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Windows Phone Free-Fall May Force Microsoft To Push Harder On Windows 10 (pcworld.com)

tripleevenfall quotes a report from PCWorld: Microsoft sold a minuscule 2.3 million Lumia phones last quarter, down from 8.6 million a year ago. Phone revenue declines will only "steepen" during the current quarter, chief financial officer Amy Hood warned during a conference call. That's dragged down Microsoft's results as a company, too. As the company's mobile device strategy continues to disintegrate, Microsoft may feel compelled to push harder on Windows 10 adoption and paid services to prove it can survive without a viable smartphone. CEO Satya Nadella's strategy is simple enough: grow Microsoft's revenues by convincing customers to adopt its paid subscription services.

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  1. But free falling is fun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and free. Jump! Jump! Jump!

    1. Re:But free falling is fun by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 1

      and free. Jump! Jump! Jump!

      The sudden stop subscription is a real bugger...

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    2. Re:But free falling is fun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Netcraft confirms it, Windows Phone is dead.

    3. Re:But free falling is fun by mcswell · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Strange, I have one sitting right in front of me, and it seems to still be alive. A few hours ago, I was sitting next to my son at dinner, and he was showing me his Android. I used to have an Android, but I much prefer the Windows OS. He said, "But you can't get App A on Windows!" I opened up the Windows phone store, and downloaded App A. "Oh, but you can't get App B!" I went back to the Windows store, got App B.

      Obviously there are far more apps for Android than there are for Windows. Some would say I was just lucky. I'd say I don't need the junky apps that mostly fill the Android store. In all the years I had an Android phone, I never found as good a weather app as the one that came built into my Windows phone. I prefer the navigation apps I have on Windows to the ones I had on my Android phone (although I hear that app maker has jumped ship). It's much easier to set the alarm on my Windows phone (the Android phone was always over-shooting). And in general I find my Windows phone easier to use.

      I am _not_ an Ms shill, and I never moved from Win7 to Win8 on my desktop (nor have I found any compelling reason yet to move to Win10). And for programming, Linux is far superior. But Android is, IMNSHO, a piece of junk.

      I realize that barring some miracle, the Windows phone will probably be dead some day. But it isn't yet.

    4. Re: But free falling is fun by untoreh+ · · Score: 1

      You said one truth, its hard to find a good weather app on android, the g play search engine is either fucked up or too cluttered with advertisement. The top ones seems to be of all those TV weather companies that apparently have trash mobile devs, because their apps suck ass. I can name you a couple good ones. Weather timeline, AccuWeather, Wecal(also calendar ), 14 days.

    5. Re: But free falling is fun by untoreh+ · · Score: 1

      This stuff is true for most common apps like launchers, browsers, messaging, cameras, battery managers, cleaning tools, media players.

    6. Re:But free falling is fun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a Windows Phone. I use it to make phone calls, view maps, and search the internet. It does all of these things extremely well.

      I understand that Instagram, Snapchat, and WhatsApp are not available on Windows phone... I couldn't care less because I'm not a millennial and none of my peers use that shit. The only third-party app I use is Spotify which is available on Windows phone.

  2. I'd consider paying for Microsoft Linux. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I'd consider paying for Microsoft Linux. Basically it would be desktop/workstation Linux, but without a lot of the stupidity we've seen lately. It wouldn't have systemd. It wouldn't have Unity or GNOME 3. It wouldn't have PulseAudio and NetworkManager.

    They could use new technology, like Mir, but couple it with a sensible init system (it doesn't have to be sysvinit; just not systemd!), and maybe an updated version of Xfce ported to Qt (since Qt is way better than GTK+). It would use Linux and open source software that works, without using a lot of the newer shit that doesn't work.

    Most important of all, I'd want them to port Edge to this Microsoft Linux distro. I've used Edge on Windows, and it's much nicer than Firefox or Chrome. If it was available for Linux, I'd be very happy! It's fast, it's sleek, and it's standards-compliant.

    In some sense it would be a return to their Xenix days.

    1. Re:I'd consider paying for Microsoft Linux. by Njorthbiatr · · Score: 1

      Well now that Windows is getting bash instead of powershell, it's definitely taking some lessons from Linux. I'd like to see this trend continue.

      A lot of things Microsoft does, they do better than everyone else. Their file explorer GUI is absolutely incredible, for instance. If I'm forced to use OS X I just browses directories through bash since that's so much less painless.

    2. Re:I'd consider paying for Microsoft Linux. by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      Holy shit. You REALLY think microsoft wouldn't put TONS of stupid shit in it over the years?

      Like create their own 'branded' GUI, and their own 'easy to use' network manager, and their own 'updated' init system?

      You really think they'd dig into the future of strong linux systems?

      Really?

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    3. Re:I'd consider paying for Microsoft Linux. by Xochil · · Score: 1

      It isn't free, but Path Finder is the cat's meow for GUI file management on OS X:

      http://www.cocoatech.com/pathf...

    4. Re: I'd consider paying for Microsoft Linux. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Powershell certainly isn't going away in favor of BASH any more than CMD went away for Powershell. BASH on Windows is basically being done in a reverse WINE made by Canonical. I imagine it will be an optional package or something.

      Anyway, Powershell is much better for Windows administration than BASH would be. So, as much as devs will prefer BASH, admins will not be giving up PS any time soon.

    5. Re:I'd consider paying for Microsoft Linux. by Junta · · Score: 1

      It's not bash 'instead of powershell', it's bash and enough stuff to optionally let a windows person develop for a linux VM on azure without needing to run linux locally.

      Powershell remains what they really want people to use for Windows stuff, and bash is only really intended to facilitate supporting VMs on Azure.

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    6. Re:I'd consider paying for Microsoft Linux. by Junta · · Score: 1

      In some sense it would be a return to their Xenix days.

      Oh, ok, your post was joking.

      In case people take it seriously, MS if anything would be a fan of pulseaudio, network manager, and systemd (also dbus, dconf), those are more similar to the Windows way of doing things. If anything it would be even messier, as MS' versions of those technologies can be even more convoluted, except maybe their software audio device abstraction is more robust than pulseaudio (though it can still get weird).

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    7. Re:I'd consider paying for Microsoft Linux. by NotAPK · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      "Their file explorer GUI is absolutely incredible, for instance."

      You're taking the piss right?

      The file explorer is as simple and bare-bones as it can get, and yet it still has massive problems. These may not affect all users, but the forums are "full enough" to justify a fix.

      File explorer refresh bug.

      File explorer "finding items" bug.

      File explorer slow to create or delete a folder.

      These are really basic operations. The most frustrating is the refresh bug, and second to this is the slow response to move or delete a folder: it should be instant to write the inode and tell the filesystem that the folder is in a new location.

      On top of these major issues, here is a list of features that would be really nice in a file explorer, and while we may disagree, I don't think these are power-user items:

      1) Allow a copy/move operation to be paused.
      2) Allow a move operation to be undone with visual feedback (hitting CTRL+Z will undo a move, but it's a silent operation)
      3) Stack concurrent move/copy operations based on disk IO: in other words, if I am already moving data from a USB drive and then start a second operation, queue it rather than start it immediately.
      4) When a copy/move operation encounters an error DO NOT FAIL SILENTLY. Anyone who has left a large network transfer to finish, and returned to no dialog and assumed that it finished, when really it failed and only some of the data was moved/copied, knows the pain of which I speak.
      5) When making a selection, show some useful information about the selection, such as how many items are selected and how large the selection is. This used to be shown in the status strip in XP, but was removed in Vista/Win7.
      6) Any kind of tool for mass manipulation of names.

      OK, fine, some of these are better in Win 10 than they ever were before, but I think my point stands, the Windows File Explorer is just the simplest bare-bones GUI for manipulating files. And even then, it's not as bug free as one would expect. My understanding is that they fucked it in Vista with a new asynchronous model, which probably made heaps of sense from a code structure point of view, and probably improved network browsing no end...yet they fucked it, as per the infamous "refresh bug" linked to above.

    8. Re: I'd consider paying for Microsoft Linux. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Larger community, more drivers for common hardware. Why would anyone use BSD?

    9. Re: I'd consider paying for Microsoft Linux. by johnsnails · · Score: 1

      Dolphin in KDE is superb, especially with the built in terminal and split mode.

    10. Re:I'd consider paying for Microsoft Linux. by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't say that it's better than anyone else, they have a good marketing but I wouldn't call the logic in their OS user-friendly, it's easy to get lost in group policy rules and other headaches.

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    11. Re: I'd consider paying for Microsoft Linux. by Z00L00K · · Score: 1, Informative

      I have been involved in administrating both *NIX and Windows boxes but powershell isn't really something that provides any added value for me.

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    12. Re:I'd consider paying for Microsoft Linux. by Khyber · · Score: 1

      "Allow a move operation to be undone with visual feedback "

      What, seeing the file disappear from one folder and reappear in another not enough visual feedback for you?

      "When making a selection, show some useful information about the selection, such as how many items are selected and how large the selection is. This used to be shown in the status strip in XP, but was removed in Vista/Win7."

      No, it was not. Hover over your selection, the information window pops up. Oh, look, length, file size, type, resolution if an image/video, etc.

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    13. Re:I'd consider paying for Microsoft Linux. by dbIII · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Their file explorer GUI is absolutely incredible

      Indeed.
      Sometimes I just cannot believe it's decided to let me wait while it renders a huge number of thumbnail images instead of letting me actually do stuff. Context switches just browsing into another directory are also difficult to believe are a good idea. Incredible indeed. They managed to make it far worse than the earlier version.

    14. Re:I'd consider paying for Microsoft Linux. by gtall · · Score: 1

      They'd just fuck it up like they've done everything else, New Linux: Now with In App Ads, Get it Today, Use and Enjoy!!

    15. Re: I'd consider paying for Microsoft Linux. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Download Teracopy. It is free.

    16. Re: I'd consider paying for Microsoft Linux. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Until powershell can be used interactively via SSH or PsExec it's value as a remote administration tool will be minimal at best. If MS want powershell to be relevant for IoT devices they need to correct this ASAP.

    17. Re:I'd consider paying for Microsoft Linux. by NotAPK · · Score: 1

      "What, seeing the file disappear from one folder and reappear in another not enough visual feedback for you?"

      If the operation is not instant then yes, it is insufficient.

      "No, it was not. Hover over your selection, the information window pops up. Oh, look, length, file size, type, resolution if an image/video, etc."

      Sorry if I wasn't clear, I was talking about having information reported on the selection, not individual files, which is what the tooltip will show. Information about the selection is shown in the "Status Bar" at the bottom of the window, yet in Win7 this is hidden by default. There is some more information about this issue here. It would be nice if there was information about multiple folders. Currently there is no way to learn the size of a selection of multiple folders in the Windows File Explorer. The only way to do it is to make a new folder, move your folders of interest into it, and then right click on that new folder and choose "Properties".

    18. Re: I'd consider paying for Microsoft Linux. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Err, there *IS* a pause function for copy/move operations. I've used it several times, and I think it's in W7 too.

      Also, the refresh big you posted was solved by repairing system files. Sounds like something got corrupted on the user's machine and not a normal problem. I.e. if you have that problem, you probably caused it unwittingly

    19. Re: I'd consider paying for Microsoft Linux. by NotAPK · · Score: 1

      Good recommendation, thanks.

      However my original post was about: "Their file explorer GUI is absolutely incredible, for instance." And requiring 3rd party software kind of proves my point.

      Anyway, I think I was trolled :) he he...

    20. Re: I'd consider paying for Microsoft Linux. by NotAPK · · Score: 1

      No, there is no pause in Win7. This was added to Win10, and yes, it's a great feature.

      If you have time (I know, who does?) then read that entire thread on the explorer refresh bug. The summary is that Microsoft has released numerous patches for this problem, and many users report that while each patch may initially work, the problem eventually returns. Some have concluded that the bug is deep and poorly defined, and so there is probably no hope of an actual genuine fix to the problem, that link (for example) is to a forum thread exploring the possibility of spitting F5 key presses at explorer windows to force them to continually refresh. Read this to truly appreciate how much of a train wreck the problem actually is.

    21. Re:I'd consider paying for Microsoft Linux. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why in the world would you think that Microsoft wouldn't use systemd?

    22. Re: I'd consider paying for Microsoft Linux. by Kultiras · · Score: 1

      PowerShell Remoting was made available in PowerShell 2.0 back in 2009. This allows you to execute local PS cmdlets against remote systems, or to launch an interactive shell via Enter-PSSession. PowerShell is now the foundation of all new local and remote administration tools available for Windows.

    23. Re:I'd consider paying for Microsoft Linux. by gweihir · · Score: 1

      You think that Microsoft, the creators of the abomination that is the Registry and that use things very much like systemd (although even worse) in their own OS would be able to do a decent Linux distro even if they tried hard? Talk about blind faith that a known bad actor would do good here.

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    24. Re: I'd consider paying for Microsoft Linux. by ScottyKUtah · · Score: 1

      I second that. Anytime I get on a computer without KDE, or a windows computer, I miss the split screen. Very handy!

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    25. Re: I'd consider paying for Microsoft Linux. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No fucking Torvalds, with his obnoxious behavior and his childish panties in a bunch, that's why.

      No supercilious, arrogant, dismissive RTFM assholes to berate the legitimately confused Noobs. That why.

      No fucking systemd, a solution in search of a problem. That's why.

      I've been working with computers since 1969. I love the IDEA of Linux, but I know a trainwreck when I see one. It's too bad, really.

    26. Re:I'd consider paying for Microsoft Linux. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also the Windows File Explorer is limited in the length of filenames and paths that it can handle.

      How ridiculous is it to browse to a folder and be unable to delete a file/folder?

      The typical workaround is to use robocopy to /MIR an empty folder to the problem folder location.

    27. Re: I'd consider paying for Microsoft Linux. by bondsbw · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If your current strategy works, great. But as someone who has also been involved in administering Linux and Windows boxes, Powershell is a great tool with a multitude of very useful features. As much as I love Bash, I would be very happy if Powershell got ported to Linux.

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    28. Re:I'd consider paying for Microsoft Linux. by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      what do you think "Microsoft Linux" would give you that cygwin on Windows wouldn't?

    29. Re: I'd consider paying for Microsoft Linux. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Windows for you then, buddy! Suck it up!

    30. Re:I'd consider paying for Microsoft Linux. by inode_buddha · · Score: 1

      The fact that some Mac users are migrating to linux is *proof* that homosexuality is a choice, and it can be cured. There just needs to be a free enough market. But the democrat will never allow this, with the need to fund their total-control utopia. Microsoft, on the other hand, cannot be cured; it must be killed with fire before it lays eggs.

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    31. Re:I'd consider paying for Microsoft Linux. by jenningsthecat · · Score: 1

      ... but I think my point stands, the Windows File Explorer is just the simplest bare-bones GUI for manipulating files.

      Did you have a 'golden' file manager in mind for comparison's sake when you said that Microsoft's is "simple and bare-bones"? I have no experience with Windows file management beyond XP, and none at all with Mac file management. But I do have lots of experience with lots of file managers under Linux. In my opinion, only one of them comes close to Windows Explorer for features and ease of use; that would be Dolphin, and unfortunately it has almost all of KDE as a dependency. Thunar has Bulk File Rename, which is useful, and which Explorer didn't have the last time I used it. But much more useful IMHO is integrated file search that actually does stuff like searching for text within files - Windows had that, but you won't find it in Linux unless you use Dolphin.

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    32. Re:I'd consider paying for Microsoft Linux. by floatpt · · Score: 1

      ++Pathfinder!! have to put another bump in here for Pathfinder, which is an excellent replacement for OSX Finder. I haven't used Microsofts File Explorer in awhile, but as of about 5 years ago I didn't have a high opinion of it until I switched over to mac and discovered how truly terrible Finder was. Imho Apple makes great hardware and a great os (OSX), but terrible software. Fortunately there is a wide array of excellent third party software out there.

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    33. Re:I'd consider paying for Microsoft Linux. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It looks like another dime-a-dozen file manager.

      Man, you got ripped off. You could have just used one of the many freeware or open source file managers already available.

    34. Re: I'd consider paying for Microsoft Linux. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only the lite/crippleware version of Teracopy is free to download.

      Ultracopier is better than Teracopy in every way, it's cross platform and it's truly free (open source).

    35. Re: I'd consider paying for Microsoft Linux. by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      I have been involved in administrating both *NIX and Windows boxes but powershell isn't really something that provides any added value for me.

      ???

      uh ok. I assume you have not touched Exchange or SQL server then or had to do offline domain joins on server farms or frankly do anything in droves. Powershell desired state configuration is ahead of bash and provides templates.

      You can't manage thousands of servers with a mouse. You need Powershell or some expensive 3rd party tool to automate.

    36. Re:I'd consider paying for Microsoft Linux. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In my opinion, only one of them comes close to Windows Explorer for features and ease of use

      If that is true, then you don't have much experience with file managers at all. Windows File Explorer is a plain, vanilla file manager with no stand out features. No multi-pane directories, no tabs, no built-in file handling, no advanced rename function, no built-in command prompt, no built-in logger, no theming/skinning and no colour customization if you hate white backgrounds (that last one is something that Microsoft actually downgraded from old versions of Windows Explorer that allowed it).

      Every time I have to use Windows File Explorer, I feel like tearing my hair out. It's just so cumbersome, slow and limited.

    37. Re:I'd consider paying for Microsoft Linux. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That might be what Microsoft hope, but I would be very surprised if the most common use case isn't remote administration over ssh.

    38. Re: I'd consider paying for Microsoft Linux. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except they all stop working every fn OS X update.

    39. Re: I'd consider paying for Microsoft Linux. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amen to that. Though I'll go further and say that Konqueror as a file manager is even more powerful, though at the cost of some convenience. Dolphin has nicer presentation and is generally more intuitive but Konqueror lets you do what Dolphin does and then some. Still, most of the time I just use Dolphin. If I need more than two panes I end up opening a second instance and splitting both instead of using konqueror and setting up extra panes.

    40. Re:I'd consider paying for Microsoft Linux. by Njorthbiatr · · Score: 1

      Rendering thumbnails: click on View then select Details:
      http://i.imgur.com/zU5guhk.png

      But they did drop the ball with tabs. Then again you can always use Clover to get tab functionality.

    41. Re:I'd consider paying for Microsoft Linux. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that would be Dolphin, and unfortunately it has almost all of KDE as a dependency.

      Why is that even being treated as a negative? A file manager for [environment] generally requires components from that environment to provide full features (or work at all). You could just as easily complain that Windows Explorer unfortunately requires most of Windows as a dependency, too. The discussion seems to just be about the merits of various file managers in their respective environments, so complaining about dependencies on those environments is silly.

      But much more useful IMHO is integrated file search that actually does stuff like searching for text within files - Windows had that, but you won't find it in Linux unless you use Dolphin.

      I don't know if it's gotten better since, but I hated the integrated search in 7. So close to greatness, but just short of it. Often failed to find matches, even when searching things I could see existed in a directory as a test of the feature. Still better than not having it at all, though.

      What I really wish other file managers (including explorer) would adopt is Dolphin's Filter Bar (under Control, Tools, Filter Bar; crtrl+i shortcut). Checks for the existence of your filter string within filenames in the directory and reduces the display to just those, with instant updates for new filters. Great for finding that one file you want, or showing all files of a single extension in a directory easily, etc. This is something everybody should steal and implement because it's too damn useful to ignore.

    42. Re:I'd consider paying for Microsoft Linux. by Njorthbiatr · · Score: 1

      "File explorer refresh bug [sevenforums.com]."

      Windows 7 bug. I'm talking about Windows 10 explorer.

      "File explorer "finding items" bug [cryer.co.uk]"

      This link is actually about deleting files, which I've never had an issue with. What it's complaining about here is that you have a recycle bin that can restore files? I mean I don't get that it's complaining about the performance of having to move things to the recycle bin. Nevertheless, I use SSDs and delete large files quickly with ease. I think this is more about hardware limitations than Windows.

      "File explorer slow to create or delete a folder. [microsoft.com]"

      Never had this bug. Most file manipulation I do is instant, so long as they're not obscenely large.

      "1) Allow a copy/move operation to be paused."

      You can.

      "3) Stack concurrent move/copy operations based on disk IO: in other words, if I am already moving data from a USB drive and then start a second operation, queue it rather than start it immediately."

      I think that's slightly more frustrating for most end-users, but I can certainly see how that would be useful.

      "5) When making a selection, show some useful information about the selection, such as how many items are selected and how large the selection is. This used to be shown in the status strip in XP, but was removed in Vista/Win7."

      It displays the number of files selected, but not their size, unfortunately. There may be an option for it but I don't know where it is, if there is one.

      "6) Any kind of tool for mass manipulation of names."

      Very much agree.

    43. Re:I'd consider paying for Microsoft Linux. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > In some sense it would be a return to their Xenix days.

      When Microsoft sold Xenix to SCO they signed a non-compete agreement that they would never release another Unix-like OS. The descendants of SCO are still around (just) and would sue if Microsoft did anything so stupid.

    44. Re: I'd consider paying for Microsoft Linux. by joshki · · Score: 1

      OSX doesn't have any drivers for any common hardware, does it?

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    45. Re:I'd consider paying for Microsoft Linux. by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Another amusing thing yesterday - attempting to open a file in the "file explorer" on read-only media that someone had given a stupidly long name in a series of directories with stupidly long names - didn't work despite it being 2016.
      It would have worked on linux in 1996.
      It would have worked on Microsoft Xenix in 1986.
      Incredible indeed - I can't believe it still sucks so much.

    46. Re: I'd consider paying for Microsoft Linux. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Carrying the monitors from the shipping dock to the users desk does not make you involved in administration. But don't worry, the industry is FULL of half ass workers. IT is no different, except nowadays, you're probably getting paid what you are worth. Which isn't much.
      Fuckin millennial.

    47. Re:I'd consider paying for Microsoft Linux. by jenningsthecat · · Score: 1

      that would be Dolphin, and unfortunately it has almost all of KDE as a dependency.

      Why is that even being treated as a negative? A file manager for [environment] generally requires components from that environment to provide full features (or work at all). You could just as easily complain that Windows Explorer unfortunately requires most of Windows as a dependency, too. The discussion seems to just be about the merits of various file managers in their respective environments, so complaining about dependencies on those environments is silly.

      I consider Linux file managers to be just that - file managers for [environment] = Linux, not [environment] = Gnome, XFCE, etc. In the past I have taken the hit to my disk space and installed Dolphin and its deps along with XFCE, and it works just fine, aside from the expected theme mismatch. So yes, having to install hundreds of megs in support of Dolphin, when other file managers require 10 megs or so, is a definite negative. And for me, KDE's heaviness compared with XFCE, and its eye-bleeding blinginess, (which I have never been able to tone down enough for my taste no matter how much I tweak it), make it a non-starter.

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    48. Re:I'd consider paying for Microsoft Linux. by jenningsthecat · · Score: 1

      In my opinion, only one of them comes close to Windows Explorer for features and ease of use

      If that is true, then you don't have much experience with file managers at all ...

      Not at all. It just means that I don't find multi-pane capability, tabs, and theming as important as you do. They're nice to have, but I don't miss them terribly when they're not present.

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    49. Re:I'd consider paying for Microsoft Linux. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For personal preferences, sure, that's a fair concern, but I was stating that it's an unfair complaint in the context of comparing features and quality of various file managers, especially in a discussion involving Windows' file manager, which is deeply ingrained in its environment.

      Also, I'm curious what full-featured file managers you're comparing here that are "10 megs or so". I get the impression you're not counting dependencies on gtk, xfce, etc. because you're already using those libs elsewhere, but again, that's an unfair comparison. Actual X11-based, non-gtk/non-qt file managers are small, but they're also rare and usually lacking features while still pushing your "10 megs or so" limit. xfe wants about 8.5m without installing suggested and already having most of its deps. "worker" is around 7 without recommendeds. The smallest I could find was tkdesk at ~2m, but that's because I already have tcl/tk installed. In all cases, the actual install size would be larger except that I already have most of the deps from other things.

      The problem I had, and it's not just you because it tends to come up any time there's qt vs gtk app discussion, is it's disingenuous to argue against one file manager for its dependencies while sweeping the deps of the others under the rug and pretending they aren't there. It always happens because "well, I already have those deps so they don't count" but, especially with this discusison, that isn't even relevant considering it was about the quality and features of Windows Explorer in comparison with other file managers.

      It's fine to go "I like this but don't want to install the dependencies", and I'm not criticizing that. If I didn't already like a lot of KDE and Qt apps, I'd probably be reluctant to install all the needed deps for Dolphin as well. The extra space isn't that big a deal, but it's more crap that has to be updated, using time and bandwidth. I ended up purging all the GNOME-based applications I had from my system, in fact, because I didn't like any of them enough to justify the space, time, and constant state of flux that they were in after GNOME3 became a thing.

      Though, if GNOME had any "killer app" type applications that were far and away better than the non-gnome alternatives, I'd seriously consider taking in the deps again. Oxygen (qt) and oxygen-gtk do a great job of keeping everything looking homogenous that I could deal with it if there were a good enough reason. Like, say, if Dolphin were part of GNOME, I might consider giving in because I think it's probably the best GUI file manager available right now. In part because of some of the things it uses from KDE like the kio stuff, but still.

      As for the blinginess, not sure what you mean unless you're talking about the desktop shell (plasma) or the window decorations and effects (kwin). Neither of those should be a problem in a non-KDE environment. Well, arguably there's good reason (performance, configurability) to use kwin as the window manager for other environments, but it's not really blingy aside from the compositing effects. You can configure it heavily though, so it's no more or less eye candy-heavy than you want it to be. I even have titlebars turned off with it (a feature of the oxygen window decorations) to free up some extra vertical space.

      The UI widgets, especially the Oxygen default of KDE4, aren't very fancy. If anything they seem rather plain, and can be configured (via oxygen-settings command) to be even less fancy by controlling some animation and display settings.. Though if you're using a primarily gtk environment, you should probably just be using the "gtk+ style" widgets that use gtk for the theming instead, which shouldn't be any more or less blingy than your normal gtk theme.

      If you're really determined to get a spartan look, Qt has a handful of built-in "unthemed" styles. There's Cleanlooks, which is pretty bare, but you could just go for the CDE or Motif bui

    50. Re: I'd consider paying for Microsoft Linux. by sevenisloud · · Score: 1

      Just select multiple folders, right click on one of them, then properties?

  3. Time for the Paid Shills to Earn Their Keep! by mrmaster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I am eagerly looking forward to reading about how amazing the Windows phone is and how everyone should own one. Every time there is a Windows phone article there end up being more positive comments about the windows phone than there are real life window phone users.

    1. Re:Time for the Paid Shills to Earn Their Keep! by Njorthbiatr · · Score: 1

      I do .NET development and really there isn't one.

      You can develop .NET on Android too now. Windows phone is simple a bust.

    2. Re:Time for the Paid Shills to Earn Their Keep! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since you know so much about this "shilling" that's allegedly happening here, can you tell us who to contact to become a shill for Microsoft? Is there a job board somewhere where we can see the positions that are available and apply for them?

      And can you explain why Microsoft, or any other company, would even bother paying people to promote their products here at Slashdot? I mean, I could understand it on Twitter, or YouTube, or Facebook, or Hacker News, or Reddit, or other sites with real audiences that actually matter. But why Slashdot of all sites?! Why a site that has seen drastically dwindling readership? Why a site that is no longer influential at all?! Why wouldn't they just throw their money into the toilet and flush it away, since that would be so much easier?

    3. Re:Time for the Paid Shills to Earn Their Keep! by NatasRevol · · Score: 2

      Best Microsoft hardware since the Zune!

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    4. Re:Time for the Paid Shills to Earn Their Keep! by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2

      I don't own a Windows anything, but my partner bought one because of the camera. The UI is really nice, but it's let down by the complete lack of apps. I'd buy one if it had support from more third parties, and more third parties would support it if more of them were sold. It's not clear that there's a way out of this spiral for MS.

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    5. Re:Time for the Paid Shills to Earn Their Keep! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Well, the HP Elite X3 shown in MWC 2016 was a great concept. Assuming it lives up to the hype, thats would the first Windows phone ever that picked my curiosity but I still can't forgive Microsoft for canning the Courier project.

    6. Re:Time for the Paid Shills to Earn Their Keep! by wicka_wicka · · Score: 2

      Have you considered that it's possible to think Windows Phone is amazing in some regards while also not owning one? I used the Lumia 900 for a few months before they announced I couldn't upgrade it to WP8, then went back to Android, but I loved the UI. It was a natural extension of the Zune UI, which I also loved, and the thing was just a pleasure use. The interface is even better now, but the platform has NO APPS. It's functionally useless because of that. I have an iPhone now, I like a lot of things about Android too, and I wish Windows Phone had enough apps to make it a viable third option. I think the market would be a lot better for it. You don't have to be a paid shill to hold that opinion.

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    7. Re:Time for the Paid Shills to Earn Their Keep! by kuzb · · Score: 1

      Actually Windows Phone is pretty good, it's just that the software development isn't there which makes them less useful than an Android phone. Try one the next time you see one in a store with a display - it might surprise you.

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    8. Re:Time for the Paid Shills to Earn Their Keep! by kuzb · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately there isn't. Windows phone is on its deathbed. I agree that if it had more apps it would be a serious contender .

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    9. Re:Time for the Paid Shills to Earn Their Keep! by DogDude · · Score: 2

      I'm not a paid shill, but I love my Windows Phone. The better question is, who's paying you?

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    10. Re:Time for the Paid Shills to Earn Their Keep! by CastrTroy · · Score: 2

      I have a Windows phone and I haven't really found the apps lacking. But that may depend on my limited uses for a phone. It makes calls, sends text messages, manages my calendar, lets me read and reply to email, lets me browse the web, browse reddit with one of the best redder clients out there (Readit), lets me check the weather, connect to Facebook, twitter and other major social networks, record my bike rides, look up maps and get directions and download maps for offline use, listen to music, watch videos, take pictures and record videos. I can't think of anything I've wanted to do on my phone that isn't covered by an available app or built into the phone.

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    11. Re:Time for the Paid Shills to Earn Their Keep! by wicka_wicka · · Score: 1

      That's fair, but I don't think people like you exist in large enough numbers to support the platform. As an aside, is Microsoft actually trying to sell Lumias? I assumed they were waiting to release a Surface Phone and put all their effort behind that.

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    12. Re:Time for the Paid Shills to Earn Their Keep! by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 2

      Then I'm wondering why MS bought Xamarin... Xamarin is an environment that lets you develop chross-platform apps for iPhone, Android, OSX, and Windows phones using C# / .Net and Visual Studio. I can imagine that MS bought them in order to get more app builders to target Windows phones, since with Xamarin you basically get to do that for only a little extra effort.

      By the way, I've been porting a fairly complex app to Xamarin for the past 3 months, and it's a wonderful environment compared to Objective-C (don't know how it compares to Swift though). Compared to Android's Java environment it's pure heaven. C# is just so much better (and I am no C# guy by trade, used to do Objective-C and C++).

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    13. Re:Time for the Paid Shills to Earn Their Keep! by Octorian · · Score: 5, Informative

      When Windows Phone was newer, Microsoft paid everyone to write apps for it. As such, people were giving it tons of half-hearted lipservice calling it the "legitimate 3rd platform" to the exclusion of anything else (that didn't have as big of a bank account behind it).

      Now that they've stopped the payouts, and still keep changing the APIs, support is dropping and a lot of that lipservice is starting to fade away.

    14. Re: Time for the Paid Shills to Earn Their Keep! by r_jensen11 · · Score: 1

      Out of curiosity, what functionality is missing due to lack of 3rd party programs (oops, I mean "apps"?) I have GPS (both HERE and Waze), Pandora, FM radio (which oddly is unavailable on Apple without buying extra hardware....), email, browsing, and banking programs. Skype works well and there are enough games to help pass the time. Specific games are missing, yes, but it's anyone really buying a $600 define to primarily play a specific $5 game?

    15. Re: Time for the Paid Shills to Earn Their Keep! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's the superiority of apps. Google maps is much better, Google photos gives you unlimited storage. And most banks aren't on Windows phone.

    16. Re: Time for the Paid Shills to Earn Their Keep! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's a bunch of important basic stuff that Windows has always been missing

      This is just the beginning before you even get into the question of which apps are present but don't actually work properly.

    17. Re:Time for the Paid Shills to Earn Their Keep! by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      Windows on phones were never really taking off because it was so lobotomized. It was a hell trying to make apps for it since the documentation stated that there were function calls that could be used but there was nothing behind the call. "the light is on but nobody home"-effect.

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    18. Re:Time for the Paid Shills to Earn Their Keep! by Khyber · · Score: 0

      Windows phones suck. When your phone can't see my bog-standard wireless AP while various Android and iPhone devices can, it's a piece of shit.

      Every Windows phone fails to see my wireless access point.

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    19. Re: Time for the Paid Shills to Earn Their Keep! by dbIII · · Score: 3, Funny

      Less apps than an N900 can get today despite it's age - now that's a step backwards.

    20. Re: Time for the Paid Shills to Earn Their Keep! by whoever57 · · Score: 1

      Perhaps your bank supports a Windows Phone app, but many banks don't. App developers have been pulling apps from Windows phone, so the situation for WP users is actually getting worse. Finally, it's quite well known that many WP apps don't work as well as their Android/iPhone equivalents.

      The problem is similar to that of a Linux desktop: for any given buyer, it only takes one missing must-have app (or feature) to make the whole platform unattractive.

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    21. Re:Time for the Paid Shills to Earn Their Keep! by Blaskowicz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I feel like there's too much stuff in your list! The only stuff missing is e.g. the local bus company's app, that of the bank. Even government/welfare apps etc. Trading broker's app. Grocery delivery. All that stuff is made for the duopoly. Although there's no big reason why a mobile site with a shortcut on the home screen wouldn't do the job for most of these, hence why I'm pissed at the death of Firefox OS. Native apps (including Java/C# here) were vitally needed when they needed to support a single core and 256MB RAM and also the javascript engines were more crappy back then.
      Perhaps with Web Assembly that will make the news again. Although yes maybe web apps are technically despicable but well I'm typing on the Slashdot "web app" right now.

    22. Re:Time for the Paid Shills to Earn Their Keep! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My Lumia 950 and 550 have not demonstrated this problem.

    23. Re: Time for the Paid Shills to Earn Their Keep! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://chriskoenig.net/2013/01/01/microsoft-evangelist/

    24. Re: Time for the Paid Shills to Earn Their Keep! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It can't be used for browsing because it lack an adblocker, and you either use a wifi router with hostfile blocklist or some more cumbersome thing.

      Unless you really like ad javascript randomly redirecting the browser.

    25. Re: Time for the Paid Shills to Earn Their Keep! by Threni · · Score: 1

      I literally clicked on the headline to read that, or your comment. Either shills or more stupid than usual windows devs deluding themselves that any day now daily windows mobile sales will go into double figures and there'll be a second, iOS-style gold rush for their shitty "done in a weekend" apps.

    26. Re: Time for the Paid Shills to Earn Their Keep! by Threni · · Score: 1

      Even apple and Google can't afford to pay the billions of users they share. People just like using them, and developers satisfy them.

    27. Re:Time for the Paid Shills to Earn Their Keep! by localman · · Score: 2

      You know, I came here to say that I actually like the Windows phone. But it's true I don't own one - I had to use one when abroad for a month last year. But by the time I was done I thought it was actually a more-well-thought-out UI than my iPhone. I didn't scrap my iPhone though. Friends of mine that have tried them have said the same thing. But none of them have switched either. So what you're saying is true, even without paid shills: there are more people that "like" Windows phone than use it. I guess the question is why? My answer is that the hardware is not very sexy and I'm afraid to switch over to a platform that might be dying, whether I like it or not. Back in the day I stuck with the Amiga way too long, and got bit by Be OS as it came and went. So even though I kind of want one, I'm hesitant.

      I guess I'm just saying that sometimes there can be good products that languish for reasons unrelated to the quality of the product. I'd say Windows phone is one of those things. Call me a shill if you must.

    28. Re:Time for the Paid Shills to Earn Their Keep! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your access point is shit. My Windows phone sees every access point I've thrown at it.

    29. Re:Time for the Paid Shills to Earn Their Keep! by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      My phone does all those other things you mentioned as well. The local bus company doesn't even have an app, they just have a web site. They actually opened up the API so other people could provide a better experience and have real time bus locations without the bus company needing to pay for expensive development fees. My bank app works on my phone, although I hardly use it because I don't really see much need for banking on my phone.

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    30. Re:Time for the Paid Shills to Earn Their Keep! by kuzb · · Score: 1

      I don't believe you. While I did not own a Windows Phone, I knew others that did and they did not suffer this problem.

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    31. Re:Time for the Paid Shills to Earn Their Keep! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More hilarious is that you don't understand how stupid your statement is. You seem to think that not owning a particular kind of phone means you have absolutely no exposure to it, and thus can't have an opinion regarding it.

      Quit wasting perfectly good oxygen and fulfill your destiny as flower fertilizer please.

    32. Re:Time for the Paid Shills to Earn Their Keep! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only people I ever heard saying good things about Windows Phones were shills or Finns... and ever since Nokia was sold to MS not even Finns anymore.

    33. Re:Time for the Paid Shills to Earn Their Keep! by GuB-42 · · Score: 1

      I prefer Android for several reasons but I am sad to see the Windows phone fiasco. I really wanted it to succeed... for other people.
      The biggest reason is that it didn't try to be a clone of iOS and Android. I especially liked the tile-based interface. I don't know how it does in practice but at least, they tried something that is not a iOS clone. They also introduced the "flat" design which everyone copied, for the better or for the worse. It seemed like it was rather well designed internally too.
      It was far from perfect, and judging by the failure, it wasn't even good but it really brought something. Had it be more successful, it would have stirred competition, for the good of everyone. iOS vs Android used to be a thing, but now, it looks like they both settled in their niche.

    34. Re:Time for the Paid Shills to Earn Their Keep! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bitch, you've been shilling for MS on this site for as long as I can remember. Practically every post I see from you is talking about how much you love some MS product. Give it a rest, man. I remember you getting wrecked in the comments a couple of years ago when someone exposed your phydeaux.com site as running on BSD or Linux or something non-MS all the while you were talking about how great IIS was. Basically, you are a liar and a hypocrite.

    35. Re:Time for the Paid Shills to Earn Their Keep! by oakgrove · · Score: 1

      I guess I'm the opposite then. I actually owned a Windows Phone. It was the large screen (for the time) HTC. I don't even remember the model name. I only gave it a chance because of the heaping praise all the tech blogs and commenters were giving it. I absolutely hated it The browser sucked, the apps sucked, the swoopy animations sucked. I eventually traded it for some craptastic Galaxy S based phone that while it sucked too, was a helluva lot better than what I had.

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    36. Re:Time for the Paid Shills to Earn Their Keep! by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      I owned one. A dirt cheap Nokia 820. I bought my elderly mom a Nokia 640 for Christmas. :-)

      I LOVED the OS. For a cheap phone with 1 gig of ram it was very quick. Never froze. Had the best UI. Outlook worked well. The tiles were big and animated to keep me up to date until, I switched to Kitkat a few years later, etc. The big tiles and ease of use is why I bought one for my Mother. BIg easy things to read and it was cheap and ran well on low end hardware.

      I own an Android now because I dropped it and saw the writting on the wall with the future of the platform. I do not want Windows 10 mobile as it is very buggy and many features were removed like zune music. It will be a year or two before it was stable. Windows phone 8 and 8.1 were very stable in comparison.

      I like competition and wished it had 20% of the market so we can have more apps and innovate the mobile ecosystems. We will see

    37. Re:Time for the Paid Shills to Earn Their Keep! by Khyber · · Score: 1

      This problem repeated itself in Texas. Another one of my contractors was using a Windows Phone. He could not even see my client's wireless AP. He could see the neighbor's though. My shitty ZTE Score M500 saw the access point, the neighbor's, and the person across the lake.

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    38. Re:Time for the Paid Shills to Earn Their Keep! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just got my 950XL and paired it with a Kangaroo Pro 4GB RAM, 64GB SSD, running x64 apps over Continuum.
          iphones are for girls! Android is for boomers!

    39. Re:Time for the Paid Shills to Earn Their Keep! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I see, it doesn't seem bad. Services/companies do like to advertise their apps (which is a natural thing to do if they made and published them) so there's some perception of missing out. Funnily I suspect many non technical users will only use the browser anyway. Browser can even get location, use microphone etc., that stuff is not so old.

    40. Re:Time for the Paid Shills to Earn Their Keep! by RockDoctor · · Score: 1
      By the Seven Meaty Balls of the Flying Spaghetti Monster (Sauce Be Upon Them), does no one here know how to speak even rudimentary French?

      that picked my curiosity

      It's "piqued my interest", from the verb "piquer" meaning "to prick" or "to sting."

      And the previous thread had some fool confusing "cache" (an Anglicised term from French meaning a storage area) with "cach-ê-t" (still a French word for "the state of being respected or admired; prestige").

      I mean, it's not too much to fucking ask. Just pay fucking attention in school, then fucking well remember it. Simples?

      Mutter, grouch. Partez-vous de l'herbe!

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    41. Re: Time for the Paid Shills to Earn Their Keep! by movdqa · · Score: 1

      My bank is Digital Credit Union. They have apps for iOS and Android. They are not terribly big nor do they have many branch offices but I really like being able to do deposits and transfers on my iPhone.

    42. Re: Time for the Paid Shills to Earn Their Keep! by movdqa · · Score: 1

      Xfinity WiFi App. WP users have been asking Comcast for one since 2010.

    43. Re: Time for the Paid Shills to Earn Their Keep! by movdqa · · Score: 1

      Discover Card Mobile App. Just iOS and Android.

    44. Re: Time for the Paid Shills to Earn Their Keep! by movdqa · · Score: 1

      TurboTax.

    45. Re:Time for the Paid Shills to Earn Their Keep! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Windows phone works great. It just doesn't have most apps because of insufficient marketshare... so no Snapchat, Instagram, Whatsapp, etc.

      I really do like the Windows phone but I also don't care about not having Snapchat and Instagram. I use my phone for phone calls, maps, and web searches all of which work great. The only non-native app that I use is Spotify which is available on Windows phone.

      If Microsoft wants to expand their marketshare in the long term they need to get serious about subsidizing app development in the short term.

    46. Re:Time for the Paid Shills to Earn Their Keep! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I used to do C, C++ and Java, and C# is a very nice language (LINQ is one key advantage). My hope is that it goes more cross-platform with ASP.Core and Mono, and that Microsoft doesn't reactively try to lock it down again.

  4. Harder?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    How would they do it?! It already installs itself on any >win6 box if you miss a mandatory "nooooooooooo, fuck off"-click every hour!

  5. Subscribe to software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I'll never subscribe to any piece of software. Ever.

    1. Re: Subscribe to software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sjw

  6. Harder? by enriquevagu · · Score: 2

    Seriously... Harder?

    1. Re:Harder? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Its probably possible, but it will piss people off even more (if thats possible) than M$ tricking people and trying to force win10 installs like it does now. The harder people get pushed, the more they will get pissed and push back!

      A friend and his wife just converted completely to Linux Mint. Wiped out Win7 entirely because of the escalating attempts by M$ to force win10 on them. Both my friend and I would have sworn his wife would never convert (he was dual booting for the last few years). Both totally windows free for a month or so, and not looking back! M$ is cutting their own throat, especially when the subscription fees kick in!

  7. How the hell can MS push Win10 HARDER? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I doubt Microsoft can push Windows 10 any harder than they have.

    But I'm afraid to find out that I'm wrong.

    1. Re:How the hell can MS push Win10 HARDER? by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Free download for Vista and XP users.

      So far they've only targeted Win 7 and 8 machines.

    2. Re:How the hell can MS push Win10 HARDER? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Quite frankly, why not? And on mobile, though it's great to have an OS with all your stuff built-in and bundled, why not push harder on iOS and Android versions of their products and services?
      I still think an x86 mobile ecosystem with fast enough performance when hooked up to the usual PC peripherals would be awesome, but MS rather dabble in half-steps or the complete opposite, so I gave up on any hope that W10('s mistakes) would steer them in that direction.

    3. Re:How the hell can MS push Win10 HARDER? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Microsoft is strategically reorganizing the company to better reflect the changing American demographics. They are changing their name to MacroHard to better please homosexuals. They WILL BE pushing longer, harder and faster to make you cum to their side. 10 wants your patronage (and penis) and will work harder and longer than any other operating system for it.

      All will be assimilated. Peace, Love and Sperm! 3am, don't know where your kids are. Ask Cortana. She will be able to locate them.

    4. Re:How the hell can MS push Win10 HARDER? by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 1

      I'm still waiting for that to happen. I'm not going to pay CAD$149.00 for the OS of a gaming PC.

    5. Re:How the hell can MS push Win10 HARDER? by localman · · Score: 1

      Well the simple path would be to make it totally free for all users like Apple does.

      And then stop making it worse every version (which Apple also sadly does).

    6. Re:How the hell can MS push Win10 HARDER? by HatofPig · · Score: 1
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  8. Related links by SeriousTube · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    In related links at the bottom of the page is a story "10 killed at Umpqua Community College" from October. Related how? Did they use Windows phones?

    1. Re:Related links by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Probably a general association by high levels of evil.

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  9. Shill assurance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am eagerly looking forward to reading about how amazing the Windows phone is and how everyone should own one. Every time there is a Windows phone article there end up being more positive comments about the windows phone than there are real life window phone users.

    Windows Phones ARE awesome! They even come with an undocumented Terahertz scanner that takes pictures of you naked through your clothing and automatically uploads them to Microsoft for safe keeping, Windows 10 after all. Cortana will even analyze your nude pics and adjust her attitude towards you based on her opinion of them. And if you then DON'T Shill for the MS Phone you are at risk for your nude pics "anonymously" getting uploaded to various public sites, along with reviews of them.

  10. I know no one ever RTFA... by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 1

    But here's the LINK

    1. Re:I know no one ever RTFA... by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 1

      (ok, it's in the header. expected to see it in the summary)

  11. Why not just kill the abomination? by ttyX · · Score: 0

    Kill it with fire!

  12. Why do they need "a viable smartphone"? by wvmarle · · Score: 1

    Microsoft may feel compelled to push harder on Windows 10 adoption and paid services to prove it can survive without a viable smartphone.

    Which makes me wonder: why did MS think it needs a viable smartphone (smartphone OS?) just to survive, and why do other people think this as well forcing MS to prove the opposite?

    Maybe they should have a good look at OS-X, Mint and Ubuntu, get some good ideas on how to design a proper modern OS (ssh out of the box would be awesome, both command prompt and a way to easily connect to sftp servers which only Windows fails at nowadays), and make Windows desirable again. They for sure have the money and manpower available to pull that off. No need for their own smart phone. It may even work well on tablets. Just make sure it can connect again with the rest of the world!

    1. Re:Why do they need "a viable smartphone"? by wicka_wicka · · Score: 1

      (ssh out of the box would be awesome, both command prompt and a way to easily connect to sftp servers which only Windows fails at nowadays)

      This is what YOU want. This is not what the market wants. Don't be so naive that you fail to understand the difference between the two. Anyone who tells me Windows needs to take cues from Ubuntu in order to develop a "desirable" OS is awfully close to being too far gone. Last time I checked, Ubuntu wasn't desired in great numbers.

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    2. Re:Why do they need "a viable smartphone"? by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      I hear people all the time complain about not being able to connect to sftp servers from their phones. I once saw some teenager freak out because she wasn't able to sftp! Mass hysteria ensued that day and many lives were lost.

    3. Re:Why do they need "a viable smartphone"? by wvmarle · · Score: 1

      at least Ubuntu has a stable fan base. Haven't seen anything like it for Windows in many many years.

    4. Re:Why do they need "a viable smartphone"? by kuzb · · Score: 1

      It doesn't, which is why I think this article is useless PCworld crap trying to gain clicks through sensationalism. Nadella has already stated that they're probably going to axe the mobile division.

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    5. Re:Why do they need "a viable smartphone"? by wicka_wicka · · Score: 1

      Utterly meaningless. Windows' install base utterly dwarfs Ubuntu, and there's no indication of that ever changing.

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    6. Re:Why do they need "a viable smartphone"? by DogDude · · Score: 1

      at least Ubuntu has a stable fan base. Haven't seen anything like it for Windows in many many years.

      You should get out of your basement more often. Windows runs 97% of the PC's on planet Earth.

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    7. Re:Why do they need "a viable smartphone"? by wvmarle · · Score: 1

      Largely because PCs come with Windows pre-installed. Using it on this laptop as well. Works good enough for what I do with it most of the time (surfing, reading mail), but it still sucks - first time in a very long time that I had a driver issue was on this Windows system! Pretty hard to trouble shoot and fix as it was the WiFi driver knocking me completely off-line... It just doesn't suck bad enough to reinstall.

    8. Re:Why do they need "a viable smartphone"? by wvmarle · · Score: 1

      fan base != installed base

    9. Re:Why do they need "a viable smartphone"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You should get out of your basement more often. Windows runs 97% of the PC's in my basement.

      FTFY. No extra charge.

    10. Re:Why do they need "a viable smartphone"? by wicka_wicka · · Score: 1

      There are a quite a lot of people who have tried Ubuntu, and other Linux flavors, and simply think it's worse than Windows. And there are many others who have no desire to try Linux because they've never had any problems with Windows. Don't pretend they don't exist just because it serves your point of view. You're gonna sit here and tell me you think Windows has more driver issues than Linux? Simply preposterous. Linux distros have plenty of advantages over Windows, you shouldn't need to lie.

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    11. Re:Why do they need "a viable smartphone"? by DogDude · · Score: 1

      And you think that out of the BILLIONS of users, that there's not a "fan base"? Really? That's statistically almost impossible.

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    12. Re:Why do they need "a viable smartphone"? by wvmarle · · Score: 1

      Admittedly I have a small sample size but my one and only driver issue over the past decade has been with Windows 10.

    13. Re:Why do they need "a viable smartphone"? by DogDude · · Score: 1

      Maybe they should have a good look at OS-X, Mint and Ubuntu, get some good ideas on how to design a proper modern OS (ssh out of the box would be awesome, both command prompt and a way to easily connect to sftp servers which only Windows fails at nowadays), and make Windows desirable again.

      Yeah, dude, that's what users want. Wow. You've really got your finger on the pulse of the people, huh?

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    14. Re:Why do they need "a viable smartphone"? by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Which makes me wonder: why did MS think it needs a viable smartphone (smartphone OS?) just to survive

      Apple had one so via cargo cult mentality MS had to have one to get success as well. The irony is they did it by getting hold of an already viable phone company and then removing everything that made it viable - destructive idiots.

    15. Re:Why do they need "a viable smartphone"? by wicka_wicka · · Score: 1

      They definitely do exist; many Linux evangelists like to pretend otherwise and dismiss them as astroturfers. But even if they didn't...so what? It's hard to measure desktop OS market share, but most of the estimates I've read indicate Windows is at 90% and all Linux distros combined make up 2%. What value is there in having a "fan base" when your install base is so tiny?

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    16. Re:Why do they need "a viable smartphone"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's easy for the drivers to not have issues when they don't exist. There is a bunch of hardware out there that only has Windows drivers.

    17. Re:Why do they need "a viable smartphone"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ubuntu are currently still putting all their effort into the same mobile-first crap that has totally failed at Microsoft.

    18. Re:Why do they need "a viable smartphone"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because, there is more money to be made there than you realize. Phones and tablets continue to erode PC screen time, and many users have a handheld and no PC. At this rate, Microsoft can't rely on Windows desktops forever.

      http://screenwerk.com/2014/01/...

      Also, those who have followed the patent crusade against Linux know that Microsoft makes more money from Android royalties than they do from Windows Phone; Microsoft views WP development as a necessary expense to continue riding on Android OEMs without being branded as a patent troll.

    19. Re:Why do they need "a viable smartphone"? by deragon · · Score: 1

      Given my bad experience with Ubuntu, I would not consider it a "proper modern" OS. Still, I stick with it because I am a fan of Linux and FOSS. I just wish that the Linux desktop experience would be on par with Mac and Windows. These days, it is far behind.

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    20. Re: Why do they need "a viable smartphone"? by Threni · · Score: 1

      Ubuntu is the most popular desktop distro. And it's not just the OP who wants SSH, which is why the other, popular (goodbye windows) OSes all support it.

    21. Re: Why do they need "a viable smartphone"? by wicka_wicka · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and it's nowhere close to as popular as Windows. It's not even relevant in that discussion. And again: stop being naive. I don't care that OP wants ssh, I don't care that there are others who want ssh; no one ever said otherwise. What I take issue with is the childish and obviously false assertion that ssh is the kind of feature Windows needs to be successful. That's utter nonsense, and you know it. 99% of the desktop OS market does not care about ssh in the slightest. Most users don't even know it's a thing that exists. Get over yourself. People like and OP are why Linux is guaranteed to never overcome Windows' popularity. You are wasting a great thing.

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  13. What? by Artem+S.+Tashkinov · · Score: 1

    As the company's mobile device strategy continues to disintegrate, Microsoft may feel compelled to push harder on Windows 10 adoption and paid services to prove it can survive without a viable smartphone.

    Microsoft throughout its history has never been profitable in regard to selling its own smartphones. To the contrary, its smartphone division has always been a money drain and it looks like they will stop bleeding soon by killing off Windows 10 Mobile. And since the number of smartphones running Windows 10 Mobile is about to become zero in the nearest future, I don't understand why Microsoft will have to push Windows 10 harder.

    1. Re:What? by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 1

      Windows Phone is suffering somewhat from the Osborne Effect. There have been rumours of a "surface phone" which may or may not materialise.

      In the meantime, they only have flagships in Lumia 950/XL that support *fully* Windows Phone 10 and few are buying because they're as costly as an iPhone and no one wants to pay that.

      If they do have a long term strategy they ought to be releasing low/medium models that run Continuum and bundled with a free Display Dock.

    2. Re:What? by ewhenn · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Windows 7 doesn't access the Windows Store. The Windows 7 install base is HUGE. They want those people off Windows 7 and on an OS that has their store built in. Windows 7 runs on almost 60% of general user PCs, this number includes Macs. https://www.netmarketshare.com... That's a shit ton of potential people buying from your store. Let's face it, most people running W7 won't pay to upgrade, but their logic will be "hey if it's free, why not?!?". There you go, more money extracted from what would otherwise be a zero revenue generating install.

      MS takes 30% of sales on their Windows store. MS wants everyone purchasing from their store so they get a 30% cut of every other company's programming work.

      How I interpret MS's a long term goal - it's likely that they want to at some point force you go through the "Windows Store" to buy programs, just like Apple does on their "App Store". Hey,if you can't ignore the forced update that makes this change, then too bad for you. Here's how I see it as a general outline:
      1. Develop New Windows OS that Data Mines (read new MS agreements @ https://edri.org/microsofts-ne... ), "cloud services", and more importantly includes the windows store and forced OS updates to add/remove features as they see fit. - Check

      2. Offer "Free" windows upgrades - Check
      3. Gain Installs / market penetration for new windows OS - In Progress
      4. Sell / Use mined data for marketing purposes - Check (See above)
      5. Leverage "cloud" services as a vendor lock in - Future
      6. Sell more "windows services" - Future
      7. Use forced Os updates to lock windows program installation down to their store just like Apple does on iOS - More Distant Future
      8. Utilize a 90%+ PC device install base to profit massively off the "windows store" ( http://www.windowscentral.com/... ) - More Distant Future

    3. Re:What? by ewhenn · · Score: 1

      Quick typo fix, that should have been windows 7 runs on about 50% of all general user PCs.

    4. Re:What? by Artem+S.+Tashkinov · · Score: 1

      That's all clear and understandable aside from the fact that I've heard that people are saying that UWP is a disaster for the desktop and you cannot write full-featured applications using this framework.

      So, again where does the money come from when most people will keep on buying plain old Win32 application directly from ISVs (because they want to work, not to play) or cheap games off the Windows store (which doesn't quite offset the fact that Windows 10 is given for free or otherwise at a substantially reduced price)?

    5. Re:What? by sootman · · Score: 3, Informative

      > it's likely that they want to at some point force you
      > go through the "Windows Store" to buy programs,
      > just like Apple does on their "App Store"

      Score: -1, Factually Incorrect. Apple does NOT "force" you to buy apps in their store. They encourage you to use the store, sure, and they'll pop up a warning the first time you try to run an app from somewhere else, but it's literally one click in System Preferences to say "run software from anywhere."

      http://cdn.osxdaily.com/wp-con...

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    6. Re:What? by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      it is a little more than just wanting a piece of the store apps. It is a lot more that the aging baby boomers who buy pcs are retiring and are old enough to hate change and never upgrade until it no longer works. The new entrants into the workforce are millennials who LOVE their apps, portable devices, mixing work and play, and want flat UI's and battery saving features so they can take their life with work and play on the go with apps that do everything.

      Where does this leave Windows? Where does this leave MS in general? You old kneckbeards can keep your 7 boxes as you do not want to pay them money or want new features while the oldest ones thinking of retirement are clining to XP. Yeah that won't work.

      I am typing this on a Surface Pro 3 with WIndows 10. I run Wireshark at work via an ethernet USB dongle for networking work. I do my typing on it in Outlook. I watch Netflix for fun on it while I travel or work. I read ebooks via a night. This thing is very thin and very light and decent battery life. It is the future.

      So yes the push to Windows 10 is to remain relevent and crusty old Windows 7 has TERRIBLE battery life. Dismal Skylake support. No USB 3 or thunderbolt type c, NVME either. Ask any pc user afraid of change how well their NVME SSDs are with a 3rd party driver for 7. It is unstable and terrible as 7 is not modular nor tuned to run as a phone/mobile at the kernel level.

      Seriously when you need a portable look at an ultra thing tablet convertible like the Lennovo or MS Surface pro tablets? They run Ubuntu too with a signed bootloader (yes you can turn secure boot off too) or run Ubuntu with a signed bootloader. I have the best of both worlds of a tablet, entertainment, and work device.

      That is why MS wants to move. Not just store revenue

    7. Re:What? by iampiti · · Score: 1

      Microsoft will surely go this route first: You won't be able to install applications from outside the Store without toggling some option.
      Later on, if adoption of the Store is high enough maybe they'll actually forbid installing from outside.
      Also, the intent of both Microsoft and Apple is obviously to force to go through their respective stores, it's just that the condtions are not favorable enough yet.
      It's so sad they're trying to take control away from users

  14. It's time to wake up: Microsoft has changed! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Well, I'm not obsessed with the 1990s-era hatred for Microsoft like some people here are. I also realize that the Microsoft today consists of many people who weren't there in the 1990s, and many of the people who were around in the 1990s no longer are. The name may be the same, but the people who make up the organization are markedly different. After all, the 1990s were around 20 years ago now! If there's one thing I've learned in my many years, it's that things change over time.

    I look at Microsoft's actions today, because those are what matter. I've seen them create what's perhaps the best general purpose programming language in C#. I've seen them create what's perhaps the best general purpose computing platform in .NET. They've open sourced both and are porting them to the other major platforms. They stumbled with Windows 8, but Windows 10 is getting them back on track. Edge is a superb browser that's much, much better than Firefox, and better than Chrome. Recently they announced that SQL Server, which is perhaps their best product of them all, is coming to Linux.

    It's time for you to grow up, and get with the times. You're two decades behind! Microsoft was the past, and after a brief rough patch we've seen them turn things around, and now Microsoft will be the future.

    1. Re:It's time to wake up: Microsoft has changed! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your check is in the mail.

    2. Re:It's time to wake up: Microsoft has changed! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      SQL Server is an absolute sack of shit.
      I wouldn't use it to persist even a shopping list.

    3. Re:It's time to wake up: Microsoft has changed! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Shill some more dipshit.

      The people at Microsoft has changed, but Microsoft has not. You simply do not change the culture in a company by changing the people who work for it over time.

      There have been examples of companies with such a toxic culture it was easier to shut them down than change it, and that's among those who have tied. Microsoft has not. They are still serving the same old soup, they just partially use new ingredients.

      Did you take some Nadella dick in the ass right now, or is it going to be tonight?

    4. Re: It's time to wake up: Microsoft has changed! by gerf · · Score: 1

      This was proven in an experiment involving monkeys, bananas, a ladder, and electrocution.

    5. Re:It's time to wake up: Microsoft has changed! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > the best general purpose computing platform in .NET.

      Actually it is several platforms. There is little backwards compatibility so several versions get installed. That makes it not the best.

      > They've open sourced both and are porting them to the other major platforms.

      They have open-sourced and ported _SOME_ of the .NET. Anyone relying on that will get burned. It is bait and switch.

    6. Re:It's time to wake up: Microsoft has changed! by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Just to help you along. The reason why M$ losephone (can't call it a win phone that would be lying), is now doing so badly is because of Windows anal probe 10 and it is putting everyone off. The core basic idea that M$ is watching you masturbate is really affecting their sales (don't think so, well, just turn on windows 10 and as you are turning on, just remember M$ is watching and recording every site you visit, every link you click and every file your computer downloads from the internet and then processes and can figure out when you will climax before you can even realise it, being distracted and all ;)). So people are becoming more privacy conscious and because of windows anal probe 10 on their desktop and or their notebook (not really theirs, M$ owns, they can shut it down when ever they want for what ever reason they want and claim ownership and rights of access over it's entire contents), they are looking elsewhere for some privacy in their life.

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  15. Got a call yesterday: Win 10 installed itself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They swear they didn't click on anything to start the "upgrade". It started on its own. Luckily there's still a point where you can reject the EULA, and then it reverts the installation, and this actually worked, so in the end it only cost a couple of hours and a concerned call to the local nerd. But seriously, how much harder can Microsoft push that ...thing.

    1. Re:Got a call yesterday: Win 10 installed itself by tom229 · · Score: 1

      What's your problem? You can just uninstall and blacklist these two updates. They're in a large list referenced by 10 digit kb numbers, shouldn't take you more than an hour to find. Then Microsoft will release more updates, I think the count is up to about 7 now, but you can just disable them all the same way. Oh, also they've simply downloaded Win 10 install files onto your computer already, but don't worry you can track all the files down and manually remove them. If it's too late and Win 10 already got in you might be worried about the innocent data collection? That's ok there's like 5 registry keys you can disable that probably shuts it all off. See, it's easy.

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    2. Re:Got a call yesterday: Win 10 installed itself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah right. I have done all that. I resorted to shutting off all updates. The wild virus and malware is less scary than Microsoft's virus and malware.

    3. Re:Got a call yesterday: Win 10 installed itself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't get it either. Windows 7 and 8 come with this fun game where a rogue agent pretending to be Microsoft is trying to replace the OS that you bought, and you have to look on the Internet for clues on how to prevent it. What's not to like?

  16. Windows becomes SaaS? by QuietLagoon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...CEO Satya Nadella's strategy is simple enough: grow Microsoft's revenues by convincing customers to adopt its paid subscription services....

    Microsoft has already stated that they intend to make Windows 10 a service.

    .
    Now Microsoft is saying that they want to move away from the "buy once" revenue model.

    So how long before there is a monthly fee to use Windows?

    Perhaps the enormous data harvesting is only the first of many egregious aspects of Windows 10.

    1. Re:Windows becomes SaaS? by kuzb · · Score: 0

      Never. This is not only old news, it's been covered in depth that the operating system will not become something you have to pay each year for. Get out from under your rock and read the news once in a while.

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    2. Re:Windows becomes SaaS? by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1

      Never. This is not only old news, it's been covered in depth that the operating system will not become something you have to pay each year for....

      All Microsoft has stated was that there are no current plans to make Windows a pay-for SaaS.

      .
      Those plans can change tomorrow, and their prior statements would still have been correct.

      btw, Microsoft also stated that Windows 7 would be supported through 2020, but that has changed now, hasn't it?

      .

      Get out from under your rock and read the news once in a while.

      Perhaps you should take your own advice. :)

    3. Re:Windows becomes SaaS? by Khyber · · Score: 1

      " Get out from under your rock and read the news once in a while."

      Try using your brain and logic, and realize Microsoft has QUITE OFTEN said one thing AND DONE THE EXACT OPPOSITE.

      Those who fail to learn from history are condemned to get bit in the ass again by it.

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    4. Re:Windows becomes SaaS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The most I'd ever see MS start charging for is for cloud backup or something. It would make no sense to charge a subscription for the base OS - that's the loss leader to get people on the Windows Store and spending money in it.

    5. Re:Windows becomes SaaS? by guruevi · · Score: 2

      You must not work for any corporation then. Microsoft licensing the OS (and other software) on a yearly, renewing basis has been around for over a decade. They do want this for the consumer as well and have so far done it with Office and e-mail. They want to go on a subscription basis, only then they'd lose either to piracy or Linux.

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    6. Re:Windows becomes SaaS? by kuzb · · Score: 1

      Obviously we're talking about home licensing. It's like you're intentionally being dense.

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    7. Re:Windows becomes SaaS? by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      You must not work for any corporation then. Microsoft licensing the OS (and other software) on a yearly, renewing basis has been around for over a decade. They do want this for the consumer as well and have so far done it with Office and e-mail. They want to go on a subscription basis, only then they'd lose either to piracy or Linux.

      No they won't! You are kidding me? The last thing MS wants it another XP which is what 7 is right now. A fragmented user base is a nightmare for support and developers alike. Apple and Google have free upgrades for a good reason. What MS wants is to offer services from WIndows. Hey want a 1 TB of Onedrive storage? Go subscribe to 365 etc.

      Also not to sound like a shill but I do use office 365 as I get 5 free versions of Office professional and get free bonuses like extra charts and BI in Excel and extra darker and black themes updated every month that you and other do not have access too as a subscriber. It is more like World of Warcraft. Sure you can play for free but you get some goodies thrown in.

      My exwife, gf, and 2 of my computers all have Office 2016 updated regularly for $99 a year and I get mobile versions and 1 TB of shared cloud Onedrive access for all parties. Not too shabby unlike the ripoff of Adobe.

      MS has no intention of losing to the competition and yes locking ones computer with a payment screen would cause people to freak and open to lawsuits as that would be akin to ransomware really

    8. Re:Windows becomes SaaS? by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1

      Obviously we're talking about home licensing....

      I was speaking mainly about consumer licensing, which could also be called home licensing.

      .
      So, now, what did I say that was so wrong?

      Did or did not Microsoft say that Windows 7 would be supported until 2020? And did or did not Microsoft recently renege on that and say that Windows 7 now won't be fully supported through 2020? (hint: Skylake)

      .

      It's like you're intentionally being dense.

      Perhaps I am not the one who is dense here. Perhaps it is you who should really read up upon what Microsoft has been stating and promising regarding Windows 7 support.

  17. One might almost say: by queazocotal · · Score: 0

    “There is a pertinent story about a man who was working on an oil platform in the North Sea. He woke up one night from a loud explosion, which suddenly set his entire oil platform on fire. In mere moments, he was surrounded by flames. Through the smoke and heat, he barely made his way out of the chaos to the platform’s edge. When he looked down over the edge, all he could see were the dark, cold, foreboding Atlantic waters.

    As the fire approached him, the man had mere seconds to react. He could stand on the platform, and inevitably be consumed by the burning flames. Or, he could plunge 30 meters in to the freezing waters. The man was standing upon a “burning platform,” and he needed to make a choice.

    1. Re: One might almost say: by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 1

      So I assume there's a happy ending where Nadella is badly burned and THEN falls to his death, right?

    2. Re:One might almost say: by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1

      How can we dance when our earth is turning

      How do we sleep while our beds are burning

      How can we dance when our earth is turning

      How do we sleep while our beds are burning

    3. Re:One might almost say: by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1

      h.t. Midnight Oil.

  18. Don't want it for "free", some may pay monthly? by raymorris · · Score: 3, Interesting

    In Microsoft's heyday, people would anxiously await the opportunity to pay $120 to upgrade to the new version. New bells, whistles, and blue screens.

    Now many people are trying hard to avoid Microsoft's "upgrade" to Windows 10. More and more people go through the trouble of removing the Windows install that came with their computer, to replace it with a less troublesome OS. They want to get rid of Windows.

    Microsoft's last-ditch solution is to try to get their few remaining hostages and fanboys to not only pay for MS software, but to keep paying again and again every month. I feel for anyone who's either stuck in a position where they have to keep paying every month for software most people don't even want for free, or who simply doesn't know any better, they're probably still paying $25/month for AOL too.

    1. Re:Don't want it for "free", some may pay monthly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On the desktop, the real threat to Microsoft isn't windows adoption, but the lack of Office users. Google docs, libreoffice, openoffice and the like are killing them.

      If Microsoft really cared, they wouldn't just be embracing linux but also catching up on various products. Take IIS for example. Compared to nginx and apache, it's a dinosaur. It performs badly, is terrible to manage, has no easy proxy support in a world of node apps and has to restart .net apps all the time to deal with memory leaks. SQL server is coming for linux, but only with a subset of features. This means they're still years behind Oracle and even DB2.

      At one point, I had wanted to get into windows phone development. I have some .NET experience and thought it would be the easiest platform to shift into. Then they kept breaking backward compatibility with each OS version and starting over again. Why would I invest time in windows phone apps that will only work for a week and work for less than 1% of the phone users out there? I might as well target Android so a lot of people can use my app internationally.

      Microsoft should go back to their roots and make good software for other platforms. It's their only play. Make games. Make business apps. Don't waste money on windows phone, just kill it already. In fact, if they did kill it maybe they could actually partner with apple on some projects. Mac users can afford licenses.

    2. Re:Don't want it for "free", some may pay monthly? by umafuckit · · Score: 1

      Microsoft's last-ditch solution is to try to get their few remaining hostages and fanboys to not only pay for MS software, but to keep paying again and again every month.

      I don't like Windows, but who are these few remaining hostages and fanboys you speak of? Would they be the The >90% of users on Windows machines?

    3. Re:Don't want it for "free", some may pay monthly? by tom229 · · Score: 1

      An utterly moronic strategy. Move everything to mobile interfaces, the cloud, and a subscription model before you even have any product, application, or consumer support to do so. What could go wrong? Sounds like an MBA making decisions if I've ever seen it. I guess you only have to read my sig to know how I feel about this.

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    4. Re:Don't want it for "free", some may pay monthly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ever since XP, people have thought "why do I need another version of Windows? XP is fine." And, except for Windows 7, they've been right. Vista was crap, 8 a massive step backwards for desktops and traditional laptops, and 10 mostly just (incompletely) fixes 8 while adding a load of monitoring and taking control away from the user.

  19. It's called pushing on a string by JoeyRox · · Score: 1

    And Microsoft's effort to push people to Windows 10 will be just as successful.

    1. Re:It's called pushing on a string by kuzb · · Score: 1

      Considering they have 200 million installations and growing it's been very successful.

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    2. Re:It's called pushing on a string by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lol, if they were so "successful", they'd hardly have to resort to all kinds of shenanigans to actually trick you into "upgrading"... ("upgrade now or tonight?") and now they supposedly are going to be even more aggressive.

      That's not how someone with an attractive product gets customers. It reeks of desperation.

    3. Re:It's called pushing on a string by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1

      ...it's been very successful....

      How much revenue have all those copies contributed to Microsoft's earnings?

    4. Re:It's called pushing on a string by dbIII · · Score: 1

      I have a feeling that from revenue gained by selling results of data mining associated with win10 that it's going to be a lot more than we would like from selling some information we'd prefer not to be sold.

    5. Re: It's called pushing on a string by Threni · · Score: 1

      What information? If you use Firefox, Google apps/Gmail or other non Microsoft apps, what information are Microsoft going to obtain exactly?

    6. Re:It's called pushing on a string by JoeyRox · · Score: 1

      How many of those were involuntary though?

    7. Re: It's called pushing on a string by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      I wasn't aware that Firefox contained its own drivers for talking directly to the network hardware without going through any code from the OS.

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    8. Re:It's called pushing on a string by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and my 'string' broke a long time ago.
      I'm proud to say that I'm now a Microsoft free zone and there in no way this side of Armageddon that I'm going back.
      Nothing that Redmond produces is of any interest to me and the thought of paying montly to access my documents and use their shoddy OS on my computer is a million steps too far.

    9. Re:It's called pushing on a string by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Considering they projected a billion installations by this point, not so much.

    10. Re: It's called pushing on a string by Threni · · Score: 1

      I'd imagine that step occurs after the information is encrypted.

  20. Dang by grimfate · · Score: 1

    While I could never recommend a Windows phone to anyone over its lack of apps, I am perfectly content with my Windows phone. I just mainly prefer Live Tiles to a grid of icons. I wonder, if all else fails, if they could create an Android-based phone, replacing the UI with their Modern UI and including Microsoft services on the device; then they would have their own unique phones that could leverage Android's library of apps. But I guess if they didn't have their own mobile store to generate money from, it'd probably just be better to pay other phone makers to put its apps and services on their phones.

  21. MS you're failing - why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ever since you messed w/ the hosts file (when I confronted your senior mgt. here who ADMITTED I am right http://slashdot.org/comments.p... on your alterations to even Win7's hosts file disallowing the smaller/faster/more efficient 0 block address (which was added in 2000's SP#2 iirc, vs. the larger/slower ones in 0.0.0.0 (not as bad as ->) 127.0.0.1, & worse in VISTA onwards (since you're trying to be an advertiser like Google which Ballmer stated he wanted)).

    So, why "F" w/ hosts? Simple - they can't be 'souled-out' bought up to advertisrs & work better than any addon ever will.

    * Your forced installations of Win10 are just ruining you even more - don't you get it? You CANNOT sell people what they DO NOT WANT - wtf is wrong w/ your marketers - that's a BASIC TENET of sales!

    APK

    P.S.=> Don't wonder WHY you can't even GIVE IT AWAY & Vista + 8.x are "fails" too... see above! apk

    1. Re:MS you're failing - why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh Fucking Please, Whipslash: I thought you told us, "APK's days are numbered"?

    2. Re:MS you're failing - why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He failed. Webmasters like whipslash fear apk's program yet he allows JustAnotherOldGuy, AmicusNYCL or Coren22 to post about adblock (apk's detractors in webmasters/advertiser cronies downmodding his posts). They can't prove apk wrong when apk proves hosts' superiority. JustAnotherOldGuy literally stated he doesn't mind adblock users. Of course not. He does Google ads which adblock is crippled by default to not stop ads. Think whipslash isn't the same? Googlesyndication/gstatic servers are in use on /. and hosts do block them from stealing your speed or possibly infecting you. It proves that much too. It's very obvious. Their favorite color is transparent and I can see right through them. So can anyone else by their petty 1 sided actions. Truth's like apk posts on hosts can't be stopped

  22. Windows is dead. Microsoft is dying. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm glad I sold my shares some time ago.

  23. Windows becomes Spyware. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Windows becomes Spyware.

  24. How Microsoft can win the users! by burni2 · · Score: 2

    1.) radically change window 10
    a.) make cloud/spy "features" optional and opt-in
    b.) make the XP & 7 GUI availible (the GUI is not the fucking OS)

    2.) offer WinXP & Vista Keys an Upgrade

    3.) don't force users by circumventing the window update blocklist by changing the "update date" on the installer.

    The children will come!

    1. Re:How Microsoft can win the users! by QuietLagoon · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'd be happy with (1a) alone, with (1b) a nice addition.

    2. Re:How Microsoft can win the users! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Microsoft has historically been built on inertia (we always ran Windows, why change). Make a setting on Windows that sets everything to look and work just like the older version, so they don't need to learn anything new, and you'd keep most of the market for free.

    3. Re:How Microsoft can win the users! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Recall Windows 10, and start working on win-8 drivers. When that is completed, THEN start working on windows 10, and not release it until all win-7 and win-10 drivers are tested successfully, including all copy protection drivers used by commercial software.
      .
      And put the telemetry where the sub doesn't shine.
      If you don't like paying Bitcoins each time your company files end up encripted, and really need to use Windows, there is only one way to do so safely: Our new firewall rules are ZERO open ports for Windows machines to and from the internet, because windows software just uses any port that happens to be open. Yes that means activating all Microsoft shit using phone activation, and you will not get updates, for any software. and yes, you browser will run on a virtual PC on the Linux servers, and you only get a screen-cast of the browser. Any downloaded files are placed in quarantine on the server. E-mails are re-generated into text-only. use the screen-cast to see the html-version, and any attachments are put in quarantine on the server.

    4. Re:How Microsoft can win the users! by iampiti · · Score: 1

      You're being a bit naive.
      What you propose would be going against the direction they're pushing so hard towards. And those things you hate (I hate them too) are conscious decisions. They're not going to revert their course without a huge reason, and that's not likely to happen since most "real word joes" just don't care.
      I'd like as much as you that they returned to something like Windows 7 but that's sadly just not going to happen.

  25. Satya Nadella's time is up. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is interesting. I think "What does Satya Nadella bring to the table in order to refresh the company's device strategy?"

    What indeed.

    How many times have we heard this before: "Microsoft may feel compelled to push harder on Windows 10 adoption"

    Just replace "10" with 8, or 7 or XP, whatever older version was current then. It's the same story. Save the company by selling more Windows.

    Satya is not a hardware man. He's a services guy. He's about as cool as your grandmother knitting tea cozies.

    In order to sell more hardware, in order to even design new exciting hardware, you gotta make it cool. It has to be so fucking interesting, exciting, powerful, attractive that people will riot in the streets for their own device. Or, at the very least wrap around the block waiting to buy one.

    As far as I know, no one is lining up to buy Microsoft hardware, windows or anything else they make.

    Solution: Replace Satya with someone who is cool. With someone who wants to make cool hardware and software. With someone who isn't afraid. Satya is afraid of upsetting the board and investors. He's a mere caretaker, a place holder, a fill in.

    I remember the day he was appointed CEO. There in Studio C was standing Satya, Balmer, Gates and some other stuffed shirts. I remember the look on Bill's face. It wasn't a good look.It was the look of "What the fuck did we just do?"

    Don't worry Satya, you'll be OK. Just "have faith and use good karma". Right? Yea,that's working wonders.

    1. Re:Satya Nadella's time is up. by tom229 · · Score: 1

      Wrong. What you're taking about is what every tech company has been trying to do for almost a decade. Even if being "cool" wasn't arbitrary and near impossible to secure, that area of the market has already been defined and saturated. Microsoft's entire problem is they are scrambling for the crumbs of the consumer pie, not that they just aren't just doing it right.

      There is a big area of the industry no one is paying attention to: the enterprise. It was determined long ago that the consumer was the new frontier because that market is now larger, but this is a typical short sighted business-guy approach. Apple and Google have the consumer, let it go. Stop developing Microsoft office for OSX, whoever's idea that was should be fired. MS office, and corporate directory integration with exchange, group policy, etc is their last fortress. Give me a phone that focuses on business applications with a high level of automated deployment and security using my other Microsoft tools, and I'll buy thousands of them tomorrow. Give me a worse implementation of the exact same consumer phone everyone else has and I'm not sure why you'd expect me to care.

      The current state of things is exactly what Steve Jobs wisely exploited in 2007: an industry that is sleeping. The tech industry is sleeping on the massive potential that is a mobile platform designed for the enterprise. The next company to figure this out and do it well will be the next big thing.

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    2. Re:Satya Nadella's time is up. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bullshit.

      Dragging out the same excuse that selling more Windows is the solution is the SAME tired excuse the company has used for more than 10 years,. They have always been about "Windows first". And, even years after Steve left and the lazy clumsy foot sipped off the pedal of "Windows first, last and always", there are still too many pockets of the company thinking that if they just shift from Windows to enterprise is the smart move. When there wasn't a huge market for end-user mobile applications and devices this was a suitable response. Then, the frontier was the desktop. So, Windows was the right play then. It isn't anymore.

      When the company computes that the solution is more penetration of Windows it's obvious they don't seem to get it.

        I don't know what planet you live on but "cool products" and "enterprise" don't belong in the same strategy. The credit cards don't whip out at the sound of Analytics, or BI, Cloud, or Enterprise. The cash registers sing when there's a blob of plastic in the hand that you envy. What is going on at Microsoft is a large scale, slow motion disaster. So much investment in the back-end, the enterprise, the "cloud".

      The platitudes from Satya about empowering, facilitating, enabling, is all a smokescreen. It's meant to distract investors and his own board that through this fog of war with Apple, Google, Amazon, etc.. that somehow Microsoft comes out on top if only they can Sell More Windows is just evidence of their demented thinking.

      I wasn't being sarcastic about Bill. The guy looked like he swallowed a grapefruit whole when Satya started talking after being newly appointed head of the company. The look on his face told all. And, sadly I'm not surprised about what has happened since.

    3. Re:Satya Nadella's time is up. by tom229 · · Score: 1

      Almost none of what you said addressed any of my points or even made a lot of sense. It was a nice rant though. Wait, anonymous coward... Balmer, is that you?

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    4. Re:Satya Nadella's time is up. by guruevi · · Score: 1

      Apple and even Google are replacing enterprise applications very quickly. In higher education almost nobody buys new Windows machines, the current ratio is something like 80/20. The 'new' enterprises (startups) are all running OS X and Linux. The old enterprises are still running some Windows for Exchange and legacy apps but anything new (since cloud and embedded is all the rage) is also running mainly Linux and thus slowly Microsoft is getting replaced and becoming another IBM.

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    5. Re:Satya Nadella's time is up. by tom229 · · Score: 1

      An unfortunate trend. Not away from Microsoft, but away from internal infrastructure. I think you'll find this type of thinking is cyclical. You outsource (which is all the cloud is) discover the problems associated, insource, discover problems, get amnesia, outsource, etc. The cloud is a trend. If you invest too much into it you'll be sorry when the ideology reverses course. Regardless, what Microsoft is, is a software company. The location of the machine running the software is a minor detail. The major detail (What I'm taking about) is how the software is designed. Business favors highly scalable, automated, stable, secure, low overhead, long support cycles, etc. These are all problems for consumer grade products because consumers prioritize differently (think fashion and status). I maintain there's still a massive opportunity for an evolved platform that prioritizes enterprise concerns rather than those of the consumer. Microsoft et al. are missing a big opportunity by not seeing the forest for the trees.

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    6. Re:Satya Nadella's time is up. by guruevi · · Score: 1

      Business favors highly scalable, automated, stable, secure, low overhead, long support cycles, etc
      So Linux then?
      Windows has had it's course. It's a decent operating system for a single system where the operator/administrator doesn't know too much about computers. You could even run a directory service entirely through the GUI. However, it's not very scalable (look at Exchange and SQL Server), it is very difficult to automate (until very recently there was no SSH-like common terminal), it has a reputation of not being stable and requires reboot every time you look at it wrong, security has improved but still not on par with Linux, all that adds up to high overhead and although Microsoft does support it's products averagely long, licensing agreements make upgrading a necessity (eg. if you run an Azure or O365 integration, you can't just stay on Exchange 2003 or Server 2012)

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    7. Re:Satya Nadella's time is up. by tom229 · · Score: 1

      So Linux then?

      A great choice. What Linux has lacked in the past is certainly automation and, as you pointed out, ease of administration. Microsoft spent a lot of money and time making their products highly powerful and automated with minimal training required for administration. As you also noted, Linux is a much stronger, more stable and scalable platform. So what Linux lacks, seems to be Microsoft's strengths and vice versa. A company like the Microsoft of the 90s, with a primary focus on the enterprise, and the foresight to recognise the current and long term benefits of an open source platform could certainly do very well; in my opinion. A company clamoring for the crumbs of the consumer pie, trying to climb up from single digit market share is doomed to fail.

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  26. Re:Fixed that for you by gtall · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Apple's core customer base is interested in fashion accessories and status symbols". Not really, I work in science and we're filthy with Macs and iPhone and iPads, this is not status conscious community. They use the devices because they need to get work done. I recall one fellow finally making the switch from Winders to Mac, his comment to me was, "I feel like I own my computer again". I'm not entirely sure what MS is doing to their clientele, but that sentiment seems rife among scientists.

  27. Wait what by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 0

    Microsoft makes phones? lol since when?

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    1. Re:Wait what by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      No they make Windows Phone, which is a family of OS for phones, going on 16 years now. Right now they have 1.6% market share in the world. rather pathetic

  28. Unlike /. moderation... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Karma in real life really gets you.

    They could have the cheap borken product strategy -- no problem. The minute they started to see competitors as enemies to kill -- that's when things went sour.

    Alas this is valid elsewhere in many industries: you can't share, you can't live.

  29. Re:Fixed that for you by tom229 · · Score: 0

    You feel like you own your computer again with a Mac? Ironic. Perhaps you should read the EULA. I'm not sure what you're implying by invoking your career, but being a "scientist" doesn't make you immune from making bad emotional decisions. An Apple computer is a pretty bad objective decision when it comes to price, functionality, model choices, etc. Interesting that you and your colleagues primary consideration is "we just like it better" while simultaneously trying to defend against my claim that Apple computers are fashion accessories and emotional decisions.

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  30. Should I be Happy?: I Can't Upgrade Win 7 by Streetlight · · Score: 1

    I have a Dell laptop (XPS 15 L502x) that Dell says I shouldn't update to Win 10 from Win 7 Sp 1. Furthermore, I have never seen any of the nagging popups or other notices from Microsoft encouraging an update even though I manually install 2nd Tuesday updates. Looking around the web I find folks who have upgraded this model have a variety of problems as various hardware features no longer work with Win 10. The problem seems to to be that Dell has deigned not to provide critical hardware drivers and I've also seen that there's some glitch with the version of Intel's processors used in these machines. Some posts here suggest that Microsoft should also extend the free update to Win 10 to users of Win XP. The situation with the machines using those OSs may be similar to mine: they're likely using processors that won't work well with Win 10.

    I'm not sure what my options will be in four years when Win 7 will not have security updates. This laptop is built like a tank, is my daily driver and shows no sign of hardware failure. I'm wondering when MS will decide some or all today's sold computers cannot be updated to future security patches. Will MS force new hardware purchases on something like a three year or five year cycle? Hardware providers would love it. Not so their customers.

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  31. Ugly Phones by transami · · Score: 1

    Since they took over for Nokia, their phones have just gotten uglier, too. I really liked the look of the 532, wish they'd bring that back.

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  32. Push harder eh? by ArylAkamov · · Score: 3, Interesting

    All this push to UPGRADE UPGRADE UPGRADE TO WINDOWS 10 pushed me to install Arch (Sure as hell isn't for beginners, but it was a fun challenge).

    It also pushed my girlfriend to ask me to install Mint on her laptop, someone who isn't by any stretch of the imagination a tech nerd.

    And several of my friends once I told them their favorite steam games now work perfectly fine, and I would be happy to install whatever distro they wanted if they bought the vodka.

    I don't think microsoft understands they do not hold the monopoly on good, usable, noob friendly operating systems anymore.

    1. Re:Push harder eh? by ArylAkamov · · Score: 1

      And to add to that, I'm really enjoying the experience for reasons I didn't even think of: I no longer get several BSoD's every day for no apparent reason (Yes, I checked the code. Hardware failure related. Swapped out every part except the mobo and processor with another computer, no difference. Memtest and prime 95 passed just fine).

      And when an error occurs, I can fix it. No generic "THIS HAS STOPPED WORKING FOR SOME REASON. SEND REPORT TO MICROSOFT?".

      Right after I installed Arch I was getting a message at startup, kernel modules failed to load.

      Oh, okay. Open terminal, systemctl --failed ....Huh, okay, related to systemd modules. systemctl status systemd-modules-load.service ...Ah, it's related to some virtualbox shit. I don't even use virtualbox, I'll just remove it. Problem solved.

    2. Re:Push harder eh? by iampiti · · Score: 1

      I pray to the gods that games developers start releasing most games on Linux. That day I'll ditch Windows forever (at home at least).
      While I'm happy with 7 I hate hate hate Windows 10!

    3. Re:Push harder eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some CPU's cant run virtualisation.

      Im guessing... but thats likely the reason.

  33. That motto tho by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ironic when the motto 'mobile first cloud first' only highlights their own mobile failings.

  34. Did Netcraft confirm this? by Northdot · · Score: 1

    Since I had no idea that Netcraft has confirmed the death of Win Phone, I just bought the new Lumia 650 dual sim, and it's a great value for a basic smartphone. 200 bucks and only lacks a compass and Continuum (if you ever want your phone to be a desktop replacement.. I don't). Feels pretty high-end in the hand too, for the price paid.

    Lack of niche apps on Win phone is definitely an issue, though most of the big names are there (Whatsapp, Uber, etc.). If Microsoft can stop thrashing its APIs, they will likely catch up to some degree at least. Both Xamarin and Universal Apps seem like solid strategies on the part of Microsoft. We'll see if they give it a chance I guess.

    On the plus side as an unlocked device purchased direct from MS, I'd expect several years of Win 10 updates (at the very least security updates). Unlike my last Sony Android phone, which got exactly "one" update from the carrier before being abandoned. That really soured me on Android.

  35. Re:Fixed that for you by HatofPig · · Score: 2

    Yeah. "feel like" doesn't cut it for free software users, but I understand how a user would feel liberated just by switching to any operating system that doesn't come bundled with trial crapware from the vendor and require six 3rd-party security/repair apps each with a redundant, proprietary update mechanism that bugs you every other boot-up. On linux, the "feeling" of owning your own computer can tip too far the other way and feel too much like a responsibility or burden that stops you from getting work done, because you are messing with your OS to try and get it to work properly. Apple has certainly struck a good balance.

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  36. Re:Windows becomes SaaS? FTFY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H FORCING customers to adopt its paid subscription services.....

  37. You misspelled Android by raymorris · · Score: 1

    The vast majority of CPUs sold in the last three years run Android. Did you make that post from an antique Windows desktop?

  38. Re:Fixed that for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How can you "own your computer again" with apple any more than microsoft? You are at the whim of apple for any upgrades, just as you are with microsoft. The main difference is that network admins have abilities to lock you down from doing whatever you want on the machines they have to support, and windows does allow them that control. So your "freedom" on the apple machine is to install anything you want, including unlicensed software for which the company would be liable.

  39. Re:How about MS Android? by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

    MS bought Cynagyn and has some tools in development to make android apps that do not use Google's proprietary AOSP store API.

    No middle aged neckbeards Xenix is not the answer.

    Rather, who is the market today and tomorrow? There are more millenials who LOVE their apps and portable devices as much as baby boomers and guess which one is entering the workforce and which one is leaving in droves? MS is in trouble and it's premier brand Windows has an identity crises. People do not care about WM's that mimick 20 year old legacy guis with sooo lame and outdated skuemorphic icons with no mobile support or startup daemon designs. They want ultra portable devices with flat UI's, hamburger menus, lots of small apps that are good for one thing (hmm rings a bell here from the past :-) ), and devices that function for both work and play.

    I am typing this on a Surface Pro 3. I use it for wiresharking connections for Avaya and CIsco equipment at work with a USB ethernet connection. I use it to watch Netflix movies when I use my pc or traveling. I use it at night as an ebook reader too with my Nook app and I answer emails with Outlook. Yes I loved Windows 8 on it as it was designed for this. Windows 10 not as much but WIndows 10 INK with the anniversary update is perfect.

    My point is universal apps for WIndows 10 will run on MS Android too eventually and it is why android emulators and tools are in Visual Studio 2015. No you did not missread that!

    IBM changed when it lost. MS is now too to stay relevant. Yes MS has opened sourced .NET as well but they are embracing change and there are growing pains as WIndows 10 mobile does suck hard at the moment. Windows 8 phone I used and liked but left as I saw the writting on the wall. We will see if it is still around in 3 years?

  40. Re:Fixed that for you by williamyf · · Score: 2

    Amen! I work as an University teacher in Telecommunications Engineering (mostly computer networks) AND as a trainer (Cloud Computing) for one Chinese telecoms manufacturer, and my main machine is a MacBook air Early 2015.

    Why?

    * I need all the power of Unix under the hood without fighting with my drivers.
    * I want a nice slick GUI on top of that to help my workflow.
    * I NEED full Office compatibility without whining at all (pun intended).
              Note: While I use LibreOffie for work at the University and find it passable (althoug the Dictionary, Spellchecker and Thesaurus in Spanish can't hold a candle to their counterparts in Office 2016), the Chinese use Office for everything (excels for reporting progress and clossing courses, Powerpoints with the presentations), and in Particular, in PowerPoint, if I use LibreOffice the layout sometimes goes to hell and the animations are lost.
    * I want my games selections on Steam to count into the Thousands, not Hundreds.
    * I want to run Windows for those few things that do not run on Mac (currently Project, Visio, Arkam city Origins). So, goodbye ARM PCs
    * If I ever change my line of work to, say, graphics design, the tools of the trade run on Mac whitout whining (again, pun intended).

    To this particular machine, I can Change the Battery, FAN and the SSD down the road to extend the usseful life (not that apple allows, but I am proficient enough to do it).

    And while I do not care much about fashion, it helps that the trainees that work on telcos in LatAm see you comming with a Mac (even my aluminum unibody late 2008), instead of a PC.

    Those are my reasons to own a Mac, and I suspect I am not the only one in a similar position.

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  41. Windows Phone functionality by Fencepost · · Score: 1

    I have one and use it on a daily basis, but primarily as a SIMless podcast player using PocketCasts (which I still hope to see one last update for....).

    The lack of apps is the big thing, and a couple of the ones you mention may become more problematic in the near future

    • the HERE products are going away (see: Here Maps drops support for Windows Phone and Windows 10 and the in-app message that pops up when you start the app)
    • possibly the Waze app (I haven't heard anything, but it's owned by Google and they're unlikely to be spending any developer time on it)
    • Is there such a thing as a good text or code editor on WP? I haven't found one.
    • Edge edges on being usable, and UC Browser and Surfy make attempts, but overall the browser situation on WP is pathetic. Before MS killed Project Astoria I had hopes that at least Dolphin would consider porting to Windows, but now why bother? And with that, on the Windows Phone side I resign myself to options that feel comparable to the built-in browser back in the Froyo days or even earlier.

    There are other more niche apps I'd like to have which either aren't available or can't be available due to the security model - things like SMS, call log and decent location tracking.

    As for other aspects, for a Microsoft phone running Outlook it has a terrible time with calendar sync - I'll add a calendar entry on an Android tablet, it'll sync to my company Exchange server, show up on my Android phone, then show up on the Windows phone hours later after the event and only when I actually open the calendar app to see why I didn't have a notification on there. While the keyboard is better than it appears at first, it still has some gaping holes (such as not showing the "secondary" characters available by swiping on the keys).

    I don't feel bad about having purchased the phone and might do it again under the same circumstances - it was $80 and I got a free 1-year subscription to Office365 with it, and my previous phone was showing signs of dying - but with the current status of Windows Phone and the application environment I can't imagine the scenario in which I'd actually buy one to use as a daily driver.

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  42. Re:How about MS Android? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > MS bought Cynagyn

    No, they didn't. They did give some money to them though.

    > and has some tools in development to make android apps that do not use Google's proprietary AOSP store API.

    Of course they did. Microsoft was selling an Android phone, they needed development tools to make apps that would talk to Microsoft services.

    http://www.microsoft.com/en-in/mobile/support/product/nokia-x/
    http://download-support.webapps.microsoft.com/ncss/PUBLIC/en_IN/webpdf/100000364121/UG_en_GB.pdf

  43. Re:Fixed that for you by lsatenstein · · Score: 1

    "Apple's core customer base is interested in fashion accessories and status symbols". Not really, I work in science and we're filthy with Macs and iPhone and iPads, this is not status conscious community. They use the devices because they need to get work done. I recall one fellow finally making the switch from Winders to Mac, his comment to me was, "I feel like I own my computer again". I'm not entirely sure what MS is doing to their clientele, but that sentiment seems rife among scientists.

    I felt that way when I switched to Linux.

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  44. I have an old win phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the phone is fine but next phone will be a cheap android for sure, the win phone is fine for me since i use phones more like a grandma would, but if i never ever have to see the zune aplication again (the windows computer program to sync the phone and copy music to the phone and stuff) it will be great, whoever designed the computer part of the zune thingy, the interface of the thing, is seriously retarded, like in an odd number of chromosomes retarded. Ive never seen something so shitty in my life, every time i use which is not often, it i have to figure out how it fucking works again, sometimes it takes 1 minute to figure out, some times it takes 10, its the most non intuitive program ive seen in my entire life

    they design pretty shitty stuff in microshit, i mean the os works, and im sure the workings of it are pretty awesome, im sure the engineers know their stuff inside out, but the people that design their interfaces, and the policy makers, the one that decide your fucking devide drivers will be updated no matter what (i understand them wanting their own shit updated, but i dont understand why in the name of FUCK they have to mess my fucking audio or video drivers that are working flawlessly at the moment) are seriously the people that are fucking their company

    the DESIGNATED indian guy and his shitting ways are a metaphor for a turd floating on a sad river of poo, he should go away with his faggoty ways, even if you give something away, if its a TURD, people wont want it, the whole world is not a designated shitting street mr nadella, we are not in india anymore!

    Get the poo to the loo, and the windows 10 to the crapper

  45. Yes, harder. by chainsaw1 · · Score: 1

    They stared with forcibly not allowing Windows 7 and 8.1 to run on Skylake hardware after 18 months...
    http://arstechnica.com/informa...

    They're also removing USB 2.0 support, to make sure your much-older computers are properly neutered. Guess you're going to be using that Skylake-esque hardware after all...
    http://wccftech.com/intel-skyl...

    Don't ask a question if you don't want to know the answer!.

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  46. Re:How about MS Android? by RockDoctor · · Score: 1
    Hey, some of us can remember using Xenix. On Compaq workstations, in 1989 or 1990. And seriously considering buying a personal copy, or a copy of Coherent Unix (from a company called SCO ; remember them?), or maybe Minix (but I couldn't get a floppy from anywhere ; this was 4 years before I got either a phone line, a modem or an Internet connection). Then I heard about this mad Finnish guy ...

    Sorry, I'll go back to trimming my beard.

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  47. For certain values of "sold" ... by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

    Microsoft sold a minuscule 2.3 million Lumia phones last quarter,

    If by "sold" you include "dispose of at approximately 1/10th of the cost of building the damned things."

    The wife was given one by her daughter a few months ago. Camera is OK. WiFi works (an improvement on the previous phone). It has ... a mapping app which we found could give directions after a few weeks. Oh, and Skype (so the wife can talk to her mother abroad).

    What else would you want from a phone? Particularly if you've got a proper SatNav in the car as well.

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  48. Re:How Microsoft can win the users! Seriously, tho by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I loathe Microsoft's current software. Yet, they truly could make it at least palatable if they made just a few simple changes:

    - Stop the spyware. Just stop.

    - Reduce the bugginess. It's unbelievable how bad it's gotten.

    - Drop MOOXML. ODF is superior, and is open, unlike MOOXML.

    - Add configurativity. This is the main thing that drives me to other OSs and software. I like your idea of restoring an XP gui (sort of like gnome or kde or mate or cinammon etc - pick what you like). But having Microsoft's poor choices forced on the end user is what drives me nuts. Going back to Clippy - really? Libraries - wtf are "libraries"? I will never use them. The Ribbon - complete trash. Pick Up Where You Left Off in This Document - umm, NEVER. It just slows me down, slows scrolling. This Isn't The Most Recent Email in This Thread - buggy as hell. I've clicked on Take Me to the Most Recent Message and had it take me backwards, to an email that came PRIOR to the one I'm looking at.

  49. Re:How Microsoft can win the users! Seriously, tho by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Got cut off and posted too soon . . .

    My point was, Microsoft, despite it all, I don't hate YOU. But make your software more open, less buggy, and especially more configurable, and you would get a lot more acceptance.

    The guys and gals who come up with all the Clippy-like functionality and decide to force it on end users, fire every last one of them. You don't even have to go open source - just allow us our personalizations. If I hate the Ribbon (and, I do), then let me easily turn it off. Give us options. That's all some of us are asking for.

    Windows xp and Office 2013 were your high water marks. Literally everything you have published since then has sucked and been a step backward.

  50. Try to avoid the Windows Store by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Only once I was tricked into using the Windows Store, half asleep maybe, and uninstalled that cr@p asap

  51. Millionaire by dddux · · Score: 1

    If I sold 2.3 million of phones I'd be a millionaire and very happy. ;)

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  52. What they should do. by danagin · · Score: 1

    What MS really needs to do to keep in the mobile market and save Nokia is to completely move to a MS branded flavor of Android. They still need to meet the requirements for Google services, which I know would be horrible for them to have to release a device that would require a google logon for all it's features. They have, however, lost the mobile OS race. If they would just give up on their mobile OS and delicate those resources to a platform(android) they could actually start working on REAL desktop and mobile OS integration. I got a Lumia at the same time I got my surface pro. There was absolutely no integration benefit. The surface pro was awesome. The Lumia 1020, with my favorite camera ever, only stayed with me 6 months. The windows mobile interface was miserable. I can't believe they're throwing away so much time on making what is their only decision at this point.

  53. Re:Fixed that for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Eh, I use both OS X (work laptop) and Ubuntu Gnome. And both of them "just work" (Linux on a home-built desktop and on my Lenovo Thinkpad). Apple has the advantage in some areas, Gnome/Ubuntu has the advantage in some other areas. Both operating systems make me feel like I have control and choice, unlike Windows 10 which mostly gets in my way.

    One example of OS X vs Gnome is that I'm spoiled in Gnome by being able to put my mouse into the upper left corner and start typing if I don't see what I want already open in the window previews. In OS X, that's two separate things. Yes, I can have the upper left as a hot-corner to open up the window/desktop preview view (which is very nice), but I can't start typing a program name. You have to use Cmd+Space or something in OS X in order to do that.

    OTOH, Apple handles high-DPI displays a little bit better the Gnome3 (while Windows 10 under Parallels constantly gets confused and lost).

    I do have a Win7 VM on the home Linux PC, but it stays turned off 95% of the time and only gets used once every 2-3 months when I have a project that requires Microsoft Access.

  54. Surface Phone? by Arterion · · Score: 1

    What I really want, and have wanted for a long time, is an Atom based Windows 10 phone. That is, a real x86 intel phone so that Continuum exposes a real Windows PC that can run real Win32 software. Then you don't even need any special magic to run Android apps, because you can actually just run Android in Hyper-V or VirtualBox like a sane person.

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