Not exactly "one person" - one person with RedHat completely and firmly behind him - and even then others have chipped in to get syslog to poll Lennart's logging system to produce readable files that can be used even if the system won't start so it's not all bad. The other distros just don't have the resources so accept whatever work RedHat does.
they would realize that Trump is doing some good things
Seriously? Where do you get that fantasy from? Trump's an outsider who came in to game a Party, not a real R, so even if you are a rusted on Party supporter you don't actually need to kiss his backchannel after Putin has pulled out of it.
Im not suggesting a fork, just a patch of a couple of lines that you could apply to redirect logging to a text file. You dont need a team for that.
I posted a few times but wasn't really clear enough - there already is stuff like that (that took a hell of a lot more than a couple of lines) from third parties who came in to clean up that little bit of Lennart's mess from outside of systemd. It's a mindset difference - to Lennart it's perfectly OK to expect the user to type in "journalctl -b" on a running system to read a log instead of providing a log file that someone can read after booting from other media if they want to find out why the system wasn't starting up, and also he sees a few things that would normally be logged as not so important (hardware faults are not so important if your objective is developing code). He spent all that time writing a snazzy little log reader as a cool and trendy bit of development work instead of doing something very simple and more useful when things actually go wrong. When questioned about it his response was "We are writing an OS here for the general purpose, not just a toy for a clique of kernel developers." So it's done, he's moved on, he doesn't want to change logging so its either has to be done from the outside (which works to an extent) or a fork adding a lot more functionality in that area.
The logging is a bit of mess due to being given a very low priority so no, a little more than that, especially since what little you get can be output as text in the end anyway (if the fault isn't something that hangs systemd before it logs that is). The poster way above was just dumbing down the problem by stating "I LOVE having binary logs I can't easily parse". The problem really is having enough logging to make it worth parsing the logs in whatever form they happen to be - stuff vanishes before being written when things really mess up in some distros with systemd. From Lennart:
the journal is configured by default to store logs only in a small ring-buffer in/run/log/journal, i.e. not persistent. This of course limits its usefulness quite drastically but is sufficient to show a bit of recent log history in systemctl status
On the positive side they have been fixing things, but they seem to still be creeping in scope faster than they can fix what they have.
You ought to take a look at the site. It's a real education. We are at, financially speaking, the same point we were in the 1930's economically, only we have been in a negative growth period, depression in other words, since 2001.
Rupert Murdoch with Fox etc gave him a lot of coverage. By his past actions with other political leaders he's not likely to have done it for free and will come and collect.
Regardless whether you love or hate the man, you do have to admit it is an effective way to deal with unfriendly media.
Isn't a funny that Assange got called an attention seeking media whore by about half of the people here for doing something similar a couple of times instead of nearly every single day.
Nothing to debate - he's a serial liar: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/23/opinion/trumps-lies.html?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter_axiosam&stream=top-stories&_r=0&utm_source=TractionNext&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=Worm-Subscribe-270617
Liberty? Not a lot of Liberty in Mogadishu where your anarchist ideology gets played out in reality.
Besides, you've held up Australia as a false example of a society crumbling due to restrictions on automatic weapons before. It's like pretending all of America is like something out of a disaster movie due to some stupid law passed in California. I'm not opposed to gun ownership, I was hunting at the age of 9 - I'm opposed to idiots treating a useful tool as if it's a combination between a flag, a false idol to worship and a penis.
Not really the issue at this point - a binary log of the event that actually exists is good enough, if annoying, but text based logs on the earlier systems which can append to log files are currently getting the job done better than systemd. Logging kind of still sucks despite having been deemed "good enough" and the binary nature of the logs has often been pointed out as one case of the very different mindsets involved. You've got to be very careful to make sure that nothing can cause a race condition to a binary log and make the entire thing unreadable. Lennart is not exactly a careful sort of guy so that bit of unneeded juggling with chainsaws keeps getting pointed out as an example of systemd being not the sort of init system some people want. Personally I'm biased due to the rushed implementation of it on CentOS7 breaking a few things - I don't think users should have to unplug their mouse if they want their computer to boot among a few other systemd implementation glitches at when that distro was new. With some of them I had utterly no idea what happened due to the logging halting before the problem, and others I had to backtrack to the problem via other means - disabling services one by one until it worked.
If you can employ a team of developers to do a fork, then yes, but it's easier to either still use it and hope it improves or use the earlier alternatives that it has yet to match.
Not when the thing is hung up and needs to be booted off CD or something and then you look at the logs to see what happened last time. The problem appears to be more logging interval (ie. no logs for your fault at all). However, it's kind of stupid IMHO to have log files you can't read with simple tools. Yet another example of the different perspective from developers who grew up with MS Windows.
It's just one of a laundry list of reasons it annoys people - the real problem is feature creep before getting the core of it right. Give it a few years after it stops creeping and there may not be anything to complain about.
Linux, Solaris, FreeBSD or whatever - if a file server gives read/write permission to files available to an infected host then they get read and rewritten. File system snapshots help and real backups help even more.
The real story here is that the cameras were farmed out to a for-profit company. A "sin tax" is one thing and bad enough, giving a third party a chance to make a profit from it hurts everyone apart from the profiteers. Time to start looking at the former government for kickbacks or a special job for the guy who sold the farm.
I laid it on that thick and they still don't get it! Sure, your mother is tough, but does that still make it OK for a sleazeball come on to her and to torpedo a deal if she turns him down?
If you are finding it so hard just use static binaries like the pros do in far more difficult cases than you are whining about. Are we in "workman blaming tools" territory or in made up examples territory? Not very impressive either way.
I used it from one of several terminals hooked up to a 286. It worked. It's kind of strange that MS went the way they did instead of building on something solid they already had - corporate infighting or something?
Good point - an example I was given is that if you point a dog will look at where you are pointing and a wolf will look at your hand. Desmond Morris wrote some very good and easy to read books on this topic (and some TV series as well).
The Hillary that repeated her Iraq "mistake" with Syria
Do tell - what did she do there?
and Libya
Funny how the guy Reagan had a good reason to attack is cast as a good guy now just because it's a chance to make a Democrat look bad.
This tribalism is ridiculous. The Manning leaks showed Hillary was unfit to be President but that does not somehow make The Manchurian Candidate (with Putin in his backchannel) a win for the country.
Put him down as uninformed about the most important US base in the Middle East then. It's what you get when you cut the military out of your decision loop and one of your "allies" Saudi Arabia, is already undermining you, but you are lapping up their flattery and going along with them. The consequence is an incredibly stupid action even if somehow Trump is not that stupid.
Oh come on now - be serious. It's getting very easy to spot people who have Putin in their backchannel now. The fun thing will be watching them do a sudden shift from hate of solar electricity generation to cheering because Trump made a comment about a solar wall.
bomb the Syrian base that launched chemical weapons
That base was running the same afternoon - Trump made a "gesture", which recent events has shown has been ignored.
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Not exactly "one person" - one person with RedHat completely and firmly behind him - and even then others have chipped in to get syslog to poll Lennart's logging system to produce readable files that can be used even if the system won't start so it's not all bad.
The other distros just don't have the resources so accept whatever work RedHat does.
Seriously? Where do you get that fantasy from?
Trump's an outsider who came in to game a Party, not a real R, so even if you are a rusted on Party supporter you don't actually need to kiss his backchannel after Putin has pulled out of it.
Im not suggesting a fork, just a patch of a couple of lines that you could apply to redirect logging to a text file. You dont need a team for that.
I posted a few times but wasn't really clear enough - there already is stuff like that (that took a hell of a lot more than a couple of lines) from third parties who came in to clean up that little bit of Lennart's mess from outside of systemd.
It's a mindset difference - to Lennart it's perfectly OK to expect the user to type in "journalctl -b" on a running system to read a log instead of providing a log file that someone can read after booting from other media if they want to find out why the system wasn't starting up, and also he sees a few things that would normally be logged as not so important (hardware faults are not so important if your objective is developing code). He spent all that time writing a snazzy little log reader as a cool and trendy bit of development work instead of doing something very simple and more useful when things actually go wrong. When questioned about it his response was "We are writing an OS here for the general purpose, not just a toy for a clique of kernel developers." So it's done, he's moved on, he doesn't want to change logging so its either has to be done from the outside (which works to an extent) or a fork adding a lot more functionality in that area.
On the positive side they have been fixing things, but they seem to still be creeping in scope faster than they can fix what they have.
Doesn't everyone over 40 already know that?
Rupert Murdoch with Fox etc gave him a lot of coverage.
By his past actions with other political leaders he's not likely to have done it for free and will come and collect.
Isn't a funny that Assange got called an attention seeking media whore by about half of the people here for doing something similar a couple of times instead of nearly every single day.
Nothing to debate - he's a serial liar:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/23/opinion/trumps-lies.html?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter_axiosam&stream=top-stories&_r=0&utm_source=TractionNext&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=Worm-Subscribe-270617
Liberty?
Not a lot of Liberty in Mogadishu where your anarchist ideology gets played out in reality.
Besides, you've held up Australia as a false example of a society crumbling due to restrictions on automatic weapons before. It's like pretending all of America is like something out of a disaster movie due to some stupid law passed in California.
I'm not opposed to gun ownership, I was hunting at the age of 9 - I'm opposed to idiots treating a useful tool as if it's a combination between a flag, a false idol to worship and a penis.
How?
A time machine?
Not really the issue at this point - a binary log of the event that actually exists is good enough, if annoying, but text based logs on the earlier systems which can append to log files are currently getting the job done better than systemd. Logging kind of still sucks despite having been deemed "good enough" and the binary nature of the logs has often been pointed out as one case of the very different mindsets involved. You've got to be very careful to make sure that nothing can cause a race condition to a binary log and make the entire thing unreadable. Lennart is not exactly a careful sort of guy so that bit of unneeded juggling with chainsaws keeps getting pointed out as an example of systemd being not the sort of init system some people want.
Personally I'm biased due to the rushed implementation of it on CentOS7 breaking a few things - I don't think users should have to unplug their mouse if they want their computer to boot among a few other systemd implementation glitches at when that distro was new. With some of them I had utterly no idea what happened due to the logging halting before the problem, and others I had to backtrack to the problem via other means - disabling services one by one until it worked.
If you can employ a team of developers to do a fork, then yes, but it's easier to either still use it and hope it improves or use the earlier alternatives that it has yet to match.
Not when the thing is hung up and needs to be booted off CD or something and then you look at the logs to see what happened last time. The problem appears to be more logging interval (ie. no logs for your fault at all).
However, it's kind of stupid IMHO to have log files you can't read with simple tools. Yet another example of the different perspective from developers who grew up with MS Windows.
It's just one of a laundry list of reasons it annoys people - the real problem is feature creep before getting the core of it right. Give it a few years after it stops creeping and there may not be anything to complain about.
Why do you gun nuts think that Mad Max was a documentary?
Linux, Solaris, FreeBSD or whatever - if a file server gives read/write permission to files available to an infected host then they get read and rewritten.
File system snapshots help and real backups help even more.
The real story here is that the cameras were farmed out to a for-profit company.
A "sin tax" is one thing and bad enough, giving a third party a chance to make a profit from it hurts everyone apart from the profiteers.
Time to start looking at the former government for kickbacks or a special job for the guy who sold the farm.
Seriously?
Then why didn't it happen when she was Secretary of State?
I laid it on that thick and they still don't get it!
Sure, your mother is tough, but does that still make it OK for a sleazeball come on to her and to torpedo a deal if she turns him down?
If you are finding it so hard just use static binaries like the pros do in far more difficult cases than you are whining about.
Are we in "workman blaming tools" territory or in made up examples territory? Not very impressive either way.
I used it from one of several terminals hooked up to a 286. It worked. It's kind of strange that MS went the way they did instead of building on something solid they already had - corporate infighting or something?
MSDOS was a cut down CP/M clone made in a hurry - a move backwards.
Good point - an example I was given is that if you point a dog will look at where you are pointing and a wolf will look at your hand.
Desmond Morris wrote some very good and easy to read books on this topic (and some TV series as well).
Do tell - what did she do there?
Funny how the guy Reagan had a good reason to attack is cast as a good guy now just because it's a chance to make a Democrat look bad.
This tribalism is ridiculous.
The Manning leaks showed Hillary was unfit to be President but that does not somehow make The Manchurian Candidate (with Putin in his backchannel) a win for the country.
Put him down as uninformed about the most important US base in the Middle East then.
It's what you get when you cut the military out of your decision loop and one of your "allies" Saudi Arabia, is already undermining you, but you are lapping up their flattery and going along with them.
The consequence is an incredibly stupid action even if somehow Trump is not that stupid.
Oh come on now - be serious.
It's getting very easy to spot people who have Putin in their backchannel now.
The fun thing will be watching them do a sudden shift from hate of solar electricity generation to cheering because Trump made a comment about a solar wall.
That base was running the same afternoon - Trump made a "gesture", which recent events has shown has been ignored.