Just so you know - the best teachers were also likely rather competent in the "doing". Or as you put it, the "amazing professors" - that's why you liked the one's that came OUT of the field and into the classroom. The one's who were never in the field don't exactly have much of anything insightful for one to learn from.
I'm going into teaching now as I figure after 20+ years DOING (about 13 in support the rest in other areas completely), I may actually have some knowledge worth passing down. I at least have some clue as to what the preparation of an education is actually for, rather just some theory about preparing them for employment.
And being financially set helps, obviously - as the pay does stink and I wouldn't want to have to try to finance my life on what they pay.
My father loved teaching. He worked as a project mgr for the FASB. If you're familiar with accounting you should
A) Know what organization that is, and
B) Likely deal with an awful lot of the rules he helped craft
Lord knows those who can't make such wonderful teachers... probably why schools are always looking for qualified, experienced people to fill positions...
He'd better save a lot - everything he ever needs when he gets old he'll have to pay someone else's kid to do for him. Better get a condo, getting the grass cut has gotten expensive as kids today expect to get paid. We've all done a very good job of teaching them to be greedy and never give anything back...
And as to the national debt - it seems to me kids or no kids, no one thinks they should actually have to pay for having services (No New Taxes), and then wonder why half the government workers couldn't give a rats a** about them when they stand in line for three hours to get something they need.
"He doesn't likely need to pay a mortgage -- He probably inherited the farm."
As someone whose family just did inherit a farm I can tell you yes, we don't have a mortgage. But you don't even want to think about how much we had to pay in that lovely "inheritance tax" to keep it in the family. I know quite a few people - in fact 99% of the people I know, who couldn't have paid the taxes without selling the farm or getting a mortgage. Farmers get ripped in more ways then you can count. The mega corporations make all the money - it is the economy of scale... and "Mega Corps." don't have to pay inheritance taxes...
If you had any real clue about how much it COSTS to run a farm you wouldn't consider the million $ cut off on inheritance taxes to be very much at all. Having it is nice. Having enough to work it is a slightly taller order, and one they rarely leave the farmers family with after the taxes are paid. It's actually quite a lot of why "mega" corporations are buying them all. The families can't afford to keep them.
And tractor tires cost more then my car, and a new combine costs more then our house. So don't kid yourself about the costs they incur. And that cash better be in the bank, unless you just like being in debt forever.
And we grow wheat - but I can't remember ever not having to go to the store to buy it when we want to bake. It just doesn't come out of the field in a very usable form.
It won't. Not after the last five year run up in prices (think Californians running to sanity - except they packed and brought their lunacy with them...). You can't touch anything you'd want to own in this town anymore for under 3-400,000. At least not in a neighborhood where you'd be able to sit on the patio and not hear sirens all night - a $250,000 house will put you squarely in the poorer neighborhoods surrounded by equally messed up schools. I've had some friends go pretty far out, as, to quote "I figured if I had to spend a half mil. on a house I might as well buy one I liked...". Our house has more then tripled in the eight years we have been in it. So yes, some of the advice above works well. When we move in a couple years (last child finishing high school) we'll be able to sell this puppy and outright buy quite a nice place where we are looking. The plan worked a bit better then we thought it would, but we certainly aren't going to complain...
Prices here aren't actually dropping perceptibly, we are still "growing", so any overbuilding that went on will get absorbed far sooner then in many other areas of the country. At most I think they are calling our housing market "flat". Mostly it just takes a bit longer to sell. Having come from just outside NYC (father got transferred there when I was in third grade...lived in one of those bedroom communities in CT. through high school) I can attest that even so, the cost in NY or any other of the higher dollar towns are three to four times more then even here.
As to the one above about eating out every night - you ever seen what you get in an abode in NYC? If you're lucky you might have a breakfast nook. Real kitchens are generally out of the question. They take up too much room.
Met the fleeing Californians did ya? They've truly made a mess of things were I live. Most of us natives whish they'd go home... can't wait to get out of here actually, there's no sign of their migration ever stopping in these parts.
Forgot to switch to plain text - HTML doesn't keep the line breaks, but it was just a quick thought. I tend to not bother posting much ever to/., so I wasn't paying that much attention...
Funny, that's about exactly what I'm doing. Half way through my masters program next month, in fact. Early education, want to specialize in reading (because if you can't read, opportunities in life are going to be rather limited...). The schools could use a few people with a clue - I guess I could continue griping about how most teachers are a bit limited and the "school system is broken", or I could get involved and try to help raise that bar a bit. I've chosen the second, and as in a previous incarnation I was a Juv. P.O., I already know I enjoy working with kids - even the really messed up ones.
Reading all the above it's obvious to me now why so many adults I know are hating life - let us all go spend the second most meaningful aspect of our life (after family\children) doing something we don't like, and maybe in fact hate. So we can... um, let's see here - I got it: die miserable, but thankful for the dollars we have stored up in the bank (because we all know how handy such will be in the "afterlife")?
Admittedly, it does require a certain level of income to eat and have shelter, but one can figure out "how much is enough" and move on to the things they think matter most in *their* life. I suppose I could keep grinding away with system\network support - it does pay quite a bit more then I will be making as a teacher (I figure I'll be making slightly less then half).
But, then again... we have enough, we can live a rather comfortable life style either way (the money is in the bank, but then we made it a point to not live on the edge of our income over the years too). Kids are razed and on their way to college... This is easily my third "career", depending on how radical a change needs to be to come under "career change" it may well be considered my fourth. There may likely be one or two more down the road, I guess that depends on how much longer I'm breathing.
To all those who are going on about "security" and "stability" - ask all those who have lost their pensions and other retirement options over the past couple decades how well putting up with a hated job for the security of retirement income has worked out for them. I don't see anything, especially after having been inside so many different offices over the past couple decades, that convince me any of us are in for even half as "secure" a retirement as all them were convinced they would have.
For those who haven't noticed, all the big companies are falling over themselves to figure out how to kill any such long term benefit packages. And as all of us are aging, the costs for "retirement" areas are going to be feeling the effects of competition too. So it looks to me like many of us are going to be spending our life (because there may or may not be any meaningful "retirement" in our countries future...) working at jobs we hate (for the "stability" they offer) and die poor anyway. Great plan everyone... hope you find lots to smile about "on the death bed" (as posed above) in all that.
Funny, that's about exactly what I'm doing. Half way through my masters program next month, in fact. Early education, want to specialize in reading (because if you can't read, opportunities in life are going to be rather limited...). The schools could use a few people with a clue - I guess I could continue griping about how most teachers are a bit limited and the "school system is broken", or I could get involved and try to help raise that bar a bit. I've chosen the second, and as in a previous incarnation I was a Juv. P.O., I already know I enjoy working with kids - even the really messed up ones.
Reading all the above it's obvious to me now why so many adults I know are hating life - let us all go spend the second most meaningful aspect of our life (after family\children) doing something we don't like, and maybe in fact hate. So we can... um, let's see here - I got it: die miserable, but thankful for the dollars we have stored up in the bank (because we all know how handy such will be in the "afterlife")?
Admittedly, it does require a certain level of income to eat and have shelter, but one can figure out "how much is enough" and move on to the things they think matter most in *their* life. I suppose I could keep grinding away with system\network support - it does pay quite a bit more then I will be making as a teacher (I figure I'll be making slightly less then half). But, then again... we have enough, we can live a rather comfortable life style either way (the money is in the bank, but then we made it a point to not live on the edge of our income over the years too). Kids are razed and on their way to college...
This is easily my third "career", depending on how radical a change needs to be to come under "career change" it may well be considered my fourth. There may likely be one or two more down the road, I guess that depends on how much longer I'm breathing.
To all those who are going on about "security" and "stability" - ask all those who have lost their pensions and other retirement options over the past couple decades how well putting up with a hated job for the security of retirement income has worked out for them. I don't see anything, especially after having been inside so many different offices over the past couple decades, that convince me any of us are in for even half as "secure" a retirement as all them were convinced they would have. For those who haven't noticed, all the big companies are falling over themselves to figure out how to kill any such long term benefit packages. And as all of us are aging, the costs for "retirement" areas are going to be feeling the effects of competition too.
So it looks to me like many of us are going to be spending our life (because there may or may not be any meaningful "retirement" in our countries future...) working at jobs we hate (for the "stability" they offer) and die poor anyway. Great plan everyone... hope you find lots to smile about "on the death bed" (as posed above) in all that.
Your all ignoring one little thing.. they have a enterprise edition that - hang on now - has a "Group Policy administrative template file". You know, that thing you ought to be able to use if you are managing a corporate network (I know, many admins are as clueless as their users...), you can very easily disable the advanced - that would be share across desktops - the part that involves sending information up to Google. If your admin doesn't know how to prevent unauthorized installs, or how to set up and use the domain policies, he isn't much of an admin & you have bigger problems then Google desktop to worry about....
Maybe the slashdot crowd is getting lazy, but I would have expected this lame complaint to have gone down in flames by the end of the first page... of course, that's only if any of ya had bothered to look (which you already should have long before this article) at the CORPORATE version & understand what a group policy template is & how to use it...
Ummm, the compilers are 90% of the problem - read the link above a bit titled "a few reasons" about how much fun the researchers had trying to optimize ANYTHING. And it's not like the game coders are known for giving us great, stable code - ask any of us who play. Driver issues & crash to desktop or worse are almost a given for the high end games (at least prior to a patch or two...), and they certainly aren't going to spend lots of cash on programmers writing assembly like they used to in order to get around the chips scheduling issues - if they can even get the information to do such.
Well,
Without drivers it ain't worth much, is it? I'm not sure I could talk anyone into spending 2 grand & then slipping in that half the hardware they have invested in will likely never see support... and as far as gaming goes, without the drivers for the game pads\joy sticks\what ever it is they like to use, there isn't much gaming at all. Besides, you might have gotten it to install, but that is a far cry from getting it to perform acceptably with the 5 to10 grand they have invested in software. The performance didn't, and still doesn't, even come close to what they already have. Not much of an upgrade when the software runs slower... Consumer\small office VS large corporate back office are two very different worlds. Flops don't mean much to 95% of the market - if what they already have & what they want down the road don't perform at least as well on the new platform as the one they already have, your never gonna get them to buy it, even if you market the hell out of it. You all need to go back & read the why's of the fiasco - the info is all over the web.
actually they use things like Time Matters, Time Slips, Quick Books, Word Perfect (preferably version 8)...as well as Amicus. They hate upgrading/changing anything... the only reason many have switched to MS Office is because many of the courts have gone to the.doc format for electronic filing (Federal courts tend to be.pdf...) There are lots of lawyers looking at this (one would be my wife), from a legal perspective this is a very complicated case (the Unix code has a rather sorted history). None that I know think much of SCO's position, but that does not mean that the legalities behind it all are so straight forward...
Should the OSS developers wish to "convert" lawoffices, (believe me, I would love to) they need a great time keeping/tracking/billing application. They actually all hate the ones that are out there, but it's all there is that deals with the time issues & billing the way lawyers do....
Ummm, here in this article they say she did sign the NDA...
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/06/13/10552 20751243.html
The quote is:
" Didio had to sign a non-disclosure agreement with SCO in order to be able to have a look at around 80 lines of code."
Now they say she didn't... So did she or didn't she? It appears that they (Yankee Group) can't remember just what exactly it was they are doing and saying either... no wonder they like SCO!!
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Just so you know - the best teachers were also likely rather competent in the "doing". Or as you put it, the "amazing professors" - that's why you liked the one's that came OUT of the field and into the classroom. The one's who were never in the field don't exactly have much of anything insightful for one to learn from. I'm going into teaching now as I figure after 20+ years DOING (about 13 in support the rest in other areas completely), I may actually have some knowledge worth passing down. I at least have some clue as to what the preparation of an education is actually for, rather just some theory about preparing them for employment. And being financially set helps, obviously - as the pay does stink and I wouldn't want to have to try to finance my life on what they pay. My father loved teaching. He worked as a project mgr for the FASB. If you're familiar with accounting you should A) Know what organization that is, and B) Likely deal with an awful lot of the rules he helped craft Lord knows those who can't make such wonderful teachers... probably why schools are always looking for qualified, experienced people to fill positions...
He'd better save a lot - everything he ever needs when he gets old he'll have to pay someone else's kid to do for him. Better get a condo, getting the grass cut has gotten expensive as kids today expect to get paid. We've all done a very good job of teaching them to be greedy and never give anything back...
And as to the national debt - it seems to me kids or no kids, no one thinks they should actually have to pay for having services (No New Taxes), and then wonder why half the government workers couldn't give a rats a** about them when they stand in line for three hours to get something they need.
"He doesn't likely need to pay a mortgage -- He probably inherited the farm."
As someone whose family just did inherit a farm I can tell you yes, we don't have a mortgage. But you don't even want to think about how much we had to pay in that lovely "inheritance tax" to keep it in the family. I know quite a few people - in fact 99% of the people I know, who couldn't have paid the taxes without selling the farm or getting a mortgage. Farmers get ripped in more ways then you can count. The mega corporations make all the money - it is the economy of scale... and "Mega Corps." don't have to pay inheritance taxes...
If you had any real clue about how much it COSTS to run a farm you wouldn't consider the million $ cut off on inheritance taxes to be very much at all. Having it is nice. Having enough to work it is a slightly taller order, and one they rarely leave the farmers family with after the taxes are paid. It's actually quite a lot of why "mega" corporations are buying them all. The families can't afford to keep them.
And tractor tires cost more then my car, and a new combine costs more then our house. So don't kid yourself about the costs they incur. And that cash better be in the bank, unless you just like being in debt forever.
And we grow wheat - but I can't remember ever not having to go to the store to buy it when we want to bake. It just doesn't come out of the field in a very usable form.
It won't. Not after the last five year run up in prices (think Californians running to sanity - except they packed and brought their lunacy with them...). You can't touch anything you'd want to own in this town anymore for under 3-400,000. At least not in a neighborhood where you'd be able to sit on the patio and not hear sirens all night - a $250,000 house will put you squarely in the poorer neighborhoods surrounded by equally messed up schools. I've had some friends go pretty far out, as, to quote "I figured if I had to spend a half mil. on a house I might as well buy one I liked...". Our house has more then tripled in the eight years we have been in it. So yes, some of the advice above works well. When we move in a couple years (last child finishing high school) we'll be able to sell this puppy and outright buy quite a nice place where we are looking. The plan worked a bit better then we thought it would, but we certainly aren't going to complain...
Prices here aren't actually dropping perceptibly, we are still "growing", so any overbuilding that went on will get absorbed far sooner then in many other areas of the country. At most I think they are calling our housing market "flat". Mostly it just takes a bit longer to sell. Having come from just outside NYC (father got transferred there when I was in third grade...lived in one of those bedroom communities in CT. through high school) I can attest that even so, the cost in NY or any other of the higher dollar towns are three to four times more then even here.
As to the one above about eating out every night - you ever seen what you get in an abode in NYC? If you're lucky you might have a breakfast nook. Real kitchens are generally out of the question. They take up too much room.
Met the fleeing Californians did ya? They've truly made a mess of things were I live. Most of us natives whish they'd go home... can't wait to get out of here actually, there's no sign of their migration ever stopping in these parts.
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Here, is this better?
Forgot to switch to plain text - HTML doesn't keep the line breaks, but it was just a quick thought. I tend to not bother posting much ever to
Funny, that's about exactly what I'm doing. Half way through my masters program next month, in fact. Early education, want to specialize in reading (because if you can't read, opportunities in life are going to be rather limited...). The schools could use a few people with a clue - I guess I could continue griping about how most teachers are a bit limited and the "school system is broken", or I could get involved and try to help raise that bar a bit. I've chosen the second, and as in a previous incarnation I was a Juv. P.O., I already know I enjoy working with kids - even the really messed up ones.
Reading all the above it's obvious to me now why so many adults I know are hating life - let us all go spend the second most meaningful aspect of our life (after family\children) doing something we don't like, and maybe in fact hate. So we can... um, let's see here - I got it: die miserable, but thankful for the dollars we have stored up in the bank (because we all know how handy such will be in the "afterlife")?
Admittedly, it does require a certain level of income to eat and have shelter, but one can figure out "how much is enough" and move on to the things they think matter most in *their* life. I suppose I could keep grinding away with system\network support - it does pay quite a bit more then I will be making as a teacher (I figure I'll be making slightly less then half).
But, then again... we have enough, we can live a rather comfortable life style either way (the money is in the bank, but then we made it a point to not live on the edge of our income over the years too). Kids are razed and on their way to college... This is easily my third "career", depending on how radical a change needs to be to come under "career change" it may well be considered my fourth. There may likely be one or two more down the road, I guess that depends on how much longer I'm breathing.
To all those who are going on about "security" and "stability" - ask all those who have lost their pensions and other retirement options over the past couple decades how well putting up with a hated job for the security of retirement income has worked out for them. I don't see anything, especially after having been inside so many different offices over the past couple decades, that convince me any of us are in for even half as "secure" a retirement as all them were convinced they would have.
For those who haven't noticed, all the big companies are falling over themselves to figure out how to kill any such long term benefit packages. And as all of us are aging, the costs for "retirement" areas are going to be feeling the effects of competition too. So it looks to me like many of us are going to be spending our life (because there may or may not be any meaningful "retirement" in our countries future...) working at jobs we hate (for the "stability" they offer) and die poor anyway. Great plan everyone... hope you find lots to smile about "on the death bed" (as posed above) in all that.
Funny, that's about exactly what I'm doing. Half way through my masters program next month, in fact. Early education, want to specialize in reading (because if you can't read, opportunities in life are going to be rather limited...). The schools could use a few people with a clue - I guess I could continue griping about how most teachers are a bit limited and the "school system is broken", or I could get involved and try to help raise that bar a bit. I've chosen the second, and as in a previous incarnation I was a Juv. P.O., I already know I enjoy working with kids - even the really messed up ones. Reading all the above it's obvious to me now why so many adults I know are hating life - let us all go spend the second most meaningful aspect of our life (after family\children) doing something we don't like, and maybe in fact hate. So we can... um, let's see here - I got it: die miserable, but thankful for the dollars we have stored up in the bank (because we all know how handy such will be in the "afterlife")? Admittedly, it does require a certain level of income to eat and have shelter, but one can figure out "how much is enough" and move on to the things they think matter most in *their* life. I suppose I could keep grinding away with system\network support - it does pay quite a bit more then I will be making as a teacher (I figure I'll be making slightly less then half). But, then again... we have enough, we can live a rather comfortable life style either way (the money is in the bank, but then we made it a point to not live on the edge of our income over the years too). Kids are razed and on their way to college... This is easily my third "career", depending on how radical a change needs to be to come under "career change" it may well be considered my fourth. There may likely be one or two more down the road, I guess that depends on how much longer I'm breathing. To all those who are going on about "security" and "stability" - ask all those who have lost their pensions and other retirement options over the past couple decades how well putting up with a hated job for the security of retirement income has worked out for them. I don't see anything, especially after having been inside so many different offices over the past couple decades, that convince me any of us are in for even half as "secure" a retirement as all them were convinced they would have. For those who haven't noticed, all the big companies are falling over themselves to figure out how to kill any such long term benefit packages. And as all of us are aging, the costs for "retirement" areas are going to be feeling the effects of competition too. So it looks to me like many of us are going to be spending our life (because there may or may not be any meaningful "retirement" in our countries future...) working at jobs we hate (for the "stability" they offer) and die poor anyway. Great plan everyone... hope you find lots to smile about "on the death bed" (as posed above) in all that.
Your all ignoring one little thing.. they have a enterprise edition that - hang on now - has a "Group Policy administrative template file". You know, that thing you ought to be able to use if you are managing a corporate network (I know, many admins are as clueless as their users...), you can very easily disable the advanced - that would be share across desktops - the part that involves sending information up to Google. If your admin doesn't know how to prevent unauthorized installs, or how to set up and use the domain policies, he isn't much of an admin & you have bigger problems then Google desktop to worry about.... Maybe the slashdot crowd is getting lazy, but I would have expected this lame complaint to have gone down in flames by the end of the first page... of course, that's only if any of ya had bothered to look (which you already should have long before this article) at the CORPORATE version & understand what a group policy template is & how to use it...
Ummm, the compilers are 90% of the problem - read the link above a bit titled "a few reasons" about how much fun the researchers had trying to optimize ANYTHING. And it's not like the game coders are known for giving us great, stable code - ask any of us who play. Driver issues & crash to desktop or worse are almost a given for the high end games (at least prior to a patch or two...), and they certainly aren't going to spend lots of cash on programmers writing assembly like they used to in order to get around the chips scheduling issues - if they can even get the information to do such.
Well, Without drivers it ain't worth much, is it? I'm not sure I could talk anyone into spending 2 grand & then slipping in that half the hardware they have invested in will likely never see support... and as far as gaming goes, without the drivers for the game pads\joy sticks\what ever it is they like to use, there isn't much gaming at all. Besides, you might have gotten it to install, but that is a far cry from getting it to perform acceptably with the 5 to10 grand they have invested in software. The performance didn't, and still doesn't, even come close to what they already have. Not much of an upgrade when the software runs slower... Consumer\small office VS large corporate back office are two very different worlds. Flops don't mean much to 95% of the market - if what they already have & what they want down the road don't perform at least as well on the new platform as the one they already have, your never gonna get them to buy it, even if you market the hell out of it. You all need to go back & read the why's of the fiasco - the info is all over the web.
actually they use things like Time Matters, Time Slips, Quick Books, Word Perfect (preferably version 8)...as well as Amicus. They hate upgrading/changing anything... the only reason many have switched to MS Office is because many of the courts have gone to the .doc format for electronic filing (Federal courts tend to be .pdf...) There are lots of lawyers looking at this (one would be my wife), from a legal perspective this is a very complicated case (the Unix code has a rather sorted history). None that I know think much of SCO's position, but that does not mean that the legalities behind it all are so straight forward...
Should the OSS developers wish to "convert" lawoffices, (believe me, I would love to) they need a great time keeping/tracking/billing application. They actually all hate the ones that are out there, but it's all there is that deals with the time issues & billing the way lawyers do....
Ummm, here in this article they say she did sign the NDA... http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/06/13/10552 20751243.html
The quote is:
" Didio had to sign a non-disclosure agreement with SCO in order to be able to have a look at around 80 lines of code."
Now they say she didn't... So did she or didn't she? It appears that they (Yankee Group) can't remember just what exactly it was they are doing and saying either... no wonder they like SCO!!