Not long ago there were some posts here about programmers not needing to know any mathematics. It didn't take very long for an article to appear that showed the consequences of not cracking open some books.
Who would have thought - Knuth seems to have a bit more of a point than the guy who taught himself PHP.
Writing software is its own engineering discipline.
True, but where it is it has a solid base of mathematics (and other things) so still fits what I wrote above about "real engineers", at least according to IEEE who are more worthy to listen to than I. Someone teaching themselves PHP and having a few hundred hours of coding experience is closer to individual basket weaving than taking part in an engineering project. Sure, they can do some nice web pages, but eventually something they could handle better if they crack open a few books is going to turn up.
There was an article on profanity here just in the last week. Sometimes it is the thing you have to use to be taken seriously. Doesn't the line you quoted more accurately convey complete and utter contempt than a polite phrase?
And yet you somehow haven't managed to correct your errors
You did not point out what you see as an error Crash. Disappointing. All you have is spamming and stock phrases. Why bother to comment at all?
on the history of modern Israel
It's very likely I've read more about that than you ever had before you were born, especially based on your criticism without foundation. My Scout leader was in the British Royal Navy at Suez so I've been interested in that issue for a very long time. Admit it - you are just attempting to play the man instead of the ball just like last time are you not? The actual issue does not appear to matter to you, just someone to shout at.
Back before every computer/tablet etc users were using was behind NAT we had point to point video and audio. Skype is the hack to have someone in the middle to act as a proxy between to endpoints between NAT. Now that IPv6 is finally starting to spread we just need something like those many point to point video and audio programs. It's no longer such a difficult problem and there are many open source projects already delivering in that space.
It would serve you well to at least google a topic before you pretend expertise.
Hasn't stopped you before Crash and perhaps you should try try it on this one. This is like talking to an Eliza bot - you've gone and told me I am not correct about something but not pointed out what it is - utterly fucking useless. It's clearly just one of your stock insults.
Yes because
I know a sentence there is long but getting to the end of it or at least the words "even isolationists" before replying is the polite thing to do. The rockets make it popular to oppose the idiots setting off rockets - thus counterproductive.
I've already had the misfortune of reading some Rand after people on this site went on about it so I'd probably rather chew my own arm off before reading more SF written to push an ideology. I'll take your word for it.
FFS - those who want to model the real world need to be able to pick up a bit of mathematics somewhere. That's why in my workplace we have actual engineers churning out shitty code instead of CS graduates who could produce wonderful and efficient code if they had some clue where to start. If you can't even answer the question "what's a fourier transform?" then you are doomed to attempt to solve many problems in ways that will take orders of magnitude more time than really shitty code from someone who can.
You don't have to start with it, but if you don't pick up a bit of mathematics along the way in something that is a very mathematical field you will be very limited in what you can do.
Good point - the free market is biased between the quick solutions whether they are better in the long run or not, plus it tends to concentrate in places where profit is highest. Without government involvement we wouldn't have nukes and just about every farm and small town would still be dark just as it was more than fifty years after Edison lit up a profitable part of New York.
He's not that. He's an anarchist who goes as far as saying you should be able to break any contract so long as it's to your advantage. Government of any kind expects people to play by rules so is automatically his enemy so you are not going to convince him.
I used quotes on "right" about because there are so many people that label themselves that way who are not really advocating for anything, they just oppose whatever they see another group doing. They are the ones pushing capitulation instead of compromise while an actual conservative is typically more interested in results than stupid fucking ego games. A conservative would allow an abortion in the case where a doctor says that otherwise both mother and baby would die, but a reactionary who is nothing but against the "left" would say "rules is rules - both die".
And the problem with the left is that they can't compromise
Often the "compromise" wanted is complete capitulation so the people who see themselves firmly on the "right" can appear "strong". Stupid fucking games instead of trying to run something properly. Edge cases on minor issues getting attention just to deliberately start a fight instead of actual governance. In a lot of cases it's not "left" or "right" but huge fucking egos trying to turkey slap everyone just to prove they have balls.
Look overseas and it's not so ridiculous all the time either. The amount of utter hate in the last few elections in the USA has been exceptional. All those people who wanted to use the "N" word with Obama, Trump being Trump and Baby Bush after a few people started to work out that the Iraq war was nothing but a personal vanity project with a death toll. That's not normal in the US or anywhere. People said they hated Bill Clinton, but compared with Obama and Trump it was just annoyance.
I'm calling them ineffective because they are actively harming the Palestinian cause, providing an excuse for retalatory airstrikes and the psychos who launch those old missiles don't even get the bloodthirsty satisfaction of killing people. As for those "large amounts", it comes out of US military aid and helps reinforce the aid supply (which is not going to be cut off as long as those rockets keep flying). "Defending against terrorist rockets" is a pretty damned good reason to help out another country and even isolationists are going to think twice about cutting off that aid. Meanwhile our "friends" in Saudi Arabia are paying for these rockets.
Indeed but we are talking about a few orders of magnitude in fuel difference so long as you are prepared to wait a long time for the asteroid to get to where you want it. Of course it makes a LOT more sense to start with a small one that is closer or on it's way past in the first place, but we are talking seriously way out SF stuff here if we are talking about needing planetoids worth of minerals. By the time we need that much stuff we'll probably be ready to set up processing onsite in the asteroid belt instead of moving something so huge.
neither is converting the raw ore into final products
On Earth our biggest problem is the ores are normally metal oxides that need to be reduced, and that typically requires both a lot of heat and a serious reducing agent. Some of these asteroids have stuff in a metallic state instead of oxidised so there is a lot less to do. You've heard of "sky-iron" swords and daggers? It's not just myth, Tutenkamen had one, a nickel rich iron dagger forged directly from a chunk of meterorite (just heated to red hot and hammered into shape) - I think it's in the British Museum.
Not quite "baloney" if you also look at it the other way of having a resource that could be dragged into orbit if you want to build stuff in space instead of having to drag it all the way up from Earth at the cost of vast amounts of fuel. If it could be used that way it's the equivalent of spending shitloads in cash. Otherwise, yes, file it with a snake with poison strong enough to kill five elephants in a single bite under silly metrics since it's not getting to the ground to be sold. However journalists like that sort of extrapolation. At least this time it wasn't in Volkswagens or Libraries of Congress.
It depends how you define it. They certainly gave him very large bank loans that we do know of. That isn't a contribution (unless it gets written off some time in the future) but the other banks were very reluctant. He was funded by a lot of Russian cash but there is nothing illegal about that. So the Russians did help and he does literally owe them a great deal. So long as it is paid back in cash and not some special favors it's not a problem, but people are worried that it's going to be special favors. It's not a good look for a leader of a country.
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Not long ago there were some posts here about programmers not needing to know any mathematics.
It didn't take very long for an article to appear that showed the consequences of not cracking open some books.
Who would have thought - Knuth seems to have a bit more of a point than the guy who taught himself PHP.
True, but where it is it has a solid base of mathematics (and other things) so still fits what I wrote above about "real engineers", at least according to IEEE who are more worthy to listen to than I.
Someone teaching themselves PHP and having a few hundred hours of coding experience is closer to individual basket weaving than taking part in an engineering project. Sure, they can do some nice web pages, but eventually something they could handle better if they crack open a few books is going to turn up.
There was an article on profanity here just in the last week. Sometimes it is the thing you have to use to be taken seriously.
Doesn't the line you quoted more accurately convey complete and utter contempt than a polite phrase?
Why does it matter? The American kids like that slang so that's why I used it.
You did not point out what you see as an error Crash.
Disappointing. All you have is spamming and stock phrases. Why bother to comment at all?
It's very likely I've read more about that than you ever had before you were born, especially based on your criticism without foundation. My Scout leader was in the British Royal Navy at Suez so I've been interested in that issue for a very long time.
Admit it - you are just attempting to play the man instead of the ball just like last time are you not? The actual issue does not appear to matter to you, just someone to shout at.
Linux is not a GNU project. That's why not.
Back before every computer/tablet etc users were using was behind NAT we had point to point video and audio. Skype is the hack to have someone in the middle to act as a proxy between to endpoints between NAT.
Now that IPv6 is finally starting to spread we just need something like those many point to point video and audio programs. It's no longer such a difficult problem and there are many open source projects already delivering in that space.
If you see any form of government as you enemy you are clearly not.
But neither are you from that long discussion earlier.
Supporting the idea of a Republic where people get to vote makes me that? Good to know.
Don't go writing any dictionaries.
Hasn't stopped you before Crash and perhaps you should try try it on this one.
This is like talking to an Eliza bot - you've gone and told me I am not correct about something but not pointed out what it is - utterly fucking useless. It's clearly just one of your stock insults.
I know a sentence there is long but getting to the end of it or at least the words "even isolationists" before replying is the polite thing to do. The rockets make it popular to oppose the idiots setting off rockets - thus counterproductive.
I've already had the misfortune of reading some Rand after people on this site went on about it so I'd probably rather chew my own arm off before reading more SF written to push an ideology.
I'll take your word for it.
FFS - those who want to model the real world need to be able to pick up a bit of mathematics somewhere.
That's why in my workplace we have actual engineers churning out shitty code instead of CS graduates who could produce wonderful and efficient code if they had some clue where to start. If you can't even answer the question "what's a fourier transform?" then you are doomed to attempt to solve many problems in ways that will take orders of magnitude more time than really shitty code from someone who can.
You don't have to start with it, but if you don't pick up a bit of mathematics along the way in something that is a very mathematical field you will be very limited in what you can do.
Typo should be "biased towards"
Good point - the free market is biased between the quick solutions whether they are better in the long run or not, plus it tends to concentrate in places where profit is highest. Without government involvement we wouldn't have nukes and just about every farm and small town would still be dark just as it was more than fifty years after Edison lit up a profitable part of New York.
He's not that. He's an anarchist who goes as far as saying you should be able to break any contract so long as it's to your advantage. Government of any kind expects people to play by rules so is automatically his enemy so you are not going to convince him.
I used quotes on "right" about because there are so many people that label themselves that way who are not really advocating for anything, they just oppose whatever they see another group doing. They are the ones pushing capitulation instead of compromise while an actual conservative is typically more interested in results than stupid fucking ego games. A conservative would allow an abortion in the case where a doctor says that otherwise both mother and baby would die, but a reactionary who is nothing but against the "left" would say "rules is rules - both die".
Often the "compromise" wanted is complete capitulation so the people who see themselves firmly on the "right" can appear "strong".
Stupid fucking games instead of trying to run something properly. Edge cases on minor issues getting attention just to deliberately start a fight instead of actual governance.
In a lot of cases it's not "left" or "right" but huge fucking egos trying to turkey slap everyone just to prove they have balls.
Or at least Trump goes around telling people he's the best fuck.
I thought "Idoicracy" was supposed to be a satire.
Look overseas and it's not so ridiculous all the time either. The amount of utter hate in the last few elections in the USA has been exceptional. All those people who wanted to use the "N" word with Obama, Trump being Trump and Baby Bush after a few people started to work out that the Iraq war was nothing but a personal vanity project with a death toll. That's not normal in the US or anywhere. People said they hated Bill Clinton, but compared with Obama and Trump it was just annoyance.
I'm calling them ineffective because they are actively harming the Palestinian cause, providing an excuse for retalatory airstrikes and the psychos who launch those old missiles don't even get the bloodthirsty satisfaction of killing people.
As for those "large amounts", it comes out of US military aid and helps reinforce the aid supply (which is not going to be cut off as long as those rockets keep flying). "Defending against terrorist rockets" is a pretty damned good reason to help out another country and even isolationists are going to think twice about cutting off that aid.
Meanwhile our "friends" in Saudi Arabia are paying for these rockets.
Thank you.
As I wrote above and you missed "we are talking seriously way out SF stuff here".
Of course it makes a LOT more sense to start with a small one that is closer or on it's way past in the first place, but we are talking seriously way out SF stuff here if we are talking about needing planetoids worth of minerals. By the time we need that much stuff we'll probably be ready to set up processing onsite in the asteroid belt instead of moving something so huge.
On Earth our biggest problem is the ores are normally metal oxides that need to be reduced, and that typically requires both a lot of heat and a serious reducing agent. Some of these asteroids have stuff in a metallic state instead of oxidised so there is a lot less to do. You've heard of "sky-iron" swords and daggers? It's not just myth, Tutenkamen had one, a nickel rich iron dagger forged directly from a chunk of meterorite (just heated to red hot and hammered into shape) - I think it's in the British Museum.
Not quite "baloney" if you also look at it the other way of having a resource that could be dragged into orbit if you want to build stuff in space instead of having to drag it all the way up from Earth at the cost of vast amounts of fuel. If it could be used that way it's the equivalent of spending shitloads in cash.
Otherwise, yes, file it with a snake with poison strong enough to kill five elephants in a single bite under silly metrics since it's not getting to the ground to be sold.
However journalists like that sort of extrapolation.
At least this time it wasn't in Volkswagens or Libraries of Congress.
It depends how you define it. They certainly gave him very large bank loans that we do know of. That isn't a contribution (unless it gets written off some time in the future) but the other banks were very reluctant.
He was funded by a lot of Russian cash but there is nothing illegal about that. So the Russians did help and he does literally owe them a great deal. So long as it is paid back in cash and not some special favors it's not a problem, but people are worried that it's going to be special favors. It's not a good look for a leader of a country.