There is just no other way of providing native OSX or win32 servers!
Are you implying that intercepting the DirectX or the OpenGL command stream is not a legitimate way? There are always different ways to do something, until one comes up with a better way. After that everything becomes obvious. About ditching X, I don't remember NoMachine to have ever been very active in the X development. Maybe they had come to the same conclusions long time before, but, you know, X was what was used on Linux...
even where the delta compression algorithm wasn't even theirs to begin with...
This seems a bit unfair for people that, with their open source work, sparked at least a dozen of clones. Anyway if you are talking about dxpc, the compression NX is famous for has little to do with the original dxpc differential compression and is all about caching, that was completely novel and absent in dxpc.
what makes OnLive and Shield usable is the low-latency/high-quality video achieved through hardware assisted encoding (and xpra does this too), NX does not do that AFAICT.
I don't know what the secret sauce is, but AFAICT it is quite usable here. Fortunately now that xpra, NoMachine, OnLive and NVidia have all settled on the same technology we'll see who will provide the best solution. I think a remote display system is much more than encoding the display, so there is probably space for everybody. I just don't think one should badmouth other software to push the solution one likes more.
Do you have any proof of that?
AFAIK there is very little remained in NX about the original X Window roots. They have ditched X completely even before Wayland developers decided to do it. While they have terminal servers for Linux that use X, the new version works on windows and mac and uses video encoding everywhere. This is no different compared to what OnLive or the NVidia Shield are doing.
Including the NX client (http://www.nomachine.com) makes a lot of sense. You can now boot Knoppix and have ready access to any remote NX server on the net. A nice addition in corporate environments looking for a Citrix alternative.
Use something like NX and you get a very fast and cheap X or Windows RDP terminal.
NX ebuilds for Gentoo have been made available by Stuart Herbert. A NX client version also exists for the original Linux distribution that comes bundled with the Sony Linux Kit.
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I can easily say that there is not comparison between the two. I know it's difficult to believe. A lot of people to whom I spoke about the project were hesitant, especially because of the commercial stuff. That happened until they tried themselves. At least for myself, NX did put a different light on what X can do.
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I agree that text-mode can be very handy in some circumstances, but I think that more research should be devoted to improve X. I was a mlview-dxpc supporter and now I use NX, that has superseded the old project (http://www.nomachine.com). I can run GNOME from home, connected to my computer at office through an old 28.8 pcmcia modem. Here are some statistics:
NX is a free client+commercial server. Server is very cheap, compared to Citrix and uses X-Window as underlying protocol. Server compresses the X traffic down to the client to an extent that you never thought it was possible. The compression and X stuff are GPL while some parts are closed source. I don't care much, as the alternative would be MS+Citrix. There is a document explaining how compression is working (http://www.nomachine.com/doc_NX-XProtocolCompress ion.php).
The client for Windows includes an X server based on the Cygwin port of XFree86. It is slower than many commercial X servers for Win32 I tried in the past, but it's free and quite "standard".
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Replying to myself because the OpenGL link is wrong. I meant this.
There is just no other way of providing native OSX or win32 servers!
Are you implying that intercepting the DirectX or the OpenGL command stream is not a legitimate way? There are always different ways to do something, until one comes up with a better way. After that everything becomes obvious. About ditching X, I don't remember NoMachine to have ever been very active in the X development. Maybe they had come to the same conclusions long time before, but, you know, X was what was used on Linux...
even where the delta compression algorithm wasn't even theirs to begin with...
This seems a bit unfair for people that, with their open source work, sparked at least a dozen of clones. Anyway if you are talking about dxpc, the compression NX is famous for has little to do with the original dxpc differential compression and is all about caching, that was completely novel and absent in dxpc.
what makes OnLive and Shield usable is the low-latency/high-quality video achieved through hardware assisted encoding (and xpra does this too), NX does not do that AFAICT.
I don't know what the secret sauce is, but AFAICT it is quite usable here. Fortunately now that xpra, NoMachine, OnLive and NVidia have all settled on the same technology we'll see who will provide the best solution. I think a remote display system is much more than encoding the display, so there is probably space for everybody. I just don't think one should badmouth other software to push the solution one likes more.
Do you have any proof of that? AFAIK there is very little remained in NX about the original X Window roots. They have ditched X completely even before Wayland developers decided to do it. While they have terminal servers for Linux that use X, the new version works on windows and mac and uses video encoding everywhere. This is no different compared to what OnLive or the NVidia Shield are doing.
Mandrake is also including it in the upcoming 10. See MandrakeLinux 10.
Including the NX client (http://www.nomachine.com) makes a lot of sense. You can now boot Knoppix and have ready access to any remote NX server on the net. A nice addition in corporate environments looking for a Citrix alternative.
NX ebuilds for Gentoo have been made available by Stuart Herbert. A NX client version also exists for the original Linux distribution that comes bundled with the Sony Linux Kit.
I can easily say that there is not comparison between the two. I know it's difficult to believe. A lot of people to whom I spoke about the project were hesitant, especially because of the commercial stuff. That happened until they tried themselves. At least for myself, NX did put a different light on what X can do.
I agree that text-mode can be very handy in some circumstances, but I think that more research should be devoted to improve X. I was a mlview-dxpc supporter and now I use NX, that has superseded the old project (http://www.nomachine.com). I can run GNOME from home, connected to my computer at office through an old 28.8 pcmcia modem. Here are some statistics:
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The client for Windows includes an X server based on the Cygwin port of XFree86. It is slower than many commercial X servers for Win32 I tried in the past, but it's free and quite "standard".
1019 B/s average, 1966 B/s 5s, 1050 B/s 30s, 2954 B/s maximum.
NX Compression Summary
link: MODEM with protocol compression enabled.
images: 22097472 bytes (21580 KB) packed to 2431560 (2375 KB).
Images compression ratio is 9.088:1.
overall: 25101152 bytes (24513 KB) in, 448863 bytes (438 KB) out.
Overall NX server compression ratio is 55.922:1.
NX is a free client+commercial server. Server is very cheap, compared to Citrix and uses X-Window as underlying protocol. Server compresses the X traffic down to the client to an extent that you never thought it was possible. The compression and X stuff are GPL while some parts are closed source. I don't care much, as the alternative would be MS+Citrix. There is a document explaining how compression is working (http://www.nomachine.com/doc_NX-XProtocolCompres