This protection should be opt in (or opt out), not just search forever for applications that MIGHT be available elsewhere.
I'm in favor of app stores because it's easier to find software much like a package management system is in open source products. However, I can't trust Google to make the right decision (and they don't include me in the discussion). Google has employees and those employees are people. They make mistakes just as you cite dumb users. There will always be dumb users; why ruin it for those of us paying attention?
Why don't you believe we're heading in the same directions for PCs? I don't think it's a big leap from steam for games to a general applications store.
How about a linux distro doing this then using their package management software? That IS like a store of sorts.
I think the point is that we don't control the software on our phones, tablets, or ebook readers. It's not just a licensing problem anymore, we actually have little say in what gets installed/uninstalled on our mobile computing devices.
Let's turn this a bit. Imagine you installed Firefox in Windows and Microsoft removed it per their terms of service. (they are trying to rent software these days or put it.. in the cloud). They decided Firefox was out of date and insecure. Poof. If Microsoft (or apple) removed software that was free but something you thought had value, wouldn't it piss you off? Cost is irrelevant. It's not the cost of the software, but the value of the software to the user. Otherwise, something like Linux would be useless. What if Microsoft removed a Linux install? One can say the software is malware, but the next one might not be.
If you don't like my software analogy, consider buying a new PC from Dell. Imagine Dell removing Open Office because they only allow you to run Microsoft office per the purchase agreement for the hardware. Does that make sense?
We're asked to think of smart phones and these new tables as computing devices. As such, I expect the same freedoms for installing software on these devices that I have on my PC or Mac.
Google should have created a feature to notify/ask the user about removing the application on their phone. There's a big difference between warning someone and just deleting something.
To me it's irrelevant they were free applications. I don't care if a book or an app are free or I paid $10 for them.. don't delete stuff on my phone or ebook reader.
False positives. In order for this to be effective, one would have to come up with fingerprints of attacks. If someone's normal activity happened to be similar and triggered it, then their system gets attacked by yours.
The other problem is that there are new attacks everyday and it would get harder and harder to have effective counter attacks. Pretty soon every mail server on the internet will be attacking each other. It's just silly.
What if the attacker is using another system they already exploited? You're then hacking into someone else's computer and they very well could press charges.
TCO is silly. If you're going to argue they should go to Microsoft to be popular, then they have to use IE and Office too. That means they need antivirus software. That means they need people to clean up viruses all day. That is not cheaper. It's probably about the same actually.
Give me a break. I have many coworkers who are Mac users at home. They have no problems using the WIndows XP boxes at work. You have to tell them not to double click on everything because it's an unclean platform, like a hooker. Safety first.
I'm glad they're using Macs over systems running WIndows. They might not know it, but they're on UNIX systems. It's a good start. Maybe next we can get them on a free system running Linux or *BSD.
Apple's the "other" platform right now; training youth on a non-microsoft product trades in one monopoly for another, but we're a long way out from that happening. (I'm not debating the hardware lock)
I don't think it's right they are forcing parents to buy computers. The borrow option won't hold up long when the kid is failing because they can't work at home.
From my perspective, there is one critical flaw with Linux. i recently tried to deploy a cheap server at work. We were on a tight budget and had to go with the onboard raid control on an asus motherboard (core i5). We tried three different linux distros and none of them could handle the fake raid properly in the installer. It was possible with some work to get it to work, but it wasn't worth the trouble. I had it up on FreeBSD in 5 minutes after going through suse, debian and ubuntu (granted the last two are the same except ubuntu is missing raid scripts debian has)
I realize that fake raid is not a enterprise grade thing but it's quite useful in newer desktops with SSDs using low capacity or with cheap servers trying to do mirroring.
Sometimes the 20 different ways to do something on hundreds of distros is a blessing, but other times it just means nothing works.
I can only speak to FreeBSD and MidnightBSD. There are problems with the NFS implementation in these systems. Loss of network connectivity can make your kernel panic if you try to access the mount point, memory leaks (recent discussion on freebsd mailings lists), etc. The FreeBSD community has been working on it, but it's not in line with Solaris or Linux AFAIK. I've read that OpenBSD interoperates better with other systems on the NFS front, but I don't know first hand.
"The people who create the apps serve at the landlord's pleasure and fear his anger." -- There's an app for that.
I guess I'll start caring about google's phones when they decide to target men AND women. Their ads are clearly for men and it's not like I can convince my wife to get one. It's just too convenient having the same phone.
Bad habits can be formed in any language. I've seen bad Perl, Python, C, C++, Visual Basic, BASIC, sparc assembly,...
You can teach someone to program, but it's hard to teach them to do it well just like anything else in life. They have to see value in doing things correctly. They have to want to comment their code, to format it, to name variables in a logical way, etc.
I worked with several computers growing up including a Commodore PET, Apple IIe, Commodore 64, and was exposed to BASIC. I had a class on BASIC in 8th grade and another in community college (2001). They used BASIC to teach control structures, basic sorting, etc. It worked well for new students (to programming) because the language constructs were simple and didn't get in the way. Conversely, when I started working on my bachelors degree, the university started with C++. Almost every class used C++. Many students were confused at first.
My wife started with JavaScript at her college and then moved to C++. I think it went much better there because they started with a language students could actually see benefit to. If you can code something simple and add it to your website, it makes it a whole lot easier to learn. (yes, it's scary we're both programmers)
I taught myself VBScript and Visual Basic before college because I wanted to do classic ASP development. I wrote VB ActiveX dlls to wrap functionality for speed, etc. I didn't get the hang of writing gui apps right away, but the usefulness allowed me to learn a lot about the language. Student interest is more important than any language you choose to teach with. You need to come up with interesting projects.
First, you teach them how to program and then you teach them why you do things the way you do. You also teach them the skills to learn new languages or it's a waste of time.
The laptop hunter ads were the first Microsoft ads that seemed to be on par with Apple's in terms of attack strength, but I don't think they resonated. It made me feel like I was forced to buy Microsoft products because they were a monopoly. It was really a reminder of the lock they have on the market for me.
Apple's ads try to make it "fun" to own a Mac. In my opinion, Microsoft needs to focus on what you can do with Windows. Apple does not do that beyond their iStuff. Push Office. Bring back Windows gaming. Microsoft won't push gaming because it hurts the xbox sales. They really need to understand their different markets. I play completely different games on a PC (or Mac) than I do a console. Microsoft still has the business segment. They need to push that too.
On the other had, I think the Linux community could get the business market if their were a coordinated advertising and development movement. I'd like to see a distro target this market and really go after it. Apple does not seem to have interest in this market. People won't care you can't play world of warcraft on Linux (well without wine anyway) if you can get a presentation done or lookup financials. My boss has been trying ubuntu at work for a few months and he's had few problems. Virtual Box + XP fixed the two apps he couldn't run. Office and SPSS are the only apps that people use aggressively on windows in my office. We're even trying out openoffice on some systems.
Last I checked, the Great Lakes are a coastline and in the midwest. Cities like Detroit and Chicago reside there. I'd say there is a lot of people in Chicago.
How could they? They can't even count my computer usage at home. I run several operating systems on several computers. I've bought licenses to windows and mac os in the last two months. How can they *know* about my ubuntu machine at work? Seriously, people don't consider that some users run multiple operating systems. Mac users do it often with bootcamp. Some windows users also run linux or something else for real work. Windows is for gaming and itunes in my home. Occasionally I do some.NET development but that's for an open source project.
That depends on your definition of BSD. Some people look at the userland and the large amount of BSD code in Mac OS X and call that BSD. I'd say there are more than 0.01% of users that are on mac os.
I started a project to make a desktop friendly BSD operating system called MidnightBSD. There's also PC-BSD and the now defunct DesktopBSD. The new problem is that Linux folks have grown inpatient with the linux on the desktop idea. They want it now and feel that supporting other operating systems in their FOSS work is slowing linux down. A few projects have really done some serious changes to their software to make it function poorly (or not at all) on other OSes including *BSDs. Sometimes it's a lack of people to make reasonable updates to the kernels for various things like "new" video interfaces. Even things like X.org have done shifts that make hardware acceleration a real pain in the butt on BSD platforms. I've been shunned many times for trying to provide patches both for MidnightBSD and previously FreeBSD to other projects.
The FreeBSD project has had trouble getting patches upstreamed for things like GCC and binutils in the past. In general, I think many GNU projects are starting to get grumpy with respect to *BSD patches. There's a backlash with BSD developers trying to write alternatives that are under the BSD license because we must to survive. Also, you get into situations like Apple buying cups and switching to LLVM because of fear of the GPLv3. Perhaps fear is not the right word.
The open source community is not one big happy group but a series of factions that don't get along. It's a shame really.
Translation: The Internet is broken. Let's just flush the tubes and start over. Seriously, I'd like to see a security researcher design a website that is both useful and secure that takes user input besides numbers. It is impossible to secure a blogging or social media site and offer any of the features users expect.
I can answer this one, time. The more time developers spend administering yet another system, the less they get actually working on their open source project.
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An 800Mhz G4 can handle Mac OS 10.3 or 10.4. You could have gotten an ebay upgrade and kept the system in service for awhile longer.
according to google, his presentation was a hoax.
I beg to differ. I don't have time to run yum on my phone because of all the other geeky stuff I do! At least one device has to work in my home.
This protection should be opt in (or opt out), not just search forever for applications that MIGHT be available elsewhere.
I'm in favor of app stores because it's easier to find software much like a package management system is in open source products. However, I can't trust Google to make the right decision (and they don't include me in the discussion). Google has employees and those employees are people. They make mistakes just as you cite dumb users. There will always be dumb users; why ruin it for those of us paying attention?
I was trying to say this sort of thing should not be in the "contract" to begin with. People accepting the terms is the problem. We won't go back.
Why don't you believe we're heading in the same directions for PCs? I don't think it's a big leap from steam for games to a general applications store.
How about a linux distro doing this then using their package management software? That IS like a store of sorts.
I think the point is that we don't control the software on our phones, tablets, or ebook readers. It's not just a licensing problem anymore, we actually have little say in what gets installed/uninstalled on our mobile computing devices.
Let's turn this a bit. Imagine you installed Firefox in Windows and Microsoft removed it per their terms of service. (they are trying to rent software these days or put it.. in the cloud). They decided Firefox was out of date and insecure. Poof. If Microsoft (or apple) removed software that was free but something you thought had value, wouldn't it piss you off? Cost is irrelevant. It's not the cost of the software, but the value of the software to the user. Otherwise, something like Linux would be useless. What if Microsoft removed a Linux install? One can say the software is malware, but the next one might not be.
If you don't like my software analogy, consider buying a new PC from Dell. Imagine Dell removing Open Office because they only allow you to run Microsoft office per the purchase agreement for the hardware. Does that make sense?
We're asked to think of smart phones and these new tables as computing devices. As such, I expect the same freedoms for installing software on these devices that I have on my PC or Mac.
Google should have created a feature to notify/ask the user about removing the application on their phone. There's a big difference between warning someone and just deleting something.
To me it's irrelevant they were free applications. I don't care if a book or an app are free or I paid $10 for them.. don't delete stuff on my phone or ebook reader.
False positives. In order for this to be effective, one would have to come up with fingerprints of attacks. If someone's normal activity happened to be similar and triggered it, then their system gets attacked by yours.
The other problem is that there are new attacks everyday and it would get harder and harder to have effective counter attacks. Pretty soon every mail server on the internet will be attacking each other. It's just silly.
What if the attacker is using another system they already exploited? You're then hacking into someone else's computer and they very well could press charges.
TCO is silly. If you're going to argue they should go to Microsoft to be popular, then they have to use IE and Office too. That means they need antivirus software. That means they need people to clean up viruses all day. That is not cheaper. It's probably about the same actually.
Give me a break. I have many coworkers who are Mac users at home. They have no problems using the WIndows XP boxes at work. You have to tell them not to double click on everything because it's an unclean platform, like a hooker. Safety first.
I'm glad they're using Macs over systems running WIndows. They might not know it, but they're on UNIX systems. It's a good start. Maybe next we can get them on a free system running Linux or *BSD.
Apple's the "other" platform right now; training youth on a non-microsoft product trades in one monopoly for another, but we're a long way out from that happening. (I'm not debating the hardware lock)
I don't think it's right they are forcing parents to buy computers. The borrow option won't hold up long when the kid is failing because they can't work at home.
From my perspective, there is one critical flaw with Linux. i recently tried to deploy a cheap server at work. We were on a tight budget and had to go with the onboard raid control on an asus motherboard (core i5). We tried three different linux distros and none of them could handle the fake raid properly in the installer. It was possible with some work to get it to work, but it wasn't worth the trouble. I had it up on FreeBSD in 5 minutes after going through suse, debian and ubuntu (granted the last two are the same except ubuntu is missing raid scripts debian has)
I realize that fake raid is not a enterprise grade thing but it's quite useful in newer desktops with SSDs using low capacity or with cheap servers trying to do mirroring.
Sometimes the 20 different ways to do something on hundreds of distros is a blessing, but other times it just means nothing works.
I can only speak to FreeBSD and MidnightBSD. There are problems with the NFS implementation in these systems. Loss of network connectivity can make your kernel panic if you try to access the mount point, memory leaks (recent discussion on freebsd mailings lists), etc. The FreeBSD community has been working on it, but it's not in line with Solaris or Linux AFAIK. I've read that OpenBSD interoperates better with other systems on the NFS front, but I don't know first hand.
"The people who create the apps serve at the landlord's pleasure and fear his anger." -- There's an app for that.
I guess I'll start caring about google's phones when they decide to target men AND women. Their ads are clearly for men and it's not like I can convince my wife to get one. It's just too convenient having the same phone.
Bad habits can be formed in any language. I've seen bad Perl, Python, C, C++, Visual Basic, BASIC, sparc assembly, ...
You can teach someone to program, but it's hard to teach them to do it well just like anything else in life. They have to see value in doing things correctly. They have to want to comment their code, to format it, to name variables in a logical way, etc.
I worked with several computers growing up including a Commodore PET, Apple IIe, Commodore 64, and was exposed to BASIC. I had a class on BASIC in 8th grade and another in community college (2001). They used BASIC to teach control structures, basic sorting, etc. It worked well for new students (to programming) because the language constructs were simple and didn't get in the way. Conversely, when I started working on my bachelors degree, the university started with C++. Almost every class used C++. Many students were confused at first.
My wife started with JavaScript at her college and then moved to C++. I think it went much better there because they started with a language students could actually see benefit to. If you can code something simple and add it to your website, it makes it a whole lot easier to learn. (yes, it's scary we're both programmers)
I taught myself VBScript and Visual Basic before college because I wanted to do classic ASP development. I wrote VB ActiveX dlls to wrap functionality for speed, etc. I didn't get the hang of writing gui apps right away, but the usefulness allowed me to learn a lot about the language. Student interest is more important than any language you choose to teach with. You need to come up with interesting projects.
First, you teach them how to program and then you teach them why you do things the way you do. You also teach them the skills to learn new languages or it's a waste of time.
The laptop hunter ads were the first Microsoft ads that seemed to be on par with Apple's in terms of attack strength, but I don't think they resonated. It made me feel like I was forced to buy Microsoft products because they were a monopoly. It was really a reminder of the lock they have on the market for me.
Apple's ads try to make it "fun" to own a Mac. In my opinion, Microsoft needs to focus on what you can do with Windows. Apple does not do that beyond their iStuff. Push Office. Bring back Windows gaming. Microsoft won't push gaming because it hurts the xbox sales. They really need to understand their different markets. I play completely different games on a PC (or Mac) than I do a console. Microsoft still has the business segment. They need to push that too.
On the other had, I think the Linux community could get the business market if their were a coordinated advertising and development movement. I'd like to see a distro target this market and really go after it. Apple does not seem to have interest in this market. People won't care you can't play world of warcraft on Linux (well without wine anyway) if you can get a presentation done or lookup financials. My boss has been trying ubuntu at work for a few months and he's had few problems. Virtual Box + XP fixed the two apps he couldn't run. Office and SPSS are the only apps that people use aggressively on windows in my office. We're even trying out openoffice on some systems.
Last I checked, the Great Lakes are a coastline and in the midwest. Cities like Detroit and Chicago reside there. I'd say there is a lot of people in Chicago.
How could they? They can't even count my computer usage at home. I run several operating systems on several computers. I've bought licenses to windows and mac os in the last two months. How can they *know* about my ubuntu machine at work? Seriously, people don't consider that some users run multiple operating systems. Mac users do it often with bootcamp. Some windows users also run linux or something else for real work. Windows is for gaming and itunes in my home. Occasionally I do some .NET development but that's for an open source project.
My boss runs ubuntu on his thinkpad. He is not in IT. I've also seen several older eee pcs running Linux around town.
That depends on your definition of BSD. Some people look at the userland and the large amount of BSD code in Mac OS X and call that BSD. I'd say there are more than 0.01% of users that are on mac os.
I started a project to make a desktop friendly BSD operating system called MidnightBSD. There's also PC-BSD and the now defunct DesktopBSD. The new problem is that Linux folks have grown inpatient with the linux on the desktop idea. They want it now and feel that supporting other operating systems in their FOSS work is slowing linux down. A few projects have really done some serious changes to their software to make it function poorly (or not at all) on other OSes including *BSDs. Sometimes it's a lack of people to make reasonable updates to the kernels for various things like "new" video interfaces. Even things like X.org have done shifts that make hardware acceleration a real pain in the butt on BSD platforms. I've been shunned many times for trying to provide patches both for MidnightBSD and previously FreeBSD to other projects.
The FreeBSD project has had trouble getting patches upstreamed for things like GCC and binutils in the past. In general, I think many GNU projects are starting to get grumpy with respect to *BSD patches. There's a backlash with BSD developers trying to write alternatives that are under the BSD license because we must to survive. Also, you get into situations like Apple buying cups and switching to LLVM because of fear of the GPLv3. Perhaps fear is not the right word.
The open source community is not one big happy group but a series of factions that don't get along. It's a shame really.
Cut off the whole country. They don't want Google in their country.. it can be arranged.
Translation: The Internet is broken. Let's just flush the tubes and start over. Seriously, I'd like to see a security researcher design a website that is both useful and secure that takes user input besides numbers. It is impossible to secure a blogging or social media site and offer any of the features users expect.
I can answer this one, time. The more time developers spend administering yet another system, the less they get actually working on their open source project.