the work (taking the brute force approach). The actual cost of the lack of storage is trivial by comparrison to the initial cost. The lack of storage is NOT a problem, although storage can improve performance.
:-), but then again that makes certain assumptions about the nature of the universe and the nature of the problem I think the problem is more tractible than your strawman suggests.
:-)
w.r.t. setting bits in memory, it's a specious argument, the power requirements are much greater w.r.t. computation, setting memory bits for board positions are not the greatest power issue, there are hundreds of thousands of gate switches in a processor executing code. I know what your trying to say, (theoretical limits) but reality is much worse.
However I'm not buying your argument about using energy leading to a cataglysm that "propagates at the speed of light" There's no basis for that nonsense. Once again, this is a use of energy over time (and it's not an exhaustive search although it is thorough). Worst case you run out of energy in your corner of the universe and everything goes dark, you move your "Dysan chess sphere" TM over to the next star / black hole and resume the program
It is a search, that can be optimised, I insist
Maybe it'll be easier to build a computer that's smart enough to come up with a chess proof without searching the move tree exhaustively.