And using MS products is often the quickest and most efficient solution to the problem at hand
At this point I'm arguing against their audit methods such as overstepping reasonable bounds and not their products. IMHO however their complex scheme requiring a CAL for a users phone in addition to their computer just to check email is yet another of the long list of reasons why MS Exchange is very well named - trade it in for something else:)
When I saw an "MS licensing for Dummies" book a few years ago I thought it was a joke, but it really is such a mess that a book is required to untangle it beyond the OEM licence level. Personally I think it is deliberately vague and confusing to facilitate audits since MS could not have lasted so long if they were really as incompetent as their licensing tangle implies.
You did agree to them as part of your VLA license.
On a product unused for more than twelve years and twelve years since the licence expired? No - such obligations ended in 2000 when the licences expired. They don't get to own your soul forever kids. It works both ways, if you are not permitted to use their product beyond a certain date then they are not permitted to inflict extra obligations on you beyond that date.
But if you are organized and in control of your network, you should be on solid ground arguing with them.
And sit through a time consuming marketing exercise after revealing a lot of information that should be confidential? After letting them get their grubby paws over laptops of the top level execs and waste their time as well? The only way to win is not to play.
Those "shout-outs" (not citations) with zero information are supposed to prove what exactly? There is NOTHING to say they agree with you. Another slimy little childish trick.
As for funny, nice that you can laugh at people trying to draw your attention to the misfortunes of others outside of your comfortable little bubble. You've probably got an idea of how little I think of your worth at that point - IMHO you are merely a bad influence on the children you are attempting to mislead into grubby politics that worships selfishness.
There were questions about phones - zero relevance apart from marketing purposes. I cannot recall how many pages of questions since I gave up in anger even flicking through the first 20. The guy who contacted me spoke as if I was some sort of criminal before he even inflicted the survey on me and it had conditions about being willing to submit to audits at any time just by filling the thing out. It was an attempted shakedown.
Is the melting of the ice etc not just part of a very long natural cycle
Not this time according to reports compiled since before Nixon was President. In geological time we are of course utterly screwed, but this is about speeding up the problems.
You lied, insulted me and then marked me foe so expect a bit of plain language to describe your actions. Can't take it? Are you some sort of weakling very happy to dish it out but who runs crying when a response milder than yours comes back? You started this so should be able to deal with at least mild criticism in the face of your lies and your deliberately attempts to mislead the gullible for some sort of political motive. This "we can define our own reality" shit should have died forever in 2008.
Manufacturing has already recovered from the crash in 2008
Incorrect, citing a nobody (never heard of them - political thinktank in a backwater?), and weasel words to avoid addressing the decline since 2000. Why are you doing this?
In other news from the multinational banking firm, Goldman Sachs believes virtual-reality and augmented-reality
I went to the Hitachi stand at a show in 1988 and tried out their 3D goggles - they believed virtual reality was the future and they have actually done something over the years to make it happen. Goldman Sachs on the other hand are predicting it after it's already in video game consoles FFS!
They also believed Greece would be an economic powerhouse - at least that's what they told Greece when Goldman Sachs offered to manage some money for them. Guess how that turned out? I'd even trust Bitcoin before Goldman Sachs - ok that's going a bit far, but what Goldman Sachs say is often very different to what they do.
What does the fine print say about exceeding the licence? I very strongly suspect there are harsh penalties and it's a bit of a trap, even if it's only selectively sprung.
Getting sued for starting up seat 801 and violating the licence can do a lot more than temporarily "bring operations down" - and if not starting up seat 801 can even temporarily "bring operations down" or come remotely close to it then there is a long chain of serious fuckups leading to that point.
I'm not a fan of restrictive commercial software but I don't see a circumstance where your excuse would hold water with the vendor. If you haven't paid for it and the condition for using it is paying for it - then don't use it!
Plus there are usually workarounds. If user 801 needs it then it's likely that one of the 800 isn't even on premises let alone using the software so their copy of that application can be closed for how ever many hours, or maybe a day (vendors usually make it very convenient when they want you to give them money so it never takes long) that it takes to get extra licences.
The "we needed to use software we were not licenced to use for business critical reasons" excuse would get laughed out of court and cost quite a few dollars as extra punishment.
As an example, licensed for 800 seats, but using 835
While much of the software used in my workplace has some very annoying licence management software to punish the honest, it at least does not trap people by letting them go into non-compliance so the legal vultures can come in and feast. If your software allows 835 seats when you are only allowed 800 it's either a deliberate trap or incompetence on the part of the vendor or whoever they have bought their licence management software from.
If seat 801 can start up then someone on the vendor side has fucked up, or it's a trap.
Four years ago I was sent some audit paperwork (Microsoft SAM) as part of a shakedown with the excuse that the business I work for bought an NT server licence and 10 CAL licences in 1998. That was the last licence purchase from MS apart from OEM licence since the place was a *nix shop and moved to SAMBA around 2000 (no point having a single MS server - should have at least a backup domain controller anyway since MS server is so fragile). So in 2012, FOURTEEN YEARS after buying licences the vultures turned up. I took a look at it, it had dozens of pages of things unrelated to the actual licences including questions about the number of android, mac and linux devices. I decided that it was a very offensive fishing expedition and marketing exercise and that I had no desire to ever be in the situation where they could legally inflict this upon me. so I told them the licences were not current and not in use so I was not their customer - several times, and eventually they stopped contacting me. It was a whole lot more than just sending them details of current licences (of which I had none) and clearly was designed as a combination of shakedown and very intrusive marketing information aquisition. So it's not just about satisfying them that you have current licences, they want to know about what else you have from other vendors, number of employees, company income etc which is none of their business.
Your SIG loser. Are you going to have to hand your guns back when you turn 45? No? Then obviously being an imaginary part of a militia has nothing to do with your gun rights, or your freedom (which seems to vanish the second you step into the airport and no longer have the freedom to avoid your balls being squeezed by the TSA). You may have guns (like I do), but you are not free. You are also living in the past on the power generation thing, following the same stupid party line that tells you that you are free while taking your freedom away.
Perhaps it's time to start thinking for yourself instead of spreading propaganda from those who convince you not to think and behave like a good little "comrade".
It's a tumour that maybe grew out of the protestant work ethic and is directed outwards instead of inwards - not the work ethic at all. "Mainstream" Protestant churches don't preach hate, actually help the poor and don't promote praying for money.
As expected from a guy that thinks an amendment about conscripting men under 45 into a militia to fight for the Federal government makes him free:) The world changed. Either catch up or not, but please stop moaning about it.
Reality is that, unlike what you claim, except for recessions, manufacturing in the US has not declined
WTF? Since income to the manufacturing sector has declined a vast amount how the hell can you justify such an obvious lie?
You've already told us that you're a disgruntled steel worker.
Engineer that spent some time contracting to a steelworks to adjust a process line for different heat treatments twenty-four years ago - hardly a steelworker:)
I only got interested in politics over the last few years, after having voted for Obama and being thoroughly disappointed
Kind of explains the naive comments. I'll bet you thought somehow a constitutional lawyer was some kind of radical! At least you give me someone to look down upon and feel smug about.
"Confessions of an Economic Hitman" that came out a few years ago was by a Bechtel insider and covered a bit of their relatively recent history from that perspective so is also worth a look.
Another amusing thing yesterday - attempting to open a file in the "file explorer" on read-only media that someone had given a stupidly long name in a series of directories with stupidly long names - didn't work despite it being 2016. It would have worked on linux in 1996. It would have worked on Microsoft Xenix in 1986. Incredible indeed - I can't believe it still sucks so much.
Sales are down, income is down, employment is down - so who gives a shit about your false metric? It's entirely useless if it tells you nothing about reality and is downright harmful when decisions are based on it without context. I'm seeing you as a nineteen year old intern in the office of a politician who used to be a used car salesman. How close did I hit the mark? Or maybe more than that and parked in a "think-tank" due to not having the ability to get a position on university staff, and just waiting for a sinecure to turn up.
underutilized union employees
Ah, yes, the bogey man of the lazy trust fund kiddies. Tell me then, in that example above how do you think it would be possible for there to be so many layoffs if there was a union involved with the site at all? It wasn't even in the USA so you are going to have to use your brain instead of blaming everything on rabid child eating teamsters or whatever childish fantasy you fall back on. I've never even been in a union and I find that shit offensive.
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At this point I'm arguing against their audit methods such as overstepping reasonable bounds and not their products. :)
IMHO however their complex scheme requiring a CAL for a users phone in addition to their computer just to check email is yet another of the long list of reasons why MS Exchange is very well named - trade it in for something else
When I saw an "MS licensing for Dummies" book a few years ago I thought it was a joke, but it really is such a mess that a book is required to untangle it beyond the OEM licence level. Personally I think it is deliberately vague and confusing to facilitate audits since MS could not have lasted so long if they were really as incompetent as their licensing tangle implies.
On a product unused for more than twelve years and twelve years since the licence expired? No - such obligations ended in 2000 when the licences expired. They don't get to own your soul forever kids. It works both ways, if you are not permitted to use their product beyond a certain date then they are not permitted to inflict extra obligations on you beyond that date.
And sit through a time consuming marketing exercise after revealing a lot of information that should be confidential? After letting them get their grubby paws over laptops of the top level execs and waste their time as well? The only way to win is not to play.
Those "shout-outs" (not citations) with zero information are supposed to prove what exactly? There is NOTHING to say they agree with you. Another slimy little childish trick.
As for funny, nice that you can laugh at people trying to draw your attention to the misfortunes of others outside of your comfortable little bubble. You've probably got an idea of how little I think of your worth at that point - IMHO you are merely a bad influence on the children you are attempting to mislead into grubby politics that worships selfishness.
There were questions about phones - zero relevance apart from marketing purposes. I cannot recall how many pages of questions since I gave up in anger even flicking through the first 20. The guy who contacted me spoke as if I was some sort of criminal before he even inflicted the survey on me and it had conditions about being willing to submit to audits at any time just by filling the thing out. It was an attempted shakedown.
Not this time according to reports compiled since before Nixon was President.
In geological time we are of course utterly screwed, but this is about speeding up the problems.
Yet another bit of PR in the spin cycle when the old PR was shown to be bullshit.
You lied, insulted me and then marked me foe so expect a bit of plain language to describe your actions. Can't take it? Are you some sort of weakling very happy to dish it out but who runs crying when a response milder than yours comes back? You started this so should be able to deal with at least mild criticism in the face of your lies and your deliberately attempts to mislead the gullible for some sort of political motive.
This "we can define our own reality" shit should have died forever in 2008.
Incorrect, citing a nobody (never heard of them - political thinktank in a backwater?), and weasel words to avoid addressing the decline since 2000.
Why are you doing this?
I went to the Hitachi stand at a show in 1988 and tried out their 3D goggles - they believed virtual reality was the future and they have actually done something over the years to make it happen. Goldman Sachs on the other hand are predicting it after it's already in video game consoles FFS!
They also believed Greece would be an economic powerhouse - at least that's what they told Greece when Goldman Sachs offered to manage some money for them. Guess how that turned out?
I'd even trust Bitcoin before Goldman Sachs - ok that's going a bit far, but what Goldman Sachs say is often very different to what they do.
What does the fine print say about exceeding the licence? I very strongly suspect there are harsh penalties and it's a bit of a trap, even if it's only selectively sprung.
Getting sued for starting up seat 801 and violating the licence can do a lot more than temporarily "bring operations down" - and if not starting up seat 801 can even temporarily "bring operations down" or come remotely close to it then there is a long chain of serious fuckups leading to that point.
I'm not a fan of restrictive commercial software but I don't see a circumstance where your excuse would hold water with the vendor. If you haven't paid for it and the condition for using it is paying for it - then don't use it!
Plus there are usually workarounds. If user 801 needs it then it's likely that one of the 800 isn't even on premises let alone using the software so their copy of that application can be closed for how ever many hours, or maybe a day (vendors usually make it very convenient when they want you to give them money so it never takes long) that it takes to get extra licences.
The "we needed to use software we were not licenced to use for business critical reasons" excuse would get laughed out of court and cost quite a few dollars as extra punishment.
While much of the software used in my workplace has some very annoying licence management software to punish the honest, it at least does not trap people by letting them go into non-compliance so the legal vultures can come in and feast.
If your software allows 835 seats when you are only allowed 800 it's either a deliberate trap or incompetence on the part of the vendor or whoever they have bought their licence management software from.
If seat 801 can start up then someone on the vendor side has fucked up, or it's a trap.
Four years ago I was sent some audit paperwork (Microsoft SAM) as part of a shakedown with the excuse that the business I work for bought an NT server licence and 10 CAL licences in 1998. That was the last licence purchase from MS apart from OEM licence since the place was a *nix shop and moved to SAMBA around 2000 (no point having a single MS server - should have at least a backup domain controller anyway since MS server is so fragile). So in 2012, FOURTEEN YEARS after buying licences the vultures turned up.
I took a look at it, it had dozens of pages of things unrelated to the actual licences including questions about the number of android, mac and linux devices. I decided that it was a very offensive fishing expedition and marketing exercise and that I had no desire to ever be in the situation where they could legally inflict this upon me. so I told them the licences were not current and not in use so I was not their customer - several times, and eventually they stopped contacting me.
It was a whole lot more than just sending them details of current licences (of which I had none) and clearly was designed as a combination of shakedown and very intrusive marketing information aquisition.
So it's not just about satisfying them that you have current licences, they want to know about what else you have from other vendors, number of employees, company income etc which is none of their business.
Clearly, so I suggest stop trying to convince people that a fantasy you've dreamed up in an area you know nothing about is reality.
Where did I say long term?
I was addressing how you were pretending the ongoing crash since 2008 never happened you obtuse idiot.
Where did I mention an amendment to anything?
Your SIG loser. Are you going to have to hand your guns back when you turn 45? No? Then obviously being an imaginary part of a militia has nothing to do with your gun rights, or your freedom (which seems to vanish the second you step into the airport and no longer have the freedom to avoid your balls being squeezed by the TSA).
You may have guns (like I do), but you are not free.
You are also living in the past on the power generation thing, following the same stupid party line that tells you that you are free while taking your freedom away.
Perhaps it's time to start thinking for yourself instead of spreading propaganda from those who convince you not to think and behave like a good little "comrade".
It's a tumour that maybe grew out of the protestant work ethic and is directed outwards instead of inwards - not the work ethic at all. "Mainstream" Protestant churches don't preach hate, actually help the poor and don't promote praying for money.
As expected from a guy that thinks an amendment about conscripting men under 45 into a militia to fight for the Federal government makes him free :)
The world changed. Either catch up or not, but please stop moaning about it.
So that's how you justify the lie - what a nasty piece of work you are.
You should be ashamed of yourself for such blatant reality denial.
WTF?
Since income to the manufacturing sector has declined a vast amount how the hell can you justify such an obvious lie?
Engineer that spent some time contracting to a steelworks to adjust a process line for different heat treatments twenty-four years ago - hardly a steelworker :)
Kind of explains the naive comments. I'll bet you thought somehow a constitutional lawyer was some kind of radical! At least you give me someone to look down upon and feel smug about.
"Confessions of an Economic Hitman" that came out a few years ago was by a Bechtel insider and covered a bit of their relatively recent history from that perspective so is also worth a look.
Another amusing thing yesterday - attempting to open a file in the "file explorer" on read-only media that someone had given a stupidly long name in a series of directories with stupidly long names - didn't work despite it being 2016.
It would have worked on linux in 1996.
It would have worked on Microsoft Xenix in 1986.
Incredible indeed - I can't believe it still sucks so much.
You did the right thing - they didn't.
Should they be rewarded for breaking the law while you don't get a chance at an opportunity?
I'm seeing you as a nineteen year old intern in the office of a politician who used to be a used car salesman. How close did I hit the mark? Or maybe more than that and parked in a "think-tank" due to not having the ability to get a position on university staff, and just waiting for a sinecure to turn up.
Ah, yes, the bogey man of the lazy trust fund kiddies. Tell me then, in that example above how do you think it would be possible for there to be so many layoffs if there was a union involved with the site at all? It wasn't even in the USA so you are going to have to use your brain instead of blaming everything on rabid child eating teamsters or whatever childish fantasy you fall back on. I've never even been in a union and I find that shit offensive.