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6 Female Founders Accuse VC Justin Caldbeck of Making Unwanted Advances (techcrunch.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from TechCrunch: Yesterday The Information reported on allegations made by half a dozen women working in the tech industry who say they have faced unwanted and inappropriate advances from Silicon Valley venture capitalist, Justin Caldbeck, co-founder and managing partner of Binary Capital. The women include Niniane Wang, co-creator of Google Desktop and a prior CTO of Minted; and Susan Ho and Leiti Hsu, co-founders of Journy, a travel planning and booking service. The Information also talked to three other women who said Caldbeck made inappropriate advances to them. It says these women did not want their names disclosed for fear of retaliation from the VC -- and because of wider concerns they might suffer a backlash from men in the industry who don't see inappropriate advances as a problem. Among the allegations made to The Information are that Caldbeck sent explicit text messages to women; that Caldbeck sent messages in the middle of the night suggesting meeting up; that Caldbeck suggested going to a hotel bedroom during a meeting; that Caldbeck made a proposition about having an open relationship; and that Caldbeck grabbed a woman's thigh under the table of a bar during a meeting. Several of the women reported finding Caldbeck's advances so awkward they gave up on continued dealings with him. In Caldbeck's initial statement, he "strongly" denied the allegations and claimed: "I have always enjoyed respectful relationships with female founders, business partners, and investors." However, in response to The Information's story, his tone changed significantly: "Obviously, I am deeply disturbed by these allegations. While significant context is missing from the incidents reported by The Information, I deeply regret ever causing anyone to feel uncomfortable. The fact is that I have been privileged to have worked with female entrepreneurs throughout my career and I sincerely apologize to anyone who I made uncomfortable by my actions. There's no denying this is an issue in the venture community, and I hate that my behavior has contributed to it." Caldbeck has since released a full statement to Axios, where he says he "will be taking an indefinite leave of absence from Binary Capital..."

419 comments

  1. ..and the march of SocJus continues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    If there's something to this, then they should report this to the cops instead of broadcasting massive smear campaigns. Oh right, filing false reports is illegal so they resort to this instead.

    Feminists just don't want women to have to be held accountable for the truth. So much for equality.

    1. Re:..and the march of SocJus continues by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If there's something to this, then they should report this to the cops instead of broadcasting massive smear campaigns.

      Behavior can be very inappropriate without being illegal. Context matters. My wife has send me explicit text messages late at night. That doesn't mean it is appropriate for me to do the same to a female subordinate. In neither case is it illegal, nor should it be.

    2. Re:..and the march of SocJus continues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Feminists just don't want women to have to be held accountable for the truth. So much for equality.

      So that's how they write women so well...

    3. Re:..and the march of SocJus continues by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 2

      If there's something to this, then they should report this to the cops instead of broadcasting massive smear campaigns.

      Behavior can be very inappropriate without being illegal. Context matters. My wife has send me explicit text messages late at night. That doesn't mean it is appropriate for me to do the same to a female subordinate. In neither case is it illegal, nor should it be.

      Actually, it is illegal to do so to a subordinate. It's called abusing a position of authority. Courts award money for that.

      --
      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    4. Re:..and the march of SocJus continues by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1, Insightful

      If there's something to this, then they should report this to the cops instead of broadcasting massive smear campaigns. Oh right, filing false reports is illegal so they resort to this instead.

      Feminists just don't want women to have to be held accountable for the truth. So much for equality.

      He's since admitted to it, apologized, and stepped down. So it wasn't a smear campaign. Looks more like it's men who don't want women to hold them accountable.

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      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    5. Re:..and the march of SocJus continues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      But did he really do it? When I worked for a vendor to Microsoft, I was required to admit to harassment in order to get severance pay. That sucked, but the seven months of pay and eight months off with my newborn were the greatest time of my life.

    6. Re: ..and the march of SocJus continues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We're getting a divorce!

    7. Re:..and the march of SocJus continues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Considering today's politics, all men are considered de-facto guilty until proven innocent. I don't know if caldbeck truly stepped out of line, but the current situation reenforces the need for evidence based justice instead of the (social) media witchhunts we have now. I hope your wife doesn't ever get mad enough to use those messages against you in divorce court as evidence of 'unwanted advances.' Marriage offers no more immunity to this than any other context. Thanks to pervasive logging of communications, messages like those have a way of cropping up years later, only to be taken out of context by her (and her lawyer). At the time it might've been fine, but women are human and can and do lie after the fact if it'll benefit them.

      As far as context, legality, and appropriateness go, when is it ok to make a pass, these days, and who are the referees? Based on what I've seen, work and school (esp college, but, now, probably hs too) are now no-go zones. Doesn't leave much left. Feminist propaganda lumps reasonable advances in with the unreasonable, which effectively trains women to think any advance by men they don't like is inappropriate. Insane.

    8. Re:..and the march of SocJus continues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bullsh*t. He did not admit to it. He took his ball (cash) and retired from the field. I'm positive that a number of people are currently working full-time to get that money back into the game.

    9. Re:..and the march of SocJus continues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But "unwanted advances" is such a weasel term. There is nothing wrong with making an advance; hell, it's necessary for the survival of the race. Every relationship I've ever been in has been started with an advance on my part. Unwanted? How can you tell until afterward? That's the whole POINT.

      Of course, persistent advances after the target has made it clear that she isn't interested is unprofessional, and can even be illegal. Depends on the facts of the case, which aren't known yet.

    10. Re:..and the march of SocJus continues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or the smear campaign worked.

    11. Re:..and the march of SocJus continues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yes, because people never admit guilt for something they didn't do under duress, right? Maybe he figures he's better off financially if he placates them with his resignation. The problem with witchhunts is that there's no actual evidence required to destroy someone's credibility. Perhaps more men would believe women if they were held accountable for their claims and expected to provide evidence, just like any other crime.

    12. Re:..and the march of SocJus continues by CrankyFool · · Score: 2

      It still isn't something you go to cops for because it's not criminal. And if they retained lawyers to sue him, you'd be accusing them of just doing this for the payoff.

    13. Re:..and the march of SocJus continues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not illegal, though it's probably against company policy and can get you reprimanded or fired.

      However, if you ran your own company, you get to set the rules. I could make a rule that everyone has to undress upon arrival and work naked. If anyone has a problem with that, they are free not to work there.

    14. Re: ..and the march of SocJus continues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't make advancements on people you work with or people you do business with. It's not that complicated.

    15. Re:..and the march of SocJus continues by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Actually, it is criminal if they felt that they had no option but to submit.

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      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    16. Re:..and the march of SocJus continues by Desler · · Score: 0

      No, you actually couldn't. You would be sued and likely lose.

    17. Re:..and the march of SocJus continues by Darinbob · · Score: 2, Informative

      Don't know if he stepped out of line? Did you even read the summary, much less follow the links? He apologized in a way that strongly hints that the allegations were true.

      Such as these sentences from his statement, "I have made many mistakes over the course of my career, some of which were brought to light this week. ... The gap of influence between male venture capitalists and female entrepreneurs is frightening and I hate that my behavior played a role in perpetrating a gender-hostile environment. It is outrageous and unethical for any person to leverage a position of power in exchange for sexual gain, it is clear to me now that that is exactly what I've done."

      Now if he's serious about this and not just placating HR, then I give him far greater credit than to the bros who instantly jump to his defence.

    18. Re: ..and the march of SocJus continues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You, sir, are part of what's wrong with America.

    19. Re: ..and the march of SocJus continues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, broham, you're definitely creepy.

    20. Re:..and the march of SocJus continues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, you actually could. Unless you think all of those topless bars, strip clubs, porn production and film production companies are just mirages or something.

      I ABSOLUTELY could have a naked office environment at my company if I want to. Nothing illegal about it.

    21. Re:..and the march of SocJus continues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but you could get sued for only hiring hot chicks, so you'll need some fat diabetes blobs to make it look legit.

    22. Re: ..and the march of SocJus continues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Diabetic fatso blobs are welcome to walk into the furnace.

    23. Re: ..and the march of SocJus continues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Boo hoo hop!

    24. Re: ..and the march of SocJus continues by loufoque · · Score: 2

      It's even worse with the new generation; they think people coming to talk to them in real life is crazy, and that they should use Tinder instead.

    25. Re: ..and the march of SocJus continues by loufoque · · Score: 1

      That's an arbitrary and very limiting restriction.
      Most people -- especially successful ones -- don't have many social interactions that isn't work-related in some way.

    26. Re: ..and the march of SocJus continues by loufoque · · Score: 1, Interesting

      You mean he was pressurized to step down due to the smear campaigns?

    27. Re: ..and the march of SocJus continues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That sounds like a problem to work on. And not by spraying female subordinate's legs.

    28. Re: ..and the march of SocJus continues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you'd just sent your man racy texts like Bill's sends to him, it might not have come to this.

    29. Re:..and the march of SocJus continues by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Don't know if he stepped out of line? Did you even read the summary, much less follow the links? He apologized in a way that strongly hints that the allegations were true.

      There is a pretty good chance that he did what they accused him of doing.

      But have men not learned? Don't look, don't touch, and for gawd's sake, don't socialize. A few beers, and you might be feeling warm and fuzzy, but remember, if she's had a few as well, she can't give legal consent, and if she isn't interested in you, any romantic overtures you make can be legal sexual assault.

      It does seem bizarre, but it is where we are at.

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      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    30. Re:..and the march of SocJus continues by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      I've worked with women, some as my superior, some as subordinates, virtually my entire working life, and I've never been accused of making unwanted advances, because I haven't.

      Neither have I. On the other hand, I have had a few ladies making "unwanted" advances toward me.

      But somewhere in there is a difference. I just said - "no thanks", we laughed about it, and that was it.

      For the reverse, it is a crime, unless she likes the idea. So it's like that guy who went to live with the Grizzly bears. Ended up being lunch one day.

      I view coworkers, superiors, equals or subordinates, as off limits, and all the women I have worked with have had the same policy. There are plenty of people outside of work if you're looking for love or one night stands, so why piss in your swimming pool by hitting on women at work?

      While I share your avoidance technique - and that is what it is - even where I worked, they recognized that many professional people don't have much of a life outside of work, might actually want a romantic relationship, and you can't dictate to people who they associate with. The fraternization rules kind of got messed up when they purposely hired husband and wife both.

      If a supervisor/subordinate relationship happened, they would move one or the other to a different department.

      But yeah, I would not ever consider expressing interest in a woman at work. In the interest of full disclosure, I wasn't in the market, so I'm not certain how I would react if a woman expressed interest in me if I was single.

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      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    31. Re: ..and the march of SocJus continues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not the legal standard. Feeling like you don't have a choice isn't the same thing as not having a choice. That's bullshit that women use as an excuse for not saying no.

      Unless there's more to it, that's not prosecutable.

    32. Re:..and the march of SocJus continues by ooloorie · · Score: 0

      Actually, it is criminal if they felt that they had no option but to submit.

      They can always, you know, go work for another company. Uber executives had been sued for sexual harassment before Fowler even joined. What is it with women who insist on working for companies run by creeps?

    33. Re: ..and the march of SocJus continues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Apparently it's some sort of male right to be creepy

      Let me stop you there.

      That, specifically, absolutely is a right, for people of all ethnicities, persuasions, and genders.

    34. Re:..and the march of SocJus continues by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      Hit the gym, and make an effort to always look your best. Keep yourself safe by always waiting for the woman to make the first move. Worked for me,

    35. Re: ..and the march of SocJus continues by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The guy has admitted it, there are multiple people making similar accusations and they are willing to publicly stand by them. I suspect that even if the guy was convicted of an actual crime or lost a lawsuit, you would just assume that the system is rigged against men and he is probably innocent.

      In other words, if the accusation comes from a women, you simply refuse to believe it. We have a word for that kind of attitude. I wonder if you know what it is.

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      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    36. Re:..and the march of SocJus continues by chuckugly · · Score: 1

      DId the people in question work for the VC? I thought they were just begging him for money?

    37. Re: ..and the march of SocJus continues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sad but true.

      I say we ship men off to mars. Woman don't like us, well let's see them get by without us. /s

    38. Re: ..and the march of SocJus continues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It depends on the jurisdiction you're in. In my jurisdiction, unwanted sexual advances by someone who you have power over are considered a violation of the occupational health and safety act. In other words, they go from being inappropriate to being unlawful.

    39. Re: ..and the march of SocJus continues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We are swiftly reaching a point where the government has to.approve every hire.
      It started with affirmative action, now we can't even hire cheap foreign workers who are willing to work for dirt. I mean it ought to be a person could hire anyone they thought would bring them the most value as long as the person they are hiring consents to the deal. It's kind of funny many people were against affirmative action .. government deciding that hiring certain people is better for the country. Now those protests were ignored and see where we are at,

    40. Re:..and the march of SocJus continues by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Vegas has gone before us. They are 'models who serve' not waitresses. Yours are 'models who administratively assist while naked', 'models who DBA while naked' etc.

      I hope you're not expecting anything to get done?

      --
      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    41. Re: ..and the march of SocJus continues by AquaDuck · · Score: 1

      I say we ship men off to mars. Woman don't like us, well let's see them get by without us. /s

      Mars? Are you kidding? They'll just milk us for our sperm and make us write jokes.

    42. Re:..and the march of SocJus continues by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      What is it with women who insist on working for companies run by creeps?

      What is it with men who think that a position of power is a license to be a creep? Specifically, why do you think it's okay to be a creep? Are you a creep and just being defensive?

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      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    43. Re: ..and the march of SocJus continues by AquaDuck · · Score: 1

      Gaah! Slipped up on the quotation! Add my voice to those asking for ability to edit posts.

    44. Re: ..and the march of SocJus continues by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      > Apparently it's some sort of male right to be creepy

      Let me stop you there.

      That, specifically, absolutely is a right, for people of all ethnicities, persuasions, and genders.

      And there are consequences, as we're seeing now, same with any dick move.

      --
      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    45. Re:..and the march of SocJus continues by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      Specifically, why do you think it's okay to be a creep?

      I don't even know what "it's okay" is supposed to mean. In what way would it not be "okay"? Do you want "creeps" to be sent off to reeducation camps? To be exiled from the US? To be shot? Come on, stop hiding behind weasel words.

      Are you a creep and just being defensive?

      I don't like men who harass women. I don't like transsexuals. I don't like Christian conservatives. I don't like people who eat with their mouth open. I don't like people who practice poor personal hygiene. There are lots of people I don't like. And I deal with it by simply avoiding people I don't like. You should try it some time.

    46. Re:..and the march of SocJus continues by Darinbob · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's not bizarre. It's the work place, not a pick up bar. If someone doesn't like your advances at a pick up bar then they can go somewhere else. But at work they're stuck, it is difficult to leave and get a different job.

      If something does pick up at work and some romance blooms, it's because of mutual attraction and both people sending off signals. I think a lot of guys don't read the signals correctly, they see a woman talking to them and they assume there's a chance because no one ever talks to them outside of work.

    47. Re: ..and the march of SocJus continues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But if feminists simply avoided assholes, what would they spend their lives bitching about?

    48. Re: ..and the march of SocJus continues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are plenty of happy marriages that started in the workplace. The workplace is one of the places where humans have the most social interaction and opportunities to meet partners. Don't be daft.

    49. Re: ..and the march of SocJus continues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bullshit. You raped me repeatedly in the back room. Prove you didn't or it's true!

    50. Re:..and the march of SocJus continues by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

      It's not bizarre. It's the work place, not a pick up bar.

      Remember some/many of those situations in this instance were also social, so given the cold ware between the sexes here, and my admonition here that men simply avoid any unnecessary interactions with women in the workplace, we're not so far apart.

      That I think it is bizarre is my opinion. In what was a more normal world before it was "fixed", normal men and women in a work environment might engage in flirty talk with no intention of engaging in sex. The creeps? Oh yeah, they were there, and all of the ladies and men knew who they were.

      Now? All men are considered creeps. Now a male/female hug in the workplace is considered a sexual advance (on the part of the male) I've had a some lady co-workers who are "touchy" - when they talk to you, they like to touch you. The type of touch is part of the communication. Part of the reading. As an example, a co-worker who was touchy would do a single hand on my arm just as a regular communication, lean into to me if she was sharing something confidential, use a two hand on the arm if I really needed to pay attention because she was upset about something, and some times a full on hug if she was in a good mood. I'm not personally a touchy person, in fact I had to get used to her interaction method. But I never interpreted it as her wanting anything other than a hug.

      But the idea that I might do the reverse is completely unthinkable.

      And over time, and as the third wave feminists entrenched their privilege, I avoided touchy ladies. I was friends with this woman before men were all evil, so with her it wasn't a big deal. Women I didn't know already were LWA.

      If something does pick up at work and some romance blooms, it's because of mutual attraction and both people sending off signals.

      Not a wise move at all, and I would advise strongly against that. If the relationship sours, it might intrude into the workplace, and is a minefield for both the woman and the man. If the relationship thrives, there is a good chance of the office grapevine getting gossipy about promotions, moves and the like. Danger, Will Robinson!!

      I think a lot of guys don't read the signals correctly, they see a woman talking to them and they assume there's a chance because no one ever talks to them outside of work.

      You're exactly right on that. There are a fair number of men who fall in love with any woman who is nice to them. It is terribly sad. In most cases, it's more annoying than anything else. Occasionally a friend or relative has to be called in to disabuse the guy. But most of these shy guys will just suffer in silence.

      And I think that the workplace cold war and gender wars are approaching this the wrong way. Women are trained from an early age that everyone wants to lay them, and approach everything with the idea that the man who says hello is actually trying to get them in bed, and the shy guy thinks that any woman who smiles at him wants to spend their lives together. I think its the two sides of a coin, one revulsion, and the other attraction. And the rest of normal men just figure the situation is not a good one, and rationally disengage. And the jerks and creeps? They haven't changed a thing.

      This sort of relationship between the sexes isn't healthy in the least.

      But bizarre? All I can say is that normal guys who believe that any sort of relationship with female co-workers is best avoided with great prejudice is serving what the ladies say they want. And well, you can have your way, and you win. But if they think that thinking the weird situation in what is slowly becoming apartheid of the sexes is not allowed, well, sorry - you can't have every single thing you want.

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      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    51. Re: ..and the march of SocJus continues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Affirmative consent = bizarre?

      When anyone asks where the line is, ask yourself, "Did they say 'yes' and not say 'no' at a later time while you were fooling around?" There's your line. No yes, no consent. No consent, line crossed.

      Honestly I don't understand why this is so complicated for so many guys. If getting an audible "yes" is really that hard to get (women like fooling around too), maybe you need to start asking yourself some hard questions about whether or not the advice you get from your bros on Reddit and Slashdot are really worth listening to.

    52. Re: ..and the march of SocJus continues by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Affirmative consent = bizarre?

      When dealing with actual sexual intercourse, alternative consent rules the day.

      When dealing with something like asking a woman if she wants to get some lunch, or catch a movie, affirmative consent becomes a bit more of an issue. Because for many of today's women, the act of asking those questions may or may not be harassment, depending on if she wishes to be asked to lunch or dinner.

      The problem isn't with all - or even most - women. But the repercussions - if you hit the reverse lottery, and the woman interprets "I like your earrings" as you saying "Let's go fuck" - are pretty dire for the earring rapist.

      And by the way, in our sexual harassment reeducation meetings, the woman teaching the session used the earring example as something that men needed to avoid.

      There's your line. No yes, no consent. No consent, line crossed.

      Honestly I don't understand why this is so complicated for so many guys. If getting an audible "yes" is really that hard to get (women like fooling around too), maybe you need to start asking yourself some hard questions about whether or not the advice you get from your bros on Reddit and Slashdot are really worth listening to.

      Because not every male interaction with a woman consists of a guy wanting to have sex with her.

      Not knowing if you are male or female, I'll note that your commentary was pretty much focussed on sexual intercourse. That's a big part of the problem.

      The problem is, you don't know who is going to interpret "I like your dress" or Your new hair style looks great." of my sexual harassment class "Nice earrings." As " I really want to screw you!"

      My career is simply much more important than any interaction with any particular employee or co worker. That's not complicated at all. If I stand a good chance of getting in trouble or losing my job because of telling a lady she looks nice today, I'll simply not do that.

      Seems pretty simple to me.

      And if you don't see normal guys avoiding normal interactions with women as bizarre, well, okay, have your opinion. That also seems bizarre to me. I suspect your entire post which seems to equate every interaction as sexual intercourse oriented might be your issue.

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      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    53. Re:..and the march of SocJus continues by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Lack of free consent has nothing t do with whether the person is in an employer-employee relationship.

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      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    54. Re: ..and the march of SocJus continues by slashdotwannabe · · Score: 1

      Mmmm.... eat shit and die, wouldja?

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    55. Re:..and the march of SocJus continues by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      "I don't like transsexuals. And I deal with it by simply avoiding people I don't like."

      Bullshit. You certainly could have avoided any interaction with my by simply not replying. But you've been doing that - a lot. Quit lying to yourself.

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      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    56. Re: ..and the march of SocJus continues by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      But if feminists simply avoided assholes, what would they spend their lives bitching about?

      But if feminists simply avoided assholes, what would assholes spend their lives bitching about?

      FTFY

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      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    57. Re:..and the march of SocJus continues by slashdotwannabe · · Score: 1

      They can always, you know, go work for another company.

      Or, you know, the sexual harassers can just stop? What the fuck is it with neckbeards that think they can just grope their way across the company and it's their victims that have to go find other work?

      What is it with women who insist on working for companies run by creeps?

      What is it with creeps who insist on running companies>? Or what is it with idiots who think that creeps SHOULD run companies? Oh right. You're a man. Nobody is trying to put you on your knees for a paycheck.

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    58. Re:..and the march of SocJus continues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So it's illegal to tell the panhandler on the offramp to blow me?

    59. Re:..and the march of SocJus continues by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      What is it with creeps who insist on running companies>? Or what is it with idiots who think that creeps SHOULD run companies?

      "SHOULD"? It's a free country. Anybody can run a company, and anybody can choose not to work for them. If people run companies well, they keep running them. If they run them poorly, they soon stop running them. It's as simple as that.

      Nobody is trying to put you on your knees for a paycheck.

      I'm a gay man. If Justin Caldbeck offered me $5 million in VC funding for a blowjob or a date or whatever, why would I be offended?

    60. Re:..and the march of SocJus continues by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      Bullshit. You certainly could have avoided any interaction with my by simply not replying.

      By "avoid" I obviously meant "choose not to work for" and "choose not to socialize with in person".

      Talking on Slashdot is fine, since there is nothing personal at stake and I don't have to worry about not offending your sensibilities.

    61. Re:..and the march of SocJus continues by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      You don't get to redefine terms. You can easily avoid me, but you go out of your way not to. You have a serious lack of insight into yourself. Get some help. Or better yet, don't. I like the fact that my mere existence drives bigots nuts. I really do. It demonstrates the perverse stupidity of people like you - it's like a kid sticking in their finger in an electric socket over and over even though it hurts. You get something out of it, or you'd stop doing it. Just like I get to laugh at your moronic attempts to justify your hate. Why? Because it's funny. And you deserve it, so I'm not going to feel sorry for you. Au contraire, you are just like the poster of the titanic - your purpose in life is to serve as a lesson to others.

      --
      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    62. Re:..and the march of SocJus continues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your attempts at bullying don't work on me. Sorry.

    63. Re:..and the march of SocJus continues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And over time, and as the third wave feminists entrenched their privilege, I avoided touchy ladies. I was friends with this woman before men were all evil, so with her it wasn't a big deal. Women I didn't know already were LWA.

      LWA? ...Living with Autism...?

    64. Re:..and the march of SocJus continues by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      And over time, and as the third wave feminists entrenched their privilege, I avoided touchy ladies. I was friends with this woman before men were all evil, so with her it wasn't a big deal. Women I didn't know already were LWA.

      LWA? ...Living with Autism...?

      Leave Well Alone.

      Although your's was pretty good too!

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      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    65. Re:..and the march of SocJus continues by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Someone bullying you must have worked - you've lost all common sense or the ability to do anything constructive.

      --
      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
  2. who by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    why is this random person newsworthy? oh, he's not, it's just a blog based smear campaign sponsored by slashdot. nice.

    1. Re:who by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Smear campaign? How can it be a smear campaign when he's since copped to it all and apologized? The only people being smeared here are the women. Read the comments - it's amazing (but not surprising) how many comments are attacking the women for (1) complaining in the first place, (2) assuming that it's probably not true so there must be other motives, (3) blame the women for "misunderstanding", (4) "it's not complaint-worthy".

      And yet you all claim there's no discrimination based on sex (or at least no "undeserved" discrimination, or no "serious enough" discrimination).

      Here, let me put it in language you can understand. Lacking self-awareness you are. Into the mirror look you must. Regret this one day you will.

      --
      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    2. Re: who by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My DAMN balls u must suck

    3. Re: who by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't want to go there, """barbra""" is a tranny

    4. Re: who by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the the OP was an idiot in his wording. But he may have something of a valid point regarding whether this was the appropriate news site for this posting.

      Consider that a shitbag VC loser who probably spends more on hair cuts than his laptop.

      The women who came forward are people probably have a web browser and office on their laptops and probably spend most of their time in spread sheets, power point and reading business and fashion news.

      These are the people you'd expect to see attending "burning man".

      Oh, and the women publicly thanked are women that if I were a woman, I would not want to be associated with as they are toxic in the sense that at least one of them has made herself a cheerleader for the cause of "all men are scum" after spending years trying to profit off of discrimination instead of simply resolving the issue and getting back to work. I don't want to discount the causes they stand for, but I sometimes wonder if they sit at home laughing about they managed to live the good life by victimizing women into paying them to tell them they are victims too.

      The women who spoke up are apparently brilliant in their field and should have far more to offer the world than this. I certainly don't see them as having been violated or victimized by this loser than I have been by those types who simply drag their knuckles and make you praise their masculinity if you want money from them. I don't see them as female victims. They simply are people who mistakenly chose to engage in business with someone who is basically a professional gambler that probably bases his entire life on dominance of others. People like him treat men just as badly. I doubt it's about the sex as opposed to the thrill he gets from making people feel subservient to him. Sadly the business world is full of his type as many people choose business and finance because you get to dress expensively, drive fancy cars and fly first class. A high percentage of these people were bullies in high school, bullies in college and are still just bullies.

      I think if this article were written better, instead of being about men vs. women and sex, it should have been about fighting back against bullies, not pervs. I think there is often a backlash by men here because it cheapens our plight against people like him. We are degraded and demeaned by people like this guy every day and we have no real recourse. If the battle were more about fighting back against knuckle draggers, I believe there would be overwhelming support for these women's plights.

      So... the article really doesn't belong in a forum that should be about technology and technical people if it's a battle between people who own more than two pairs of shoes (one pair sneakers, one pair sandels). But if it's about some asshole with too much testosterone losing against the people he bullied... then I think I'm all for it. Technical people can relate to being bullied.

      So... while the OP you responded to is clearly barely one notch above knuckle dragger and he probably isn't half the person he considers himself to be, I'll agree I question the relevance of these people to Slashdot. At some point, we should invite the OP to a retreat for a week or two and teach him how to think before he speaks. Of course, you'd probably be surprised to find that his behavior is a common defense mechanism shown among people who have been repetitively mind-raped by the knuckle draggers.

    5. Re:who by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Smear campaign? How can it be a smear campaign when he's since copped to it all and apologized?

      Frankly, putting it on a news site is the 'smear campaign'.

      I would not have ever heard of this guy if not for this article. I don't care for his dirty laundry.

      There's nothing slashdotworthy about this article.

    6. Re:who by ooloorie · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Smear campaign? How can it be a smear campaign when he's since copped to it all and apologized?

      If you actually read his statement carefully, he has not admitted anything and hasn't apologized for any wrongdoing.

      And yet you all claim there's no discrimination based on sex

      Oh, there is, just not the kind you believe.

    7. Re: who by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      Consider that a shitbag VC loser who probably spends more on hair cuts than his laptop. The women who came forward are people probably have a web browser and office on their laptops and probably spend most of their time in spread sheets, power point and reading business and fashion news.

      That's San Francisco and the startup scene for you: immature and unprofessional regardless of gender.

      Unfortunately, they wield a lot of power and try to take down the rest of us with them.

    8. Re:who by Dripdry · · Score: 2

      Working on a Saturday, but here goes...
      1) unless witnesses come forward, there was no one else there except the guy and the lady.
      2) at that point, we're stuck EXCEPT for...
      3) The woman says she feels the advances were inappropriate
      4) the guy says he feels they might have been, but at first clearly denied the whole thing (typical, people act defensive when acccused)
      so, we're stuck. There is no way to go back and measure feels with current technology. There's no evidence, and this is where the system breaks down.
      It can't help either men or women at this point, because we don't have technology advanced enough to prove emotions or a time machine to go back and see actions/hear words, short of ubiquitous surveillance. All we have are propensities and statements and predictions.

      In the future, I predict what could revolutionize the justice system is showing what people are feeling and at what time. If the woman was feeling aroused and scared (because women are more complex emotionally, yes it's a biological fact) perhaps there's evidence for a trial. If she was feeling happy and aroused (testosterone and serotonin, maybe?) then there's a lot less to back up her statement.

      All this arguing about emotions and feels and he-said-she-said-he-raped-she-abused stuff is driving humanity bonkers. There has to be a solution out there somewhere...

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    9. Re: who by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      Sure, it might not be slashdotworthy... but it does seem there might be an element of truthiness to it :-)

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      Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
    10. Re:who by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      seems to be this guy
      http://images.called.it/user/2...

    11. Re:who by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      If you actually read his statement carefully, he has not admitted anything and hasn't apologized for any wrongdoing.

      In his own words:

      I have made many mistakes over the course of my career, some of which were brought to light this week. To say Iâ(TM)m sorry about my behaviour is a categorical understatement. Still, I need to say it: I am so, so sorry.

      It's amazing, when a guy publicly does something wrong and it's noted by women, armies of white knights such as yourself rush to his defence, even to the point of denying his acceptance the consequences.

      --
      SJW n. One who posts facts.
    12. Re:who by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      In his own words

      Well, in my response, I didn't take that into account because it wasn't in his original statement (RTFA).

      It's amazing, when a guy publicly does something wrong and it's noted by women, armies of white knights such as yourself rush to his defence

      I'm not "rushing to his defence". I think Caldbeck is a creep, just like Kalanick. What I'm pointing out is that they are typical products of progressive educational and social environments. Caldbeck is a married, Harvard-educated lawyer. Kalanick is a UCLA educated enginer who vocally opposed Trump, and he had a female "partner" throughout that affair.

      And what are these creeps doing and what are their (presumably) progressive wives doing about it? Pretty much the same thing that Bill Clinton and Anthony Wiener were doing for years and years to other women, with Hillary Clinton and Huma Abedin enabling it. After all, demanding a committed marriage from your husband and insisting on marital fidelity is just that silly, icky conservative stuff that progressives have long outgrown.

      What you're seeing in Silicon Valley is progressive men and women utterly unable to relate to each other. Oddly, though, progressives weren't calling for Bill Clinton's head when he was engaging in much worse crap than this.

    13. Re:who by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      And what are these creeps doing and what are their (presumably) progressive wives doing about it?

      What a person does is the responsibility of that person. If you act like a jerk, don't go blaming it on your partner. That's not cool.

      After all, demanding a committed marriage from your husband and insisting on marital fidelity is just that silly, icky conservative stuff that progressives have long outgrown.

      Oh I see, you've reached the "just inventing shit" stage of the conversation.

      What you're seeing in Silicon Valley is progressive men and women utterly unable to relate to each other.

      You're also doing the lively trick of saying "X is a progressive and did bad thing Y. Z is a progressive and therefore is also guilt of bad thing Y". That proves you're desperately clutching at straws.

      --
      SJW n. One who posts facts.
    14. Re:who by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      What a person does is the responsibility of that person. If you act like a jerk,

      Look, I believe that Caldbeck and Kalanick acted like jerks because I believe men and women should not have sex outside of marriage, hence propositioning women for sex is clearly beyond the bounds of proper behavior. On the other hand, from a conservative point of view, asking people out for coffee or dinner is fine because there are no expectations of sex associated with such invitations. Of course, men and women do engage in premarital sex, but it's simply not something that conservatives are concerned with protecting or analyzing, and for either men or women the remedy is simple: you decline.

      The progressive view, on the other hand, is evidently that men and women can have sex pretty much whenever both sides agree to it and that this is something that society needs to be concerned with protecting. Heck, society is even subsidizing it by paying for abortions, child services, and STD treatments. Obviously, progressives also have no problem with people in authority propositioning subordinates for sex, since neither Bill Clinton nor Ellen Pao got ostracized for it. Yet, under some ill-defined set of circumstances, men propositioning women for sex is a grave sin in your world view and requires more of a remedy than a simple "no thanks".

      So, it's clear why I object to Caldbeck and Kalanick's behavior, but on what principled basis do you object to what Caldbeck and Kalanick did? It seems to be no different from what a lot of other progressives have done without being called "jerks" by you.

    15. Re:who by serviscope_minor · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Look, I believe that Caldbeck and Kalanick acted like jerks because I believe men and women should not have sex outside of marriage

      I'm always fascinated by the general unwillingness of most people to generalise. This kind of puritanical busybody attitude of poking one's nose into other's business is precisely what leads people to be homophobic too. And yet here you are being guilty of precisely the same thing.

      Being married doesn't make people behave: any cursory glance at history will tell you that marriage didn't stop affairs in the slightest, nor did the societal stigma against sex outside of marriage stop it happening.

      Likewise, not being married does not make one unfaithful.

      On the other hand, from a conservative point of view, asking people out for coffee or dinner is fine because there are no expectations of sex associated with such invitations.

      So why is it always the "happily" married conservatives who get caught with a rent boy in an airport bathrooms then? It's quite astonishing you seem to believe that conservatives are less likely to have affairs.

      But no, there is no first order set of rules for "X" is always OK or "X" is always not OK. Context is the important thing. If you can't understand that, then I suggest you never proposition anyone until you can figure out why context is important and how to judge it, because if you can't judge that, you'll find yourself in whole heaps of trouble and not even know why.

      Of course, men and women do engage in premarital sex, but it's simply not something that conservatives are concerned with protecting or analyzing, and for either men or women the remedy is simple: you decline.

      Well that's why conservatives are stupid. If you refuse to analyse something then it's impossible to make reasoned decisions about it.

      The progressive view, on the other hand, is evidently that men and women can have sex pretty much whenever both sides agree to it and that this is something that society needs to be concerned with protecting.

      If you mean that consenting adults should be able to do whatever they like in the privacy of their homes and that the government shouldn't poke it's nose in, then yes, that is what we think. Big brother has no place in my bedroom, thankyou very much!

      Heck, society is even subsidizing it by paying for abortions, child services, and STD treatments.

      None of those things ever happened before liberals existed. True story!

      Obviously, progressives also have no problem with people in authority propositioning subordinates for sex

      aaaaand you're back to the "making shit up" part of the argument.

      Yet, under some ill-defined set of circumstances,

      It's the context that makes it. The thing is in the real world with real humans context is important. Take for example punching someone in the face. If it's a copper, you'd get shot, or arrested or something. In a boxing match, you'd get points for it. See? Context makes the difference.

      Context does not mean "ill defined", it means that it's not defined by excessively simplistic rules.

      but on what principled basis do you object to what Caldbeck and Kalanick did?

      It seems to be no different from what a lot of other progressives have done without being called "jerks" by you.

      Abuse of position of power in Caldbeck's case.

      You are criticizing me for not publicly posting comments on slashdot admonishing Bill Clinton fully years before I even knew slashdot existed and got myself an account. So, yes, I made no public comments during Bill Clinton's time in office.

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      SJW n. One who posts facts.
    16. Re:who by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      If you refuse to analyse something then it's impossible to make reasoned decisions about it.

      I am analyzing it, you just refuse to listen and keep making it personal. And the analysis that the Kalanick and Caldbeck and Fowler and Wang and most of the other people involved in these scandals are progressives living in an area where the social norms are that sex without any sort of commitment is considered socially normal and acceptable. It should be obvious that such an environment produces widespread sexual harassment, among many other problems.

      Abuse of position of power in Caldbeck's case.

      What "power" does Caldbeck have? He's not like a politician using state troopers to procure women for him, he is a VC with money, that's all. The women simply have bruised egos because Caldbeck said, in effect, "your ideas aren't that great, but I'll hire you as a high priced hooker instead".

      You are criticizing me for not publicly posting comments on slashdot admonishing Bill Clinton

      I'm not criticizing you; you're just some left wing Brit. I'm saying that Silicon Valley was fine with Bill and Hillary's misconduct, which is inconsistent with now making a big deal about VCs or bosses propositioning employees. In fact, Kalanick and Caldbeck themselves appear to have been raised in progressive environments and appear to have been Hillary supporters.

      So why is it always the "happily" married conservatives who get caught with a rent boy in an airport bathrooms then? It's quite astonishing you seem to believe that conservatives are less likely to have affairs.

      I didn't make any arguments about "likelihood". You're stuck on the false dichotomy that a society needs to be either politically and morally conservative, or politically and morally liberal/libertine. What you don't see is that for a society to work well with permissive laws, people need to choose to be in control of their urges. Obviously, in Silicon Valley, there is a culture that celebrates people giving in to their urges, and in addition to a lot of fun sex, that also produces people like Caldbeck and Kalanick. You can't have one without the other. That doesn't mean that I think the laws should become less permissive, it means that I think people should vote with their feet and just avoid places and people like that.

    17. Re:who by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure you're basically the lolitrolu guy. Much like him, you are not coming up with cunning logical fallacies, you're putting forth silly opinions. Well ,I hope you're like that guy because the alternative is that you're (a) dead serious and (b) can vote.

      I am analyzing it,

      Dude, you said this:

      Of course, men and women do engage in premarital sex, but it's simply not something that conservatives are concerned with protecting or analyzing

      . You're stuck on the false dichotomy that a society needs to be either politically and morally conservative, or politically and morally liberal/libertine.

      No dude, you brought that up not me. It's stupid to bring up terms then whine about the terms when I address your points.

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      SJW n. One who posts facts.
    18. Re:who by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      Much like him, you are not coming up with cunning logical fallacies, you're putting forth silly opinions.

      Well, I'm glad that this has finally sunk in: we are talking about opinions (specifically, opinions about values), not facts. And I have simply stated that I have a low opinion of all principals involved: the sex crazed men, the whiny women, or the white knight defenders, for which you have accused me of all sorts of misconduct.

      No dude, you brought that up not me. It's stupid to bring up terms then whine about the terms when I address your points.

      I'm sorry, I should have anticipated that such political terms are confusing to you. As I was saying, the term "conservative" can have both a political and a moral meaning.

      Well ,I hope you're like that guy because the alternative is that you're (a) dead serious and (b) can vote.

      Well, you certainly can't vote in California, which brings us back to the question why Brits like you have such an obsession with the US. Is it an inferiority complex? Or are your own politics and circumstances so miserable that you're trying to escape from them? Which is it?

    19. Re:who by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Well, I'm glad that this has finally sunk in: we are talking about opinions (specifically, opinions about values), not facts.

      Well you are appearing as the typical conservative, that's for sure. Opinions aren't the same as facts but they ought to have some some relation.

      I mean you can have an opinion that the earth is flat, that we're not causing global warming but the fact they're opinions doesn't make them any less foolish.

      or which you have accused me of all sorts of misconduct.

      So, basically a few people got kinda dinged completely legitimately for misconduct and you came on to the threads saying how it's awful and you don't want it to happen to you. I didn't accuse you of misconduct my man, you admitted to it then backpedaled. I'm prepared to concede that you were in fact being a plonker and merely saying stupid stuff without thinking and weren't in fact guilty of such misconduct.

      Very magnanimous, see.

      I'm sorry, I should have anticipated that such political terms are confusing to you.

      Definitely trolling. Either that or your attention span is so short you can't even remember what your wrote.

      Well, you certainly can't vote in California, which brings us back to the question why Brits like you have such an obsession with the US

      Can't defend your opinions? Then attack the motivation of the messenger! That basically means you're out of points and have conceded defeat.

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      SJW n. One who posts facts.
    20. Re:who by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I believe men and women should not have sex outside of marriage". I believe the same thing...but I take it a step further: I believe all women should be respected, even if they engage in extramarital sex. This come straight from Jesus' lips: Matthew 5:28 (don't treat women like bodied, treat them like human beings), John 4:18 (Jesus talked to and respected the woman, even though he knew she was in an extramarital relationship), John 8:2-11 (don't condemn women for having extramarital relationships).

      What Caldbeck did was not respect women's boundaries; he did not read them women's unspoken cues that they felt uncomfortable with him pushing their boundaries. Getting Laid is about establishing dominance, yes, but it's also about reading women and acting only when there are indicators of interest (IOIs).

      In terms of Bill Clinton, that was two decades ago -- and I hope silicon valley has made a lot of progress eliminating sexual harassment since then (there was definitely a "boy's club" culture back then).

  3. yup by phantomfive · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This news is:

    Probably largely true,
    probably what he did isn't illegal (just awkward),
    and he's probably already been punished by his company.

    tbh there's no reason to publicize anyone in this story, the situation's been handled. Let people move on with their lives.

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    "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    1. Re:yup by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 3, Insightful

      First, it's been verified by the guy. He's admitted his guilt, apologized, and stepped down. No "probably" about it.

      Second, this is a tech site, and we're talking about venture capital in the tech sector, so given all that, plus it undeniably being true, it's certainly an appropriate story for slashdot.

      Third, if the story hadn't been publicized so much, he would have stuck with his original lies, while slandering the women by basically calling them liars.

      --
      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    2. Re:yup by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      First, it's been verified by the guy. He's admitted his guilt, apologized, and stepped down. No "probably" about it.

      For anything reported in the news, there's a probability distribution. It's probably true.

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      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    3. Re:yup by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1, Interesting

      tbh there's no reason to publicize anyone in this story, the situation's been handled. Let people move on with their lives.

      If one of these women had been your sister or your daughter, would you have considered the situation "handled" after Caldbeck stepped down?

      So what's wrong with these women sticking up for themselves? There's nothing wrong with hanging a jacket on him so that women at his next venture are duly warned. Not every matter is best handled by courts or law enforcement. If what these women are saying isn't true, there are libel laws to handle it.

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      You are welcome on my lawn.
    4. Re:yup by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Second, this is a tech site, and we're talking about venture capital in the tech sector, so given all that, plus it undeniably being true, it's certainly an appropriate story for slashdot.

      ...according to the very broad view that would probably include stories on what company founders eat for breakfast. My, do I miss the old /. that would prioritize technical news over this nonsense...

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      Ezekiel 23:20
    5. Re:yup by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      Oh, he probably just "brushed their shoulders"... I'm sure Bill Cosby can set him right.

      Sheesh.

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      She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
    6. Re:yup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Second, this is a tech site,

      Since I've come back, I've seen more shit about Social Justice than linux or F/OSS...

      while slandering the women by basically calling them liars.

      Man calls some women liars?! HOLY SHIT THAT'S WORTHY OF MY ATTENTION.

    7. Re:yup by kelanos · · Score: 3, Insightful

      if the story hadn't been publicized so much

      When public opinion turns against you, it doesn't matter what you say, you're 'guilty', and denying it only makes it worse.

      He absolutely did not admit his guilt, there was no description of the exact events that happened by either party.

      The "sexual harassment" witch trials continue, fueled by bleeding hearts of the naive (to put it the nicest way possible), burning independent businessmen at the stake, paving the way for further acquisition and consolidation of "rogue" businesses competing against the status quo.

    8. Re:yup by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      If one of these women had been your sister or your daughter, would you have considered the situation "handled" after Caldbeck stepped down?

      There was no real damage, it wasn't assault, just harassment. If it happened to my sister I would be proud of her for standing up for herself, and now that Caldbeck isn't likely to do it again, move on with her life.

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      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    9. Re:yup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes but can you let people move on with their lives or not? Yes or no?

    10. Re:yup by Rockoon · · Score: 2

      Notice how BarbaraHudson has posted more than once here that the guy "copped to it" and "admitted it"

      Notice also that BarbaraHudson is lying.

      This is why we dont believe it happened just because its been claimed to have happened. Not only might the people accusing him be lying, there is an army of liars literally already saying that the guy admitted it.

      They want us to believe every rape accusation, but there is good reason to believe that "the general case" is a bunch of liars lying. Right here we got at least one... BarbaraHudson, scumbag slashdot liar.

      --
      "His name was James Damore."
    11. Re:yup by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 3, Informative

      You need to get out more. He most certainly admitted it:

      A prominent venture capitalist admitted to sexually harassing women in the tech industry, saying he leveraged his “position of power in exchange for sexual gain” in the latest discrimination and misconduct scandal to rock Silicon Valley.

      Justin Caldbeck announced on Friday that he would be taking an indefinite leave of absence from Binary Capital, the firm he co-founded, following the claims of six women who accused the 40-year-old of making unwanted advances, often in the context of potential business deals.

      The power dynamic that exists in venture capital is despicably unfair,” he said in his statement. “The gap of influence between male venture capitalists and female entrepreneurs is frightening and I hate that my behavior played a role in perpetrating a gender-hostile environment.”

      So what is "position of power for sexual gain" again? And exactly what role did he play? Seek and ye shall find.

      But after the story spread in Silicon Valley, Caldbeck reversed his position and issued a direct apology to the three women named in the article and “to the greater tech ecosystem, a community that I have utterly failed”.

      He also said he was “deeply ashamed” of his lack of self-awareness and would seek professional counseling:

      You don't seek professional help if you've done nothing wrong.

      Also notice how different this is from his original blanket denial: In the original piece, Caldbeck said:

      “I strongly deny the Information’s attacks on my character. The fact is, I have always enjoyed respectful relationships with female founders, business partners, and investors.”

      He denied it. Now he admits he needs to get help for it.

      --
      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    12. Re:yup by cryptizard · · Score: 2

      Or wife. Mine is an entrepreneur and unfortunately she gets propositioned all the time by VCs, other executives, you name it. Even wearing a ring. Guys are gross.

    13. Re:yup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Note, the person rushing to say he "admitted his guilt".

      It's the same on every story like this. Lie, lie, lie and people don't have time to check it.

      This stuff is fucking corrosive.

      Men at the top of business should treat women as toxic waste in a business. You should never be alone with one and treat every interaction as hostile. They cannot be trusted - given the number of instances of lying for revenge, money etc.

    14. Re:yup by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      First, it's been verified by the guy. He's admitted his guilt, apologized, and stepped down. No "probably" about it.

      You need to read his non-apology more carefully because that's not what it said.

      And he has taken an indefinite leave of absence, not "stepped down".

      He has lots of money, and many people will have absolutely no problem taking his investments.

    15. Re:yup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I had a sister she wouldn't be a stuck up whore that expects to get free stuff for being a woman. Women regularly flirt with men to get things they shouldn't have.

      Women have very little accountability in the US right now. They may not be aware of it, but it's common for women to use sexuality to get things they want and then to bitch about how guys misunderstood it. Not saying that's what happened here, but perhaps if women would exercise some degree of responsibility for themselves, it would make it a lot easier for men to figure out when is and isn't a good time to make an advance.

      Also, most of the things described are only a big deal to women that have been socialized to feel entitled. You don't see women being expected to avoid sexually harassing men. And yet they're an even bigger problem than men are. But, men don't whine about it, because we're better than that.

    16. Re: yup by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      He conceded that if the woman say they were uncomfortable that they were likely uncomfortable, then stated he had no intention of causing discomfort and was sorry for that. He didn't 'admit' anything, as he didn't concede to any wrongdoing (nor did he do anything wrong, even if we take each woman at her word.)

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      Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
    17. Re:yup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is how The Guardian worded it, yes, and yes it was a direct admission. But let me quote Caldbeck's apology: "To say I'm sorry about my behavior is a categorical understatement" "my behavior played a role in perpetrating a gender-hostile environment"

      Or, how about this line in his apology "It is outrageous and unethical for any person to leverage a position of power in exchange for sexual gain, it is clear to me now that that is exactly what I've done."

      With all due respect, how can you read that and claim that he did not admit his guilt?

    18. Re:yup by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      There's nothing wrong with hanging a jacket on him so that women at his next venture are duly warned

      Warned of what exactly? "Hey baby, do you want to sleep with me? Might improve your chances of funding." "Geez, you must be desperate. But, no, thanks. Now either let's get back to business or I'm out of here". Oh the horror of it! Those poor, poor women!

    19. Re:yup by ooloorie · · Score: 2

      Or wife. Mine is an entrepreneur and unfortunately she gets propositioned all the time by VCs, other executives, you name it. Even wearing a ring. Guys are gross.

      And she gets a valuable piece of information for free there: these are people she doesn't want to do business with. And the best thing she can do is walk right out.

    20. Re: yup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You did not read the apology, which states this: "It is outrageous and unethical for any person to leverage a position of power in exchange for sexual gain, it is clear to me now that that is exactly what I've done."

    21. Re:yup by kelanos · · Score: 2

      We all read his actual statement, you drone.
      Because the Guardian paraphrases him doesn't mean that's what he said.

      You don't seek professional help if you've done nothing wrong.

      Maybe you seek it when public opinion is soundly against you and you have no choice but to submit to their will. There's no use protesting a guilty verdict, you will only make your sentence worse. Submission is what they want to see, and submission will shorten your sentence ("good behavior").

      By God, your logic is circular and idiotic, but I won't bother pointing out to you why in detail, as you are clearly blinded by emotion and lack the inclination toward rational thought.

    22. Re: yup by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      OK. I take that back. He DID say he got laid. I wonder if it was all of them, or just one?

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      Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
    23. Re:yup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because he hasn't. That's what men say that know there's going to be a witch hunt incoming that they're hoping to stop before it gets worse. The apology is pretty much completely lacking in any substance.

      We know that he's taking a leave of absence and allegedly planning to see a shrink. But, nothing I saw in those links actually communicated that he did anything wrong other than than putting his hand on that woman's thigh.

      The fact that you're reading those as an admission of guilt tells me that you're reading things into it that aren't there. Apologizing for causing feelings is a bullshit weasel way out of it without accepting responsibility. I'm not sure whether he should be accepting responsibility or not, I wasn't there. But claiming that this is an admission of guilt is rather silly. He said pretty much everything except that he's guilty.

    24. Re: yup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem was not that he had sexual relations. The problem is that there was an element of coercion. As someone else worded it:

      The women were all in contact with the VC in a professional capacity. Some as founders hoping to secure funding from his fund for their businesses. It’s hard to imagine a more skewed power dynamic.

    25. Re: yup by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      The fact that you read something doesn't make it accurate. The skewed power dynamics are "male wants VC capital from heterosexual male" and "male has no money but wants sex from a woman." "Man has VC capital and wants sex from woman who wants said capuital" is called an equal power dynamic. She doesn't have to make the trade, but they each have something the other one wants. It doesn't get anymore equal than that.

      Maybe the woman didn't consciously flirt with him, but she likely did. That's what woman do; it's still their main power in this society. They certainly didn't send a clear message, unless this guy is an idiot.

      I'm sorry but "Woman flirts and man reads flirtation and attempts to get with her" is not wrong, save that the woman was planning on holding out the carrot, getting the prize, and keeping the carrot.

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      Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
    26. Re:yup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      nothing I saw in those links actually communicated that he did anything wrong other than than putting his hand on that woman's thigh

      You didn't read the apology (That's a link. You click on it, in other words you put your mouse cursor over the link and click on the mouse button, or simply touch the link if using a touchscreen device like a tablet or smartphone.)

      "It is outrageous and unethical for any person to leverage a position of power in exchange for sexual gain, it is clear to me now that that is exactly what I've done."

    27. Re: yup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you have any evidence that these women were acting in flirtatious ways with him or otherwise expressing interest? Or is this just uninformed speculation on your part?

    28. Re: yup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can you read? Evidently not.

    29. Re:yup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Babara Hudson, being a narcissist, loves to draw attention to himself, and he thought that getting a sex change would help with that. When it didn't, he decided to jump on the ultrafeminism bandwagon and claim that everybody is out to sexually harass him, even though nobody on this planet would want to do anything sexual with him at all. He would secretly love it if he had so much as a peeping Tom spying on him, while publicly complaining about it to draw even more attention to himself.

      Captcha: "sociable", something Barbara isn't.

    30. Re:yup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why "seek professional counseling" doesn't mean he's getting a lawyer?

    31. Re:yup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I read the link and I wouldn't consider that to be particularly telling. Read the whole "apology" note and it's pretty clear that he isn't apologizing. This is one of those non-apologies that people issue because they're forced to.

    32. Re: yup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anthony Watts: “When You Resort To Name Calling, You’ve Lost The Argument”

    33. Re:yup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      tbh there's no reason to publicize anyone in this story, the situation's been handled. Let people move on with their lives.

      If one of these women had been your sister or your daughter, would you have considered the situation "handled" after Caldbeck stepped down?

      So what's wrong with these women sticking up for themselves? There's nothing wrong with hanging a jacket on him so that women at his next venture are duly warned. Not every matter is best handled by courts or law enforcement. If what these women are saying isn't true, there are libel laws to handle it.

      "unwelcome advance"

      Nope, don't give a shit. Asking someone out is not a crime even if a woman is inconvenienced.

    34. Re:yup by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Asking someone out is not a crime even if a woman is inconvenienced.

      And these women telling the world that Caldbeck made unwanted advances on them is also not a crime.

      As I said, not every matter is best handled by the courts or law enforcement.

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      You are welcome on my lawn.
    35. Re:yup by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Warned of what exactly? "Hey baby, do you want to sleep with me? Might improve your chances of funding." "Geez, you must be desperate. But, no, thanks. Now either let's get back to business or I'm out of here". Oh the horror of it! Those poor, poor women!

      Nobody is saying you should have pity for the women. They took matters into their own hands and handled Caldbeck in a perfectly legal, public way.

      Sometimes, things work out for the best.

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      You are welcome on my lawn.
    36. Re:yup by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      They took matters into their own hands and handled Caldbeck in a perfectly legal, public way.

      Well, and I take matters into my hands and say you're all behaving like immature little kids, and I don't want to work with any of you. And that upsets you because...?

    37. Re:yup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What if I told you technology could exist without daily injections of venture capital?

    38. Re:yup by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Read James Triptree Jr's Houston Houston Do You Read ..." A sci-fi classic written way back in 1976, she pretty much nailed it when it comes to men like you. And she wasn't a misanthrope - read about her life and how she died.

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      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    39. Re:yup by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Well, and I take matters into my hands and say you're all behaving like immature little kids, and I don't want to work with any of you. And that upsets you because...?

      That's fine. Do as thou wilt and go in peace.

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      You are welcome on my lawn.
    40. Re:yup by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Everybody should read James Tiptree, Jr. One of the best science fiction writers of the 20th century.

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      You are welcome on my lawn.
    41. Re: yup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When are you going to stop raping me, Barbara?

    42. Re: yup by Reverend+Green · · Score: 1

      "Inane quotes are the last resort of one who has lost an argument, and is too dull-witted to call his opponent names." -- Wilford Brimley

    43. Re:yup by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      It's reached the point where basically no evidence would convince you. That's not logic, it's religion. His unedited official statement opens with this line:

      The past 24 hours have been the darkest of my life. I have made many mistakes over the course of my career, some of which were brought to light this week. To say I'm sorry about my behavior is a categorical understatement. Still, I need to say it: I am so, so sorry.

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      SJW n. One who posts facts.
    44. Re:yup by Megol · · Score: 1

      Then I guess you came back after a traumatic brain injury. Because someone with a working brain can't possibly have such a skewed idea of what's posted here...

    45. Re:yup by Megol · · Score: 1

      You call others immature?!? LOL. Yeah...

    46. Re:yup by Cederic · · Score: 1

      If one of these women had been your sister or your daughter, would you have considered the situation "handled" after Caldbeck stepped down?

      My sister would've fucked him without asking for an investment. Her life, her decisions. I'm not going to get upset about them.

      I don't have a daughter but if I did and she got propositioned on a sex for money basis, she'd be able to make her own choice.

      There's nothing wrong with hanging a jacket on him so that women at his next venture are duly warned.

      Warned of what? Man has dick, wants it wet? Fucking hell, there's a big fucking surprise.

      Next thing you know all the women will be complaining that there are no men available. By which they'll mean no well educated wealthy men. My empathy levels are low.

    47. Re:yup by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Not a misanthrope, just a murderer. Ok.

      The synopsis of the story suggests a prejudiced view of men and not one that matches the reality I live in. Which caricature were you trying to apply to the person to whom you responded?

      Clearly you support women killing men - a theme in the story and the reality of its author. So why all the bitching in this discussion about when a man merely fucking flirts with a woman? Bigoted much?

    48. Re:yup by Megol · · Score: 1

      Nailed it? You have to have some real issues. Oh you have - your opinions of what is correct and your skewed views on males (and females though less obvious) combined with little hints here and there points out that you really should get out more, should really learn to understand people and shouldn't be so freaking judging about other people.

      Holding up a fiction as something reflecting reality when it is filled with obvious stereotypes and doesn't match scientific observations is beyond foolish.

       

    49. Re:yup by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      tbh there's no reason to publicize anyone in this story, the situation's been handled. Let people move on with their lives.

      We routinely have discussions here where a sizable proportion of Slashdot readers insist, absolutely insist, that the tech world doesn't have problems with women, and that women who make complaints are usually making them up in order to pursue a social justice agenda.

      So, while it may make the situation of this poor, poor, hard done by, almost totally blameless, sexual assaulting jackass a little less comfortable, I think it's entirely reasonable it gets mentioned here.

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      You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
    50. Re:yup by squiggleslash · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And the best thing she can do is walk right out.

      Your message to women is seriously to tell them to stay out of business?

      Here's an idea instead: why don't we shame and fire the assholes, and let the women actually do the jobs they want and are qualified for? Why do the assholes get to win?

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      You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
    51. Re:yup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not trying to say that Caldbeck is innocent.
      This is just typical PR response.
      1. Deny
      2. If denying doesn't work deny again.
      3. If denying again doesn't work, admit fault without admitting guilt.
      4. Take a leave of absence to separate personal guilt from institutional guilt and protect the company from law suites.
      5. Admit to enrollment in psychological/religious counseling to setup image rehabilitation.
      6. Wait until media cycle moves on to something else and go back to your high paying job.

    52. Re:yup by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      Your message to women is seriously to tell them to stay out of business?

      No, my message is for anyone to walk out of individual business deals where the other side behaves unprofessionally. Same way I and others deal with any other problems in business deals or employment.

      Here's an idea instead: why don't we shame and fire the assholes and let the women actually do the jobs they want and are qualified for?

      Good idea! The way we "fire assholes" in business is to walk out on deals with them. If you provide something valuable to them, it's the biggest punishment you can dole out.

    53. Re:yup by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      What if I told you technology could exist without daily injections of venture capital?

      I absolutely agree. It was better before people started throwing mad money at anything even remotely tech. Then people were more focused on making a product that was good enough that it would attract customers, not slide shows of crazy projections using non-working mock-ups to get bought out, or for the founders to cash out.

      --
      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    54. Re:yup by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      She was way ahead of her time. She cared for her sick husband until he couldn't take it any more, helped him die, then killed herself.

      Today he would have been able to have an assisted death. He met the criteria. Just because society at the time was afraid to deal plainly with these issues doesn't mean she did anything wrong. Just illegal. And in many countries, you wouldn't be able to get a murder conviction today. Certainly not here, where this would be seen as a symptom of society failing the elderly.

      Some of what you try to dismiss as "flirting" was way beyond acceptable limits. And extremely unprofessional. But the frat-boy mentality that this site has degenerated to since 2000 makes your reply expected.

      --
      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    55. Re:yup by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      You really don't understand the purpose of the best sci-fi. It pushes the boundaries by, in this case, taking stereotypes and forcing you to take a closer look and see how under the right circumstances they could become all too real. We see the misogynist bible nut (the commander), the second thinks he's god's gift to women, and the third a guy who has insight into what makes men tick and realizes that, ultimately, he's just another manifestation of the same thinking the first two indulge in.

      As for your claim that those obvious stereotypes don't match scientific observations, you don't have to be a scientist - just read the news. Defunding of Planned Parenthood because they use (non-federal privately donated) funds for abortion, the latest health care proposal, drafted by 10 men and 0 women, that wants to defund prenatal services, the counting of rape as a "pre-existing condition", the reincarnation of the Tea Party religious conservatives as the new alt right. Or just read the comments here, which also reinforce those same stereotypes.

      Let me guess - you failed your high school literature classes.

      --
      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    56. Re:yup by Cederic · · Score: 1

      I'm not dismissing it as anything. I'm just highlighting that you're just fine and dandy with homicide but horrified by some fucking flirting.

      I don't give a shit how inappropriate it was, I'm still going to class it as rather less of an imposition than killing someone.

    57. Re: yup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try harder. Use a real quote. Then again, I should expect that much from someone who has been homeless and is probably mentally ill.

      To address the grandparent, we could make up a zillion imaginary scenarios that make Caldbeck innocent. But they are imaginary scenarios until we have evidence. Caldbeck, bottom line, practiced bad game: He shat where he worked. He tried to seduce women at work instead of doing what skilled PUA artists do: engagin in street game, going to nightclubs, travelling to other countries, having a really good Tinder profile, etc. If he did things right, he would have gotten laid instead of getting fired.

    58. Re:yup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For him to be innocent, not only would he have to be lying in his apology (as you admit), but also no less than six women will have to be lying about their interactions with him. It would require, well, a conspiracy, and I am not one to subscribe to conspiracy theories.

      Caldbeck, bottom line, practiced bad game: He shat where he worked. He tried to seduce women at work instead of doing what skilled PUA artists do: engagin in street game, going to nightclubs, travelling to other countries, having a really good Tinder profile, etc. If he did things right, he would have gotten laid instead of getting fired.

    59. Re:yup by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      What I said is that it was fully justified. When a killing is justified, it doesn't meet the definition of murder. At best, it's assisted suicide - something that the world is moving to, and I have no problem with. Even a few US states recognize it's needed.

      What's more of an imposition is forcing someone who wants to die to continue to suffer. Keeping them alive past that point is torture. You wouldn't do it to a dog, but you're okay with doing it to a human. Anyone who does this is a sadistic willfully ignorant bastard.

      --
      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    60. Re:yup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds to me like he's just trying to save face. Nowhere in that article is there a quote from him verbally admitting that he did the things claimed by those women. It's all vague wording. The article claims that he admitted it, but, like you, it sounds like they're just reading between the lines and inferring something that may or may not be true. For all we know, he could have made the most recent statements at the advice of his lawyer. Yes, it makes him look guilty, but in today's society, knowing public opinion can utterly destroy your future, having six women make claims against you like that does not look good. Maybe they thought it better to just play along so public opinion doesn't dip to far into life-destroying territory.

    61. Re:yup by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      In the original source (which other commenters have quoted) he admits that he leveraged his position to try to get sex, and that he was wrong. Scroll through, you'll find it (warning: the original source only lets you read a bit before requiring you to register, so if you have a throw-away email address ...)

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      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
  4. I'm Guessing He Likes Asian Women? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The women include Niniane Wang, co-creator of Google Desktop and a prior CTO of Minted; and Susan Ho and Leiti Hsu...

    1. Re:I'm Guessing He Likes Asian Women? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe he could get that Uber dude to call him a "yellow cab"?

    2. Re: I'm Guessing He Likes Asian Women? by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1, Informative

      Or more likely their unfamiliarity with American culture us why they mistook his pleasanteries for unwanted advances. That's why foreigners should stay on the other side of the wall.

      Among the allegations made to The Information are that Caldbeck sent explicit text messages to women; that Caldbeck sent messages in the middle of the night suggesting meeting up; that Caldbeck suggested going to a hotel bedroom during a meeting; that Caldbeck made a proposition about having an open relationship; and that Caldbeck grabbed a woman’s thigh under the table of a bar during a meeting.

      Yep. Just pleasantries.

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      Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
    3. Re: I'm Guessing He Likes Asian Women? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      You may have a point.... in other less advanced cultures, the leader of the country may not condone grabbing women by the pussy.

    4. Re: I'm Guessing He Likes Asian Women? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Could have weeded him out with this system

    5. Re: I'm Guessing He Likes Asian Women? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes but in each case he was responding to texts that read "me so horny"

    6. Re:I'm Guessing He Likes Asian Women? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      These were female entrepreneurs in the SF Bay Area seeking VC funding. They are mostly Asian.

      Disclaimer: I am married to a female entrepreneur in the SF Bay Area. She has never sought VC funding, but she is Asian.

    7. Re: I'm Guessing He Likes Asian Women? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who doesn't? They're hot! Except when they get older and shrivel into prunes.

    8. Re: I'm Guessing He Likes Asian Women? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not gonna lie, this made me laugh.

    9. Re: I'm Guessing He Likes Asian Women? by EzInKy · · Score: 1

      The grabbing of the thigh I can see as warranting punishment. All the others in your post I don't unless simply asking a woman for sex is a crime.

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      Time is what keeps everything from happening all at once.
    10. Re: I'm Guessing He Likes Asian Women? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is a crime, you insensitive clod!. You must wait until the woman signals her desire to have sex with you then get her written consent (notarized, no less) in case she's not satisfied and accuse you of rape or inappropiate behaviour.

    11. Re: I'm Guessing He Likes Asian Women? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Citations needed, thanks. Especially about Trump being racist, I dare you to find it.

    12. Re: I'm Guessing He Likes Asian Women? by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      Asking for sex has become a crime...

      ...but only if you are a man, and only if the person you asked was a woman, and still only when that woman wants to make you hurt. At that point you are guilty of being a man, a crime you cannot defend yourself against. Men are, after all, all that is bad and wrong with the world. Women on the other hand are made from sugar and spice and everything nice.

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      "His name was James Damore."
    13. Re: I'm Guessing He Likes Asian Women? by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Nobody has said he did anything criminal, so stop with the red herrings. What he did was highly inappropriate. The sort of stuff that gets people fired. The sort of stuff people get divorced over. You know, real world consequences.

      --
      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    14. Re: I'm Guessing He Likes Asian Women? by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 2

      Citations needed, thanks. Especially about Trump being racist, I dare you to find it.

      Ask the judges who have ruled that his ban on Muslims discriminated by race.. Ask the judge he accused of being biased because he was a Mexican. Ask the justice department, which twice took his company to court for racial discrimination - Trump countersued for slander, then entered into a consent not to do it again - and did it again. here's a quote from the first hit from "donald trump racist"

      In May, Trump implied that Gonzalo Curiel, the federal judge presiding over a class action suit against the for-profit Trump University, could not fairly hear the case because of his Mexican heritage.

      “He’s a Mexican,” Trump told CNN. “We’re building a wall between here and Mexico. The answer is, he is giving us very unfair rulings — rulings that people can’t even believe.”

      Curiel, it should be noted, is an American citizen who was born in Indiana. As a prosecutor in the late 1990s, he went after Mexican drug cartels, making him a target for assassination by a Tijuana drug lord.

      Even members of Trump’s own party slammed the racist remarks.

      “Claiming a person can’t do their job because of their race is sort of like the textbook definition of a racist comment,” House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) said, though he clarified that he still endorsed Trump

      The comments against Curiel didn’t sit well with the American public either. According to a YouGov poll released in June, 51 percent of those surveyed agreed that Trump’s comments were not only wrong, but also racist. Fifty-seven percent of Americans said Trump was wrong to complain against the judge, while just 20 percent said he was right to do so.

      Racist, sexist bigot. That's Donald Trump.

      --
      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    15. Re: I'm Guessing He Likes Asian Women? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The sort of stuff that may of landed him legal troubles if he had not stepped down. Obviously his behavior was illegal on some level. If he's in a position of power of these women, then pretty sure there are laws covering that.

      He didn't step down because he felt bad.

    16. Re: I'm Guessing He Likes Asian Women? by Megol · · Score: 1

      LOL! You must be an idiot. No it isn't only if you are a man - women have been found guilty of harassing (and even rape! Oh how strange!) men and women alike.

      The rest of your idiotic ramblings you can put back where it came from - your ass. I guess that's where you keep your brain too?

  5. Expected slashdot post-2000 response by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 0, Troll

    3 comments, all critical of the women for complaining. So you're all okay with sexual harassment and discrimination by sex when it happens to women. You guys are like a broken AI - predictable responses that could be churned out by a bot. Or just cut-n-paste whole threads from previous discussions, because it's always the same, whether it's about pay, sexual harassment, discrimination in its many forms - and then you wonder why your cubby-farm mates are almost all dudes.

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    "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    1. Re:Expected slashdot post-2000 response by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You aren't female.

      You are not a spokesman for anyone.

      Shut the fuck up, you sick twisted weirdo piece of garbage.

    2. Re:Expected slashdot post-2000 response by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

      3 comments, all critical of the women for complaining.

      Those sounds mostly like anons but you are right that there are some men on slashdot that seem to be uncomfortable with the prospect of working side-by-side with women. I condemn them and their old world view.

      whether it's about pay,

      muh wage gap?

      sexual harassment, discrimination in its many forms

      It's true that the world is far from perfect but I try to work every day to improve it when and where I can. However, the reality is that the business world is structured in a way that is most beneficial to the company rather than the employees of the company itself. This is the nature of capitalism: a self-optimizing system with an eternal greed and a total indifference to consequences of it's actions.

      and then you wonder why your cubby-farm mates are almost all dudes.

      I am under no illusions about why that is but it does not align with your narrative.

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      Anons need not reply. Questions end with a question mark.
    3. Re:Expected slashdot post-2000 response by whoever57 · · Score: 1

      However, the reality is that the business world is structured in a way that is most beneficial to the company rather than the employees of the company itself.

      I think that you will find that that isn't true any more. Today (and perhaps always) the business world is structured in a way that is most beneficial to the CEOs of large companies rather than any other group.

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      The real "Libtards" are the Libertarians!
    4. Re: Expected slashdot post-2000 response by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      My birth certificate says otherwise. The law says otherwise. But that my mere existence bugs the sh*t out of so many of you is a constant source of joy.

      --
      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    5. Re: Expected slashdot post-2000 response by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why did you cut off your DAMN balls and also your dilz?

    6. Re:Expected slashdot post-2000 response by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      3 comments, all critical of the women for complaining.

      Those sounds mostly like anons but you are right that there are some men on slashdot that seem to be uncomfortable with the prospect of working side-by-side with women. I condemn them and their old world view.

      And you know why? Because increasingly, if I meet a jerkass man in my workplace then there's so much he can do, AND I can fight back, but if I meet a jerkass woman in a workplace then all she has to do is wrongly accuse me of sexual harassment, and presumption of innocence goes right out of the window, as does any need to provide any actual evidence, even if I avoid being thrown right into jail I'll be fired and unhireable. And possibly lynched by an angry SJW mob if she generates enough attention. Just for not tiptoeing the line for some alpha bitch.

    7. Re: Expected slashdot post-2000 response by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 0

      "Vandalism"? Says the guy who drools over pr0n featuring silicone breasts. Who thinks viagra is great when the body they were born with shrivels up and dies. Who has no problem with doctors working to fix his body, just not mine, even though it's a medical necessity that reduces the suicide rate drastically?

      Like I said, it brings me no end of joy that the fact of my existence is sufficient to upset assholes like you. More so when the topic of discussion is sexual discrimination. How apropos :-)

      Why does it upset you that someone can actually walk away from male privilege? Better yet, why does it piss you off that I have the courage to be me? And OMG I'm not even ashamed of it? That I like the fact that it's illegal to discriminate against me, or that I am a member of a protected class?

      That I can use the women's washroom, and have been doing so for years, without ever encountering a single objection? I know how much that scares so many of you. Are you one of those? Have you thought it through - that it would mean trans men with beards pumped on testosterone would be sharing the women's washrooms with your wives and daughters?

      Or is it that people like you are a small minority in the civilized world, regarded as backward, crude, unenlightened, ignorant, etc? That your attitude towards people like me is shared by ISIS? Shouldn't that raise at least a small alarm bell?

      What you find as a "perfectly good body" I found as wrong. Why? Because I'm not you. It's my body, my choice. Get over it, and yourself.

      --
      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    8. Re:Expected slashdot post-2000 response by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 0

      Even if I were to agree with everything you say, who are we to disagree with the 100s of millions who say you're wrong?

      Mind you, I'll give you that there are plenty of folk who agree with you. Like ISIS. Putin. Various other dictators. Shouldn't that tell you something?

      --
      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    9. Re: Expected slashdot post-2000 response by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Why do YOU think?

      --
      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    10. Re: Expected slashdot post-2000 response by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're a freak lol

    11. Re:Expected slashdot post-2000 response by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That ISIS follows science more than you do? That you follow some fantasy more than ISIS does?

      What does it tell you?

    12. Re:Expected slashdot post-2000 response by PaulRivers10 · · Score: 1

      3 comments, all critical of the women for complaining. So you're all okay with sexual harassment and discrimination by sex when it happens to women. You guys are like a broken AI - predictable responses that could be churned out by a bot. Or just cut-n-paste whole threads from previous discussions, because it's always the same, whether it's about pay, sexual harassment, discrimination in its many forms -

      I see you're doing the classic project. These feminist-themed topics are always very predictable like a broken AI. Was the a man involved? He was bad and wrong. Was there any kind of sexual tension involved? Bad and wrong, women should not be involved in sex ever. That's the feminist narrative.

      and then you wonder why your cubby-farm mates are almost all dudes.

      Women chose professions based on social status, a group of people constantly pushing "computers are bad for women" is not in any way interested in women actually working in the field. They're interesting in keeping women out of it. Actually real actual women (not fake feminist straw-women) chose environments with what feminists define as "harrassment" as vastly preferrable to boring coding working behind a computer. Sales environments are far far more aggressive and obnoxious, but given it an an option, women vastly prefer to do that rather than dry computer work. The pathological need to drive minor social conflict into hysteria only benefits the employers who prefer their employees to be sexless lifeless drones.

    13. Re:Expected slashdot post-2000 response by serviscope_minor · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I see you're doing the classic project. These feminist-themed topics are always very predictable like a broken AI. Was the a man involved? He was bad and wrong.

      This topic really is playing out like a broken record and you're part of it.

      1. Woman accuses someone of something.
      2. Peanut gallery: lies! witch hunt! Why can't I hit on my co workers! I might get fired! Why are women so awful! It's not true! The poor guy was just being nice! It's all lies!
      3. Guy admits it.
      4. It's all lies! etc etc.

      There is a strong contingent here that will never believe accounts of harassment of women no matter how strong the evidence. That same contingent will also bang on about how there is no sexism in IT. I guess that makes sense: if you refuse to believe any evidence of it, then to your eye there is none.

      This is kind of annoying to everyone else.

      --
      SJW n. One who posts facts.
    14. Re: Expected slashdot post-2000 response by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      And that's exactly what a troll would say.

      --
      Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
    15. Re: Expected slashdot post-2000 response by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      Not even present in the list of possible causes given in the Wikipedia article on the subject. Just sayin'.

      --
      Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
    16. Re:Expected slashdot post-2000 response by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      3 comments, all critical of the women for complaining.

      The first 2 comment I read were both from you, and both contained a fucking lie.

      You fucking scumbag. Serious-fucking-ly. Someone is accused of a crime, and you come here and instead of trying to figure out what the truth is.... you start spreading lies about the person. Fuck off.

      You arent even close to a good person, and thats putting you in the best light I can. In actuality you are a very bad person, you are harmful to functional society. Fuck off.

      --
      "His name was James Damore."
    17. Re: Expected slashdot post-2000 response by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      That's it? That's the very best you can do? At least back it up with some made-up facts ... bible quotes ... misquoted stats ... you know, like all the other (almost exclusively male) transphobes do.

      Must really piss you off that women accept me as one of their own. They would see your comments as symptomatic of the misogyny that pervades society ... same as both this article and the comments slagging women for complaining. Well, at least you're somewhat on topic.

      --
      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    18. Re:Expected slashdot post-2000 response by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1
      --
      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    19. Re:Expected slashdot post-2000 response by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Women chose professions based on social status,

      That isn't generally true of either sex, but thanks for the generalization.

      --
      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    20. Re:Expected slashdot post-2000 response by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You guys are like a broken AI - predictable responses that could be churned out by a bot. Or just cut-n-paste whole threads from previous discussions

      That's exactly how I feel about Slashdot "discussions" about piracy, H1B, and STEM education funding by government and corporations (usually posted by Theodp). It's basically a mob rule here. On those kinds of articles anyone can be modded up to +5 by being passionate and pissed off, as long as they're on the politically correct side.

      But maybe you're OK with some of those, Barbara.

    21. Re:Expected slashdot post-2000 response by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      3 comments, all critical of the women for complaining.

      The first 2 comment I read were both from you, and both contained a fucking lie.

      I don't post anonymously. I don't even hide behind a nym - my birth certificate says Barbara Jane Hudson. You can't say the same.

      You fucking scumbag. Serious-fucking-ly. Someone is accused of a crime, and you come here and instead of trying to figure out what the truth is.... you start spreading lies about the person. Fuck off.

      You fail reading comprehension. The women did NOT accuse him of a crime. You also might want to read the updated story.

      You arent (sic) even close to a good person, and thats putting you in the best light I can. In actuality you are a very bad person, you are harmful to functional society. Fuck off.

      The other volunteers at the food bank where I help out would probably strongly disagree with you. So would the 240 families that depended on our work last week. So would all the flood victims who've come in since the beginning of May (we had over 5,000 homes evacuated - many people lost everything). So would all the corporate and private donors who make it all possible.

      Last week was the first time that I "slacked off" - took 3 days off in a row. One was for a doctor's appointment, one was for another visit to emergency (the 3rd this month) and one was because I needed the break. The week before it was 6 days - Sunday to Friday. Heavy labour, because those tons and tons of food don't just magically unload themselves, get sorted, shelved or boxed, or magically float into each family's weekly bin, or get loaded into cars and vans so that other volunteers can deliver them.

      Earlier this month I sat in emergency for my birthday - shin splints (damage to the protective membrane of the bones in the lower legs). I had worked through the pain until Saturday. Back to emergency twice because some bug must have bitten me - there are two 5" swollen abscesses on my abdominal wall from the infection. Painful as all heck, and kind of gross when pus started leaking out, but I didn't stop working, because I saw first-hand the absolute need that's out there. I've talked to some of the victims. How can you not push yourself to your utmost after hearing how they've lost everything and are staying in temporary shelter. Or the ones who on top of that lost their jobs because their employer sustained heavy damage and may not be able to recover.

      Or you could ask the guy who showed up looking for somewhere else to stay because the shelter wouldn't allow his pit bull in. He had the dog with him, and she's a real peach. I told him to crash in my spare bedroom until his place was safe to go back to. Him and his dog stayed 9 days (he says 10 ...)

      There's probably over 1,000 people who would disagree with you. But enough about me. What have you done lately to justify your existence?

      --
      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    22. Re: Expected slashdot post-2000 response by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most reputable plastic surgeons won't touch gender reassignment surgery with a barge pool as the outcomes are so poor.

      The vast majority of trannies are prostitutes all fucked up on drugs. Their post surgery recoveries are generally poor as they're back to getting fagged up the ass in public toilets shortly thereafter.

      Complicated and extensive surgery often fails when the patient gets Hep C and is shooting heroin within weeks.

      It's true.

    23. Re: Expected slashdot post-2000 response by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're not a real girl.

    24. Re:Expected slashdot post-2000 response by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps we'd care more if it wasn't such blatant bullshit.

      Men have to make advances without knowing if the woman wants it. If we didn't, the species would go extinct because God forbid that a woman have to shoulder some risk or responsibility here.

      What's more, women seem to have little, if any, problem with sexual harassment when it's women harassing men. But, god forbid you make an advance without having a signed permission slip and suddenly you're a monster.

      If we sound like a broken AI, it's probably because all those hormones have rotted out your brain, because they're completely reasonable. Women are very much like what you would get from men if you removed accountability and reason.

      The main issue I have here is that he's having anything to do with women.

    25. Re: Expected slashdot post-2000 response by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I disagree Barbara Hudson is lacking reason and accountability. On top of that, she seems to be a real man-hating bitch.

      Plus, I don't want her in my sex. Let women have her, it's not like the female sex hasn't already been irredeemably destroy by femicunts.

    26. Re:Expected slashdot post-2000 response by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      Or just cut-n-paste whole threads from previous discussions, because it's always the same, whether it's about pay, sexual harassment, discrimination in its many forms

      Well, yes, that's because women are far more privileged than men, so I don't really care about those differences.

      and then you wonder why your cubby-farm mates are almost all dudes.

      That's no more mysterious than why the MBA is mostly black or elementary school teachers are mostly female: humans aren't born as blank slates.

    27. Re:Expected slashdot post-2000 response by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

      but you are right that there are some men on slashdot that seem to be uncomfortable with the prospect of working side-by-side with women. I condemn them and their old world view.

      The old world view is that someone misusing authority to get sex should be strung up from the nearest tree.

      The new world view is that most accusations should be randomly believed, and if adjudicated at all, that this should be done by some kangaroo court composed of basket weaving studies professors. Or by Facebook.

    28. Re: Expected slashdot post-2000 response by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      Seriously, you're by far the biggest asshole on slashdot, and it shows:

      http://imgur.com/rDNRT2P

      Anyways, here's something not at all made up that you struggled with earlier:

      As fror the rest - what an idiot you are. Go look at pictures. The nerves are preserved as is a fair amount of tissue. And let's face it, it's the nerves and connected tissue that count. The parts that enable an erection are definitely not wanted, as they not only don't contribute, they detract from the final result.

      Skin and a piece of the glans is all that remains, and it is NOT genitalia. Does the skin retain nerves? Yep, but again, this is part of a separate organ. A real vagina isn't skin, and is in fact a mucus membrane similar to the inside of your mouth and nose. There are two critical differences here:

      - External skin found on the penis (and elsewhere) has a keratin layer, a mucus membrane does not.
      - External skin poorly handles warm, moist environments, where it is increasingly susceptible to infection. A mucus membrane has its own mechanisms of fighting off infection in this environment that skin doesn't.

      In fact, given how obese you are, I'm sure you've observed the later under your skin folds by your arms and in the middle of your stomach: The moist environment is prone to infection, up to and including bleeding. Absent of maintenance, your "neovagina" as you call it will actually harden over time to resist these infections. And no, putting this kind of skin into your pelvis doesn't cause it to change from regular skin to a mucus membrane, even with hormones.

      Now THIS is the made up "fact".

      Must really piss you off that women accept me as one of their own.

    29. Re: Expected slashdot post-2000 response by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      A quick aside, and then back on topic. Male-to-female sex reassignment surgery has one of the best percentages of positive outcomes going. And there are plenty of surgeries that are far more complicated. It's done in private clinics, not hospitals. It's classified as plastic surgery.

      Amazing how many posts against women this article has generated. All women - xx and xy. Guess we're more like genetic women than you want to admit, since your misogyny includes us.

      Now more on topic - if the majority of responses are misogynistic, why? Is the stereotype of the toxic male tech culture true? And if it is true, why is it that way? Was it inevitable, or did something happen to cause it?

      These are questions that need to be answered or we're just going to see this whole mess repeated over and over. Or to simplify - what drives people to hate others who are not like them? What makes them xenophobic, or racist, or misogynistic, or disliking people who are worse off then them, or have a different religion (or no religion)?

      - or to make the question more specific to this particular discussion -

      The comments have shown that people will continue to defend this guys behaviour well after he himself said it was wrong. Why do people do that? There's more at work here than meets the eye. Personally, I think it's because many people suffer from a rigidity of thought - once they form an idea, facts that discredit that idea are more easily ignored. Can this illogical, dysfunctional behaviour be diagnosed and treated, short of intensive education? Was there some advantage to having this trait at some point in human evolution?

      --
      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    30. Re: Expected slashdot post-2000 response by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Here's what I don't get - and it applies to all the men slagging all the women

      1. Why do you think you know our experiences better than we do?
      2. What do you get out of it?
      3. Why is our sense of autonomy and safety not important to you?
      4. Why do you persist in saying that these women's experiences aren't valid?
      5. Why are you by your actions providing encouragement for denying the validity of women's experiences?
      6. Why is offending women okay?
      7. Why do you hear but not listen when women talk?

      As for me:
      8. Would you rather I be dishonest about who I am?
      9. Why do you think you know me better than I myself do?

      Food for thought ...

      --
      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    31. Re:Expected slashdot post-2000 response by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      I'm certainly not okay with it. It's stupid, a Sisyphean task. Even after the guy has said that it's wrong to use power to get sex, and that he's done exactly that, people still attack the women (and many attack all women) and defend the guy instead of admiring the courage it took to own it instead of continuing the denial.

      The libertarian bent, all the other crap - what happened to these people that made them so broken? Personally, I suspect it may be that so many of the tech leaders are fairly sociopathic, and they are unconsciously learned what they see - if you want to be successful, treat people like objects - to be disposed of when their usefulness ends - it doesn't matter as long as they get theirs.

      There's been a lot of objectification of women in this thread - it's emblematic of the problem.

      --
      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    32. Re:Expected slashdot post-2000 response by Megol · · Score: 1

      What do you expect from anything posted on an Internet forum? People are generally assholes when they have no real risk of accountability. You should know - your claims that most transsexuals are mentally ill is just one example, one that really pisses me of given the source.

    33. Re:Expected slashdot post-2000 response by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      This complaint would make sense if it wasn't more or less the end of every moderately successful woman's career to make allegations of sexual discrimination or harassment against their company. Even if they're believed, and successful in promoting change, they endure hell and end up having severe problems getting rehired. Look at the woman who "brought down" Uber's CEO just as a basic example, and we pretty much all know Uber is a shithole and knew it before she said anything.

      --
      You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
    34. Re: Expected slashdot post-2000 response by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      The type of cell changes over time when it's transformed into a neovagina. It's really quite amazing. But don't let facts stop you from expressing your transphobia.

      As for acceptance by other women, haven't you noticed that the ones doing the attacking, both here and in the news media, are almost exclusively male? And that it's pretty much exclusively directed at m2f twomen? Don't hear anyone of either sex complaining about f2m men now, do you?

      Now, back on topic - which you seem never to want to do

      Most of the comments to this article show, even after the guy admitted he was trying to leverage his position for sex, and after he apologized, many of the guys here kept defending him and blaming the women, going so far as to attribute motives when there's no evidence that they possess the power of clairvoyance or mind-reading abilities.

      This further demonstrates the rampant misogyny in IT. That's the message that's being sent out to every woman who reads this site. And the message to men is not to try to defend women, because then you're just a pussy yourself.

      This is why the thread is entitled "Expected slashdot post-2000 response". It''s when slashdot became overrun with web monkeys who think they can code and that their shit doesn't stink. What's dismissed as SJW behaviour here now used to be considered normal. Fortunately, it still is for a large portion of the population.

      --
      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    35. Re:Expected slashdot post-2000 response by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      I said that many transsexuals are dysfunctional. That's a fact that is easily verified by looking at the rate of HIV/AIDS infections - the highest numbers of any demographic in the world. Extremely high rates of participation in the sex industry. And plenty of anxiety and depression over how the rest of the world treats us (which drops to almost normal levels with proper treatment).

      It's as if many (most?) of use went through life without picking up a single job skill, so spreading their legs or butt-cheeks is the only alternative they can think of.

      How is it wrong to point out that there are problems? We can't address them if we don't first acknowledge they exist. At some point we have to clean up our own shit.

      --
      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    36. Re:Expected slashdot post-2000 response by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The smugness is overwhelming!!!

      In all seriousness though, you can do nice things for other people and still be a shitty person sometimes. Like, when you post slashdot comments...

    37. Re:Expected slashdot post-2000 response by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      So anyone telling the truth and putting their name to it is "smug"? My original comment was accurate. Your response was a blatant lie. And you don't even offer any proof for your lies, because you can't. Everyone knows I don't post anonymously. The editors are free to check the logs, they'll say the same thing.

      So, while I was out helping get my corner of the world back on track, what did you do? Oh, right, NOTHING except lie.

      I can't wait until anonymity disappears from the internet and everyone has to stand by everything they post, same as in real life you have to stand behind everything you say and do. Shit-posters like you will have to learn how to think critically. But since you obviously can't or you'd already be doing it ...

      --
      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
  6. So what by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    He didn't abuse his position as employer because he's not their employer. He's a guy making passes at women, and they reject him. Any inability to handle the social awkwardness of that is their issue to be dealt with by them getting a thicker skin.

    But then this is just whineyness here. They're not actually doing anything except complaining about his annoying passes at them. The equivalent of telling the wife about a husbands infidelities. So he should also shake it off as socially awkward.

    Have you ever made a pass at a women and she's rejected? Has the subsequent relationship been very very awkward. The answer is yes for every man in the world.

    1. Re:So what by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 3, Insightful

      He didn't abuse his position as employer because he's not their employer.

      Way to miss the point.

      The women were all in contact with the VC in a professional capacity. Some as founders hoping to secure funding from his fund for their businesses.

      "Employer-employee" is not the only sort of unequal-power relationship to be found in a "work" or "business" setting.

      And if he doesn't want women complaining about his poor conduct in a business setting, perhaps he shouldn't conduct himself thus in a business setting.

      --
      Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
    2. Re:So what by Comrade+Ogilvy · · Score: 2

      What Caldbeck did is probably not illegal. However, it is an abuse of power by which he is implicitly screwing over his employer, using their power and money as leverage to get pussy when he was expected to be lusting for lucre on their behalf 17 hours a day 7 days a week. He resigned because it dawned on him that Binary Capital would learn enough truth to decide he was expendable.

    3. Re:So what by dbIII · · Score: 0

      He's a guy making passes at women, and they reject him. Any inability to handle the social awkwardness of that is their issue to be dealt with by them getting a thicker skin

      Someone actually modded that up?
      He's "making passes" during the process of making deals and that's putting pressure on them to sell themselves for his money - incredibly fucking sleazy.
      Obviously the AC and the upmodder are far too young to have kids, but would you want your mother to be subjected to such treatment?

    4. Re: So what by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If that was my mother she would have slapped him in the face and walked away. Something woman used to do. Stand up for themselves. Now they just pass that off to the news to ruin the guys life.

      If a guy is a sleezball, smack him and don't do business with him. It is that simple.

    5. Re:So what by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "grabbed a woman's thigh under the table of a bar during a meeting" isn't a "business setting".

    6. Re: So what by dbIII · · Score: 1

      I laid it on that thick and they still don't get it!
      Sure, your mother is tough, but does that still make it OK for a sleazeball come on to her and to torpedo a deal if she turns him down?

  7. Re:Anonymous accusers ? Next joke ? by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 3, Informative

    There's no need for proof. He has admitted it. Read the story again - it's been updated. So much for your racist powers of deduction.

    --
    "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
  8. "Unwanted advances" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    What the fuck is that supposed to mean? "I accuse you of not being wanted...by me."

    Sexual harassment is a thing.
    Sexual molestation is a thing.
    Sexual assault is a thing.
    Is "unwanted advances" supposed be a thing?

    I don't know what he did, but if it was wrong, they should rephrase because "unwanted advances" makes it sound like all he did was make a pass at them and get shot down.

    1. Re:"Unwanted advances" by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's a slightly nicer way of saying "Extreme reluctance to take 'No' for an answer" or "Inability to distinguish between an office and a singles bar".

      --
      Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
    2. Re:"Unwanted advances" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In this case, "advances" is an euphemism for harassment (hand on thigh, sex messages at night, etc.)

    3. Re:"Unwanted advances" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So they're going to make super vague accusations and we're supposed to fill in the gaps with our imaginations by assuming the worst?

      Uh, no.

    4. Re:"Unwanted advances" by Darinbob · · Score: 2

      There's also highly inappropriate and shocking unwanted advances. Ie, you go visit your doctor, tell him your symptoms, then get propositioned. Seriously messed up for sure. Compare to this case, it's go see the VC guy with all the money, present your business case, ask for the money, get propositioned by the guy who can make or break your business plans. Also messed up? I would think so.

    5. Re:"Unwanted advances" by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      What's vague about, "He put his hand on my leg"?

      Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but IMNSHO this is very simply something that, if you're at all ethical, or at least have the sense that God granted to a goose, *you don't do in a business setting*.

      --
      Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
    6. Re:"Unwanted advances" by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but IMNSHO this is very simply something that, if you're at all ethical, or at least have the sense that God granted to a goose, *you don't do in a business setting*.

      You are claiming that this stance of yours is old fashioned... in effect pretending that it has as much credibility as something old fashioned.

      In the real world, both old and new, touching someones leg is neither a crime nor a sexual advance. It is only in social justice world that it is tantamount to grabbing someone by the pussy. In the real world, touching is used for many purposes. To get someone attention, to reassure them, to guide them out of danger, and yes even to flirt. Sometimes you even touch someone with the express purpose of seeing how they will handle it. Some people dont like to be touched. Some people love to be touched.

      Notice how you are constantly attributing a motive? Yeah.. that is exactly what every social justice warrior has done every time. They attribute a motive, straw-man it right into the argument, because without motive the justice warrior has got nothing logical.

      I have an honest question: Are all you social justice warriors on the autism spectrum? Thats the only explanation I have for you no-touching beliefs that doesnt make you a bad person. So is it true.. are you all fucking autistic?

      --
      "His name was James Damore."
    7. Re:"Unwanted advances" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What a dumb comment. How many times has a man grabbed you by the thigh under the table? How about a woman? You minimize it by calling it touching, but touching and putting your hand on someone's thigh in an intimate setting (under the table) is not innocent, not used to reassure, not used to guide them out of danger. You're quite literally being willfully ignorant to how people interact in the real world. Perhaps you are the autistic one, awkwardly touching people for no fucking reason? Hmmm.
      *puts his hand on your upper thigh*
      Call me anytime, let's talk about this in my hotel room. I'll make all your worries go away.
      *moves hand up slightly higher*
      Promise.

    8. Re:"Unwanted advances" by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      I'll bet you'd be singing a much different tune if a male co-worker put his hand on your leg under the table. In fact, I'd like to be a fly on the wall in the room where it happens. I'm sure it'd be most entertaining.

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    9. Re:"Unwanted advances" by Megol · · Score: 1

      Touching an arm, shoulder and hand (in some ways) etc. are more or less acceptable. In some cultures kissing (on the cheek mostly) is okay. Touching someones leg? Are you fucking kidding me?!?

    10. Re:"Unwanted advances" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      are you all fucking autistic?

      Stay classy.

  9. Wondered by buss_error · · Score: 1

    I had a co-worker get fired for
    He: "Would you like to have dinner?
    She: "No."
    He: "Oh. Ok. Thank you."

    Very respectfully delivered - by that I mean the "Thank you" wasn't sarcastic. I didn't think that was at all inappropriate but HR took a dim view of it. They were the same level, not management to a subordinate. (An HR person was in the same room when this happened, she didn't report it.)

    Now, in this case, things were quite inappropriate in my view, and I only wish one of them had been like an old girl friend of mine, 5' nothin, 100 pounds soaking wet, and a sixth dyne belt. Not sure what she would have done, but she did have quite a temper on her.

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    1. Re:Wondered by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now, in this case, things were quite inappropriate in my view,

      Lucky for the world, SJW pussy boys like you are a very small minority, and most of us don't care even slightly about your opinion.

    2. Re:Wondered by Scarletdown · · Score: 1

      I had a co-worker get fired for
      He: "Would you like to have dinner?
      She: "No."
      He: "Oh. Ok. Thank you."

      Very respectfully delivered - by that I mean the "Thank you" wasn't sarcastic. I didn't think that was at all inappropriate but HR took a dim view of it. They were the same level, not management to a subordinate. (An HR person was in the same room when this happened, she didn't report it.)

      Betting pool is now open.

      How long will it be now until merely saying hello or making any other polite acknowledgement of a lady's existence with anything but a totally emotionless inflection of the voice and totally neutral expression on the face will be considered an unwanted advance?

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    3. Re:Wondered by PaulRivers10 · · Score: 1

      The irony is that the goal is to better exploit women's labor, not to "protect" them. Studies have consistently showed that unmarried women are more profitable than married women are. There's a very clear line that women that never get married are more profitable. So these themes are pushed heavily to make sure that women stay socially isolated from men and single. Women are encouraged to look with disgust or disdain any time a man does anything that might lead to dating.

    4. Re:Wondered by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      How long will it be now until merely saying hello or making any other polite acknowledgement of a lady's existence with anything but a totally emotionless inflection of the voice and totally neutral expression on the face will be considered an unwanted advance?

      Already there, and it's happened up here in Canada. I'll have to dig up the article but if I remember right, it boiled down to the guy nodding to the secretary as he entered the building. It later came out he rejected her advances, but he still lost his job. But, the kicker is if you're a man and wonder into a women heavy office and they don't know you're there? Oh boy are you in for some interesting times. That's not even touching on the amount of sexual harassment from those women. The same type of bullshit that would get a guy a reprimand or fired from his job.

      There's an incredible double standard between men and women in office environments. Hell anyone who's in IT and works with women likely either leave their door open, or have someone else in the room simply to cover any possible "but he *insert sexual harassment claim here*" because it's so rampant. Hell you can look at the absolute bullshit that Torvalds went through in the last 2 years if you need examples.

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    5. Re:Wondered by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Hell you can look at the absolute bullshit that Torvalds went through in the last 2 years if you need examples.

      Those were attempts by the CIA to take him down for not putting backdoors in Linux. They got Assange with the fake rape case. Linus is smart to have security with him at all times, and never be alone with women.

    6. Re:Wondered by serviscope_minor · · Score: 0

      Pull the other one, Mashiki. No one except the most dyed in the wool women-haters will believe you.

      Your story didn't happen anywhere except inside your head. Please prove me right with one of your trademark irrelevant links.

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    7. Re:Wondered by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      I had a co-worker get fired for
      He: "Would you like to have dinner?
      She: "No."
      He: "Oh. Ok. Thank you."

      That sounds like a pretty tall story, either that or you're missing some crucial details.

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    8. Re:Wondered by dbIII · · Score: 1

      How long will it be now until

      Never.
      What's with the whining victimhood shit? Why are so many here crying and whining about it every time a wife beater or other total piece of shit has to do community service for what would earn him five years if he did it in a bar.
      This Men's Rights crap is getting old. Your granddads would keep on telling you to stop acting like sissies every time someone asks you to treat a woman with respect.

    9. Re:Wondered by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      That is one of most amazingly stupid things I have read all week.

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    10. Re:Wondered by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      Linus is smart to have security with him at all times, and never be alone with women.

      Indeed. He took care of both issues quite neatly by marrying a karate champion.

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    11. Re:Wondered by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Stick around. The comments of this article just keep on scraping new lows. It's the post-2000 libertarian slashdot, where any sign of compassion, or even acknowledging that people can be the victims of circumstances, is met with Ayn Randian cries of "I got mine Jack, and it's because I'm better than you, you lazy failure". Where wanting people to help each other is seen as opposing the gospel of economic darwinism, and swept away with the label "SJW."

      By the same logic, the founding fathers should be shat on because they were SJWs. (Though their idea of justice didn't extend to women, blacks, etc).

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    12. Re:Wondered by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Pull the other one, Mashiki. No one except the most dyed in the wool women-haters will believe you.

      Your story didn't happen anywhere except inside your head. Please prove me right with one of your trademark irrelevant links.

      Nice projection. Gonna just point out that no matter how hard you white knight, it's not gonna get you laid.

      But it's pretty pathetic that you consider things like legal cases, actual accounts of people which are archived, news articles, actual statistics to be irrelevant. It's always made me wonder, just what is classified as "fact" in your world? Maybe it's whatever groups like shareblue tell you, which would explain a lot.

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    13. Re:Wondered by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know, every time I hear one of these "He was fired for politely asking her out" kind of stories, the though that comes to my mind is "I'm only going to believe you when I hear the other side of that story." The sexual harassment training I got at work -- in liberal California, no less -- explicity says office romance is OK; it's unwelcome advances that are not OK.

      I would speculate that the guy had a pattern of making unwelcome advances to women in the company, more than one woman said they were creeped out by him, and HR already warned him; him asking that one co-worker out was the straw the broke the camel's back. If you must only accept wisdom from the PUA manosphere, they suggest that: 1) Do not "shit where you work" -- do not try to get in to office romances. 2) Bad game will get you in trouble.

    14. Re:Wondered by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it boiled down to the guy nodding to the secretary as he entered the building

      [Citataion needed]

      Let me shoot straight with you buddy: You're full of shit. Give me a link to an article in a reliable source (newspaper, magazine, not some random "men's right" blog or PUA forum posting).

    15. Re:Wondered by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Here's one for you to think on. How long do you think a law that's meant for domestic violence will last if it's based on "emotional abuse." I'll give you a moment to think on that. Now that you have, I'm sure you've already realized which gender is the primary user of that type of abuse. I'm going to bet that off the top of your head you can now think of a dozen women who would be classified as domestic abusers if such a law was passed.

      Now, I want to you to think on this one. Why is it in domestic abuse cases that roughly 70% of the time, women will be the instigator of abuse. But the man will take the blame for it even if he attempts to flee. Why is it that women are given a free pass in the legal system for the same acts that would land a man in jail. Why is there a push among feminists to stop women from going to jail, or pay at all in any form for domestic abuse or even the rape of minors. Oh and now that you've read all that? Now you can get to the wonderful sources. Let me know when you read the paper about how women are the primary actors of abuse in cases of divorce.

      For added fun: You can now rationalize the following. A 30yr old women has sex with a 13yr old and receives no jail time, no fine, no punishment at all. A 30yr old man has sex with a 13yr old and receives a 10yr jail sentence. When you're finished rationalizing it, you can now rationalize why a women can make a false rape claim, destroy a persons life so badly that they commit suicide because of it and never receive any punishment or even be admonished under law. Except in the rarest of cases(usually requiring multiple cases where the women has filed false rape claims).

      Now explain why this double standard is acceptable, and why 4th wave feminism supports this and not equality under the law. Or you can simply say that maybe, that "men's rights crap" is correct in there being a double standard that's unacceptable.

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    16. Re:Wondered by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He has a point -- you did not provide a link or any other evidence that your "he got fired for nodding to a secretary" story is just some manosphere bullshit you either made up or read on some anonymous PUA forum.

      So, instead of flaming him, provide a link. The fact you have not indicates you were lying, and did not like getting caught lying.

    17. Re: Wondered by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also didn't extend to tranny freaks either.

      You're not a real girl.

    18. Re:Wondered by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should have mentioned that the reason it's stupid is because exactly the same sort of logic applies to employing single men vs married ones.

    19. Re:Wondered by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      But it's pretty pathetic that you consider things like legal cases, actual accounts of people which are archived, news articles, actual statistics to be irrelevant.

      Then you'll have no trouble pointing us to some of them, right?

      Please, go right ahead. We're waiting.

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    20. Re:Wondered by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1
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    21. Re:Wondered by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Huh, I guess you've moved on from irrelevant links and now favour a sort of X-files "the truth is out there" style of argument. Never let it be said that you're boring.

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    22. Re:Wondered by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Oh no, blood in the water, attracted that moron again.
      Made up edge cases and everything just like last time.
      Sorry moron I don't want to justify you having sex with thirteen year olds so please go bother someone else who will.

    23. Re:Wondered by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Women in positions of authority over minors (male or female) who have sex with them most certainly do go to jail. Don't take my word for it - you can search yourself, so you can't claim I distorted the search in any way. Your perceptions are distorted by your need for victimhood.

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    24. Re:Wondered by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Well, it's already investigated as a hate crime in Nottingham.

      As is failing to say hello to a woman, if she takes offence at that.

      Me, I'm looking forward to bringing a private prosecution for wasting police time.

    25. Re:Wondered by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Oops. Guess that thing called reality just comes crashing down for you again. You can also dig back through Barbara Kay's column pieces on fake claims and find them too. You likely don't know who she is either.

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    26. Re:Wondered by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Sure. You go ahead and read the story on it, you'll have to read the full case for all the details. You can go find it over on canlii.org now you go have fun with that. You should also go read back through Barbra Kay's columns because she covers these type of stuff often.

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    27. Re:Wondered by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      He has a point -- you did not provide a link or any other evidence

      No he really doesn't. I did say "if I remember right." Because when evidence comes his way, like what I provided. They deserve nothing other then to be flamed because past instances show that irregardless of proof, whether it's statistics from a government agency, legal cases, the person on their own openly stating something, actual quotes, actual criminal law files, discussion cases that absolve groups or well anything else? They refuse to believe it, or call it fake. Or make some other claim because they were proven wrong.

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    28. Re:Wondered by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      Your "evidence" is a case that:

      1. You can't show any evidence actually occurred. Not a news article, court recording, nothing.
      2. Nobody else appears to recall anything like it
      3. Doesn't match any known laws or even HR sexual harassment procedures known to man
      4. Is atypical - we can point at high profile cases where women have been blackballed for making harassment and discrimination claims, even when proven accurate, such as the woman who brought down Uber's CEO
      5. Is, well, unbelievable.

      You have to admit that we have good reasons for being skeptical. The fact you're hunkering down on the claim but still refusing to give evidence for it (when that's all that's been asked for) doesn't speak well to your character.

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    29. Re:Wondered by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      Your claim was:

      How long will it be now until merely saying hello or making any other polite acknowledgement of a lady's existence with anything but a totally emotionless inflection of the voice and totally neutral expression on the face will be considered an unwanted advance?

      Already there, and it's happened up here in Canada. I'll have to dig up the article but if I remember right, it boiled down to the guy nodding to the secretary as he entered the building. It later came out he rejected her advances, but he still lost his job

      Your article is about someone winning a defamation lawsuit about a false rape accusation. Nothing about an unwanted advance or anyone nodding to a secretary, or being fired.

      Again, more evidence of your character here.

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    30. Re:Wondered by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here's a similar story which someone posted as a comment in this New York Times article:

      Ulf Erlingsson

      In the academic world where I come from, the older help the younger, its a necessary part of it. We cannot display different behavior if the student is a man or a woman, that would be discrimination. Yet when I behaved the same way as my elders had done in Sweden towards me and my colleagues, men and women, in Miami, trying to help a promising woman student with her career, inviting her to a work meeting over dinner in exactly the same way I had been treated in Sweden, she accused me of sexual harassment and I was fired. She didn't even RSVP to the invitation. My conclusion is that American women who want equality but don't understand the implications, they are their own worst enemies for their careers.

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      Now, we only have Ulf's side of the story, but here is a documented "I got fired for sexual harassment for asking a woman out to dinner" story.

  10. Re:Hitting on a girl == Rape* by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 4, Informative

    We're not talking about rape. Nobody's accused him of that.

    What he's accused of is making advances towards women over whom he exercised some form of power. If you don't understand why that's wrong, then you're part of the problem.

    Given the fact he's already resigned his position and published a not-quite-apology/not-quite-admission, it would seem that *the allegations that were actually made* have some basis in fact.

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  11. Re:Anonymous accusers ? Next joke ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What I do see is that the three who are named are Asian. Anyone with experience of Asian cultures would know to take their accusations with a very large bag of salt.

    As an American with experience living in one Asian country for almost two years, I know your statement doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

    "Asian cultures" is about as diverse a bag as one can imagine.

  12. Re:Anonymous accusers ? Next joke ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Perhaps you've not heard, but protecting the identity of a vulnerable witness in a trial is known to be a thing.

  13. "Yellow Fever" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The women include Niniane Wang, co-creator of Google Desktop and a prior CTO of Minted; and Susan Ho and Leiti Hsu, co-founders of Journy, a travel planning and booking service.

    Guess we can see where Mr Caldbeck's tastes run.

  14. Re:Anonymous accusers ? Next joke ? by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

    Anyone with experience of Asian cultures would know to take their accusations with a very large bag of salt.

    Anyone with experience of Asian cultures would recognise your prejudice from about 10,000 li away.

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  15. Re: Hitting on a girl == Rape* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I should be very clear. I got a divorce, years ago, because I kept sticking my dick in my secretary. There were multiples.

    However...

    If you're going to penis an underling, ensure that they know their job is NOT dependent on their agreement to participate. In fact, most of the times, they initiated the behavior that led to my sticking my penis in them.

    It does get awkward if the breakup goes poorly. It's probably a good idea to live your life exactly opposite of the way I have led mine. Do not penis your secretary... You'll get a divorce and it makes the office awkward. Also, there are probably some ethical concerns.

    Actually, Imma post this as AC.

  16. Re:Hitting on a girl == Rape* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A man without power is a bitch. Your inability to understand that resigning is no more than a tactical retreat proves you have the mind of a bitch.

  17. Rich men have more options than coworkers... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...I mean the average woman attracted to tech work is probably about the same as the average man, so not the best looker in the room...

    Oh, wait, the women are all Asian.

    Carry on, then.

    1. Re: Rich men have more options than coworkers... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not Asian, Oriental.
      Asia is a large continent and has always had Caucasians, Orientals, Indians, and more.
      At the very least call them "East Asian" if you can't bear to use the old "O" word.

    2. Re: Rich men have more options than coworkers... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Technically anything east of Europe is "Oriental" since the term came from the "orientation towards the holy land" so really if you are in Japan and a Christian or muslim then the "orient" technically should be west, which is why they stopped using that term in humanities and social science, not because of political correctness, but just because it didn't make much sense, especially when some people even conflated north Africa as part of the Orient. Better to retire the term, and use something accurate.

  18. Re:Moral of the story by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

    How about, "Don't go looking for honey where you get your money"?

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  19. Way to whine about nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "unequal-power relationship"

    NONE of them have accused him of abusing his VC relationship (the "unequal power relationship") to demand sex with them, they're accusing him of simply making unwanted passes.

    Which is fine. Socially awkward, but fine.

    He tried, he failed, the attempt was socially awkward for them. They complain, the complaining situation is awkward for him.

    And? Where do you fit into this relationship attempt? Nowhere. It's between him and them, not you.

    1. Re:Way to whine about nothing by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      NONE of them have accused him of abusing his VC relationship (the "unequal power relationship") to demand sex with them, they're accusing him of simply making unwanted passes.

      This, too, misses the point, which is: The fact that he made the passes at all, in that setting, was not "fine but socially awkward", it was an abuse of his position.

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    2. Re:Way to whine about nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Maybe he felt he could try a socially awkward pass because the women were flirting with him? I wish we could get women penalized for flirting with us. Women can flirt and flirt and you can't say shit. Put your fucking tits back in your shirt, stop sucking on your fucking fingernail, and get some pants that don't show your fucking thong.

  20. Re:Hitting on a girl == Rape* by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

    What do you call a man who abuses his power?

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  21. WANTED advances are OK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unwanted advances are creepy.

    Right?

    1. Re:WANTED advances are OK by Scarletdown · · Score: 1

      But how do you know it is unwanted until you try? And that advance could be a simple, "Care to go grab a quick lunch?" or "Can I get you a cup of coffee while I am out, since I am headed to the break room anyway?"

      If she says no, then suddenly that can be considered an unwanted advance. Sometimes I think that the WOPR had it right...

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

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    2. Re:WANTED advances are OK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unwanted advances are creepy.

      Right?

      How the hell are you supposed to determine whether an "advance" will be wanted or not, before you make an advance ?

      Roll dice ? Use a Ouija board ? Ask the Magic 8-Ball ?

      This is all just bullshit. These females didn't like the attempts the guy made to get them in bed, so fucking what ? Adults deal with shit like this and move on, because it's not a problem that deserves much time or attention.

      Now, if the guy had DRUGGED them and then had sex with them while they were drugged, well, then he could be getting ready to offer his consulting services to men who wish to avoid becoming the target of unjustified legal action.

    3. Re:WANTED advances are OK by chipschap · · Score: 1

      We need to apply the old common sense principal espoused long ago in a science fiction novel:

      "Try not to bother the other person. And if you are the other person, try not to be bothered too easily."

      Certainly, don't make unwanted or offensive advances. But don't take casual conversation or an informal invitation to lunch as an automatic offense, either.

      This guy seemed to go well beyond that, and that's not okay.

      But what ever happened to the seemingly simple concept of mutual respect?

    4. Re:WANTED advances are OK by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      But how do you know it is unwanted until you try?

      If you really really don't know the answer, then you're best off not doing it until you figure it out. It is all entirely about context, so there are no context free rules to follow.

      And that advance could be a simple, "Care to go grab a quick lunch?" or "Can I get you a cup of coffee while I am out, since I am headed to the break room anyway?"

      Usually, neither of those are making an advance. But if you, say, never offered before, made an advance, got turned down and now offer twice a day, every day then yeah, you need to cut it out.

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    5. Re:WANTED advances are OK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "principle", not "principal" FFS.

    6. Re:WANTED advances are OK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This, pretty much exactly.

      Asking the woman if she wants coffee is neutral. Getting coffee is generally considered part of business, not an attempt to solicit sex. You can offer it to your male or female coworkers and you're probably just as likely to get a positive response. Asking if a coworker wants to join you for lunch can be neutral, though you can also do it as an advance and your conduct during the lunch is going to be key. Doing it as part of a sales team's pretty standard, and likely no one will blink at this sort of thing.

      Asking a coworker if they want to join you tonight in a hotel room so you can go over some hard paperwork if-you-know-what-i-mean isn't appropriate. Sending a text message after work hours suggesting a meet-up isn't a business activity. Sending sexually explicit text messages is well outside acceptable business context. Repeatedly making suggestions when you've already been turned down is not only an unwanted advance, it might well be harassment.

      This isn't tough, people. It's generally a bad idea to get into a relationship with someone you work with because if the relationship sours you still have to work together... but if you're committed to trying anyways, there are both tactful and tactless ways to go about doing so.

    7. Re:WANTED advances are OK by chipschap · · Score: 1

      Oops, yes, need to type more slowly!

    8. Re:WANTED advances are OK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here's an easy way to tell: if the person is currently working their job, it's safe to assume all advances are unwanted. Extra bonus: this applies whether you are their coworker or not.

      Captcha: nebulous :-/

    9. Re:WANTED advances are OK by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Safe, but wrong.

      I've had welcome and unwelcome advances while working in a bar. Dealt with all of them with courtesy and politeness, even the homosexual ones.

  22. How long until Binary Capital goes titsup? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Without the founder and his money, they likely won't make it to earnings season.

    1. Re:How long until Binary Capital goes titsup? by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      It's not about his money - it's about the investor's money. He's perfectly expendable. Problem was, he started treating it like it really was his money to use as a lever against women.

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  23. Women wonder why guys hire prostitutes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's because of women.

  24. Been there ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

    ... from TFA:

    On the latter point you only have to look at recent goings on at a company like Uber [and this] to understand where such concerns are coming from.

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  25. We are not friends. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You banned us from taking female children as wives over 100 years ago the second you gained political power.

    You expect us to be you ally?

    Maybe a good 'better-a-millstone' right thinking christian protestant man...

  26. Re:Hitting on a girl == Rape* by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

    Literally Hitler?

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  27. Not sure about Wang by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But Susan Ho was definitely asking for it.

  28. How do humans reproduce by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "it was an abuse of his position"

    You don't get to define that.

    The law defines that.
    Outside of the law, there are employee behavior rules that define that.
    Outside of employee rules, there are social norms that define that.

    The social norm for men and women is sexual, due to hormones that drive reproduction. It's the basic state of men and women.

    They rejected him, its awkward for them and him, you have no place in that.

    1. Re:How do humans reproduce by Comrade+Ogilvy · · Score: 1

      "it was an abuse of his position"

      You don't get to define that.

      The law defines that. Outside of the law, there are employee behavior rules that define that.

      It is really very simple. His unprofessional conduct is an abuse of his employer's trust, implicitly dangling other people's money (the VC fund monies) in front of women as a means to manipulate them into bed with him. Caldbeck did not resign because he cared about being badmouthed by a bunch of women. He resigned because the writing was on the wall that "too much truth" would soon fall into the lap of his boss, and Binary Capital would conclude he was an unnecessary hassle.

    2. Re:How do humans reproduce by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      It is really very simple.

      Yes, but how come you made it so complicated?

      His unprofessional conduct...

      Whats the simple definition of that? Oh thats right... its simply whatever you've decided is unprofessional.

      ...is an abuse of his employer's trust

      implicitly dangling other people's money (the VC fund monies) in front of women as a means to manipulate them into bed with him.

      Oh yes... except none of this happened. There was no sex. Not a single person is claiming that any sex happened. He didnt manipulate anyone... but here you are.. "simply" lying and saying that he did.

      Caldbeck did not resign because he cared about being badmouthed by a bunch of women. He resigned because the writing was on the wall that "too much truth" would soon fall into the lap of his boss

      Ah yes the "simple" thing of "too much truth" where you've decided that a crime that you have no evidence for and nobody else is claiming to have happened, is "simply" what its all about.

      Are you for real? You are a fucking joke. You are harmful to society in the form you have currently taken. A dishonest fuck working in a way that wi,ll prevent anyone from getting any justice ... and all so that you look like a justice warrior... fucking joke

      --
      "His name was James Damore."
    3. Re:How do humans reproduce by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Way to miss the point. He abused his position by using it to try and coerce women into bed with him. Too cheap to spend his own money on hookers and crack like other Silly Valley burn-outs.

      Also, what's with all you trolls saying he didn't commit a crime, as if somehow that makes this okay? None of them accused him of committing a crime. Though I'm pretty sure his daughters and wife may have some pretty strong opinions about him telling women he has an "open marriage."

      Something doesn't have to be criminal to be offensive, incredibly stupid, and ill-advised.

      --
      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    4. Re:How do humans reproduce by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      The social norm for *adults* is to exercise something known as "self-control", and to save the sexy stuff for after working hours.

      --
      Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
    5. Re:How do humans reproduce by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      My experience is that, 9 time out of ten, when a woman tells a man that she's in an open relationship, she's telling the truth.

      I've also found that, 9 times out of ten, when a man tells a woman that he's in an open relationship, that's only true as long as his wife or girlfriend doesn't know that he's been saying so to other women.

      Of course, as always, YMMV.

      --
      Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
    6. Re:How do humans reproduce by Comrade+Ogilvy · · Score: 1

      Yes, but how come you made it so complicated?

      No, it is not complicated at all. Some posters are throwing up smoke and mirrors to make it sound complicated, so that they can imply that Caldbeck is entitled to "rights" that do not exist, and whine about it.

      His unprofessional conduct...

      Whats the simple definition of that? Oh thats right... its simply whatever you've decided is unprofessional.

      As a practical matter it is very simple. Your opinion does not matter. My opinion does not matter. Caldbeck's opinion does not matter. The six accusers' opinion does not matter. What matters is the opinion of Caldbeck's boss at Binary Capital.

      Unless Caldbeck has specific language in his contract about termination conditions, his boss could have strolled over to HR, said that s/he had "lost confidence in Calbeck", and HR would put together the paperwork for dismissal without cause (since CA is an at will employment state). Caldbeck has no right to demand a reason for his job ending at all.

      Reading between the lines, Caldbeck probably saw the writing on the wall and realized that resignation was the least bad path.

      Everything else you have to say is just smoke and mirrors, and not worthy of comment, because you are too dishonest and dumb to make a logical point.

    7. Re:How do humans reproduce by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So do you get propositioned by married men a lot? Or not by either married men or married women?

  29. He can claim illness by haruchai · · Score: 0

    Your Honor, I was suffering from a terrible case of Yellow Fever!!

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    Pain is merely failure leaving the body
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  31. Re:Hitting on a girl == Rape* by Darinbob · · Score: 1

    Oh come on, Silicon Valley is libertarian central. You're thinking of Berkeley.

  32. Re:Hitting on a girl == Rape* by Darinbob · · Score: 2

    Senator? Mr President? Your Honor? I give up, can I have a hint?

  33. Re: Sad how people with a bad business plan... by chipschap · · Score: 1

    And that's why I will never work for a company that has a woman at a C level. They blame everyone else besides themselves.

    Although I can hardly agree with this, if it were true, they would have Hillary as a role model.

  34. it's like high school kids by ooloorie · · Score: 1

    Watching the Silicon Valley startup scene is like watching a bunch of immature, wealthy high school kids: incapable of dealing with their sexuality, incapable of relating to each other professionally or personally, throwing temper tantrums, and running to mommy and daddy when things don't go the way they want to.

    I guess the saving grace is that, at this rate, they aren't going to reproduce much.

  35. Re:Moral of the story by ooloorie · · Score: 1, Insightful

    How about, "Don't go looking for honey where you get your money"?

    Unfortunately, that's not sufficient, because if your unmarried, sex-crazed 30-something CEO hits on your feminist 20-something radical, your job is still at risk.

    A better rule is to simply avoid workplaces with large numbers of millennials, feminists, and progressives, and instead look for companies where most employees are older, professional, and slightly conservative.

  36. i bet what happened is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    when he first started some overly ambitious women fucked him for capital, and then he started expecting it. this is usually how these guys get these weird entitled ideas. doesn't excuse it, just saying from my own experience, some women will fuck you hoping to get favors, and if you're young and naive you don't handle it properly. no excusing him though, anyone with a basic education knows this is unacceptable.

  37. I just want things tried in real court, not media by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If he really did it I won't defend him, but I'm damned suspicious of people who make allegations into a media circus instead of handling it in court, directly, for the very reason that they're going to media and not court. I won't defend anyone pushing subordinates for sex or other creepy behaviors like that, but I do want the matter to be settled in court before we start condemning anyone publicly.

    I don't trust the court of popular opinion, I'd rather these things be handled in a real courtroom, without the media circus.

  38. backlash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Women out of tech NOW! America needs loving wives and mothers, not yet more filthy self-serving corporate tools.

  39. I did some digging by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Justin Caldbeck is the VC (or was) of Binary Capital. They have investments into huge companies like Twitter, Instagram, and Snap Chat. One of these things is not like the other. Instagram. It is now owned by Facebook but wasn't when they invested. These women shouldn't have waited and I think it's a tactic to destroy competition. I would like to know who whispered into their ear to give them the "courage" to say something. http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/08/snapchat-ipo-facebook-twitter-markets-investors-web-summit.html. Facebook wants them to recoup their loss by selling their shares with what they have. They've tried everything to compete with Snap Chat since they won't sell to them and have failed miserably. The only thing left to do is discredit who they can. https://techcrunch.com/2016/08/01/binary-capital/.

  40. 6 female founders? where did he find them all? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who knew there were so many women founders in tech!? According to the NY Times the tech industry is just a bunch of white frat bros doing keg stands and playing foozball.

  41. Re: Moral of the story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I agree with that. Millennials were bred and raised by older generation using completely wrong moral values.

  42. And... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is why we can't have more women in STEM!

  43. Most Creeps don't know they are creeps by FeelGood314 · · Score: 1

    We could probably use some training on this. Judgement of your own actions isn't easy especially in an area that you aren't good at. A lot of guys that cross the line in dating don't intend to and don't know they are doing it until they are called out. If this is the case here I actually respect the guy for admitting what he did was wrong instead of denying it or arguing it wasn't wrong. Asking a coworker out even your boss isn't wrong as long as it is done with out putting pressure on the other person.* Men need to know when they are pressing a woman to hard or using any form of power over a woman. (yes, I'm generalizing). And women, definitely need to know when they are acting like a herd, and pushing each other to do ever more and more harassing things to some guy they have collectively decided to victimize.

    *I have a friend who is marrying her old boss and she's thrilled. She tall, beautiful and crazy strong, so most men are terrified of her.

  44. Re:Moral of the story by Comrade+Ogilvy · · Score: 1

    If you really need to work in an environment where there are no dating prospects to feel comfortable, it is a safe bet the problem is you.

  45. We get it.... by kelanos · · Score: 1

    Corporate espionage strategists have found a weakness in the public mindset that they harp on whenever they get the chance.

    Just stir up a "women's rights" fervor and watch as companies defying the status quo crumble.

    Standing by to be modded down by the naive bleeding hearts who love gossip more than rational thought.

    1. Re:We get it.... by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      We get it....

      No, you really don't.

      Corporate espionage strategists have found a weakness in the public mindset that they harp on whenever they get the chance.

      What on earth has that got to do with espionage?

      --
      SJW n. One who posts facts.
    2. Re:We get it.... by kelanos · · Score: 1

      Espionage = Spying. Spying on people's personal lives for the purposes of furthering business, determining where there is enough bad sentiment against a person to stir up a gossip fervor

  46. ... unwanted advances? by aglider · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Advances are always unwanted.
    Advances are made in order to know whether the other party is available and willing to ... go on.
    Maybe you meant "unexpected", "unsolicited" or "unpleasant".
    But not "unwanted"!

    --
    Sent as ripples into the electromagnetic field. No single photon has been harmed in the process.
    1. Re:... unwanted advances? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      If someone is at a social event like a party, and they make non-verbal contact (e.g. smiling at you), your advances are clearly not unwanted. Personally though I prefer to get to know people first and sound them out that way, I'm not big on just approaching strangers.

      Some guys seem to think that it's okay to just make advances in every woman in any situation... Like this guy who apparently doesn't see an issue with hitting on women who are asking him for money in a business setting.

      --
      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    2. Re:... unwanted advances? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Here's the thing, after you graduate college, there are no more "social situations". There is work, and home. If you are single, home is empty. So your choices for meeting women post-college are basically: 1: Flirt with what few women you encounter at work, you know women with similar education, professional standing, and interest in your field; or 2: Online dating I ended up using option 2 and it worked well for me, but it seems very wrong to take option 1 completely off the table. Now you shouldn't be leveraging power over women, but are you saying any man who becomes successful/powerful has to become a monk? Hell the whole point of becoming successful/powerful is to make yourself attractive to women.

    3. Re:... unwanted advances? by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      If someone is at a social event like a party, and they make non-verbal contact (e.g. smiling at you), your advances are clearly not unwanted. Personally though I prefer to get to know people first and sound them out that way, I'm not big on just approaching strangers.

      Some guys seem to think that it's okay to just make advances in every woman in any situation... Like this guy who apparently doesn't see an issue with hitting on women who are asking him for money in a business setting.

      Probably because his brain shorted out at the "women asking for money" part. Happens a lot in some of the seedier parts of town, I hear. :-)

      --
      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    4. Re:... unwanted advances? by Cederic · · Score: 1

      If someone is at a social event like a party, and they make non-verbal contact (e.g. smiling at you), your advances are clearly not unwanted.

      Yesterday a woman I don't know came to sit next to me while I was filming an event.

      She smiled and started talking to me.
      She asked me to dance. After the dance she hugged me and said thank you.
      She went off, bought some whiskey and came back to sit with me.
      She asked me to dance several more times and the hugs got closer and longer after each dance.

      Tell me, would this married mother of three want an advance from me?

      I'm guessing not. I'm guessing her husband, who came over when he wasn't competing, would be surprised too.

      I can't tell when someone does or does not want an advance. It's a fucking minefield and impossible to interpret, especially if you have Aspergers. So you either occasionally get it wrong or you never ask. I've known women get very pissed off and depressed because nobody would ask..

    5. Re:... unwanted advances? by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      Have you tried going out?

    6. Re:... unwanted advances? by aglider · · Score: 1

      Tell me, would this married mother of three want an advance from me?

      Those were her proper advances to you.
      There's no such a thing as an advance request: advance requests (if any) are advances themselves!

      --
      Sent as ripples into the electromagnetic field. No single photon has been harmed in the process.
    7. Re:... unwanted advances? by Cederic · · Score: 1

      What the fuck? Those weren't advances to me. She was there with her husband, welcoming some company and greatly enjoying the dances.

      No, there aren't advance requests. I was making the point that it's fucking impossible to know when an advance would be welcome, and eye contact with a smile sure as shit doesn't qualify.

    8. Re:... unwanted advances? by aglider · · Score: 1

      Those weren't advances to me. She was there with her husband, welcoming some company and greatly enjoying the dances.

      Probably we come from different regions, different cultures and different ages.
      A woman approaches you, asks you to dance several times, hugs you more and more closely and for longer times.
      And offers you alcohol which helps relaxing any inhibition.
      All this, according to your tale, without any request by you.
      According to my locally-biased humble perceptions, If those were not advances, then nothing is an advance.
      Or you are making fun of either me or yourself.

      --
      Sent as ripples into the electromagnetic field. No single photon has been harmed in the process.
    9. Re:... unwanted advances? by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Well, welcome to the complexity of dating in the UK.

      At least with her I could tell. The night before a woman I find very sensuous and attractive saw me for the first time since we'd been introduced a couple of weeks ago and demanded a dance. Told me how wonderful it was and then half an hour later ran over to demand another dance. Plenty of eye contact, no shortage of physical contact (including some delightful wriggling) and left me limping off the floor after another thank you hug.

      Every instinct tells you one thing but... I kept a discrete eye on her table and a man I'd seen her with before sat down, gave her a perfunctory kiss on the lips and they sat there with her arm around him. Clearly her partner.

      The signals are not clear, and the wrong interpretation gets you a bad reputation.

      Then on Saturday another girl told me verbally that she likes me being sweaty and told me I could drip on her any time. Followed by telling me I could give her a cuddle instead of a hug. I do appreciate that she was transparent and didn't take offence at her openness, I just don't find her physically attractive and wouldn't generally seek out her company. Although she has had a lesbian proposition from a girl I did nearly go out with..

      So sure: Sometimes you can tell but it's so horribly easy to find examples that run contrary to any "but it's obvious" comments that I have no empathy for women receiving unwanted advances. Men are expected to act first and it really is impossible to get it right every time.

    10. Re:... unwanted advances? by aglider · · Score: 1

      Good luck, then!

      --
      Sent as ripples into the electromagnetic field. No single photon has been harmed in the process.
    11. Re:... unwanted advances? by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      Wow, you must live in a bubble. Or work at some hell hole.

      This may surprise you but I met my future wife at work. There are many social situations created at work (if only when a bunch of colleagues decide to go to lunch together.) You make friends. You get to know people. After a while, you get to know people well enough that you know how they'd take a more personal proposition, and can act accordingly.

      This is not the movies. Women are not agency-free automatons whose actions are dictated by whatever man they're currently associated with. They're human beings. They're neither going to go to HR because you smiled and said "Hello", nor are they going to be happy if you jump on them on day #1, and ask them on a date.

      Act like a human being, and respect them as human beings, and you'll avoid meetings with HR. But more importantly, and to a normal person, this would actually be what you're concerned about but it seems most Slashdotters aren't, you won't hurt someone unintentionally. Because if I were hauled in front of HR because someone had made a sexual harassment complaint against me, that'd be my first concern.

      --
      You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
  47. Re:Moral of the story by ooloorie · · Score: 1

    Apparently, you can't read.

  48. Re:Hitting on a girl == Rape* by kelanos · · Score: 1

    If you don't understand why that's wrong, then you're part of the problem

    Translated:

    If you're not with us, you're against us

    and

    it would seem that *the allegations that were actually made* have some basis in fact

    Or he was forced to save any face he could because the backlash against this gossip was so strong.

    Given that there is no evidence, no factual account, no story about specifics from either side, it's not that hard to figure the motive behind this if you don't get hooked by your misplaced emotions. Accuse some one and watch as they burn. This is why humanity invented law and order.

  49. Re:Anonymous accusers ? Next joke ? by kelanos · · Score: 0

    He has admitted it

    I know you're a shill, but still, the facts are plain for anyone to see.

    He admitted to some vague guilt of being unaware of himself, not to any specific action, under extreme duress. This is what could be called a 'forced confession', except there was no specific charge against him, just "he made us feel uncomfortable".

    The way to abuse this phenomenon is obvious to anyone with half a strategic brain. Those of us who see this need to band together at all costs, setting all differences aside, and withdraw from the sectors of society that are swayed by this insanity, forming enclaves to shield ourselves and our families.

    standing by for shill accounts to mod me down for defying the editors' mouthpiece

  50. Well, how else would you know... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...an advance was unwanted until you actually make it? I don't know about you, but the rest of us never get a note from a woman that says "make an advance on me."

    1. Re:Well, how else would you know... by cryptizard · · Score: 1

      It is not a problem to make an "unwelcome advance" in a social situation, toward a person you don't work with. It is a problem when you have authority or leverage over them. I don't understand why this is so hard to get.

  51. Re:Hitting on a girl == Rape* by Razed+By+TV · · Score: 1

    A Beta male pretending to be an Alpha male.

    It is one thing to wield power, it is another thing to wield it artfully.

  52. Re:Hitting on a girl == Rape* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You need to literally go anywhere else in the country. SV is looney toon left by comparison.

  53. Re:Moral of the story by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

    Unfortunately, that's not sufficient, because if your unmarried, sex-crazed 30-something CEO hits on your feminist 20-something radical, your job is still at risk.

    Except that doesn't generally happen. Uber is still going. TFA's venture firm is still going. You seem awfully concerned about people doing wildly inappropriate things getting fired, because you seem to think it might get you fired. You're pretty much admitting to inappropriate behaviour there.

    --
    SJW n. One who posts facts.
  54. Re:Moral of the story by dbIII · · Score: 1

    It's not the radicals trying to talk someone in their workplace into having sex with them for money or advancement here is it?
    That's the problem, and an extremist evangelical Christian woman who believes a man should be the head of a family and her man should be obeyed at all times is going to be just as pissed off at such sleazebags as any feminist.

  55. Re:It's only sexual assault if you are rich by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

    It seems like the only people who get accused of this sort of thing publicly are very rich, straight males; CEOs and VCs.

    First, the dude admitted it. Second, only white males? I'm sure that Crosby chap got accused of much worse recently.

    --
    SJW n. One who posts facts.
  56. Re:Hitting on a girl == Rape* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Please don't offer to "translate" things written in a language you apparently don't understand.

  57. Re: Hitting on a girl == Rape* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You say "there were multiples" and yet claim "their job was not dependent on it"??

    So this was various members of a secretarial pool you were hitting on, and not women you treated like disposible tissues because they were subordinates??

  58. Re: Hitting on a girl == Rape* by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 1

    That spray mark on the wall of the restroom stall isn't "art", dude.

  59. Re: Hitting on a girl == Rape* by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

    Does it matter? He freely admits that he did wrong, and deserved the resulting unhappy consequences. He goes on to counsel the reader not to follow in his footsteps.

    How likely are further attempts at analysis to provide any additional information or insight?

    --
    Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
  60. Re:Anonymous accusers ? Next joke ? by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

    The way to abuse this phenomenon is obvious to anyone with half a strategic brain. Those of us who see this need to band together at all costs, setting all differences aside, and withdraw from the sectors of society that are swayed by this insanity, forming enclaves to shield ourselves from any liability for not keeping our trouser snakes in our trousers during working hours and our families from finding out about it.

    TFTFY.

    --
    Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
  61. Re:It's only sexual assault if you are rich by Rockoon · · Score: 1

    First, the dude admitted it.

    Did he admit that the claims of the women were true? The answer is no, he didn't.

    Why are you lying? How come you and Barbara are lying about it? My guess is that you just read Barbara's comments where He lied, and are now just repeating it, because the truth isnt part of your agenda today. You agenda is your personal appearance.

    Guess what... you just became uglier.

    --
    "His name was James Damore."
  62. Re:It's only sexual assault if you are rich by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

    Why are you lying? How come you and Barbara are lying about it?

    your a moran

    My guess is that you just read Barbara's comments where He lied,

    Barbara's not a dude. The clue is in the name.

    Anyway here's something for you:

    https://techcrunch.com/2017/06...

    Caldbeck says:

    The past 24 hours have been the darkest of my life. I have made many mistakes over the course of my career, some of which were brought to light this week. To say I'm sorry about my behavior is a categorical understatement. Still, I need to say it: I am so, so sorry.

    So yeah, he apologised for the stuff he did, so why are you denying his apology? What right do you have to speak for him?

    Guess what... you just became uglier.

    nah brah I'm ripped and beach ready

    --
    SJW n. One who posts facts.
  63. Re:Moral of the story by ooloorie · · Score: 1

    You seem awfully concerned about people doing wildly inappropriate things getting fired, because you seem to think it might get you fired.

    No, I'm simply concerned about lying feminists, White knights, and a culture of victimhood. You know, the kind of unprofessional mindset you display.

  64. I see a problem in making inappropriate advances by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What I don't see a problem with is two people misunderstanding what the other thinks is going on and one doing something that the other thinks inappropriate.

    Once you've said "Don't do that", then there is no misunderstanding. Unless you didn't mean "don't do that" when you said it, in which case that was not appropriate. But either ignoring the request or making a false request is a problem.

    But if you don't say "Don't do that" because you're worried that you'll lose a deal, then the problem is at the very least a large part your fault. By not saying that so you get the VC capital you're just making sexual advances part of the deal and every time one is accepted in silence you make it a VALID CLAIM that sex is part of the deal. It doesn't make their abuse of power any more right, but it DOES mean you can't say it's their fault you accepted the advances, YOU DECIDED TO DO THAT.

    It's the same goddamned problem with violent rhetoric or religious violence: if you excuse the violence that seems catalyzed by some rhetorician's speech as not being that pulpit pundit's fault, you ensure it can keep going and you make it easier for those who don't know they're in the wrong to deceive themselves and give cover to those who know what they're doing. Pointing it out may anger some "moderates", but it removes the cover from the problem and it's harder to deceive yourself about it and harder to falsely project your innocence to others and the problem erodes over time.

  65. Re:Moral of the story by ooloorie · · Score: 1

    It's not the radicals trying to talk someone in their workplace into having sex with them for money or advancement here is it?

    No, feminists have their very own ways of using sex for advancement and money. Fowler and her boss are two sides of the same coin.

  66. Yellow fever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The guy just loves Asian pussy give him a break

  67. ASDs are LEAST likely to be "SJW"s by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But MOST likely to be berated by them.

    Because if you don't get the unwritten rules of social interaction because of a mental development oddity that puts you on the autistic spectrum, you will most likely ask someone you're attracted to something that the other person thought they had "clearly indicated" by subtext was unwarranted.

    Indeed the SJW effect, such as it is, is based on the opposite: the belief that the clues you so clearly "see" as being indicative MUST be seen by everyone else. You empathise with others on subtext easily. Which means you project your own internal thoughts and conclusions onto others easily and never once question this assertion, unlike an autistic or aspergers sufferer. And when you "feel" that someone is wrong, you immediately start empathising what wrongness they must be thinking to do what you yourself would not do. YOU are not a bad person, you would not do this, therefore doing this is what a BAD person does, therefore THEY are a bad person. So now you look for subtexts that indicate exactly how right you are.

    Whereas someone in ASD would not know how it works inside someone else's head and would either be confused, take it all on surface observable appearance and actual explicit text, or would FUCKING ASK.

    And it may be that asking (getting solid data) before making a conclusion that makes the prevalence of ASD among the STEM group so much higher than in other human areas of endeavour.

    Moreover, it could therefore be easily explained that if you push someone into STEM, they will be less likely than "normal" for a STEM graduate/employee to be on the ASD spectrum and would, primed with "there's a lot of sexism in STEM" to SEE sexism there far more than someone of the same sex who already wanted to be there and therefore likely an aspie or similar. Because that latter person would have ASKED before coming to a conclusion. Instead of just empathising one into existence.

  68. Re:Moral of the story by Comrade+Ogilvy · · Score: 1

    Apparently, you treasure your precious victimhood.

  69. Re: Hitting on a girl == Rape* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Donald? Mr Trump? Mr President?

  70. Re:Moral of the story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not at all. I just pointed out that you're a moron.

  71. Re:Moral of the story by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

    Apparently you think men can't be trusted to stop thinking with their dicks. "I couldn't help myself. She shouldn't have dressed the way she did."

    Indeed, men who let their little head override their big head shouldn't be working with women. This explains the self-organizing emergent culture that has made tech evolve into such a toxic place for women.

    --
    "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
  72. Re:Moral of the story by ooloorie · · Score: 1

    Indeed, men who let their little head override their big head shouldn't be working with women.

    My point exactly. Yet, feminists insist on gender balance in every company instead of letting people sort themselves out based on who they want to work with.

    And just like these Silicon Valley men are obviously driven by their immature sexual urges they have never learned to control, these Silicon Valley women are driven by immature female behaviors they have never learned to control either. Hilarity ensues.

  73. Re:Hitting on a girl == Rape* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let's go back to the grandparent: "What he's accused of is making advances towards women over whom he exercised some form of power. If you don't understand why that's wrong, then you're part of the problem."

    You "translated" that as "If you're not with us, you're against us."

    So, let's get this straight: Do you think it's OK for a man to make direct advances against a woman who is his direct subordinate, psycology patient, or student? Do you think it is OK for a man to tell a subordinate that they will get fired if they do not sleep with him? Where do you stand on this issue?

  74. Re: Sad how people with a bad business plan... by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

    Oracle seems to be doing pretty well with a female CEO.

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  75. Re: It's only sexual assault if you are rich by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Barbara" is a dude. A dude that likes getting fucked by other dudes.

    There's a name for that, right ?

  76. Re:Hitting on a girl == Rape* by chihowa · · Score: 1

    A boss hitting on a subordinate is always inappropriate, regardless of the genders. There's a power differential and the possibility of an implied quid pro quo, even if it isn't explicit. It's always a problem, even if it isn't couched in abusive context, because the subordinate may feel duress and the boss won't know whether that's the case or not.

    Otherwise, unwelcome advances aren't harassment unless they become inappropriately persistent or obviously harassing.

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  77. Re:Moral of the story by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

    Except that "Not hitting on the hired help" is pretty much the antithesis of "unprofessional".

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  78. Re:Moral of the story by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

    A better rule is to simply avoid workplaces with large numbers of millennials, feminists, and progressives

    You should definitely do that.

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  79. Re: Hitting on a girl == Rape* by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

    You forgot the most common one: "officer."

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  80. Re:Hitting on a girl == Rape* by ooloorie · · Score: 1

    Oh come on, Silicon Valley is libertarian central. You're thinking of Berkeley

    You're confusing "libertarian" and "libertine". Billionaire leftists misbehaving isn't libertarianism.

  81. Re:Hitting on a girl == Rape* by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

    Oh come on, Silicon Valley is libertarian central. You're thinking of Berkeley.

    The legal system of the People's Republic of California still applies.

  82. Re:Moral of the story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, because you know what never happens? Conservatives being caught in sex scandals.

    Christ, you people who are all libruls-bad-conservatard-good are worse than the new earthers in your lizard-brained ignorance.

  83. Re:Moral of the story by ooloorie · · Score: 1

    Except that "Not hitting on the hired help" is pretty much the antithesis of "unprofessional".

    We agree on that.

    But there are many other ways of being unprofessional, and you display several of them.

  84. Re:Moral of the story by ooloorie · · Score: 1

    I do! I'm just commenting from the sidelines on how dysfunctional these people are.

  85. So, this is now a crime? by gerald.edward.butler · · Score: 2

    M: Hey, I find you attractive and would like to get to know you better. Would you like to go on a date sometime?

    W: No, no thank you. I'm not interested.

    M: OK .....time passes....

    W: I was threatened and intimidated by his "Power" boo-hoo. Somebody pwotect me fwum da big bad man!

  86. Some day the shoe will be on the other foot. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And men will tell women in power that they are making inappropriate sexual advances.
    I can't wait to try on the whole shoe store.

  87. Re:Moral of the story by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

    Whoosh. I meant, you should avoid those places because you suck and then the rest of us will be able to enjoy them without your toxic crap ruining it.

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  88. What a bunch of faggots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am so happy I left America and you weakling coward beta male sissys. You've bent over so far for the whacko left you don't even have any idea what it means to be masculine anymore or the how a proper man/woman roles must work.

    The type of relationships where the man stays secure in his responsible dominant role to produce a family and help secure the community have been destroyed. No surprise western society HAS fallen apart and birthrates are in the toilet. The state has replaced the family. The policeman has replaced the father. And men must yield decisions to women, creatures that left without male guidance often fall succumb to their illogical, emotional, manipulative ways. Take a look at a trailer park to see failed women and men. Now the US and Canada have become national trailer park.

    To bad most will not be able to figure out this is not a troll.

    1. Re:What a bunch of faggots by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      I agree you aren't trolling. And you are free to have your own opinion, even though it's total horseshit.

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  89. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

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  90. Re: Hitting on a girl == Rape* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why is there a hole in the stall? Every time I go to look I keep getting poked in the eye. I'm very curious, so I looked one more time, now I have a black eye for Christ sakes.

  91. Re: Anonymous accusers ? Next joke ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bill is that you? Why you posting AC.

  92. Re:I see a problem in making inappropriate advance by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

    There are a lot of professional business situations where I don't need to spell out that something is inappropriate. There is a context and you should be aware of that context and behave appropriately without being prompted to do so.

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  93. Re: Moral of the story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can sum up this whole convo, here it goes:

    Men are horny and want sex. Don't want sex, don't get horny. Dont work with women if you are horny.

  94. Re:Moral of the story by ooloorie · · Score: 1

    Whoosh. I meant,

    It's perfectly obvious what you meant.

    you should avoid those places because you suck and then the rest of us will be able to enjoy them without your toxic crap ruining it.

    What "rest" would that be? Correct me if I'm wrong, but you seem to be living in a row house in a small British city playing with obsolete video games.

    And the thing you are standing up for is a toxic stew of Silicon Valley "bros" and rabid progressives going at each other's throats.

    I'm quite proud not to be part of either the culture you actually come from, or the one you pretend to be part of.

  95. Re:Hitting on a girl == Rape* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  96. Re:It's only sexual assault if you are rich by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It seems more likely that rich straight males make the news more. And particularly, VCs and tech CEOs make the news here on Slashdot more.

  97. Re:Moral of the story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unfortunately, that's not sufficient, because if your unmarried, sex-crazed 30-something CEO hits on your feminist 20-something radical, your job is still at risk.

    Can I remove some qualifiers here to simplify this statement: "if *person A* hits on *person B* at work, your job is still at risk". That is, if any employee is hitting on any other employee at work, they should be fired. Sounds reasonable to me. As another poster said, the workplace is not a singles bar. Do you actually want to work at a place where that isn't the case?

  98. Re:I see a problem in making inappropriate advance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And there are a lot of business situations that are just social situations at work, and the appropriateness is different.

    Therefore your claims are still insufficient as rebuttal to the post I made.

    There is context,and that context is different in every situation, yet you want to make it the same context in this situation even when you don't know what the situation is.

    For example, is it inappropriate for a woman to use sex to get VC funding? If so, and the VC thought that was what was going on, then the wrongness was from the woman first. If the woman then made it clear this was not the case, then it was a mistaken assumption. Much like the one you are making here. And if the VC continues to pretend that it is still a swap of sex for funding, then the VC is wrong. But if the woman accedes to the sexual advance until AFTER the deal has been struck, she is in the wrong.

  99. Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There was a time where I came to slashdot for "non-CNN" headline news... What's happening ?

  100. Re:Moral of the story by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

    No, I'm simply concerned about lying feminists,

    So. Much. Pearl. Clutching.

    So why are you whining all over this story then? The feminits in question aren't lying: the dude they've accused has admitted to it. Ergo, they were telling the truth.

    So, what you're actually worried about is people telling the truth. If the truth frightens you, then you are most certainly part of the problem and do not in any meaningful sense qualify as "professional".

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  101. Re:Moral of the story by ooloorie · · Score: 1

    The feminits in question aren't lying

    If you didn't quote selectively, it would perhaps make more sense to you.

    If the truth frightens you, then you are most certainly part of the problem and do not in any meaningful sense qualify as "professional".

    "The truth" is that both "the dude" and the women behaved unprofessionally.

  102. When men see advances as a problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    then we will have a problem.

  103. Re: It's only sexual assault if you are rich by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ask Barbara Hudson. He's a fag and has probably been raped before. He'd know all about it I guess ?

  104. Re: Sad how people with a bad business plan... by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

    And that's why I will never work for a company that has a woman at a C level. They blame everyone else besides themselves.

    Male C-level folks do it too. Ever hear of the expression "shit runs downhill?" We've all had bosses who make serious errors of judgement against our better advice, then when the crap hits the fan it's not their fault. And if you disagree your days are numbered, even if you have all the proof in the world, because "you're a troublemaker who doesn't respect authority."

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  105. Re:Moral of the story by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

    Or men could just learn to control their urges. Why is that such a radical thought?

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  106. Re:Hitting on a girl == Rape* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > If you don't understand why that's wrong, then you're part of the problem.

    grow a fucking spine; if you think your boss hitting on you is a problem, YOUR the problem. Not your boss.

  107. Re:Moral of the story by ooloorie · · Score: 1

    Or men could just learn to control their urges. Why is that such a radical thought?

    I'm all for it. Unfortunately, that's hard to do in an environment in which large numbers of people claim that gender is merely a social construct and pretend that women and men are interchangeable.

    And, of course, the problem isn't just that men fail to control their urges, it's that women fail to control their urges just as much.

  108. Re:Moral of the story by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

    "The truth" is that both "the dude" and the women behaved unprofessionally.

    Nope, the dude behaved very unprofessionally, the women behaved reasonably. The only reason you're calling them unprofessional, it appears, is because you're petrified of the same sort of thing happening to you.

    here's a free bit of advice: stop behaving unprofessionally and you'll be fine.

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  109. Re:Moral of the story by ooloorie · · Score: 1

    the women behaved reasonably

    Writing blog posts about how awful your past employer was is not professional behavior, not matter whether the reason was bad pay, homophobia, or a horny boss.

    here's a free bit of advice: stop behaving unprofessionally and you'll be fine.

    Good advice. You should heed it since you obviously have trouble with it.

    But you haven't been working in large organizations anyway, have you?

  110. Unwanted advances by Richard+Brandshaft · · Score: 1

    [At a faculty meeting about sexual harassment:] "...we were handed a printed list of 'guidelines.' Number one on the list was: 'Do not make unwanted sexual advances.' Someone demanded querulously from the back, 'But how do you know they're unwanted until you try?' (Okay, it was me.) Our leader, David, seemed oddly flummoxed by the question... --Laura Kipnis, "Men: Notes From An Ongoing Investigation" (Henry Hold, 2014)

  111. It's called "testing". by NoSalt · · Score: 1

    How does a person know the advances are unwanted unless they first make the advances?

    1. Re:It's called "testing". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By learning to read and act on indicators of interest (IOIs). This is very basic game, part of any newbies guide to game.

  112. Re:Moral of the story by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

    The whole "gender (identity) is a social construct" is definitely bs. The sense of which sex you are is innate. It's just how it's expressed that changes with society, and that's kind of to be expected.

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  113. Re:It's only sexual assault if you are rich by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Did you ever stop to think that maybe his public apology was simply to save face? We live in an era where public opinion rules. Get accused of rape? Doesn't matter if you're found innocent in court, you may as well skip town and start over somewhere else, because everybody will think you're a rapist. Accused of child molestation? Again, doesn't matter if the courts find you innocent, you are permanently branded as a creep and you'll be lucky if you don't get beaten within inches of your life by an angry mob. The same applies in this case. There is a lot of publicity shining a light on him. We don't know if the allegations are true or not. Heck, even the media keeps referring to them as allegations and accusations, so how are you so completely and utterly sure he's guilty? His apologies never address specific instances, but are instead rather vaguely worded.

    From the article you linked:

    Caldbeck did not outright admit nor deny the allegations

    Maybe he did it, maybe he didn't. I don't know. You don't know. To pretend otherwise is to lie. Period.