"Follow the rules. Don't be selfish. The nail that sticks out gets hammered down."
Sounds like the US attitude to workplace relations and why many are indoctrinated to think unions or any bunch of employees getting together to question a management decision in any way is evil. I think you'll find "nail that sticks out gets hammered down" in many cultures, even ones that propagate myths of lone heroes working outside the system. Insert the name any country on the planet with large cities for Japan or US and there will be some major situation where people who act outside the norm face serious social pressure.
The largest is probably in an earthquate zone - San Francisco or Tokyo. Also, in a way that initially seems counter-intuitive, tall buildings cope better in earthquakes than shorter ones. They flex. Of course that doesn't save you from a street full of rubble and all the cables severed.
You appear to have forgotten the post you jumped on in an attempt to disprove:
"The thing with wind, as any child who watches the TV weather knows, is that it is always blowing somewhere. It's never calm on the whole planet or even an entire country bigger than Monaco. Windmills are not just in one spot but spread around countries especially now that they've been adopted by electricity generators for a few years - thus there's always at least some wind power available when you want to bring a few more MW online. They may cost a shitload per MW but for when you just want a little bit more power that's a lot cheaper than warming up 500MW worth of coal, which comes in big packages or not at all."
Get it now? Your trying to relate secondary information from graphs that depend on several different conditions to whether there is wind or not is inferior to just seeing if the wind is blowing or not. Detours into misinterpretations of laws about priority of minor contributors to the grid were a bit strange - your angry reaction to being informed about the existence of gas turbines as conventional peak generation sources disturbing. This has been a rather odd experience but has given me a bit of an insight into situations where politics is seen to trump reality.
Funny thing is back around 1998, when the students were away I'd run the "atlantis" screensaver as the animated background of my cheap little linux box with all the grunt work being done by a big SGI machine in the next building. Install a version of X11 on your MS box (xwin32 etc) and you can have a video background and party like it's 1999! I'm sure there's other ways already build into the desktop background changer of win7.
While you're there, make it a free feature to put a corporate signature in Exchange without poncing about with transport rules and copying files down to clients. 20 years and we still don't have the SIMPLEST of things done right.
Putting the MS Exchange collection behind a purpose designed MTA (sendmail, exim, cast of thousands) and getting that to add the signature is the easiest way to do it - bonus points if it's used to hold and scan mail for virus or spam before it can put any load on MS Exchange and make the fragile thing fall over.
Reminds me of how the ads should have run: "Windows, because copying Apple was my idea."
With a combination of window snapshots, multiple desktops and RDP that does not entirely suck it appears MS is close to catching up with the Enlightenment window manager on X from a year or two before Slashdot started. Or Xerox "rooms" from way back.
There was a Matrox virtual desktop thing from years back that was decent too, and I've seen an Nvidia one. However saying "that feature has been in windows" is like saying photoshop has been in windows:) There was a "powertoy" but it wasn't able to run reliably as the MS Windows environment changed - a 100% chance of bluescreen per day.
It nerfed the file sharing of NT4 to only a few connections and make workgroups useless, forcing us back to a central server model - preferably one with SAMBA instead of an arbitrary connection limit. That loss of a feature is actually what pushed my workplace from NT4 + Hummingbird Exceed to linux desktops nearly everywhere. If MS Windows machines can't talk to MS Windows machines effectively and that's the only reason you are on the platform then why stay on it?
Me too if it can run win7. For example there's USB camera control software that can't run on Win8 and a tablet makes a nice big viewfinder for a digital camera.
I did not write that. That law just does not the implications that you, and it appears Luckyo way above, suggest it does. It's a priority queue for scraps and not about bringing 5GW offline to let wind have a go.
Talent and balls seem to be absent in these decisions.
They have a toxic "kill off one from every team" workplace culture which apparently gets rid of balls and breaks up talented teams or makes them focus too much on conflict than the job.
Did you even read that post above? Calm down and think about the topic instead of getting angry because I remind you of some political baggage or something. You want to know about wind power - I'm telling you a few things about it instead of disparaging it or advocating it.
I've been fairly civil with you despite your pushing so many things that do not refute my statement that the wind is always blowing somewhere so what's the big deal here? I see odd points on that graph but no trend - and besides it's a portion of the European grid and my statement above was clearly about dealing with large grids and not point sources.
I will be sure to remind you in the future that you contend wind needs a lot of down time for maintenance.
So? It's true in comparison to thermal power and photovoltaics. You are interested in the topic so I'm telling you stuff and also part of the reason why I wrote way above "I've never had anything to do with windmills and don't even like them much". Way above I was kicking back against an idiot "ends justifies the means" nuke fanboy on the attack on another alternative energy - you just decided to jump and and get caught in the backwash of his ridiculous lie. Like windmills or not they are mainstream things now because they have a niche where they can be useful. The Chinese are not "green" yet they have a lot of the things.
I have shown you the actual law that required use of all available wind power
Without base load, typically sold in 1GW+ chunks, you have nothing. That law appears to be a priority queue for the scraps. I wish you would have actually quoted the bit that supposedly proves something you are asserting and saved me the time.
All the wind all the time - what rubbish - it's not implemented and it would be stupid if it was.
Calm down. Either point out the above statement is incorrect or take it at face value - I'm trying to make things clearer with that comment instead of provoking you. As for source with gas turbines - I've seen the things and you probably have too.
You have asserted that you can see patterns in a graph depicting a portion of the European grid and suggest those depict the wind over the entire grid better than a primary source such as a weather map showing wind speeds or pressures. That is not showing "actual data". That is a theatrical prop to show while expressing an opinion.
You didn't like the variability in the total wind generation chart for Germany
I don't care about it - I'm merely trying to point out that it depends on so many things that it cannot be used as evidence to justify some strange idea about there being a dead calm from Gibraltar to Istanbul.
Cite your sources
Any continental weather map showing pressure or wind speeds.
The same charts also clearly show that conventional generation correlates with peaking
Sorry to jump in the middle of the thread, but you'll find that bit is the gas turbines and other "traditional" small generators that used to be the only option at times of peak power consumption. Now there's also other stuff in that niche.
That act says "priority" which is obviously not all capacity isn't it? While I disagree that even that should be mandated it does not state that all available wind generation capacity should be used at all times which is the line you've been taking.
Cite your source
Since I've only been asserting that the wind is always blowing somewhere, the daily weather map in your newspaper will do or on television. For the rest I've been asking you to justify your own statements and attempting to explain very simple things about distributed power networks and a variety of different types of generators.
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Sounds like the US attitude to workplace relations and why many are indoctrinated to think unions or any bunch of employees getting together to question a management decision in any way is evil.
I think you'll find "nail that sticks out gets hammered down" in many cultures, even ones that propagate myths of lone heroes working outside the system. Insert the name any country on the planet with large cities for Japan or US and there will be some major situation where people who act outside the norm face serious social pressure.
The largest is probably in an earthquate zone - San Francisco or Tokyo.
Also, in a way that initially seems counter-intuitive, tall buildings cope better in earthquakes than shorter ones. They flex. Of course that doesn't save you from a street full of rubble and all the cables severed.
Cool. When?
Get it now?
Your trying to relate secondary information from graphs that depend on several different conditions to whether there is wind or not is inferior to just seeing if the wind is blowing or not. Detours into misinterpretations of laws about priority of minor contributors to the grid were a bit strange - your angry reaction to being informed about the existence of gas turbines as conventional peak generation sources disturbing.
This has been a rather odd experience but has given me a bit of an insight into situations where politics is seen to trump reality.
Funny thing is back around 1998, when the students were away I'd run the "atlantis" screensaver as the animated background of my cheap little linux box with all the grunt work being done by a big SGI machine in the next building. Install a version of X11 on your MS box (xwin32 etc) and you can have a video background and party like it's 1999!
I'm sure there's other ways already build into the desktop background changer of win7.
Putting the MS Exchange collection behind a purpose designed MTA (sendmail, exim, cast of thousands) and getting that to add the signature is the easiest way to do it - bonus points if it's used to hold and scan mail for virus or spam before it can put any load on MS Exchange and make the fragile thing fall over.
Reminds me of how the ads should have run:
"Windows, because copying Apple was my idea."
With a combination of window snapshots, multiple desktops and RDP that does not entirely suck it appears MS is close to catching up with the Enlightenment window manager on X from a year or two before Slashdot started. Or Xerox "rooms" from way back.
There was a Matrox virtual desktop thing from years back that was decent too, and I've seen an Nvidia one. However saying "that feature has been in windows" is like saying photoshop has been in windows :)
There was a "powertoy" but it wasn't able to run reliably as the MS Windows environment changed - a 100% chance of bluescreen per day.
It nerfed the file sharing of NT4 to only a few connections and make workgroups useless, forcing us back to a central server model - preferably one with SAMBA instead of an arbitrary connection limit.
That loss of a feature is actually what pushed my workplace from NT4 + Hummingbird Exceed to linux desktops nearly everywhere. If MS Windows machines can't talk to MS Windows machines effectively and that's the only reason you are on the platform then why stay on it?
You forgot Vista. I wish I could.
I don't get the point of it when python and a pile of other mature scripting languages work on MS Windows.
Me too if it can run win7. For example there's USB camera control software that can't run on Win8 and a tablet makes a nice big viewfinder for a digital camera.
http://en.windfinder.com/weather-maps/report/germany#5/51.179/10.459
I did not write that. That law just does not the implications that you, and it appears Luckyo way above, suggest it does. It's a priority queue for scraps and not about bringing 5GW offline to let wind have a go.
They have a toxic "kill off one from every team" workplace culture which apparently gets rid of balls and breaks up talented teams or makes them focus too much on conflict than the job.
Most frequently used does not always mean the thing you should optimize the design for.
Did you even read that post above? Calm down and think about the topic instead of getting angry because I remind you of some political baggage or something. You want to know about wind power - I'm telling you a few things about it instead of disparaging it or advocating it.
I've been fairly civil with you despite your pushing so many things that do not refute my statement that the wind is always blowing somewhere so what's the big deal here?
I see odd points on that graph but no trend - and besides it's a portion of the European grid and my statement above was clearly about dealing with large grids and not point sources.
So? It's true in comparison to thermal power and photovoltaics. You are interested in the topic so I'm telling you stuff and also part of the reason why I wrote way above "I've never had anything to do with windmills and don't even like them much". Way above I was kicking back against an idiot "ends justifies the means" nuke fanboy on the attack on another alternative energy - you just decided to jump and and get caught in the backwash of his ridiculous lie.
Like windmills or not they are mainstream things now because they have a niche where they can be useful. The Chinese are not "green" yet they have a lot of the things.
Without base load, typically sold in 1GW+ chunks, you have nothing. That law appears to be a priority queue for the scraps.
I wish you would have actually quoted the bit that supposedly proves something you are asserting and saved me the time.
All the wind all the time - what rubbish - it's not implemented and it would be stupid if it was.
Calm down. Either point out the above statement is incorrect or take it at face value - I'm trying to make things clearer with that comment instead of provoking you.
As for source with gas turbines - I've seen the things and you probably have too.
You have asserted that you can see patterns in a graph depicting a portion of the European grid and suggest those depict the wind over the entire grid better than a primary source such as a weather map showing wind speeds or pressures. That is not showing "actual data". That is a theatrical prop to show while expressing an opinion.
I don't care about it - I'm merely trying to point out that it depends on so many things that it cannot be used as evidence to justify some strange idea about there being a dead calm from Gibraltar to Istanbul.
Any continental weather map showing pressure or wind speeds.
Sorry to jump in the middle of the thread, but you'll find that bit is the gas turbines and other "traditional" small generators that used to be the only option at times of peak power consumption. Now there's also other stuff in that niche.
Since I've only been asserting that the wind is always blowing somewhere, the daily weather map in your newspaper will do or on television. For the rest I've been asking you to justify your own statements and attempting to explain very simple things about distributed power networks and a variety of different types of generators.