If Snowden had limited his data dump to include only domestic related operations and programs he would be back in the US right now a free man
Would we have even heard of him or would he have been like the long string of whistleblowers before him that were sidelined or locked up without changing anything? Besides, he released it all to US journalists at a US based newspaper and the spread of information about foreign intelligence programs and methods could have been stopped there is the agencies involved wanted. They were offered a preview of what was going to be published but refused to declare what should or shouldn't go out, presenting it as all or nothing. Think about that before throwing the treason word around since no foreigners got their hands on the stuff directly from Snowden.
Obama may make handing Snowden over as part of any deal
I don't think he is that stupid since the only value there is petty revenge against someone who damaged the reputations of some spooks a few years ago and is no longer a threat to those spooks - it's not worth forgoing something of actual value.
Yes - typing was only for girls but coding was included with mathematics.
My first serious professional job involved writing out reports in block letters that were then typed up, only the typists were allowed to touch those computers since it was seen as a waste of time for anyone of a higher pay grade. I think of that and laugh every time we have a "MRA vs SJW" flamebait article on this site - all those losers that are saying women can't do IT work due to a lack of penis do not understand that people of the MRA mentality in grandpa's time would see all the men in IT as dickless sissies doing women's work.
The problem was self-correcting since a series of spectacularly clueless decisions doomed the company about five years after I left. The management tried to blame it on a union since one suggestion (work all night on day rates) led to all of the technical staff joining a union on the same day.
Wait a few days for anything about a form of electricity generation to be posted here and you will see dozens. My favourite was the guy that said "all but X of France's power generation capacity in nuclear" who posted a link that listed among other things a coal fired power station that was larger than X by itself. He didn't read the link before spamming me with it and a few others that we not even on topic.
You brought up the derrick, I brought up the software close to that - if you want to shift the goalposts elsewhere to extend to retail software were fuel is sold then I suspect you are just being deliberately difficult instead of wishing to discuss the issue of where technical knowlege is required.
Yes but those who think treason means defying "The Party", just like in China or in the days of the USSR, will pretend to misunderstand based on a few typos in a hastily typed post.
It's not treason when it is exposing people who defy the constitution instead acting against the nation itself. It looks a lot more like patriotism. However, if you define treason as beating a Russian at chess and patriotism as selling weapons to a terrorist group that had killed over one hundred US Marines less than one year earlier (the "patriot" North selling to Hezbolla), then all bets are and treason means defying "The Party" instead of the nation. That line leads to the direct opposite of what George Washington and others had in mind IMHO. I'm pretty sure Franklin and Jefferson would be cheering for Snowden if not the entire lot of them.
He said he thought it would be a good idea, not that they do. While we are at it, they should also teach basic cooking and nutrition.
In the 1980s we were taught that AND simple coding. The only thing they missed is I didn't learn how to type because only girls did that (and the girls didn't learn simple woodwork/metalwork), but the boys did do basic cooking and nutrition.
If someone in a role is is important to the success of the company, then you can't do without someone in that role. There's an annoying difference between being important enough to be refused time off, because someone doing that job has to be there, and being important enough to be given more instead of just replaced when the problem is raised. It's a common thing that if a place is mismanaged badly enough that only one person can do a job that they will be such cheapskates that they will just replace the complaining single point of failure with a different one. "Growing a spine" may mean being prepared to walk out of the place without getting a chance to clean out your desk or get tools. It's not as simple as the sitcom or movie scenario suggested by turbidostato above. Hero in your own mind perhaps but replaceable work unit number 43 to HR.
I've been there - it sucked, whoever is in the role is sometimes considered to be too important to operations to be allowed to take time off but replaceable if they ask for more money. It's about poor management not about excellence of the person who is not allowed to take time off. There should be enough people to cover for anyone over the short term.
What are they going to do, fire you and make the problem worse?
It turned out that was what happened to the person in the role before me - two years with no holidays and they were fired when they pushed the issue. It took a while for me to find that out but that, a list of broken promises and backstabbing office politics made me decide to walk - managerial responsibility on technician's salary with no chance of a pay rise or time off is not worth it in the long term.
The "hot" bit implies too much sunlight presumably. I'm curious as to what drove the choice of location since normally you'd want to sit something like this on as many fibre connections as you can find.
The point is that full automation has a drawback over more than just signals in situations like this. Maybe I should have put it in bold, all caps, red, with an old BLINK tag?
this is actually a case where they would likely be followed
It has been reported that they were not followed in this case. Perhaps the report is not correct and it is blame shifting, but assuming it is correct the signals were not enough.
Yes, but if you don't even know the key words or what they mean google is not going to help. You need at least something to start with. It's especially clear here when people way out of their depth link spam you with stuff that in no way supports their argument. They googled what they thought they meant, found something different and didn't know enough to notice.
By my reckoning that leaves Australia and that place with the funny shaped stamps.
Some years back the word went out that the high schools had to dispose of all their stock of sodium for safety reasons. The principal of my school (sometimes also a science teacher) crumbled up all the sodium in store and placed it on an anthill of some large stinging green ants in the school grounds. A couple of hours later after the ants had taken some underground he called out all the students to watch from the buildings some distance away and then turned on a large sprinkler. There was a nice little explosion, a bit of fire, the sodium was disposed of and all the students saw that sodium metal reacts with water. Sodium is now out but some other things that burn are acceptable.
Maybe have retired professionals teach their subjects of expertise.
With woodwork, metalwork and drafting that used to be the case, real experienced trade qualified people with a teaching diploma - but the pay sucks too much for most who have been in other fields to commit the time to get past the increased barriers of entry to get into teaching.
Does anyone believe that VW didn't have technical managers? In the end, did it really make a difference?
Very few governments take emissions standards seriously other than trusting a number from the manufacturer. A policy of deception was seen as very low risk by Falsewagen. Technical versus non-technical managers has nothing to do with it.
So if a developer understands the oil business he should go off and build his own derrick?
Most of the software developers writing stuff for the oil industry are geologists, geophysicists or real engineers because they need enough mathematics to understand what they are coding. Typically that means either crappy slow code in situations where even a 1% speedup can save an hour (some stuff runs for many days) or if a CS type with not enough mathematics (sadly most of them) comes in, fast code with utterly strange results and unrealistic boundaries that have to be worked around. It sucks when noise reduction cannot be run without someone using a mouse to individually pick out the extreme values that crash the filter that is supposed to be removing them - and there's shit like allocating negative amounts of memory due to noise giving a negative value on an input. So your example doesn't quite fit - the developer needs enough understanding of the "oil business" to know enough of the underlying science and mathematics to know if their code is doing the right thing or not. They need to know enough about how the data is collected to avoid stupid mistakes like limiting the number of input records to "999" when there are half a million that the user wants to input (annoying bug for YEARS in a major package).
Devil's advocate here. Have you considered the possibility that you just plain out suck at being able to explain things in terms that other people will understand?
Not everything is simple. When something is four steps outside of someone's understanding it can be difficult to explain things in terms that other people will understand and they may not wish to commit the time to do so. Think back to your time as a student and how much time it took for people who were teaching you to build up to some of the more difficult concepts.
A lot of it is perception. Intermediate managers choose what to report up and down the chain, and depending on how they feel about themselves
One epic failure along those lines that I noticed (from close proximity) was a steelworks where the metric reported was "tons of steel per man-hour" where a "man-hour" was defined as an hour of work by a steelworks employee. Contractors did not count in that metric. Thus large numbers of contractors were employed at once, requiring an attractive offer, blowing out payroll costs, and the majority knew very little about the work. The metric soared spectacularly and the intermediate managers were praised, promoted and given bonuses. Reality exerted itself in the form of an increased rate of workplace deaths and other accidents, higher wages costs, lower tonnages of steel per day and eventually turning a healthy profit into a loss - so the place shut down.
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I had no idea that you were so immature.
Would we have even heard of him or would he have been like the long string of whistleblowers before him that were sidelined or locked up without changing anything? Besides, he released it all to US journalists at a US based newspaper and the spread of information about foreign intelligence programs and methods could have been stopped there is the agencies involved wanted. They were offered a preview of what was going to be published but refused to declare what should or shouldn't go out, presenting it as all or nothing. Think about that before throwing the treason word around since no foreigners got their hands on the stuff directly from Snowden.
I don't think he is that stupid since the only value there is petty revenge against someone who damaged the reputations of some spooks a few years ago and is no longer a threat to those spooks - it's not worth forgoing something of actual value.
Yes - typing was only for girls but coding was included with mathematics.
My first serious professional job involved writing out reports in block letters that were then typed up, only the typists were allowed to touch those computers since it was seen as a waste of time for anyone of a higher pay grade.
I think of that and laugh every time we have a "MRA vs SJW" flamebait article on this site - all those losers that are saying women can't do IT work due to a lack of penis do not understand that people of the MRA mentality in grandpa's time would see all the men in IT as dickless sissies doing women's work.
The problem was self-correcting since a series of spectacularly clueless decisions doomed the company about five years after I left. The management tried to blame it on a union since one suggestion (work all night on day rates) led to all of the technical staff joining a union on the same day.
Wait a few days for anything about a form of electricity generation to be posted here and you will see dozens. My favourite was the guy that said "all but X of France's power generation capacity in nuclear" who posted a link that listed among other things a coal fired power station that was larger than X by itself. He didn't read the link before spamming me with it and a few others that we not even on topic.
You brought up the derrick, I brought up the software close to that - if you want to shift the goalposts elsewhere to extend to retail software were fuel is sold then I suspect you are just being deliberately difficult instead of wishing to discuss the issue of where technical knowlege is required.
I'm correcting your rather strange and probably deliberate errors - take your question up with those that started the thread.
Yes but those who think treason means defying "The Party", just like in China or in the days of the USSR, will pretend to misunderstand based on a few typos in a hastily typed post.
It should read "then all bets are off".
The other typos don't really matter and don't change the meaning.
It's not treason when it is exposing people who defy the constitution instead acting against the nation itself. It looks a lot more like patriotism.
However, if you define treason as beating a Russian at chess and patriotism as selling weapons to a terrorist group that had killed over one hundred US Marines less than one year earlier (the "patriot" North selling to Hezbolla), then all bets are and treason means defying "The Party" instead of the nation. That line leads to the direct opposite of what George Washington and others had in mind IMHO. I'm pretty sure Franklin and Jefferson would be cheering for Snowden if not the entire lot of them.
If you are then I strongly suggest paying more attention to the workplace than the movies.
Mine didn't either (in the 1980s) so they sent a few kids off to the local tech college to learn Z80 assembly while the other kids were playing sport.
In the 1980s we were taught that AND simple coding. The only thing they missed is I didn't learn how to type because only girls did that (and the girls didn't learn simple woodwork/metalwork), but the boys did do basic cooking and nutrition.
If someone in a role is is important to the success of the company, then you can't do without someone in that role.
There's an annoying difference between being important enough to be refused time off, because someone doing that job has to be there, and being important enough to be given more instead of just replaced when the problem is raised.
It's a common thing that if a place is mismanaged badly enough that only one person can do a job that they will be such cheapskates that they will just replace the complaining single point of failure with a different one.
"Growing a spine" may mean being prepared to walk out of the place without getting a chance to clean out your desk or get tools. It's not as simple as the sitcom or movie scenario suggested by turbidostato above. Hero in your own mind perhaps but replaceable work unit number 43 to HR.
It turned out that was what happened to the person in the role before me - two years with no holidays and they were fired when they pushed the issue. It took a while for me to find that out but that, a list of broken promises and backstabbing office politics made me decide to walk - managerial responsibility on technician's salary with no chance of a pay rise or time off is not worth it in the long term.
In my day we used the round ones.
The "hot" bit implies too much sunlight presumably.
I'm curious as to what drove the choice of location since normally you'd want to sit something like this on as many fibre connections as you can find.
The point is that full automation has a drawback over more than just signals in situations like this. Maybe I should have put it in bold, all caps, red, with an old BLINK tag?
It has been reported that they were not followed in this case. Perhaps the report is not correct and it is blame shifting, but assuming it is correct the signals were not enough.
Yes, but if you don't even know the key words or what they mean google is not going to help. You need at least something to start with.
It's especially clear here when people way out of their depth link spam you with stuff that in no way supports their argument. They googled what they thought they meant, found something different and didn't know enough to notice.
Some years back the word went out that the high schools had to dispose of all their stock of sodium for safety reasons. The principal of my school (sometimes also a science teacher) crumbled up all the sodium in store and placed it on an anthill of some large stinging green ants in the school grounds. A couple of hours later after the ants had taken some underground he called out all the students to watch from the buildings some distance away and then turned on a large sprinkler. There was a nice little explosion, a bit of fire, the sodium was disposed of and all the students saw that sodium metal reacts with water.
Sodium is now out but some other things that burn are acceptable.
With woodwork, metalwork and drafting that used to be the case, real experienced trade qualified people with a teaching diploma - but the pay sucks too much for most who have been in other fields to commit the time to get past the increased barriers of entry to get into teaching.
Very few governments take emissions standards seriously other than trusting a number from the manufacturer. A policy of deception was seen as very low risk by Falsewagen. Technical versus non-technical managers has nothing to do with it.
Most of the software developers writing stuff for the oil industry are geologists, geophysicists or real engineers because they need enough mathematics to understand what they are coding. Typically that means either crappy slow code in situations where even a 1% speedup can save an hour (some stuff runs for many days) or if a CS type with not enough mathematics (sadly most of them) comes in, fast code with utterly strange results and unrealistic boundaries that have to be worked around. It sucks when noise reduction cannot be run without someone using a mouse to individually pick out the extreme values that crash the filter that is supposed to be removing them - and there's shit like allocating negative amounts of memory due to noise giving a negative value on an input.
So your example doesn't quite fit - the developer needs enough understanding of the "oil business" to know enough of the underlying science and mathematics to know if their code is doing the right thing or not. They need to know enough about how the data is collected to avoid stupid mistakes like limiting the number of input records to "999" when there are half a million that the user wants to input (annoying bug for YEARS in a major package).
Not everything is simple. When something is four steps outside of someone's understanding it can be difficult to explain things in terms that other people will understand and they may not wish to commit the time to do so. Think back to your time as a student and how much time it took for people who were teaching you to build up to some of the more difficult concepts.
One epic failure along those lines that I noticed (from close proximity) was a steelworks where the metric reported was "tons of steel per man-hour" where a "man-hour" was defined as an hour of work by a steelworks employee. Contractors did not count in that metric. Thus large numbers of contractors were employed at once, requiring an attractive offer, blowing out payroll costs, and the majority knew very little about the work. The metric soared spectacularly and the intermediate managers were praised, promoted and given bonuses. Reality exerted itself in the form of an increased rate of workplace deaths and other accidents, higher wages costs, lower tonnages of steel per day and eventually turning a healthy profit into a loss - so the place shut down.