Interesting review paper. A polite minor suggestion is to perhaps remove the reference to the "China Syndrome" movie and describe opposition to nuclear more generally because specific references to fiction, no matter how apt, greatly undermine credibility. For the item on nuclear waste disposal I suggest you read about Synroc and for reprocessing I suggest you read about recent work at Harford. Things have changed since the 1970s and it's getting interesting. There is a minor typo of a misplaced decimal with what you've written about France's nuclear industry and you have not defined if it is available capacity (GW) or generated electricity (GW/h). Of course if it's nukes the fuel decays all the time if it's used or not so you want to run them as much as possible and let other things take up the slack. However some research reactors that run intermittently sometimes get included in capacity figures to pad the numbers so the latter figure is considered more credible and a better depiction of reality even if it may not be as impressive. What is the target audience of this review paper? It looks like it's dumbed down enough for political "think tanks", but if it's aimed at them you'll need to say something about expected popularity of items or it will be ignored.
How about we have a rule instead about people reading enough before they post to understand that different usernames mean different people are posting? Accusing the person that replied of bringing something up shows a distinct lack of awareness - saying you hope the person who replied should die for bringing something up shows a lack of a lot of other things. It's like a toddler's tantrum and amusingly cute in a slightly disturbing sort of way.
So basically, you're saying you like the way the old system failed instead of how the new system fails
Yes. Systemd is incredibly fucking fragile and it should not be.
As for your last point - the systemd stuff is mostly done internally at RedHat because Lennart does not play well with others, but outsiders can send in bug reports. Your suggestion "push for better output, error control and reporting in the new system" has resulted in a lot of people getting flamed when they tried. It's not going to stop me sending in very polite bug reports (have to be careful not to upset the egos) - I'm already doing what you suggest despite running systemd on very few systems.
Another thing to keep in mind is that Maureen O'Gara made her name with a series of "but Amityville Horror is real" stories. I'm not sure if it was "National Enquirer" or something else she published her "journalism" about ghosts in, but that's where her reputation came from. Thus she exhibited close to zero scruples some years before getting mixed up with SCO and "doxxing" PJ.
Yes, back when you had to stop all services just to do a full backup of the mail stores - yet it was version 5.0 and not pre-release beta software! What that meant was that no mail could go in or out for the duration of the real backup which would typically take hours, sometimes most of non-work hours if you had early risers. Most people either lived dangerously doing partial backups or had adult supervision of a *nix box as a gateway doing spam filtering and catching all ingoing and outgoing mail so that it could be backed up. A lot of mail was just lost in those days with no real backup.
With all the money Darl and his brother sucked out of that company they never need to work again. His "business model" was to start a case that could not be won, give the legal work to his brother's firm, string it out for max legal fees then take a golden parachute. Not a nice guy. I've got no idea why anyone other than a crony would every employ him.
Some Australians gave it a go because if it succeeded then SCO employees in Australia could be charged with "demanding money with menaces". SCO refused to deal.
Didn't some hack employed by SCO publish the home address of PJ and then the home address of PJ's mother? That's the sort of thing to turn you away forever from unpaid and very poorly paid blogging to focus on your day job.
However the difference between the "flusterfuck dyslexic script hackery" and the new thing is if portions failed to work the old way the system would still come up with whatever it has. This shit of hanging with no log available and then finding that just unplugging an RF mouse dongle is the secret to the booting or not is not what we are looking for in a modern system. Lots of things writing in parallel to a binary log? The 1960s called and said something about obvious failures wait to happen due to race conditions that Lennart has somehow not heard about.
Only true because SCO had nothing but lies and used the "but Amityville horror is true" journalist as a PR hack - thus just about anything else was more of a danger.
Still, Lennart's latest attempt at linux domination is flawed in many ways and still not ready for release yet but we are stuck with either using it or using old distros. Notice how many commercial operations are doing the latter and still stuck on RHEL6 to avoid systemd? Doing anything with Fedora outside of the norm (eg. running ZFS or using odd bits of hardware) means a risk of the thing just not starting - what an utter failure of something that began as an init system!
Darl McBride drove the public company that he'd been allowed to run into the brick wall that is IBM and took it to his brother's panel shop (legal firm). Both made a fortune out of the destruction. Massive legal fees and a golden parachute draining all value out of the company before bankruptcy.
Linux was just the distraction for an old fashioned two man scam.
Lastly, wind farms are NOT spread evenly around the country. They are located in specific areas where it makes sense to have them.
Specific areas spread around the country then.
and can't without save a complete redesign of the technology and replacing billions in infrastructure
That has already been happening incrementally ever since electricity transmission became popular, and it will continue to happen incrementally short of disaster. Also major clue that I'm somewhat amazed you don't know - if grids don't match you don't throw one away, you do something with the interconnection. Exactly what is beyond me because I was never that sort of engineer but I have worked with several. Apparently transistors made a lot of the problems go away.
To put things in perspective they had fires due to hurricane Sandy wetting some gear where local transmission lines were nailed directly into wood! No insulators! "Third world" doesn't cover how bad some stuff that has been "grandfathered" in and there are transmission losses in some bits of the US network that defy reason. However, if they stick wind power units out on a remote and rocky cost they can run lines that lose hardly anything over 100km.
Too late - you did that yourself by adding zero information to this tedious thread. Why bother? Apps existed. The new device you went on about was in the summary FFS. Nothing added. Nothing here but deliberate annoyance.
With respect variable demand is a pretty huge reason for a mixture of small unit sizes and large before you go anywhere near the features of energy types.
It seems like _maybe_ you don't care for math
I used to work with applied mathematicians for the extremely nasty stuff and have had to resort to numerical solutions instead of analytical for some stuff, but I think you are getting the wrong idea maybe due to some things I have written about extremely simple concepts. After an argument erupted here over braindead simple orbital mechanics that any kid over ten paying attention to the space program would have been able to work out I've been trying to dumb things down as much as possible without changing meaning. The paper looks interesting at a quick glance. A very old transmission engineer put it to me very simply years ago however. If you have lots of mountains and snow hydro solves everything, if you don't it's a tradeoff with whatever you have lying around. Civilian nuclear fits the description of what is lying around because the infrastructure and training costs can be offset by military expenditure. No military nukes? Then starting from zero requires insane effort. I have not worked directly in electricity generation and transmission since 1997 but things have changed depressingly slowly in those fields since then. Take a look at the Westinghouse AP1000 for an example - what is there about it that would look new in 1988?
Yes you can do high school mathematics and more wind is better - but if a windmill can't get it's bearings moving with an airspeed of four metres per second it's a pretty fucked up design and is never going to be built. There's still a serious amount of energy to be gained when the air is moving at that speed especially considering the length of the vanes. That's the difference between high school level and possibly first year undergraduate engineering, but definitely by second year - a bit of awareness about what bearings actually do.
I'm intrigued why it's hard for you to understand that Y = X^3
Suggesting that I'm answering a different question to the one that I am answering is either the act of someone confused or pretending to be for nefarious reasons - so no - I do not find it hard to understand at all.
So? The obvious answer turned out to be a lot of windmills turning slowly instead of just one spinning really fast.
At 10 mph, it might, maybe have just enough power to overcome bearing friction
What exactly do you base that guess on coder boy? Your understanding of Visual Basic, Pascal, Java or maybe even C? If a wind at four metres per second is not moving a windmill then it's obviously a pretty fucked up design isn't it?
As for the "no grid" comment - bullshit. Just because the weakest links, the interconnectors, failed to avoid the entire lot going down does not mean that the regional grids are not connected. Do you really think there is an air gap? What do you think? did you think before writing? Maybe read what you've written again and ponder the meaning of it and how it contradicts itself, then perhaps try again with increased understanding. To dumb things down maybe you can pretend it's DC and consider Ohms law to get a bit of an idea about a badly designed grid and a badly designed interconnector 15 years ago can mean that you can't feed it as well from the area next door as well as you can today.
I'd actually MUCH rather have a bunch of 500MW nuclear units
Yes but demand fluctuates over time while those atoms keep on decaying faster than the heat can be used.
And if it means there's times when we just pump power to ground? C'est la vie!
Yes, let those greasy Moorlocks work it out while the coder boys play in the garden.
There's an energy mix for a variety of reasons. If you want to ignore that and bring the dicussion down to a grade school level, fair enough, but then it's best to stick to what you know instead of shouting into the darkness just because someone has mentioned something you don't know about.
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Interesting review paper.
A polite minor suggestion is to perhaps remove the reference to the "China Syndrome" movie and describe opposition to nuclear more generally because specific references to fiction, no matter how apt, greatly undermine credibility.
For the item on nuclear waste disposal I suggest you read about Synroc and for reprocessing I suggest you read about recent work at Harford. Things have changed since the 1970s and it's getting interesting.
There is a minor typo of a misplaced decimal with what you've written about France's nuclear industry and you have not defined if it is available capacity (GW) or generated electricity (GW/h). Of course if it's nukes the fuel decays all the time if it's used or not so you want to run them as much as possible and let other things take up the slack. However some research reactors that run intermittently sometimes get included in capacity figures to pad the numbers so the latter figure is considered more credible and a better depiction of reality even if it may not be as impressive.
What is the target audience of this review paper?
It looks like it's dumbed down enough for political "think tanks", but if it's aimed at them you'll need to say something about expected popularity of items or it will be ignored.
How about we have a rule instead about people reading enough before they post to understand that different usernames mean different people are posting?
Accusing the person that replied of bringing something up shows a distinct lack of awareness - saying you hope the person who replied should die for bringing something up shows a lack of a lot of other things. It's like a toddler's tantrum and amusingly cute in a slightly disturbing sort of way.
Look one more step up the tree for the race condition and understand the journald just takes what it is fed before throwing stones.
Yes.
Systemd is incredibly fucking fragile and it should not be.
As for your last point - the systemd stuff is mostly done internally at RedHat because Lennart does not play well with others, but outsiders can send in bug reports. Your suggestion "push for better output, error control and reporting in the new system" has resulted in a lot of people getting flamed when they tried. It's not going to stop me sending in very polite bug reports (have to be careful not to upset the egos) - I'm already doing what you suggest despite running systemd on very few systems.
Another thing to keep in mind is that Maureen O'Gara made her name with a series of "but Amityville Horror is real" stories. I'm not sure if it was "National Enquirer" or something else she published her "journalism" about ghosts in, but that's where her reputation came from.
Thus she exhibited close to zero scruples some years before getting mixed up with SCO and "doxxing" PJ.
All in the summary and link.
You have provided nothing new - nothing but noise and no signal.
Total waste of time.
Why do you do this?
It's truly pathetic.
Yes, back when you had to stop all services just to do a full backup of the mail stores - yet it was version 5.0 and not pre-release beta software!
What that meant was that no mail could go in or out for the duration of the real backup which would typically take hours, sometimes most of non-work hours if you had early risers. Most people either lived dangerously doing partial backups or had adult supervision of a *nix box as a gateway doing spam filtering and catching all ingoing and outgoing mail so that it could be backed up. A lot of mail was just lost in those days with no real backup.
With all the money Darl and his brother sucked out of that company they never need to work again. His "business model" was to start a case that could not be won, give the legal work to his brother's firm, string it out for max legal fees then take a golden parachute.
Not a nice guy.
I've got no idea why anyone other than a crony would every employ him.
Some Australians gave it a go because if it succeeded then SCO employees in Australia could be charged with "demanding money with menaces". SCO refused to deal.
Didn't some hack employed by SCO publish the home address of PJ and then the home address of PJ's mother? That's the sort of thing to turn you away forever from unpaid and very poorly paid blogging to focus on your day job.
However the difference between the "flusterfuck dyslexic script hackery" and the new thing is if portions failed to work the old way the system would still come up with whatever it has.
This shit of hanging with no log available and then finding that just unplugging an RF mouse dongle is the secret to the booting or not is not what we are looking for in a modern system. Lots of things writing in parallel to a binary log? The 1960s called and said something about obvious failures wait to happen due to race conditions that Lennart has somehow not heard about.
Only true because SCO had nothing but lies and used the "but Amityville horror is true" journalist as a PR hack - thus just about anything else was more of a danger.
Still, Lennart's latest attempt at linux domination is flawed in many ways and still not ready for release yet but we are stuck with either using it or using old distros. Notice how many commercial operations are doing the latter and still stuck on RHEL6 to avoid systemd? Doing anything with Fedora outside of the norm (eg. running ZFS or using odd bits of hardware) means a risk of the thing just not starting - what an utter failure of something that began as an init system!
Darl McBride drove the public company that he'd been allowed to run into the brick wall that is IBM and took it to his brother's panel shop (legal firm). Both made a fortune out of the destruction. Massive legal fees and a golden parachute draining all value out of the company before bankruptcy.
Linux was just the distraction for an old fashioned two man scam.
Specific areas spread around the country then.
That has already been happening incrementally ever since electricity transmission became popular, and it will continue to happen incrementally short of disaster. Also major clue that I'm somewhat amazed you don't know - if grids don't match you don't throw one away, you do something with the interconnection. Exactly what is beyond me because I was never that sort of engineer but I have worked with several. Apparently transistors made a lot of the problems go away.
To put things in perspective they had fires due to hurricane Sandy wetting some gear where local transmission lines were nailed directly into wood! No insulators! "Third world" doesn't cover how bad some stuff that has been "grandfathered" in and there are transmission losses in some bits of the US network that defy reason.
However, if they stick wind power units out on a remote and rocky cost they can run lines that lose hardly anything over 100km.
Too late - you did that yourself by adding zero information to this tedious thread. Why bother? Apps existed. The new device you went on about was in the summary FFS. Nothing added. Nothing here but deliberate annoyance.
I used to work with applied mathematicians for the extremely nasty stuff and have had to resort to numerical solutions instead of analytical for some stuff, but I think you are getting the wrong idea maybe due to some things I have written about extremely simple concepts. After an argument erupted here over braindead simple orbital mechanics that any kid over ten paying attention to the space program would have been able to work out I've been trying to dumb things down as much as possible without changing meaning.
The paper looks interesting at a quick glance. A very old transmission engineer put it to me very simply years ago however. If you have lots of mountains and snow hydro solves everything, if you don't it's a tradeoff with whatever you have lying around. Civilian nuclear fits the description of what is lying around because the infrastructure and training costs can be offset by military expenditure. No military nukes? Then starting from zero requires insane effort. I have not worked directly in electricity generation and transmission since 1997 but things have changed depressingly slowly in those fields since then. Take a look at the Westinghouse AP1000 for an example - what is there about it that would look new in 1988?
That's the difference between high school level and possibly first year undergraduate engineering, but definitely by second year - a bit of awareness about what bearings actually do.
Suggesting that I'm answering a different question to the one that I am answering is either the act of someone confused or pretending to be for nefarious reasons - so no - I do not find it hard to understand at all.
What exactly do you base that guess on coder boy? Your understanding of Visual Basic, Pascal, Java or maybe even C? If a wind at four metres per second is not moving a windmill then it's obviously a pretty fucked up design isn't it?
Carbon fibre reinforced plastic - maybe not easy but now done on an industrial scale and in operation in thousands of windmills all over the world.
Must stop feeding obvious troll.
Obvious troll probably should get a less pathetic hobby.
Here is why it's not the USA - scroll down to the graph for the very quick answer:
http://hardware.slashdot.org/s...
As for the "no grid" comment - bullshit. Just because the weakest links, the interconnectors, failed to avoid the entire lot going down does not mean that the regional grids are not connected. Do you really think there is an air gap? What do you think? did you think before writing? Maybe read what you've written again and ponder the meaning of it and how it contradicts itself, then perhaps try again with increased understanding.
To dumb things down maybe you can pretend it's DC and consider Ohms law to get a bit of an idea about a badly designed grid and a badly designed interconnector 15 years ago can mean that you can't feed it as well from the area next door as well as you can today.
Yes but demand fluctuates over time while those atoms keep on decaying faster than the heat can be used.
Yes, let those greasy Moorlocks work it out while the coder boys play in the garden.
There's an energy mix for a variety of reasons. If you want to ignore that and bring the dicussion down to a grade school level, fair enough, but then it's best to stick to what you know instead of shouting into the darkness just because someone has mentioned something you don't know about.
Until you posted about hardware components the thread had nothing to do with hardware components - I mentioned applications FFS!