Knoppix v3.4 Hits The Mirrors

zxflash writes "SolidZ.com reports the latest update to KNOPPIX; the popular Linux based OS has just been released. Version 3.4 includes the version 2.6.5 Linux Kernel and improved hardware detection. It can be downloaded from one of the mirrors listed on the KNOPPIX homepage..." rduke15 adds "Koffice has been dropped for space reasons, as well as LaTex. From the forum: 'Download using bittorrent tracker at http://torrent.unix-ag.uni-kl.de:6969/. Remember: Leave your bittorrent client running after the download is finished!' And this is the complete list of included packages."

Comments

Mirrors for the torrent files

[eaglebtc]

The site in the article is already getting slow, so I mirrored the .torrent files.

Knoppix 3.4 Deutsch
Knoppix 3.4 English

Re:Mirrors for the torrent files

[Anonymous Coward]

whore! next time, post as an anonymous coward and leave your name for the sig.

Re:Mirrors for the torrent files

[Anonymous Coward]

sorry, it's not getting slow at all.

it's obvious the parent had that ready before the article was even posted to the non-subscribed crowd. Sorry karma whore.

Re:Mirrors for the torrent files

[brewin]

The mirror in the parent is already getting slow, so I mirrored the mirror of the .torrent files.

Knoppix 3.4 Deutsch
Knoppix 3.4 English

Re:Mirrors for the torrent files

[GNAA Goat-See]

Erm, why would you mirror torrent files. You can just go to the tracker and hit "DL" to get them.

see the pretty "dl" links?

Re:Mirrors for the torrent files

[prockcore]

crackmonkey mods...

hey, i mirrored them too! here they are:

Knoppix 3.4 Deutsch
Knoppix 3.4 English

Where's my +5 informative?

Re:Mirrors for the torrent files

[Anonymous Coward]

please moderators do your job. The site is not slow at all. An obvious karma whore (SECOND POST subscriber! he had his post ready before the article was even posted!)

Re:Mirrors for the torrent files

[Anonymous Coward]

The mirror in the parent is already getting slow, so I mirrored the mirror of the mirror of the .torrent files.

Knoppix 3.4 Deutsch
Knoppix 3.4 English

Re:Mirrors for the torrent files

[Anonymous Coward]

I translated them, then mirrored them.

scinobE 4.3 xipponK
ilihawS 4.3 xipponK

Re:Mirrors for the torrent files

[Anonymous Coward]

Is it wise to mod down a paying subscriber?

Re:Mirrors for the torrent files

[Anonymous Coward]

Is it wise to mod down a paying subscriber?

Why? Do you think Taco, in a desparate attempt to maintain revenue, is going to track me down and shoot me for it?

Re:Mirrors for the torrent files

[Anonymous Coward]

No, but he might chop off your hand.

Better watch your back

Lefty

Re:Mirrors for the torrent files

[Anonymous Coward]

Too bad the tracker is refusing connections... peh

Re:Mirrors for the torrent files

[Anonymous Coward]

crackmonkey mods...

or to be more precise, crackmonkey anti-slash mods.

May bring me back to linux

[Anonymous Coward]

I have not used Linux in about 9 months. Why? Games. Resume needs to be in .doc format that can be read by MS Word, as well as some hardware I have that just works in Windows.

I had used linux for about 5 years prior to that. I was becoming disenchanted for a bit. But knoppix has impressed me with this run-from-cd. I am so impressed that I think Linux may need to make a comeback to my desktop (always welcome on my servers).

Re:May bring me back to linux

[SphericalCrusher]

Why not use WineX? Through that, you can actually RUN games on Linux, as well as all of your other software. Oh, and I don't see why you're bitching about saving files as .doc -- Open Office does that...

Re:May bring me back to linux

[rolocroz]

It's easy to create Word documents in Linux.

Re:May bring me back to linux

[Neil Blender]

I have not used Linux in about 9 months. Why? Games.

I gave up Windows completely a year ago (except TurboTax on my wife's laptop.) Guess what? I smoke a hell of a lot less pot and spend at lot less time on the computer overall. Why? Same reason. Games.

Re:May bring me back to linux

[Anonymous Coward]

I don't understanding the thinking of why one would choose a computer platform with one of the determining factors as game selection.

My solution, I use my computer (OS X) to get stuff done while I use my game console to play all the recent games for only 200+ dollars rather then 2000+ for a G5.

Re:May bring me back to linux

[kidgenius]

Why not submit your resume in PDF format? It'll be smaller, uneditable, and almost everyone has a PDF viewer of some kind. Note: These are all from my own personal experience.

Re:May bring me back to linux

[Anonymous Coward]

because, "kid genius", most places DEMAND that it be in MS word format. I fyou think making your lame software political statement when getting hired is going to take you places, well look no farther than McD.

Re:May bring me back to linux

[entitude]

WineX and Crossover really do work - try them.

Re:May bring me back to linux

[lkaos]

You ran linux for 5 years, gave it up b/c 1) you needed to play games (what did you do for the previous 5 years?) and 2) you couldn't get abiword/open office to save a .doc file (File => Save As... not so hard).

Yet being a hardened Linux veteran, Knoppix, which comes with the same X server and abiword/open office as every other distro has switched you back?

Ok, I'm calling shennigans. When you said "I had used linux" did you really mean "I had linux installed on a secondary partion and booted into it once a year when I wanted to be 1337"?

Re:May bring me back to linux

[Anonymous Coward]

"Almost Everyone" didn't include our HR department when I checked. In fact they will delete your PDF file because IT told them not open strange attachments.

Better solution is to make a HTML resume and rename it to .DOC. Nobody will be any wiser.

Re:May bring me back to linux

[Anonymous Coward]

My CV/resume is in pdf format, and I have sent it to about 100 companies and recruiters. The only place to complain was Disney, who (of course) wanted it in msword format. That was about a year ago. It doesn't make sense to me to go buy this software and maintain 2 copies of my resume for 1% of potential employers.

Re:May bring me back to linux

[harikiri]

I wanted to go that route a while back. This way I could be guaranteed that my resume would appear well-formatted irrespective of what platform/viewer someone used to look at it with.

Unfortunately, guess what - recruiters (that I've dealt with) only want msword documents . There are two reasons for this:

• 1) They don't like you leaving any personal contact details in your resume, in case their client decides to interface with your directly. They therefore edit any of that stuff out and put their own letterhead on your resume. They may also "touch it up" so that it appears more attractive to the client.

• 2) Recruitment agencies have to deal with hundreds of resumes. Instead of having to deal with all manner of resume formats (hardcopy, wordperfect, msword, rtf, and pdf) they standardise on msword. They are then stored in a database that lets them search for appropriate candidates based on keywords.

Every time I've submitted it in pdf format they've asked for it in word. You can't win. :(

Re:May bring me back to linux

[nolife]

You think that would work but oddly, it does not. I used to send resume.RTF and resume.PDF, I had quite a few requests to resend it in MS Word format. Now I send plain text email with the same damn resume.RTF file but renamed to resume.DOC as an attachment and paste an acsii text version of the resume in the body and no one complains. A common reply to this is if they can not figure out an RTF file why would you even want to work there, well a resume does not normally get sent directly to the IT department or your immediate potential boss, and a headhunter, recruiter or an HR employee is NOT always good with computers.

Word of caution (no pun intended), regardless of what extension you decide to use (RTF or DOC), make sure your RTF actually looks good when opened with Word. I don't know under what circumstances it happens but I've seen MS Word do strange things to RTF files that were not created or last edited with MS Word. Be careful with that "hidden" MS Word metadata too ;)

Re:May bring me back to linux

[kidgenius]

It's not a political statement at all. I could care less about the fact that DOC is an MS format. If I was trying to make a statement, I'd send it out in SXW format and tell them that if they can't view it, then they need to get the appropriate viewer. It's merely one way of completely insuring that my resume will look a certain way, no matter how somebody chooses to view it. I've sent my resume out in PDF format and I have not received a single complaint.

Re:May bring me back to linux

[Hatta]

I gave up Windows completely a year ago (except TurboTax on my wife's laptop.) Guess what? I smoke a hell of a lot less pot and spend at lot less time on the computer overall. Why? Same reason. Games.

Wait, I'm confused. Are you pro- or anti- linux?

Re:May bring me back to linux

[RLiegh]

Have you ever tried opening files saved as .doc under OO using MS office? I have, and it's ok for simple documents, but not for files I actually have to present to my boss.

Re:May bring me back to linux

[ansible]

Why not submit your resume in PDF format? It'll be smaller, uneditable, and almost everyone has a PDF viewer of some kind.

Uneditable? I used to think so too. Then someone showed me what a modern image editor can do...

Dunno which version of PDF file it was, and I don't remember the image editor (prolly was Photoshop).

It's official though. You've been warned.

Re:May bring me back to linux

[Anonymous Coward]

One time I sent my resume in pdf, and they reply an e-mail saying that they can't open my file and only accept "zip, doc, and pdf".

I double checked the pdf that I attached, and it was readable in Acrobat Reader 5 (Win & Mac) and xpdf.

I guess the idiots at the HR just don't know how to open pdf.

If I was the boss, those idiots should be fired long time ago.

Re:May bring me back to linux

[Master of Transhuman]

Complaint?

Did you get an INTERVIEW?

Did you get a JOB?

Of course no employer is going to spend two seconds telling you your resume was submitted in an inappropriate format.

The question is: did they scan it (many of them use document scanners - not the physical kind, software) - into their resume database?

Anecdotal evidence.

Worthless.

Re:May bring me back to linux

[be-fan]

Definitely depends on your experience. I play games on my PS2 and Gamecube (Xenosaga rocks!), my resume (and all my documents) are PDFs, and I just spent 6 hours fussing with a wireless USB dongle in Windows (still doesn't work) that took 15 minutes to get working in Linux.

Re:May bring me back to linux

[Enucite]

Who says you're limited to only one platform?
Use Windows for games, Linux for servers, and OS X for anything else.

I tried the one platform + consoles theory for a couple years... it didn't work for me. It actually ended up being much more expensive.

Maybe if consoles start using a keyboard and mouse for interface (I can't stand playing a FPS with a controller) and allow you to downloads mods and/or extentions then I'd be all for consoles as my primary platform for gaming.

Right now the RPGs, FPSs, and MMGs are simply a better experience on a computer. They usually have better graphics and almost always have a greater replay value. Morrowind is a great example of this. Made for the Xbox, but the gameplay is so much better on the PC thanks to player-created modules. I couldn't play it for more than a few days on Xbox, but on the PC I've been playing it now for a couple months.

Now the price issue... With consoles I found I was spending $100-$150 per month on games to keep busy. On the other hand, with a PC, I spend $0-$60 per month on games. At that rate, after 6 months I can afford to put together a new computer. And that's not even taking into account the cost of the console and accessories.

But you're buying more games for the console than the PC, so you've got more replay value, right? Well, let's compare the games I've bought in the last year...
I've bought 6 PC games + 3 expansions, I'm still playing 4 of the games. On the console? I've bought somewhere between 20-25 and there's maybe 2 or 3 I still enjoy playing occasionally.

I'm sorry, but for any serious gamer, a PC is a much better deal. That said, consoles are worth the price for party games alone--assuming you have a few friends to play with.

But then again, you were talking about a Mac. Do yourself a favor and spend $700 to make a decent game system running Windows.

I'm typing this from my iBook and I love Macs.
I loathe Windows for any desktop work and really don't like it for servers. However, as much as I hate it, Windows doesn't suck for gaming. That's all my Windows box does... it never loads the explorer shell.

Re:May bring me back to linux

[Anonymous Coward]

PDF is a great format to send a resume in on. When you put a job posting, you get in a ton of formats. I've seen everything from the standard .doc format, to .pdf, to .bmps and .jpg scans of people's resumes written by hand. The point is, they want a hard copy. And me being the guy that has to print it all up and hand people's resumes to the manager, I prefer .pdf over all other formats. PDF is also VERY common for people to send in their resume as, in fact, I would say it is the second most common format (second only to MS's .doc format). PDF is also preferable because even when you use MS Office, it is not always the same layout from one machine to another. I have seen 2-page resumes print out on three pages and other such things. I like PDF because it is consistent. It is only fscked if it was originally fscked, and if they didn't catch that then they don't deserve the job anyhow. on a side note: I have never seen someone submit .sxw, but if they did, I would print it out and put it on the top of the stack.

Re:May bring me back to linux

[Neophytus]

The same recriting offices who don't know anything but .doc won't even remotely know how to edit a PDF.

Re:May bring me back to linux

[shepd]

If your potential employer sucks so hard they can't get H/R a PDF reader, then, just perhaps, you're lucky they can't open the file. I mean, what kind of tech job are you going to be doing where installing a PDF reader for someone isn't allowed? Working for Fort Knox? (heck, perhaps I take that back!)

Anyways, if you're that desparate for work that you'll take anything from anyone, I expect that you'll be presenting your resume in person, anyways.

BTW: McDonald's will take any format you want to submit (paper, fax, or any form of email you could think of). Also, from personal experience many years ago as a student looking for lazy work, the regular floor staff didn't get their jobs by handing in resumes. They had to fill out a special McDonald's-only application form, and undergo an interview. No resume at all, word, or PDF. That being said, you're just too stupid to think of looking up the relevant page at McDonald's for yourself, so we forgive you.

So, all-in-all, yeah, he'd actually have to look farther than McDonald's. A lot farther. Perhaps you could give us an actual example of how much farther? Joe's Eat In and Get Gas, perhaps?

Re:May bring me back to linux

[killjoe]

These days people don't scan the resumes as much. Send your resume in hr-xml format so that it can slip easily into SAP or peoplesoft. You can also send along some stylesheets to generate nice looking HTML or PDF files from it.

Re:May bring me back to linux

[ColaMan]

The pdf viewer that runs in linux can dump to postscript, so it's relatively easy to open,dump to postscript, edit, use ghostscript to convert back to PDF.

In fact I've used it on a number of occasions where people have sent me "print-protected / edit-protected" versions of documents, as the pdfviewer program conveniently ignores such "hints".

Basically , if you can view it, you can change it.

Re:May bring me back to linux

[PReDiToR]

I smoke a hell of a lot less pot and spend at lot less time on the computer overall

I'm sorry to hear that, would you like me to send you a Windows CD so you can carry on as before?

Re:May bring me back to linux

[Anonymous Coward]

Nothing is better than licking Ariel Sharon's asshole.

Re:May bring me back to linux

[SphericalCrusher]

Yes I have and they all work perfect.

Re:May bring me back to linux

[Anonymous Coward]

so you are a computer user that barely understands computers to begin with then?

"Resume needs to be in .doc format that can be read by MS Word" so you are not smart enough to understand a saved .rtf file renamed to .doc works perfectly??

I play UT2004 daily on linux and it's install was as easy as under windows.

and if you have low-end hardware that is incompatable, bummer for you butt hat will teach you to buy on impulse instead of researching things first.

It's like that macintosh G4 user that bitches that the hardware he bought that says "windows only" doesnt work on his mac.

Duh, use your brain you fool. research and buy only that which works.

Dammit! these chevy parts dont fit my ford! ford sucks!

Re:May bring me back to linux

[Anonymous Coward]

Morrowind is a great example of this. Made for the Xbox, but the gameplay is so much better on the PC thanks to player-created modules. I couldn't play it for more than a few days on Xbox, but on the PC I've been playing it now for a couple months.

Don't say it was "made for the XBox", because it wasn't. It was made for the PC and ported to the XBox.

The difference is obvious if you look at Deus Ex: Invisible War. *That* was made for the XBox; you can tell by the simplified controls, the tiny maps, and the way the mouse interface feels bolted on. Morrowind feels like a pure PC game; I can't imagine playing it on a console, though I guess people must...

Re:May bring me back to linux

[Alioth]

That's funny - I've found that most places don't demand your resume (CV) in DOC format, they only demand they can actually read them. I only send my resume out in PDF (although I've not needed to in a while thanks to having a good job that's enjoyable to work at). PDF is better than DOC for your resume because it guarantees the formatting will be the same when the person viewing at the other end reads it - I've found that people with different print settings etc. can cause your resume to wrap in different places with a word processor format, causing formatting problems like widows and orphans which make your resume look very unprofessional.

Quite frankly, I don't want to work at a place that's so backward they can't take a document in PDF format.

Re:May bring me back to linux

[Anonymous Coward]

What are you, some sort of illicit MS dealer?

I bet you've got an MCSE cert in your shed, where you make the CDs. Your type of people disgust me :p

Re:May bring me back to linux

[mAineAc]

How many of these places hired you or offered you a job?

Re:May bring me back to linux

[nova20]

I gave up Windows completely a year ago (except TurboTax on my wife's laptop.) Guess what? I smoke a hell of a lot less pot and spend at lot less time on the computer overall. Why? Same reason. Games.

Man, you must be playing one killer game of nethack!

/nova20

Re:May bring me back to linux

[Anonymous Coward]

mine don't. formatting on my resume is not in OO than in MSword, and without having a running copy of Word to check against, I'd never know how it would look to a prospective employer.

Re:May bring me back to linux

[protoshoggoth]

One asked for a replacement. How many never bothered to ask, and just trashed it? It's annoying to cater to the whims of idiots, but sometimes...

Re:May bring me back to linux

[Enucite]

If it wasn't designed with the Xbox in mind... that's very, very sad.

I always cut it some slack for it's poor interface on the PC, it was because they wanted to keep it simple for the Xbox.

If you consider all the game's limitations and shortcomings I think you'll come to the same conclusion. Hot-topics along the left side of the conversation window so they're easy to select with a controller. Only two 'hot buttons' for weapon and spell which you cycle through. And you must be in the correct mode to use either one. That's something you do when you have a limited amount of buttons. And the combat system... come on, how intuitive is it to run backwards and click on attack to do a thrust maneuver? On the Xbox it's much easier with a controller since you just tap down and attack.

Re:May bring me back to linux

[ktulu1115]

I gave up Windows completely a year ago (except TurboTax on my wife's laptop.) Guess what? I smoke a hell of a lot less pot and spend at lot less time on the computer overall. Why? Same reason. Games.

Yeah, I hear you... Bud is one of the few things that calms me down enough to deal with Windows on a regular basis (on my company laptop). Fortunately the rest of my boxes run some sort of Linux/Unix variant.

Re:May bring me back to linux

[Jad LaFields]

Hell, I don't even see why he needs winex. What's the matter with dual-booting? If he's got windows already, then he can play games on that. He can also write/edit his resume in OO.org and when he's finished, he can fire up Windows to check that it will display properly if he's that worried.

I actually find using windows for games and linux to do my work results in less wasted time. It doesn't take very long to reboot if I've got some free time and want a game of BF:V or GTA3, but it is just long enough to be a deterrent against those just-five-minute-breaks-that-inevitably-turn-into- two-hour-breaks...

Yeah, I know that I'm one of the reasons that gaming on Linux growing so slowly, but for me, personally, its actually better that I can't get many games working under Linux.

Re:May bring me back to linux

[Anonymous Coward]

Does it have to be all one or the other? People can like and use both, you know.

Re:May bring me back to linux

[Anonymous Coward]

If you use star office your resume could be readable as long as you don't do a bunch of VBA in it.

I hooked up my mom with SO and she does excel and all sorts of dandy stuff with it.

Re:May bring me back to linux

[Anonymous Coward]

and if I was boss, you get never hire, because English your is so crap.

I bet them idiot in HR form correct sentences could.

Seriously, if your resume read anything like your post, they probably just pretended they couldn't open your attachment to avoid hurting your feelings.

Re:May bring me back to linux

[Elias Serge]

I have found that I'll play mods for a game far longer than I would play the actual game. Since consoles don't let you install mods or even custom maps, ill stay on pc

Re:May bring me back to linux

[ansible]

Indeed. I just wanted to disabuse people of the notion that a PDF is "uneditable". It's just a little harder, that's all. A bitmap format is only slightly more difficult.

ehe

[Carlos Silva]

As usual I've finished downloading Knoppix 3.3 just last night..
Oh well..

Re:ehe

[rice_burners_suck]

This might be funny, but I read about 3.4 a couple of weeks ago, but I couldn't wait, so I left my computer to download the darn thing all night long. Not two weeks pass, and the new version is up.

Oh well. It's good to have multiple versions of things around.

Re:ehe

[pcgamez]

damn, you too? Since my university puts 1gb/day limits on overall bandwidth, I couldn't do much else yesterday. Argh!

Re:ehe

[cyberworm]

lol. you're not alone in that boat. I just finished installing it on an old laptop. It took ~6 hours to copy and install from the CD (couldn't use DMA mode and only had 64 meg of ram)

As an aside, I chose knoppix because I could try it out first, and was impressed with it's ease of install on another similar laptop (compared to other distros I have tried).

If anyone has any reccomendations for how to upgrade, and any experiences doing so, please share.

Re:ehe

[Dacotah]

Pfff! That's nothing. I downloaded it this afternoon, did a Debian HD install from it onto my workstation at work, and did the same at home just now. I just finished booting to take a peek at /. Arrrrggg!

Torrent stats

[Anonymous Coward]

Any stats on this torrent?

Was Redhat 9 the biggest torrent ever? (I guess Fedora 2 will be the next biggest one)

Re:Torrent stats

[Anonymous Coward]

The biggest (hopefully) will be:
The Microsoft going out of business
Open Sourcing Download Extravaganza

Then again, this is reality.....Damn!

Knoppix will be embraced and extended!
Resistance is futile!

Re:Torrent stats

[Anonymous Coward]

at 22:39, there was 170 leechers at 23:00, there are 558. It's still growing. The power of slashdot :P

Re:Torrent stats

[Shakrai]

Hmm... I'm downloading it at about a third of the speed (15kB) that I'm uploading (45-50kB). My status is still 'blue' -- can't find a complete copy. Oh well I'm only pulling it on bittorrent to share it for others and chew some of Time Warner's bandwidth. Did it with Fedora and Slackware too -- download a complete copy share it until the next big thing comes along. Eats up the bandwidth of a monolithic corporation that I hate and gives something back to the community at the same time.

Everybody wins! Plus I get to see neat stats for my internet connection in nisca ;)

Re:Torrent stats

[kyhwana]

As said before, throttle your upstream in BT to 1/2 or 2/3's your max upstream. If you max out your upstream, you won't be able to download much at all.

Re:Torrent stats

[Shakrai]

As said before, throttle your upstream in BT to 1/2 or 2/3's your max upstream. If you max out your upstream, you won't be able to download much at all.

Ah, you underestimate the wonder of traffic shaping and prioritizing the tcp ACK packets :) Linux is a wonderful thing.

Re:Torrent stats

[CPlusPlusOwnsYou]

15kb/sec down and 45k/sec upstream and u think this is eating Time Warners bandwidth? Try setting the upload limit to 15k/sec so u can actually get a decent download rate.

Re:Torrent stats

[eth00]

I do the same thing, though right now it is trying to connect. Here on campus they decided to limit us to 80k/sec down BUT no throttle the upload...so I have a full 10MBit upload :) I will download it and then leaving it running for a week or two transfering 600-800k/sec all of the time without any complaints from the computer people. Gotta love university bandwidth!

What's New?

[AKAImBatman]

Anyone see a list of changes? I'm particularly interested to know if they've integrated the NTFS read/write libraries.

Dropping KOffice just makes sense. Why add all that extra space when 80% of the user base wants OpenOffice? Although it would be interesting to build a cross platform program (in Java perhaps?) that would allow you to custom-create these disks. Give me a version that will build a FreeBSD/KDE3/OpenOffice/Java CD to my specifications and I'll be in heaven. :-D

Re:What's New?

[H4x0r Jim Duggan]

You're looking for morphix - modular knoppix.

Re:What's New?

[AKAImBatman]

Morphix is definitely interesting, but it's not for the faint of heart. Building a Morphix ISO is one part education, one part command line voodoo, and one part dumb luck. ;-)

An integrated program that would build the ISO from a bunch of selected packages would be very cool. Make it Java and you could run it on Windows, Linux, Mac OS X, Solaris, etc. I know there have been times that I've used my iBook to write a quick CD for a PC, or grab some software that I need for some other OS.

Re:What's New?

[Fuzzy_The_Quantum_Du]

Anyone see a list of changes? I'm particularly interested to know if they've integrated the NTFS read/write libraries.

This release contains the 2.6.5 Kerenl. The 2.6 series kernels all are capable of (Non-Dangerous)This release contains the 2.6.5 Kerenl. The 2.6 series kernels all are capable of (Non-Dangerous) NTFS Read/Write support.

Dropping KOffice just makes sense.

Reading the traffic on the knoppix news forums http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewforum.php?f=4 suggests that "Many" people were unhappy about droping Koffice as they don't like OpenOffice. Even I, a fanatic OpenOffice promoter/user, am going to miss Kmail on my new knoppix cd. I guess I could bother to read the docs on how to remaster a version myself. Which remides me... You said:

Give me a version that will build a FreeBSD/KDE3/OpenOffice/Java CD to my specifications and I'll be in heaven. :-D

Read the documentation:
http://www.knoppix.net/docs/index.php/FaqCustomisi ng


Cheers,
Fuzzy

=0)

Re:What's New?

[Anonymous Coward]

> Morphix is definitely interesting, but it's not for the faint of heart.

hmm, that doesn't agree with what I've observered.

I don't have first hand experience building a morphix CD but when I needed a customized CD about 10 days ago, I pointed a friend to morphix.org and he had a CD ready for me a couple of hours later. It was his first time making a knoppix-like CD and he never mentioned any difficulty. (I pointed him to morphix.org because I wanted gnome.)

He later tweaked some of the customisations and burned 35 copies of that iso and no one came back to us with problems.

Re:What's New?

[Anonymous Coward]

Yes, they have Captive as a base feature, if you had been following the lists online, then you would have seen that Klaus wanted to add it, and it was a major reason for a new version, along with the 2.6.x kernal.

P.s. This version rocks, the only problem I had was with my Asus Nforce 2 Serial ATA contoler, and that was only in 2.6.5, but with the expert mode, it was avoided.

Re:What's New?

[AKAImBatman]

This release contains the 2.6.5 Kerenl. The 2.6 series kernels all are capable of (Non-Dangerous)This release contains the 2.6.5 Kerenl. The 2.6 series kernels all are capable of (Non-Dangerous) NTFS Read/Write support.

Are we talking about the same thing? I thought the Captive drivers were all copyrighted under relatively tight control and were not available for general Open Source integration. I'm aware of the Linux-NTFS module, but that only allows you to overwrite exisitng data.

Me: Give me a version that will build a FreeBSD/KDE3/OpenOffice/Java CD to my specifications and I'll be in heaven. :-D

You: Read the documentation:
http://www.knoppix.net/docs/index. php/FaqCustomisi ng

*scratches head* How does Knoppix stuff help with FreeBSD?

Thanks for the info, though. :-)

Re:What's New?

[dotwaffle]

I wonder if it is possible to create a Jigdo set... Jigdo is the Jigsaw Download program that Debian pushes. Essentially, it downloads individual files off the Debian website, then assembles them in an order suitable for burning onto CD, including the correct boot sector etc... Then it would be very easy to distribute multiple copies of KNOPPIX without having to seed them all. Just an idea...

Re:What's New?

[Manuzhai]

Morphix is good, but maybe Gentoo's catalyst is better? I haven't actually used it myself, but it's apparently a pretty good tool to build your own LiveCDs.

Re:What's New?

[Anonymous Coward]

> Even I, a fanatic OpenOffice promoter/user, am going to miss Kmail on my new knoppix cd.

You must mean KOffice, KMail is included in Knoppix 3.4.

Re:What's New?

[jaseuk]

I'm currently experimenting with Freesbie (freesbie.org). The big advantage this has over some of the other live-cd distributions is modifications are easy, as is keeping your customized CD up to date as its all built from the OS sources. So a cvsup && make buildworld and your CD incorporates all the latest driver fixes

The downside is that the hardware auto-detection for setting up an X session is nowhere near as good, but its looking promising for a thin-client boot cd.

Morphix is awful, it does give you an easy way to patch the system and add additional packages, but it lags too far behind Knoppix in terms of hardware support and keeping it updated is a bitch.

I would love for the Knoppix guys to tidy up the distribution so it is alot easier to customise. The half-dozen distributions that feed off Knoppix would not lag as much and be much higher quality.

I'm currently building a thin-client CD for terminal services clients, I've tried almost every boot cd distribution available, none are as good for bleeding edge hardware as Knoppix, however Knoppix is a swine to customise.

I think I'm going with Freesbie, mainly because its easy to update and rebuild new CDs.

Re:What's New?

[bmsleight]

Morphix is definitely interesting, but it's not for the faint of heart. Building a Morphix ISO is one part education, one part command line voodoo, and one part dumb luck. ;-)

For help building a your won Modular Live-CD, have a look at the Morphix How Tos, we have updated them.

To start off there is how to do simplest morph, then how to build a Mini-Module, then how to Add Modules to the Live CD. Then how to do bigger changes in by changing one of the Main-Modules.

The How Tos inlcude all the command line voodoo. It even possible to make a live-cd (image) by using the live-cd. There are different pre-made CD images with a whole range of (currently GUI-cantered) software. It also has an easy-to-use installer.

Re:What's New?

[Sancho]

The first changes I noticed:
1) Tapping my touchpad no longer registers a mouse-click. AFAIK, this requires a change in my XF86Config file. Not sure how hard this will be to do automatically.
2) Icons in the bar at the bottom of the screen disappeared when I load my configuration from a USB drive. The configuration was created in Knoppix 3.3.
3) Hitting the Windows key pulls up the Knoppix menu. Nifty addition, is this a part of the new version of KDE?
4) Mouse sensitivity is cranked up, and took some getting used to.
5) Still no TinyFugue :(

I'll need to make sure all this is the same under 2.4, as I only tried 2.6 so far. I'm overally still satisfied, but would like my missing features back if 2.4 doesn't address it.
They lost tons of space from KOffice and

Re:What's New?

[register_ax]

(I pointed him to morphix.org because I wanted gnome.)

You could have went with gnoppix

No Koffice?

[moxruby]

Despite a few limitations such as no word count (if it's hidden away there, please tell me!), I find Koffice the cleanest the most useable office suite available for linux.
Abiword comes a close second, but all versions I tried don't highlight selected text! This makes editing a frustrating guessing game.

Openoffice is too sluggish on my duron 1.3ghz, I'll give them a few more versions to clean it up before I try it again.

I hand out knoppix cds to many friends, can anyone shed light on why kOffice is no longer indluded?

Re:No Koffice?

[bcore]

I hand out knoppix cds to many friends, can anyone shed light on why kOffice is no longer indluded?

Just look three words to the right:

"Koffice has been dropped for space reasons"

Re:No Koffice?

[FlipmodePlaya]

KOffice is a relatively large package. Why include it when most are going to use OpenOffice, which is included, anyway? It's a waste of space, which is at a serious premium on any LiveCD. I support the decision, though I have nothing against KOffice.

Re:No Koffice?

[Anonymous Coward]

I'm not really familiar with the kOffice architecture, but if you ditch kOffice except for kWord, is much space saved?

Re:No Koffice?

[FlipmodePlaya]

I just got my apt-get on, looks like the latest version in testing is 48MB. I don't know what kind of compression or what not is involved, but ~50MB is a lot when you only have 700MB to work with.

Re:No Koffice?

[FlipmodePlaya]

Let me issue a retraction, I think I misread it. The actual size may be just over 10MB+dependancies.

Re:No Koffice?

[BladeMelbourne]

> OpenOffice is too sluggish on my Duron 1.3GHz

I find that very interesting. I run OO 1.1.1 (under Fedora Core 1 & Win98) on a PIII 450 MHz with 576 MB RAM. It runs very sweetly.

With the QuickStarter in the tray keeping part of OO in memory - starting times are quite acceptable.

Re:No Koffice?

[Anonymous Coward]

word count in OO is under file -> statistics I believe.

Re:No Koffice?

[molarmass192]

Almost ... File -> Properties -> Statistics (last tab)

Re:No Koffice?

[jon787]

Despite a few limitations such as no word count (if it's hidden away there, please tell me!)

word count has to be there.

jon787@tesla:~(0)$ apt-file search bin/wc
coreutils: usr/bin/wc

Check the coreutils package

Re:No Koffice?

[Anonymous Coward]

Also no problem with OO 1.1.1 on duron 950 and 384mb here. Sounds like the parent has problems to sort that aren't OO.

Re:No Koffice?

[sadler121]

I dunno, I am in the same boat with the parent, and when I try and boot up OO on my Linux box (2500+ Athlon 512 MB), it take an awefuly long time, more so than other apps that I pull up on a regualr basis. I'll have to try Koffice, see if it loads quicker, though it takes freakn 8+ hours to compile OO on my Gentoo box, so I'd have to do it over two nights. :-P

Re:No Koffice?

[Anonymous Coward]

Way to look like a complete moron while trying to sound smart.

Re:No Koffice?

[Trejkaz]

I would hope that they dropped Abiword as well, because it's more of a waste of space due to being less useful.

Re:No Koffice?

[dn15]

Same here. I've used OOo in Linux on two GHz+ machines as well as Mac OS X. It starts really, really slow on all of them. I love it and use it quite often, but it's far from zippy.

Re:No Koffice?

[GweeDo]

Not in 1.3.1 :P It is File->Statistics.

Re:No Koffice?

[Anonymous Coward]

Do you guys have Java installed?

Re:No Koffice?

[mumion]

OOo is too slugish on your 1.3 GHz Machine? I don't know what turbo snail you're running, but for me it works fine at 300 MHz. Maybe you can get some more speed out of your machine if you renice you're seti client to 19 instead of -1 cu Mumion

Re:No Koffice?

[Anonymous Coward]

I'm sure he meant to write KOffice, not OO (OpenOffice).

Re:No Koffice?

[Anonymous Coward]

Abiword comes a close second, but all versions I tried don't highlight selected text!

That would be a system configuration problem. Either that or your hardware is fucked (lemme guess, an ATI video card?).

I've never seen that problem in Abiword.

"apt-get install abiword"

No problems...

Re:No Koffice?

[jon787]

YHBT. YHL. HAND.

check out MAME

[Kiro]

If you're gonna check out Knoppix then have a look at KnoppiXMAME too.

Re:check out MAME

[nfsilkey]

Index of /

Name Last modified Size Description

Parent Directory 17-Jul-2003 11:36 -

Apache/1.3.26 Server at knoppixmame.sourceforge.net Port 80

Looks like too many of you checked it out! Curse you, sourceforge bofhs!

Re:check out MAME

[IceAgeComing]

KnoppixMAME is sweet. It even worked on my Toshiba Satellite 5005 laptop, which says a lot.

I did have to boot with additional parameters in "expert" mode in order to get 1600x1200 screen resolution, though. It took about 15 minutes to get the boot settings correct.

Hardware

[The_Mystic_For_Real]

I haven't used this new version yet, but past the words "improved hardware detection" are music to my ears. It wasn't awful in previous versions, but there certainly was room for improvement. Otherwise Knoppix has been my choice of distros (mostly because it was my first) since I switched to Linux a while back.

Re:Hardware

[Hi_2k]

I've felt hardware detection was Knoppix's strong point. I've shoved the disc into 10 diffrent makes of computers and around 40 diffrent sets of boards (Total mishmash of Scsi, network, and sound cards in my school), and the only problem I've had is with the sound cards. More hardware detection is never a problme, though. Pretty soon, thanks to knoppix, I'll be able to have my own customised desktop on any computer I wish.

Re:Hardware

[NEOtaku17]

Aweful!!!You've got to be kidding me! What live-cd has better hardware detection then KNOPPIX?!

Re:Hardware

[The_Mystic_For_Real]

Looking back on my post, I mistakenly implied that the hardware detection was not good. In my experience I've always had some minor yet annoying detection problem. This is usually with the sound card, as you said.

Re:Hardware

[Anonymous Coward]

I still use Knoppix 3.3 (as late as yesterday!) to begin a Gentoo install on some SATA hard drives. If any Gentoo developers read this, please put SATA support in the next fucking LiveCD already!

Re:Hardware

[neurojab]

>It wasn't awful in previous versions, but there certainly was room for improvement.

Maybe, but it's already come a long, long way. I recently booted a Knoppix CD on a name-brand LAPTOP and everything worked. It was amazing. I'd wager to say that it beats anything else for hardware detection and compatibility on PC hardware, including any version of Windows. Frankly Windows is not in the same league. Ever try to swap a windows image onto different hardware? Exactly.

DVD Distro?

[Robotech_Master]

Will there ever be a DVD distro of Knoppix or some similar Linux that can be downloaded & burned? With all the extra space available on a DVD, there'd be room to put some really awesome apps on there...sort of a complete Linux machine in a can. And when you consider people are bittorrenting entire seasons of TV shows over on Suprnova and Animesuki, it doesn't seem like size would be that much of a problem...

Re:DVD Distro?

[Anonymous Coward]

Doncha think 4.3gb is a little much to download?

Re:DVD Distro?

[MarkWPiper]

I believe there was a DVD distro of version 3.3, that was handed out only at a some various Linux conferences. There were bandwidth concerns, so it was never placed on the official mirrors.

IIRC, the DVD was given out at Linux-tag, in Germany a few months ago. If you google around, you might be able to find it.

Re:DVD Distro?

[Robotech_Master]

Well...no, actually; that's why I asked.

Re:DVD Distro?

[Robotech_Master]

To download? I'd like to spend a couple days or so pulling it down via BT and then burn it a few times. Be fun to take places.

Re:DVD Distro?

[mm0mm]

I downloaded iso for two full DVDs via broadband once. it was feasible, using rars and pars, but it took me a few days to complete because of download limit/day my provider's service has. I'm sure the server will be busy for 24/7 if you have ISOs on the server.

how about just selling DVD distro over the net or off the shelf? I'd love to have a complete distro with a full set of apps in one disk, without worrying about installing and all that. say good bye to dependancy hells.

Re:DVD Distro?

[Sancho]

This is a pretty hot topic on the forums and mailing lists devoted to Knoppix. For DVD is, obviously, space for more programs. Against, we have the fact that not everyone has DVD burners, DVD burners are still much more expensive than CD burners, DVDs cost quite a bit more, and downloading DVD images would suck up even more bandwidth. Some of these would be mitigated by maintaining two images (one DVD, one CD) but then there's the PITA of having two images to maintain!
What I'd like to see is Knoppix create sort of a framework DVD that you can use to remaster your own DVD. That's sort of the best of both worlds, I think.

Re:DVD Distro?

[RLiegh]

Doncha think 4.3gb is a little much to download?

On dial-up? sure. But on cable I can have it in approximately four hours; so what the fuck.

Re:DVD Distro?

[Thing 1]

What I'd like to see is Knoppix create sort of a framework DVD that you can use to remaster your own DVD. That's sort of the best of both worlds, I think.

Best of all world would be having both available for download. Whether that means multiple followers create their own special DVDs that they make available over BitTorrent (finally a valid use for it ;-), or the more centralized approach where Klaus creates a CD, and a DVD which is the equivalent of that CD with a "few" more packages added.

Re:DVD Distro?

[pinkocommie]

Ease of Use being a major issue. I'm not that good of a geek, love Knoppix and would love a DVD version but bugger if I'd actually go through 'creating' my own distro via whatever frameworks. From what I know thats what the average user is like. Recently recommended Knoppix to a winxp friend to check 'that' linux thing, who well would be even less inclined to do anything besides step 1) download step 2) burn step 3) use thats pretty much all the steps 90% users will do ---- In any case, if you think a framework works thats cool but a standard 'default' perhaps created with the framework itself would be the best way to go (obviously imho ;))

Re:DVD Distro?

[OmniVector]

your argument might be valid if there weren't so many people with a dvd burner complaining about the lack of an official dvd. we want it, we're tired of waiting, and they are refusing to make one? that just doesn't make sense. if so many LESS people have dvd burners, they won't have to worry so much about the dvd download will they? 5 gigs is a lot of room. i bet the amount of work it takes to add/remove software packages to the knoppix cd is pretty slim. they could easily just have a simple system to add another 3.5 gigs of useful software. instead they waste all that potential.

Re:DVD Distro?

[Trejkaz]

DVD burners may be more expensive, but they are still less than US$100 and the blanks are still less than $1.

And maintaining two images isn't a pain. Presumably they script creation of the thing anyway, like normal people.

Re:DVD Distro?

[Hansu]

If there are so many people wanting it, how come none of those people are willing to do something about it? Except bitching and moaning, of course.
It really isn't that hard to do. So make your own DVD, it's as 'official' as any Knoppix version there is.

Re:DVD Distro?

[Anonymous Coward]

If there are so many people wanting it, how come none of those people are willing to do something about it? Except bitching and moaning, of course.

Welcome to the Internet.

Re:DVD Distro?

[Anonymous Coward]

Whether that means multiple followers create their own special DVDs that they make available over BitTorrent (finally a valid use for it ;-)

In what way is the distribution of the current CD-based Knoppix over BitTorrent "invalid"?

Re:DVD Distro?

[Bert64]

Atleast here (UK) DVD's have a lower cost per megabyte than blank CD's

Re:DVD Distro?

[Major_Small]

yeah, but you're not thinking about the hosts bandwidth problems... bandwidth becomes expensive, and at 4.3GB with knoppix's audience and a /. story, the traffic could explode to terabytes overnight...

Re:DVD Distro?

[Anonymous Coward]

gee. linux doesn't have full exchange support. i should quit my bitchin and just write it! linux also doesn't have full windows application support in wine, maybe i should get on that as well. i hate to burst your bubble but not everyone has the time to do everything. it's clear that there's a demand for an official knoppix dvd. that's most certainly the job of the knoppix people to make and distribute.

Re:DVD Distro?

[Anonymous Coward]

Yes fucktard, that is exactly what you should do.

Start a project, or join a project.

Don't just whine, "Oh Linux doen't have that yet"

Oh, I knowwhat is going on, your still waiting for Microsoft to create their leet live CD of windows 3.1 or XP.

Not just a new kernel

[NamShubCMX]

Not just a new kernel:

KDE 3.2.2
OpenOffice.Org 1.1.1
Gimp 2.0

Im burning right now... but I just wished they wouldn't have removed KOffice :(

Re:Not just a new kernel

[gradix]

and me I whished they wouldn't have removed LaTeX... ;-)

Custom Knoppix

[smiley2billion]

And for those looking for a custom version of Knoppix with a few different tools built in check out this site:

http://www.knoppix-std.org/

From the site:
STD focuses on information security and network management tools. It is meant to be used by both the novice looking to learn more about information security and the security professional looking for another swiss army knife for their tool kit.

Re:Custom Knoppix

[Geekbot]

I agree, Knoppix STD is fun. I did not find it nearly as useful or easy to use as good old Knoppix 3.3 (which I love). However, the security tools distribution of Knoppix is very useful in its purpose of security evaluation and, well, hacking a couple boxes. Just the other week my boss hosed her home XP system by losing her only active account password. I used the STD CD to boot and use chntpw to reset the administrator password to blank and activate it. Then once I was on the box I could use LC4 that I downloaded from @stake to crack her old password. STD has tools for cracking passwords from the NT box but I just am too much of a *nix noob to get them working right.

MOD DOWN

[Phosphor3k]

The guy copied the same damn links that are in the parent.

Re:MOD DOWN

[CritterNYC]

The guy copied the same damn links that are in the parent.

Moderators note: This comment applied to a now -1 comment, not the parent it looks like it is in response to now.

Question

[Carlos Silva]

I've got a persistent home directory and configuration file on my USB flash disk, does anyone know if I can just use them in this new Knoppix?

Re:Question

[AKAImBatman]

They're still using a KDE 3.2.x build, so you should be OK there. OpenOffice files haven't changed in a long time, nor has Mozilla's config stuff. The only place you could get screwed over is if you've got a bunch of KOffice files. Can't think of much else that could possibly be a problem. I'd say give it a go and see if it works. :-)

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Bittorrent

[Anonymous Coward]

Please try to atleast have a ratio of 1 before disconnecting your client.

Have some manners :P

Re:Bittorrent

[ameoba]

If you think of the math on this, it's not possible for everyone to have a ratio of 1.0, especially when you have greedy bastards going to 2.0 or higher...

Re:Bittorrent

[wpmegee]

You got it backwards. For BT share ratios, 1.0 means you upload as much as you download, 2.0 means you upload twice as much as you download. On an adsl connection or asymmetric cable, .2 or .3 are more common unless you're a seeder, because you've got 1500 down and 256 up or a similar down/up ratio.

Re:Bittorrent

[ameoba]

Re:Bittorrent

[Anonymous Coward]

Re:Bittorrent

[Anonymous Coward]

Still got plenty of KDE goodies.

[Erris]

No Koffice had me a little worried, so I checked the list. Sure enough, they kept the most impressive KDE "productivity" goodies, kmail, kaddress, kpilot, korganizer, and their container, kontact. They, like Mepis, are using KDE 3.2.2, which is very nice indeed. Too bad they had to axe KOffice, which is lighter and faster than Open Office. I'm also partial to gnumeric over OO as well. Oh well, Knoppix still rocks.

Re:Still got plenty of KDE goodies.

[twener]

Well, KOffice is not gone completely - there is still koffice-i18n-de. ;-) What I don't understand is that according to the package list Kopete doesn't seem to be included?

Re:Still got plenty of KDE goodies.

[Anonymous Coward]

omg! You just saved me from deleting the torrent! Someone else posted that Kmail was gone. Kmail missing is the deal breaker for me. I've been waiting for updates to scribus, gimp, kde 2.2.x, and other goodies, but without kmail I'm dead in the water.

The only thing that sucks is that Knoppix doesn't have Quanta, which is part of kde. I have to shut down my system, and boot into Mepis just to use Quanta, which is a huge pita. I'm hoping for two things now. One is that Mepis gets the new Quanta with wysiwyg (vpl mode), and that I hopefully can install quanta on to Knoppix with that new click and run script that someone wrote. If I can get knoppix to run Quanta with that (and kmail wasn't removed), I'll be in heaven.

Re:Still got plenty of KDE goodies.

[twener]

Also including the Plastik style and window decoration as option would have not required much space. And at least one KDE audio player like JuK or amaroK would have been nice.

Re:Still got plenty of KDE goodies.

[misof]

AFAIK since KDE 3.2 Kopete is included directly in the KDE packages (IIRC it is in the kdenetworking package.) Don't panic :)

Re:Still got plenty of KDE goodies.

[twener]

And where in the package list do you see any part of kdenetwork or the whole package mentioned? kopete is a separate Debian package - if it's not there then Kopete is not there.

Yes, Knoppix does sound like an STD ...

[Anonymous Coward]

What an unfortunate choice of name. Then again I'm sure that a large number of the users will never have to worry about conventional STDs :P

Re:Yes, Knoppix does sound like an STD ...

[Anonymous Coward]

yes, because we don't sleep with your mom and from what I've heard she's got a near monopoly on them ;-P

Re:Yes, Knoppix does sound like an STD ...

[Epistax]

using namespace chlamydia;

Re:Yes, Knoppix does sound like an STD ...

[Anonymous Coward]

User don't want conventional standards?

What kind do they want?

Hit the mirrors?

[skogs]

Not the FTP mirrors...though now that we've slashdoted the damn thing they'll never get updated. Way to go poster dude. The torrents may be out, but the regular ftp/http sites are not synced up yet.

Guess I'll just have to wait. Tried every server across the globe and saw no version 3.4

Oh well.

Re:Hit the mirrors?

[drinkypoo]

Out of curiosity, why would you want to use anything other than bittorrent? It seems like the best way to download in every way.

Re:Hit the mirrors?

[user32.ExitWindowsEx]

Not all of us have upstream providers that let BT run...and not all of us can change upstream providers either...

Re:Hit the mirrors?

[Anonymous Coward]

I hate using BT and yes, everything is configured correctly. Even my router and firewall are.

Just right now I'm using it to get knoppix and my download rate is 6 KiB/s and upload is 8 KiB/s.

And then it says it will be done in 59 hours!!!!
I hate this program and it's not even user friendly.

Re:Hit the mirrors?

[Anonymous Coward]

+ Bittorrent Tracker Server is a single point of failure (and they seem to fail frequently)
+ If you wait a couple weeks, nobody will be using the torrent anymore, and you'll be wishing you had a nice FTP mirror.

Re:Hit the mirrors?

[blugu64]

The university that I'm at doesn't allow us to use bittorrent...blocks it at the router I believe...only way around is a VPN that I've found, though I don't have an outside machine, so the point is moot.

Re:Hit the mirrors?

[skogs]

All the above are excellent reasons to ftp instead of torrent. Mostly though, on my part, I haven't got it set up. Waiting for an ftp is no big deal. I just set the download and go to bed. Is that so hard? Takes 2 hours or so for a full ISO...Even if its slow its done by morning. :)

Re:Hit the mirrors?

[Anonymous Coward]

That is typically what you get if you forget to portforward & open up the incoming connections.

Re:Hit the mirrors?

[Mantorp]

I'm getting about 1kb/sec right now, after having it on for about an hour. Pretty darn slow, frequently get triple digits per sec when downloading other "things". Is bittorrent suited for slashdot size downloading?

Re:Hit the mirrors?

[shadowmatter]

Is bittorrent suited for slashdot size downloading?

BitTorrent is ideal for Slashdot-size downloading. Typically hordes of users trying to download a file at the same time works against you -- with BitTorrent, it works for you, since everyone downloading the file can also distribute it prior to its completion.

If your download is slow, I'd first say be patient and see if it improves. If that doesn't work, make sure that ports 6881 - 6999 are open on your firewall/NAT (typically they aren't for DSL/cable users). If they aren't, your firewall/NAT is interfering with normal BitTorrent operation, because can only find new peers to download from by getting their IP addresses from the tracker. If they are open, however, you can find new peers by getting their IP addresses from the tracker and by them connecting to you (since they received your IP address from the tracker). After opening/forwarding these ports, its not uncommon for people to double their download speed.

- sm

Re:Hit the mirrors?

[Neophytus]

Bittorrent in theory is very good. I've seen it good, and when it's good it's good. In reality the symmetrical up/down ratios needed to make the thing work don't come about not least because it needs ports opened.

Re:Hit the mirrors?

[Anonymous Coward]

My ports are open (really) and I see this a lot with Bittorrent -- crawling along at 10KB/s. About half the time I can find a FTP Mirror and finish downloading at 150KB/s before BT even gets started, at least for legal stuff.

I assume this is because everyone else on BT is an ADSL luser like me and there's no upload available.

Re:Hit the mirrors?

[bakeacake]

Try here

Re:Hit the mirrors?

[Kulaid982]

Great advice on speeding up BitTorrent, I was just about to post a question about it myself! Port forwarding rocks! My Download Rate jumped from about 25k/sec to well, it's at 75k/sec now and climbing! I love Knoppix!

Re:Hit the mirrors?

[Mantorp]

I don't think my router is interfering since I've used bittorrent getting other things with lightning speed. Just checked it this morning and it's still in the single digits. Can the tracker get too much work to do, and is it possible that would slow things down?

Re:Hit the mirrors?

[jonadab]

> Out of curiosity, why would you want to use anything other than bittorrent?

I tried BitTorrent on four systems and couldn't get it to work on any of them.
Of course, two of these systems are behind NAT gateways, which prevents them
from being addressible from the internet, which could be a problem for BT
(dunno; if someone knows how to get BT to work through IP Masquerade, either
by doing something different with BT or by changing some iptables rules on
the IP Masq box, let me know), and the other two are running older distros
that don't have a sufficiently up-to-date Python for BT's tastes. So the
problems aren't *all* BT's fault... but it should be noted that these
problems have absolutely no impact on using wget to retrieve the thing from
a traditional ftp or http server. (Well, wget has to be configured to use
passive ftp, but that's easy enough.)

When common, popular, ubiquitous, easy-to-use tools start supporting torrent,
then I'll be able to use it. For example, if there were a drop-in Mozilla
plugin for it that would be easy to install, or if there were a client that
doesn't require a recent release of Python (e.g., something written in pure
Perl that will run on 5.003 or later), ... then I'd be able to use it.

Though, I'm still not so sure about using it at home, on a shared dialup
connection. I'm pretty sure getting it off a mirror is a better solution
there. (Of course, in the case of Knoppix I can put it up on a mirror at
work... I could easily justify that, since Knoppix is something I actually
use at work. That's not true of everything I'd want to download at home.)

Re:Hit the mirrors?

[drinkypoo]

you can define a port range for BT to use (easier with one of the alternative clients, typically) and then forward those ports to your address. BT determines IP addresses automatically from whatever it's told by IP, and not through use of the protocol, so this is the supported method of making BT work behind a firewall.

Persons behind restrictive firewalls out of their control can configure BT to listen on ports that are open for ingress. If there are no such ports, BT will attempt to make outward connections to other users it can see from the tracker. Having open ports for such users to connect to you is a great way to increase the number of connected users (If you are the guy with the upstream, everyone is going to want to connect to you) and since you upload most to people who upload to you, and vice versa, over time the people with the bandwidth will automatically find one another and help each other complete their downloads.

If you need your upstream for something else then by all means download from a mirror, but if you're not using it, consider donating it to bittorrent. I haven't got it going yet, but linux has packet scheduling facilities which should suffice to prioritize BT traffic last so that it does not interfere with anything else. You can further accelerate interactive traffic by placing it in the proper queue to be sent immediately, or at least more immediately, or at guaranteed rates, et cetera. But, this part I have not yet figured out.

SCSI card issues

[Thaidog]

I hope the improved hardware detection takes care of the scsi card issue I've been having with the distos... (a linux distros actually) they will not detect my attotech ultra160 64/66 card... the boot hangs at "reset scsi bus"... I've tried resting the scsi wait timings... no good...

TurboTax Online

[mr_zorg]

...except TurboTax on my wife's laptop.

Here's a tip: next year try TurboTax online. I can tell you it works fantastically, I've been using it for a few years now.

Re:TurboTax Online

[eltoyoboyo]

TurboTax online is great for me with T1 at work, not so much for my Dad at rural 15,000 baud. It would be even cooler if TurboTax arrived on a self booting CD like Knoppix or PCLinuxOS, which is a Mandrake Live CD. I should not have to install TurboTax on on a hard drive every season.

Bad news for Knoppix

[SteelX]

Knoppix v3.4 Hits The Mirrors

I guess that's seven years of bad luck for Knoppix... ;-)

Re:Bad news for Knoppix

[sumdumass]

haha, whats even worse luck is that i have been trying to find it on the mirroes listed at the knoppix site for around an hour or so now and so far the latest i can find is 3.3.

The bittorent links seems to be the only way of getting it as of right now. Maybe they arer still transferiong the files to the mirrors and that why i can't find them. too bad my download speed is 1/3 of the upload for some reason. i guess that will soon end..

Re:Bad news for Knoppix

[ameoba]

You mean 7 more years of "Is Linux Ready For The Desktop" articles?

Re:Bad news for Knoppix

[Anonymous Coward]

That's what happens when you zap a wand of striking at nymphs!

Have your pet deal with them bitches...

acroread?

[b17bmbr]

is adobe acrobat reader GPL'd? is it possible to resdistribute this? i know you canpay a license fee, but there's plenty of good pdf viewers out there. and i wouldn't want knoppix to get hammered due to some license crap.

Re:acroread?

[mabhatter654]

He's already check out most of the stuff on the disk as redistributable. It's been out for over a year now. Several companies have made exceptions so he can put the stuff on the disk and have it be redistributable. Note, Knoppix isn't about being "pure" OSS. It's meant to work and show off how good Linux can be... not turn everything on the disk into OSS. Klaus has banged on a lot of doors to get cool stuff put on the disk. Hint: Tell your favorite packages [flash, Nvidia drivers, etc] to get on board!!!!

Re:acroread?

[Anonymous Coward]

No, the Acrobat Reader is not GPL'd. Redistribution is permitted according to the terms of the license (which basically say that you can redistribute it for free, but don't reverse engineer it, etc.)

Leave it running for what?!?

[rice_burners_suck]

Remember: Leave your bittorrent client running after the download is finished!

Why do you have to do this?

Re:Leave it running for what?!?

[rolocroz]

This is the way BitTorrent works. You are constantly uploading data that you've downloaded to other peers, and so once it's done you should keep it open in order to share the file with others.

Re:Leave it running for what?!?

[Anonymous Coward]

To allow other people to download it from you and spread the bandwidth load.

Ya dumb arse.

Re:Leave it running for what?!?

[wpmegee]

The client switches into seeding mode usually, and allows you to upload to other peers. If you're greedy, then close it, but eventually the torrent dies that way because there won't be any seeders to upload to the downloaders.

Re:Leave it running for what?!?

[erikharrison]

Courtesy.

Every P2P application since napster has started in the Windows system tray in order to increase the amount of stuff available at once. BT's design means that it can't work quite the same way - stuff is only shared while your downloading the thing, and rather than share a pool of files, you share individual files while your connected to a tracker.

It's not unusual (though thankfully not too usual) to be downloading via BT and all your seeders vanish or no current seeder has all parts of the file your after. Staying connected for an extra 5-10 minutes is a simple way to increase traffic, and is generally considered polite.

Re:Leave it running for what?!?

[rice_burners_suck]

Ooops, I must be getting retarded or something, because I thought that said BitKeeper, as in Linus' controversial choice of version control program, not BitTorrent... You know, kind of like there's CVSup, among other CVS clients?

I'm told the eyesight goes first, and then the mind... Well, I already wear glasses. :-(

Re:Leave it running for what?!?

[Anonymous Coward]

> all your seeders vanish or no current seeder has all parts of the file your after.

Exactly! Leave those BT clients running as long as you can. Most (>90%?) BT downloads fail because people disconnect after downloading the file. When they all do, all downloads for the file fail for all downloaders. It's the reason BT will never be mainstream. It's just too frustrating.

Re:Leave it running for what?!?

[Anonymous Coward]

I still have Azureus running (which by the way simulates a p2p environment) and am uploading at 2.5 MB/s. It feels good :D

Re:Leave it running for what?!?

[jtnishi]

or no current seeder has all parts of the file your after

Off-topic, call me ignorant about how BitTorrent works, but I thought a "seeder" in BitTorrent parlance was someone who is actually uploading a complete file, ergo should have all of the parts of the file you're after by definition.

Are you using a different definition of "seeder", meaning simply someone who is uploading any parts, or am I misinterpreting what a "seeder" is to begin with, or was there an error in your statement there?

Re:Leave it running for what?!?

[Anonymous Coward]

If BitTorrent becomes mainstream (one definition would be "used by companies"), then there's always at least one complete source - the company itself. Lack of uploaders is not what's keeping BT back.

Re:Leave it running for what?!?

[Cruciform]

One of the annoyances with BT is the effect bandwidth throttling is having on downloads. I used to get speeds of 200 to 400 k/sec easily. Now with everyone choking their outgoing speeds, I'm lucky to get 10 k/sec.

For a while using Shad0w's client and tweaking the in/out settings according to the traffic shown in the advanced settings worked, but it's back to being sluggish again.

Is there a client that allows you to target other clients and give them a higher priority? I assume that a priority system is designed into the client, but it doesn't always seem to make the most intelligent choices.

Re:Leave it running for what?!?

[HeghmoH]

How does this bullshit get modded up as Interesting? Mods, read the post before you moderate!

BitTorrent is very robust, and somebody disconnecting doesn't disconnect anybody else. Unless the person who disconnected was the last person with a full copy in the swarm (and sometimes not even then), everybody else can still get a full copy.

Re:Leave it running for what?!?

[Locutus]

It would be nice if there was an "exit on completion" setting which took a delay value( in minutes ). That way, we can tell it to close on completion and it'll close 5,10,15 minutes AFTER download completion.

It would make it easier to be nicer. Then again, leaving it open until you notice it is likely to leave it open longer already....

One of these days I'll grab the source and add this.

LoB

Re:Leave it running for what?!?

[Anonymous Coward]

> How does this bullshit get modded up as Interesting?

Because it's 100% true. Bit Torrent is unreliable. Unless you get very lucky, you'll never complete a download. I'd rather download from a slow mirror and be guaranteed to get the file rather than spend a week of frustration with BT.

> Unless the person who disconnected was the last person with a full copy in the swarm

Exactly! That's why most Bit Torrent downloads fail. People disconnect after downloading. If there's not a full copy of the file between the people still connected, the download will never finish. It happens more often than not. Only the most popular downloads stay seeded long enough. Just look at the thousands of "please reseed" requests you've seen.

Not troll, insightful.

[Anonymous Coward]

:laughs: Good lord, you're retarded. I know you have to be trolling to post "Windows ME > Linux" stuff, but on the off chance that you're just dumb, I gotta post a response. Where on the CD-ROM (READ ONLY) did you expect Knoppix to save it?

Re:Not troll, insightful.

[bmsleight]

Where on the CD-ROM (READ ONLY) did you expect Knoppix to save it?

Well with Morphix (see above post).

You can use the CD Persistant MiniModule. With a LiveCD burnt as a multisession CD you can then to save you setting/files back to the LiveCD, Not bad hey ?

See the How To

Yes, NTFS write support included

[greppling]

"captive" is mentioned in the package list, so it seems they included it.

bittorrent is teh rules!!!!

[Anonymous Coward]

I can download at over 1MB/s so I'll have the 700MB iso in 70 hours! w00t! ........... eh?

Re:bittorrent is teh rules!!!!

[NamShubCMX]

in time to buy a calculator :)

700 MB / 1 MB / S = 700 S = less than 11 minutes.

Re:bittorrent is teh rules!!!!

[ChrsJxn]

Actually, 300 seconds is 5 minutes, and one minute is 60 seconds, so 300 + 300 + 60 + 40 is 11 minutes 40 seconds. :(
Close though.
And still extremely lucky if you can get it that fast off the torrent.
I've never gotten anything anywhere near that fast.

Re:bittorrent is teh rules!!!!

[mabinogi]

I think he was well aware of that....hence his tounge in cheek post.

Re:I've tried it already; here's my thoughts

[vik]

Id you install Knoppix or just boot it up from the CD? I'm guessing that from the length of time it took to load you were loading Linux, X and OpenOffice from the CD - not the fastest way to do it!

If you just booted it up, you must've read somewhere that it WILL NOT MODIFY YOUR HARD DISK. That includes saving data on it.

If you want to use it as a real, live system you have to install it, usually by running knx-hdinstall from a root window. There's instructions scattered arounf the web.

Vik :v(

Changes in V3.4

[Necroman]

These are from the comments on the torrent page for KNOPPIX

* V3.4-2004-05-03 (experimental)
- switched from syslinux to isolinux (no emulation) boot method
- Kernel 2.4.26 (default) and Kernel 2.6.5 (as boot option) with ACPI enabled (use knoppix acpi=off in case of problems, knoppix26 to try Kernel 2.6)
- New wireless drivers for: ipw2100 ("Centrino"(TM)), madwifi, hostap
- captive-ntfs installer
- live-installer by Fabian Franz
- KDE 3.2.2
- kdevelop3
- OpenOffice 1.1.1 (german and english)
- gimp 2.0
- Had to remove the entire latex system (101MB) because of space reasons
- Removed KOffice for the same reason
- /dev/modem setup tool supporting serial, USB, bluetooth and irda devices
- gprs connection tool
- lots of improvements in the hardware detection and new boot options, please check knoppix-cheatcodes.txt.

Re:Changes in V3.4

[leob]

- Had to remove the entire latex system (101MB) because of space reasons
- Removed KOffice for the same reason

Why is IBM 3270 terminal emulation still there, then?

Re:Changes in V3.4

[Squideye]

Removal of LaTex is not all that good. Lots of scientific and mathematic users need that for their formula-laden documents. And surprise there are a LOT of Linux users who are sci/mathies. I guess one could argue "then they should just install a distro themselves" but if the portability and applicability of a Linux distribution is a consideration, ie. they're going to use Knoppix on their laptop or a secondary computer, wouldn't it be terribly useful to have a TeX formatting app installed?

I mean... isn't UNIX originally conceived for scientific and mathematical applications, for which... ack.

Anyway, I'll just assume that OpenOffice.org has some kind of TeX-formatting facility which justified LaTeX's removal. Can anyone give us an indication as to whether this is the case?

Re:Changes in V3.4

[EMH_Mark3]

Because it doesn't weight 101mb?

Re:Changes in V3.4

[thryllkill]

Actually I think UNIX was conceived for telephone switching networks. But I could be wrong.

Re:Changes in V3.4

[mst76]

You can always burn a TeXLive cdr. The demo version is a complete functional TeX distribution that runs from cdrom on win32, linux and macos.

Re:Changes in V3.4

[Anonymous Coward]

>Removal of LaTex is not all that good.
I agree with your sentiment, however
keep in mind that knoppix is meant to
be a generic showcase of Linux. Something
had to give that most users wouldn't have used
anyway.

Having said that, however, there is an alternative: Quantian -- a fork of cluster knoppix -- a fork of knoppix. Quantian
has all sorts of scientific oriented apps
(including LaTeX and Texmacs for editing
Tex files). Quantian also uses OpenMosix to allow
you to build a distributed load cluster painlessly and of course comes with MPI, so you
can also run your distributed load cluster as a
Beowulf cluster. Check it out. For more info:
http://dirk.eddelbuettel.com/quantian.html

Re:Changes in V3.4

[Anonymous Coward]

> Actually I think UNIX was conceived for telephone switching networks. But I could be wrong.

UNIX was conceived to play Space Travel on a PDP-7 that Thompson found lying around doing nothing.

Re:Changes in V3.4

[Anonymous Coward]

Can't people just install LaTeX (and LyX, for that matter) using kpackage?

Re:Changes in V3.4

[Daniel]

LaTeX is great and all, but why would you need it on a live CD? (I also don't see the point of openoffice on a live CD, but I guess it's better than having idle space on the disk..)

Daniel

Re:Changes in V3.4

[Knights who say 'INT]

You can always get Quantian, a Knoppix variant custom-tailored for scientific computing. It drops OOo, The Gimp and other pretty things for big-number-crunching tools like Octave, R, Gretl et cetera. It also includes a couple of LaTeX editors, plus two WYSIWYG editors that compose TeX, LyX and TeXMacs.

Sure, it doesn't have a 2.6 kernel yet, but the guy is fast, and he's prolly at it already.

Knoppix Updated, The Highlight of my Day

[Dozix007]

Hopefully a majority of the bugs have been worked out. I have been using a the last distro of Knoppix as a rescue disk, and Linux Introduction tool for a while. I have never felt so embarrassed when I talk up Linux so much, and Knoppix fails.

Re:Knoppix Updated, The Highlight of my Day

[Anonymous Coward]

Yep, that's when we Windows guys whip out our Live-XP cd and show people what a real bootable rescue/desktop disk can do.

The per-seat liscencing is a killer though.

Re:Knoppix Updated, The Highlight of my Day

[Sweetshark]

...the last distro of Knoppix as a rescue disk...
I always found Knoppix a bit overloaded for Systemrescue ... So I use this

\def\dealwithit#1{Is Plain Tex Included}

[manganese4]

\hbox to 2 in{\it I hope Plain Tex is at least included}

Re:\def\dealwithit#1{Is Plain Tex Included}

[ColaMan]

Gonna miss klyx if it's missing - I've written a few formulae and plot laden reports with it and I find it excellent, esp when you want a consistent layout.

To emphasize my point.

[Dozix007]

I just had this convo right after I posted : XXXX: I'm in linux XXXX: for some reason, sound decided to spontaneously die XXXX: (knoppix, at work)

Re:To emphasize my point.

[74nova]

knoppix is much different from linux, tho. knoppix isnt given the opportunity to update anything because it runs from the cd. there is not similarly well-functioning windows equivalent that i am aware of, so there is nothing to compare it to. knoppix is fine software and should not be used to evaluate linux to any serious extent because it is limited to running live. just MHO

Re:To emphasize my point.

[Anonymous Coward]

knoppix isnt given the opportunity to update anything because it runs from the cd

I think updating/installing new software was one of the new additions in this release.

should not be used to evaluate linux to any serious extent because it is limited to running live.

Nah, it's got a great installer as well. Quick, painless, and there's even a choice betwean making it a knoppix install or a more traditional debian install.

Re:To emphasize my point.

[74nova]

how do you update it to the cd? if you install, thats a whole different story. of course i can do that, its got apt-get. am i missing something?

as for teh installer, i agree that it is very simple. what im not impressed with is the fact that some of the hardware detection goes away when you do that. i had clusterknoppix working perfectly live and as soon as i installed it, the network card no longer worked. that doesnt make any sense to me at all. it is awesome software, but its no perfect. my point was only that its kinda unfair to compare its live versino to other installs that are updated, etc. often times windows wont work properly until it gets new drivers from the update. i think knoppix does a fine job of handling most anything right out of the box.

Re:To emphasize my point.

[AlXtreme]

1: knoppix is a GNU/Linux livecd distro
2: you have 2 (two) installers for putting it on a harddisk
3. there are many GNU/Linux livecds
4. it is used extensively for GNU/Linux evaluating (ie. Sun used morphix, based on knoppix, for their JDS evaluation version)
5. how can you compare something that is free with something that isn't?

in short, your humble opinion plain sucks. Sorry.

Re:To emphasize my point.

[74nova]

well, if youre gonna be a prick about it at least understand what i meant

1: knoppix is a GNU/Linux livecd distro

oh good lord. you think?

2: you have 2 (two) installers for putting it on a harddisk

so how dows that affect showing people what it can do as a live cd? that was the point of the parent of my original post. he was embarrassed when it didnt work in front of friends.

3. there are many GNU/Linux livecds

what relevance to what i said does this have? yes, there are several hundred if not thousands of live cd distros. so?

4. it is used extensively for GNU/Linux evaluating (ie. Sun used morphix, based on knoppix, for their JDS evaluation version)

again, so? i said it was fine software, didnt i? how does this contradict anything about what i said? my point was that it is unfair to expect a livecd to behave as well as an installed OS.

5. how can you compare something that is free with something that isn't?

ummm... the same way windows users do, how about that? again, the original parent to my post said that he was embarrassed about it not working in front of friends. this make it seem to them like linux sucks because it didnt work on a box that windows is obviously working just fine. how does the fact that its free matter? people want windows because it is windows. we have to prove to them that linux can do a superior job for free. this isnt easy when you expect knoppix to be perfect. knoppix is a good way to show people about linux, but i think its unfair to expect it to work perfectly on every machine when it has the restriction of running live. yes, i know you can install it, but i dont know many people that want to see linux installed on their machine just to play around with it.

in short, there are better ways to disagree, expecially when you are mistaken. perhaps i was a bit vague, did this make my point a little more clear?

NX client

[xint_64]

Including the NX client (http://www.nomachine.com) makes a lot of sense. You can now boot Knoppix and have ready access to any remote NX server on the net. A nice addition in corporate environments looking for a Citrix alternative.

PPC?

[cheesy9999]

Now, about the PPC versions for us Mac crowd...?

Re:PPC?

[Anonymous Coward]

Ineresting question. Debian has the best porting policy other than OpenBSD. However, all the work on hardware detection that goes into Knoppix seems somewhat pointless on Mac hardware.

In fact, it should be a whole lot easier.

Wish I had the time to make a Debian bootable CD for macs.

Re:PPC?

[njchick]

Now, about the PPC versions for us Mac crowd...?

Gentoo LiveCD
KNOPPIX PPC (unofficial)

Re:PPC?

[Anonymous Coward]

1) Unplug system
2) Run towards window
3) Launch mac out the window

Re:PPC?

[mrmez]

The next time someone tells you that the G5 chip really flies, don't take them so literally. sheesh!

A very quick bittorrent how-to?

[Anonymous Coward]

I'm running knoppix 3.3 right now. I believe I have bittorrent as part of the distro.

Can someone supply the command line for grabbing the iso? Include flags if used/recommended?

Is there an X version of bittorrent on Knoppix 3.3?

Will running bittorrent open up any security holes? I'm behind a nat device

Will bittorrent work behind the nat device?

Thanks from all of us newbies!

Re:A very quick bittorrent how-to?

[seringen]

grab the latest version of bittorrent, it should work much better. it will work behind nat, but you might have to open up your firewall. Search google for bittorrent clients. copy the download link and pass it as a command to the program from the commandline. i.e. btdownloadcurses http://address

Re:A very quick bittorrent how-to?

[42forty-two42]

Can someone supply the command line for grabbing the iso? Include flags if used/recommended?

btdownloadcurses.py (file).torrent

Will running bittorrent open up any security holes? I'm behind a nat device

Not more than any other network program.

Will bittorrent work behind the nat device?

Yes, but it'll go slower. Open oprts 6881-6889 for faster downloads.

Re:A very quick bittorrent how-to?

[ktulu1115]

I'd recommend against using the default bittorrent client, it's not all that great. I've used a bunch of clients and my personal favorite is Azureus.

Re:I've tried it already; here's my thoughts

[Anonymous Coward]

Sorry your memmory impaired system is so slow. You loaded off a CDROM, not your IDE/ATA/SATA system. Everything runs in memmory. Get a clue. Its a test/intro distro...not a freaking benchmarking suite.

Harddrive install?

[identity0]

Have they changed/improved the HDD installer in Knoppix? I wanted to install a debian setup from Knoppix, but in 3.3, it tries to dump the whole system into one partition, and I did not have the space for that so I ended up using the Debian Sarge installer instead... Have they made the install process more flexible since then?

Re:Harddrive install?

[Anonymous Coward]

mod parent up. i had to manually modify fstab and mount points to get this to work properly.

Re:ATA Raid 0?

[Anonymous Coward]

FastTrack is basically software raid- so don't bother.

Are there any bootable linux cds for a mac?

[Anonymous Coward]

Is there a "bootable yellow dog" that I can use to mac the office os9 mac usable? That'd be rool cool.

Order in Canada

[millette]

or pick it up tomorrow (Tuesday) in Montreal, Quebec:
ou venez le ramasser demain (Mardi) à Montréal, Québec:
http://www.waglo.com/nattor/

Re:Order in Canada

[aristofanes]

site does not seem up to date

kanotix also came out recently

[millette]

get bughunter 2004-05

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no latex?

[gunix]

Now that's a distro that you shouldn't let your children use!

Re:no latex?

[Doctor Crumb]

But if latex was there before and they only now removed it, how did you get children in the first place?

Re:No LaTeX?

[slashdot_commentator]

Ummm, is the new version Knoppix so indispensable that one wouldn't consider sticking to the previous version of knoppix?

Re:No LaTeX?

[Quattro Vezina]

It depends on whether or not KDE 3.2, GIMP 2.0, and whatever else they upgraded are worth it. To some people, they are worth it, to others, they're not.

Knoppix... as seen on The Broken

[Anonymous Coward]

Great for hacking WinXp!

Re:Knoppix... as seen on The Broken

[Trejkaz]

Sure, with a cross-compiler and the Windows source code. Maybe.

Re:Knoppix... as seen on The Broken

[Anonymous Coward]

If it had chntpw integrated, it really would be good!

Re:I've tried it already; here's my thoughts

[mh101]

I thought this post looked awfully familiar...

Koffice vs. Openoffice

[ChiralSoftware]

I use OOo all the time, and find it to be very powerful, more powerful than MS Office in many ways. If it had better KDE integration it would be perfect... fortunately, KDE integration is on its way, and it will be fantastic, giving serious competition to anything else (including OSX) on the desktop. It makes sense to drop Koffice from Knoppix, and it will make even more sense once the KDE/OOo integration is ready.

----------
Create a WAP site

Re:Koffice vs. Openoffice

[texroot]

Better KDE integration would be nice, particularly if it means better printing support. One of the main advantages of KDE apps at my office is the choice of printers and printer options, instead of the default printer with generic options being the only choice.

My only complaint

[JReam]

Is that BT downloads in general are incredibly slow, and, in the case of Knoppix 3.4, almost slow enough to be pointless. BUT I have a share rating of 1.93!

I'm not throttling anything, either.

Don't get me wrong, I like BitTorrent as a filesharing app about as much as the next guy. I'm just a little peeved that in 1 hour 9 minutes, I've only managed to retrieve about 33 megs, whereas I've sent out over 65. This is on a cable connection.

Has anyone managed to find or set up a mirror for the actual ISO yet?

Re:My only complaint

[Anonymous Coward]

You have to throttle.

If you don't set a max upload limit, bittorrent will suck every bit of upload bandwidth available, and you will not be able to do anything else (including downloading that same bittorrent). Try setting your max to 35kbps, or something about 5kbps below what it's showing your max is now.

That will give your connection some breathing room to actually get a decent download speed.

Re:My only complaint

[Trejkaz]

I don't understand how this one can be slow. There are over 1,000 users and you still can't find enough users to get a decent download rate? Even if you only got 0.1k/s from each user you would still be getting 100k/s. Do you have a limit on the number of simultaneous download threads or something? Are you behind NAT? Also, try limiting the upload to 5k/s or even lower, as the penalisation code is dodgy anyway and won't really hurt your download.

Re:My only complaint

[najay]

I am currently downloading 3.4 EN at 235kB/sec down, 7kB/sec up. It will take less than an hour for me to retrieve the distro. Make sure you have your port forwarding on the firewall set up correctly, or the d/l will not work right (6346, i believe)

Re:My only complaint

[davisk]

TCP ports 6881 - 6889, actually.

Re:My only complaint

[Anonymous Coward]

ftp & http Planetmirror.com (it's on the mirros list) has 3.4. But my first download doesn't mount, so I'm trying again.

Re:My only complaint

[Inda]

That's pretty much a golden rule when using all P2P software. I would go with 80% of your maximum download speed.

I find BT has a big bandwidth overhead; much bigger than other P2P applications. I set the max upload speed to 12kb/s and DU still shows 18kb/s leaving my PC. Setting my maximum upload to 80% (26kb/s) will eventually saturate my upload connection. I hope this gets fixed.

Re:My only complaint

[Anonymous Coward]

All u need to do is limit it to 15k/sec upload rate.
I can still download at 200-300k/sec with 15k/sec upload limit.

Re:My only complaint

[Locutus]

I saw this too but I also saw a post about how the tracker-server needs to have ports 6881-6889 opened. If you are also using a firewall/router/NAT/etc between your PC and the internet, you'll get far better results by even opening one or two ports( 6881, 6882 ).

I started at 25K DOWN / 40K UP until I opened 2 ports and now its at 75K DOWN / 40K UP. YMMV but I think this'll help you out.

LoB

How about knoppix?

[Anonymous Coward]

As I stated in the top post, I'm running Knoppix. What I didn't state is that I'm running it from the cd, not the hard disk. So for me to install a new client, I believe the only way is to use the script that one of the hackers that hangs out on the message boards has written, to download and install applications on a system running from the cd. I can't think of the guy's name or the application right now.

By the time I locate this application again (failed to work last time I tried), download and install it, then find another bittorrent client, install that, and start the download...I might as well wait and download from a mirror.

The whole idea behind downloading the iso via bittorrent was so I could help out others by leaving it running when completed, so that I help instead of add to the downloading load.

Don't I have bittorrent on my system now? Forget the gui. What's a command line that I can use to grab the iso now, and leave running to upload to others? Thanks for your post though!

Re:How about knoppix?

[seringen]

use the one i posted above btdownloadcurses http://theaddress just follow the links to find the address - the link will end in a .torrent the file will download to the dir you are in, so navigate to the directory you want to download it in. the curses one will load a nice curses menu, but it is very simple. type bt then hit tab a couple times to see your options hth

Re:How about knoppix?

[Anonymous Coward]

$ btdownloadcurses
http://torrent.unix-ag.uni-kl.de:6969/stats.html?i nfo_hash=ea07c5d44f83e137578bfb4cc44aa2f2a4f086b3
These errors occurred during execution:

[00:53:35] got bad file info -

mono distro

[jon_galloway]

It'd be nice if there was a Knoppix/Morphix variant with Mono. I know, I know, Mono is evil or something, but it could expand number of crossover developers who code .NET at work and want to get started with Linux in their spare time. If you're already reading and writing .DOC's, it seems like a logical step...

Re:mono distro

[Anonymous Coward]

Who the hell wants to use .NET?

Re:mono distro

[jon_galloway]

I think that question misses the point. The point is that there _are_ millions of developers who _do_ use .NET. Many of them are interested in Linux as well. Mono on an Live CD could get some of these millions of developers starting to develop against Linux as well as Windows. Isn't that good?

OT: PDF not editable?

[Anonymous Coward]

Why not submit your resume in PDF format? It'll be smaller, uneditable, ...

Not true. PDF files are editable with Acrobat (a full version such as Standard or Professional, not the Reader). They're not as easily editable as Word files, to be sure, but they're still easy to edit. You can digitally sign them, but few people do.

Re:No Koffice

[Anonymous Coward]

I used to think OpenOffice was slow. Until I realized that running OpenOffice from Knoppix on the CD drive, and not the hard disk, was why I could start up OpenOffice, go grab a cup of coffee, come back, and it still didn't finish starting up.

I recently experienced running OpenOffice (windows version) on a system far slower than yours, and was shocked at how fast it ran. Whether it runs faster than MS Office, or fast enough in general, is another matter. Once I start running OpenOffice (1.1.1 or later) from a hard drive, the speed of OpenOffice will hardly (note, I didn't say "not") be an issue.

As for KOffice, from the times I've tried using it (from Knoppix 3.3 distro, so that should give an idea as to how recent it is), kword crashed too many times for me to be able to say with a straight face that it is stable. The same with other apps from KOffice (kspread also crashes). When KOffice becomes stable, I'll try it again, as I prefer a low resources office suite in some circumstances. But until it is stable, it doesn't belong in what is essentially a distro with other applications that are much more stable.

I also found problems with KOffice's file format translations, and with the export to pdf. The exported files (to pdf) from kword were found to be unusable on several windows systems and another Linux system.

Beta software has its uses. Putting a beta version of an office suite in a stable distro release is bad, especially in a distro that is tight on space for the media.

I like KOffice, and can't wait to get a stable version. It currently is not stable. And it really sucks to find that out when pressed for time, or when you have to waste a lot of additional time to transfer the data (if not lost) to OpenOffice so you can print it out or share it.

Re:I've tried it already; here's my thoughts

[Anonymous Coward]

I could have installed my copy of Windows Millenium Edition in the time it took to boot Knoppix and start OpenOffice.org.

Yeah, but then you wouldn't even be running an OS...

Ironic.....

[vwjeff]

Post about RAID modded as Redundant.

I got it!

[Anonymous Coward]

Hey, you broke your cherry! ;-)

I got it. Download started now. Once it is down, I leave it running, so others can download from me, right?

Re:I got it!

[seringen]

you can read the docs here to learn how bittorrent works http://bitconjurer.org/BitTorrent/documentation.ht ml hth

Slashdot and Bittorrent

[harborpirate]

When I first grabbed the torrent (English ver), there were a few seeds online and a couple hundred leechers. I got about 50 k/s to start out.

About an hour later, there were over 120 seeds and thousands of leechers. I was getting over 250 k/s.

How many other distribution methods can you say actually get FASTER when the bulk of the slashbots arrive on the scene? Bittorrent, my friends, is a beautiful thing.

Sure, when there aren't many folks on a torrent, its not that fast. And if there aren't any seeders you can't get the whole thing. But when a crowd this size comes into play, Bittorrent just makes sense.

I'm really surprised to see as many complaints as I saw in this thread. Especially given that bt is free, and that the speed has ramped up to rediculous proportions.

I managed to download a 696.2 MB file, which was posted on the front page of Slashdot, in 1h 25m. To me, thats absolutely stunning.

Go Bittorrent! And, if I may say so, thank you slashbots! When else can you say "thank you" for people slashdotting something? (Well, unless its a spammers IP...)

Re:Slashdot and Bittorrent

[cstec]

About an hour later, there were over 120 seeds and thousands of leechers. I was getting over 250 k/s.
How many other distribution methods can you say actually get FASTER when the bulk of the slashbots arrive on the scene? Bittorrent, my friends, is a beautiful thing.

What magic is this?

I'm getting a pathetic 8K down, but it's pegged at 25K up - for 2 straight hours now. 1:3 ratio on cable! which is 12:1 asymetric and pulls at 380k/sec from other sites just fine. WTF?!

Checking the torrent logs, there's even some guy that's been screwed to the tune of over 1:7(!) when he's only gotten 88Meg, while at the same time some leeches are being allowed to pull the whole 680+Meg with a 0.022:1 ratio.

This, after the BitTorrent documentation's harping moralism on fairness? Give it a rest; BitTorrent is a broken protocol.

Re:Slashdot and Bittorrent

[kyhwana]

Try throttling your upstream on your BT client (Or get a better one if it doesn't let you) to 1/2 or 2/3 your total upstream bandwidth.. If you use all your upstream, you're downstream speed will suck ass..
I'm on comcast cable, which (in real life) has 24-25K upstream, so I set my upstream throttle in Azeurus to 16K, and i'm now maxing out my downstream with just the knoppix DL.. (400K/s)

Re:Slashdot and Bittorrent

[Anonymous Coward]

maybe you are not using the right torrent client?

if in windows, try shareaza

Re:Slashdot and Bittorrent

[Anonymous Coward]

You have the right port forwarding? You can't download from anyone else behind NAT if you're behind one too.

Re:Slashdot and Bittorrent

[cstec]

Well, I restarted with it throttled (16k) and while it didn't max it out, it did triple the throughput, with occasional peaks. Apparently it's more the client than the protocol that's the issue. Or just my bad assuming the default install from the official release would work, I guess. ;-/

Re:Slashdot and Bittorrent

[PReDiToR]

Link! Link! Oh its a link!
</slashbot>

Re:Slashdot and Bittorrent

[42forty-two42]

The Wondershaper can throttle all upstream bandwith with one script, and prioritize ssh traffic too.

Re:Slashdot and Bittorrent

[HeghmoH]

It has nothing to do with the client or the protocol, it's just TCP at work. If you saturate your upstream bandwidth, your downstream bandwidth will suck because the ACKs don't get through. This is true of anything. If you saturate your outgoing bandwidth with a bunch of ftp connections, a completely unrelated HTTP download will be slow. Since it's very difficult to come up with a reasonable guess as to your available upstream bandwidth, the default install can't really prevent this from happening without some external help, either from a traffic shaper or from you typing in a number for a throttle.

Re:Slashdot and Bittorrent

[b0bby]

Do you know of any client that will let you throttle your downstream bandwidth? I sometimes download new distros at work, and I've found I can usually bring things to a crawl for everyone else if I use bt. If I could throttle the downstream as well as the upstream I could get a reasonable speed but not mess everyone else up.

Re:Slashdot and Bittorrent

[Daniel]

connecting to peers (0.0%)

...

connecting to peers (0.0%)

...

connecting to peers (0.0%)

...

connecting to peers (0.0%)

...

I have to agree: bittorrent's speed is beyond belief.

Daniel

PS: yes, I read the FAQ and poked appropriate holes in my NAT.

Re:Slashdot and Bittorrent

[harborpirate]

Azureus. Its an Open Source Java client available on sourceforge.

http://sourceforge.net/projects/azureus/

Its a great client that allows you to control just about everything, plus the detail view of torrents is absolutely outstanding. It displays how much you've got, which pieces you have and which are missing, which pieces you're currently downloading, and a view of the status of other clients leeching the torrent. Be careful, its mesmerizing, you may find yourself watching it as time slips by you :)

Re:Slashdot and Bittorrent

[Hungry Admin]

If you are going to game online while running some torrents in the background, it still pays to have your bittorrent software limit the upload speed so your game has some 'guaranteed' outgoing bandwidth. Otherwise, you will experience noticeably worse lag spikes in your game. (It's easier to merge on a freeway that's running below maximum capacity.)

Re:Slashdot and Bittorrent

[42forty-two42]

True, and with some tweaking you can do it - the wondershaper basically makes a high priority class that gets most of the bandwith, an everything else class with a tiny bit, then lets them use the other's unused bandwith. Keep it below your maximum upstream slightly, and you won't have any long queues.

Re:I've tried it already; here's my thoughts

[Anonymous Coward]

Um, why did you point us to a link that makes you look like an dipshit?

No LaTeX?

[Quattro Vezina]

Hmm...I actually use LaTeX far more than I use a regular word processor. That's not good.

I understand why the Knoppix guys did it tho...space on live CDs is a pretty big problem, and I suppose they had no choice if they wanted to upgrade KDE, OpenOffice.org, GIMP, etc.

It irks me, but I can live with it. And it's not like Knoppix is my main distro anyway--I mostly just play around with it and use it as an advocacy tool.

eBay

[Anonymous Coward]

wow the eBay sellers work fast.

Re:I've tried it already; here's my thoughts

[bfree]

I haven't booted it yet, but I think knx-hdinstall is gone know from knoppix, and knoppix-installer is the installation tool. Of course you can also just use a persistent home directory to keep some things around, and if you visit klik.berlios.de you can even install (some) more applications into that persistent home.

Shameless Plug

[CedgeS]

Sigh. I guess it's about time for me to update the Knoppix data rescue guide on how to use knoppix to rescue data off dying windows machines.

Re:Shameless Plug

[LinuxTard]

Thank you for the link. Now I have something to give my Windows friends in addition to the CD that they got as a stocking stuffer this christmas. It just may save me a phone call or two.

EMULE ed2k link (better than bittorrent)

[Anonymous Coward]

ed2k://|file|KNOPPIX_V3.4-2004-05-04-EN.iso|729880 576|5A5AC766474551CB7AB9BF7164DA3D3F|/

will they have fixed the 2.6 kernel?

[tsu doh nimh]

If I recall, early versions of the 3.4 disc froze up quite a bit after installing to the hard drive. tried unsuccesfully to load the 2.6 kernel onto the filesystem and in each case it panicked, on two different laptops. I googled the problem for weeks but no one seemed to know what the fix was. oh well, maybe i'll download another ISO and have a go at it again.

correction

[Anonymous Coward]

Be sure to delete the space between
729880 and 576

should be
729880576

Cygwin

[Anonymous Coward]

Latex can be found in Cygwin distribution. So, you can run the formatting app in Windows - no need to reboot and insert a CD. Why not use it instead of Knoppix?

Re:Cygwin

[Anonymous Coward]

> Latex can be found in Cygwin distribution.

Why would you use that rather than MiKTeX or fpTeX?

leaving stuff out

[sewagemaster]

here's what i dont really understand...
since this is a live CD, why would they take out koffice and latex while leaving development libraries in? sure developers need these things, but they would be compiling their large projects running their OS entirely off a liveCD. this is true too for hdd install - it includes a lot of junk that makes everything slow. i love knoppix and it's excellent hardware, but maybe this is one of the improvements it can make?

also, it would be great if the hdd installation tool would allow installing over seperate partitions, except everything under one....

Re:leaving stuff out

[Lothsahn]

Well, I'm glad they left the development libraries in. Here's why:

I tutor inner city kids, of all ages. Some just use knoppix for kids, which removes the development stuff for games and such, while other older kids are actually interested in learning how to use a computer.

For one of them, I'm actively using G++ to teach him about how to program in C++. Without knoppix, that would have been much more difficult, and I probably would have ended up downloading the free (as in beer) MS compiler.

Since it's included on knoppix, I can teach him both linux and C++ at the same time.

That's why it's in there :)

Re:leaving stuff out

[Gudlyf]

I have to imagine that in one of the next or close-to-next releases of Knoppix, they'll remove the 2.4 kernel stuff and default to 2.6, which will free up space again for other packages.

Firefox

[Anonymous Coward]

Still no Firefox? WTF is up with that? And I already have my own little scripts to install it so no advice needed, but why not just include it? I'm sure it's the most requested item.

To help...

[Anonymous Coward]

I left BT running several days after the last Fedora test download was complete. After this one is complete (Knoppix) I'll probably let it run a couple extra days too. BT can be slower than a fast FTP site but I like the idea of helping distribut all this great stuff...

... welcome to 6 weeks ago

[timerider]

... knoppix 3.4 was handed out at the cebit in march. at the booth of heise publishing house.

Re:... welcome to 6 weeks ago

[twener]

That was the Knoppix 3.4 *CeBIT* version - without KDE 3.2.2, OpenOffice 1.1.1 and Gimp 2.0.

Re:... welcome to 6 weeks ago

[Anonymous Coward]

Not everyone can afford to go to Germany.

I for one welcome the new distro as of now ...

Wait for service-pack 1......

[hughk]

ooops, sorry, it isn't Microsoft, not even RH.

First releases of Knoppix are actually quite good. What I like is that they remaster on a frequent basis so any minor problems and the latest fixes are scooped up very quickly.

Leaving things out (KOffice etc)

[Frodo420024]

No KOffice

For LiveCD's, I would love to have KOffice. It's good-looking, functional and fast. I understand the political reasons (MSOffice user migration), but would love to see a version with KOffice, LaTeX and possibly other stuff.

Ideally, someone would set up a server where one can pick and drop whatever modules needed and drop the rest (I don't use GIMP, for one), within the space limitations of your standard ISO. Download ISO, burn, and you have your very own Linux boot CD with the best of both worlds:

LiveCD

• Misconfiguration impossible
• Hard drive & HD install not needed
• No virus
• Runs on any machine at hand

Installed

• You get to choose the SW packages

Heck, I'd even pay to have such a CD beside my SuSE install.

Re:Leaving things out (KOffice etc)

[CPlusPlusOwnsYou]

but would love to see a version with KOffice, LaTeX and possibly other stuff.

They do have a version with KOffice and LaTeX, its called version 3.3

Re:Leaving things out (KOffice etc)

[Frodo420024]

They do have a version with KOffice and LaTeX, its called version 3.3

I guess someone will change the new version anyway, it's supposed to be easy.

running it now

[sewagemaster]

i'm running this right now off the CD. boot times might be a tad slower than v3.3, but all the apps run really fast. perhaps it's the newer version of kde it's using... but i'm guessing it's because of kernel 2.6.5 that it's using. (i've tried installing kernel 2.6.x before and i just got a bit tired of recompiling and recompiling. in the end i always end up with some bloated kernel that makes my system slower than before with kernel 2.4)...

one glitch when detecting SCSIs on my comp. got a seg fault during the detection... setting noscsi in lilo resolved this problem.

one thing i noticed is missing is the hard drive hdd install script/program that used to be there in all the older versions.

the c't preview version didnt have it either and google shows this link for a script for that version http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8171

anyone had any luck installing the new 3.4 on their comps?

Re:running it now

[keess2]

from the package list:

ii knx-installer 0.3-7 installs knoppix to hd

It IS on the CD (/usr/local/bin/knx-hdinstall?)

Re:running it now

[bfree]

The installer on Knoppix 3.4 is called "knoppix-installer" and not "knx-hdinstall". The old installer has indeed been removed, and replaced.

Re:running it now

[dobedobedew]

There is an installer, it's just not exactly the same as it used to be. It is now found at /usr/sbin/knoppix-installer.

I am very impressed by how snappy the whole thing feels now when you use the new kernel. On a fast enough computer, most users wouldn't know they were running from a CD. (I tested it on a P4 2.4GHz with 256MB of RDRAM)

Throttle your upstream , and use Wondershaper

[Hungry Admin]

kyhwana is right - you need to throttle your BT upload speed so that there's room for the acknowledgement packets you are sending to people you are downloading from. On my ADSL connection I have 1.5Mbps down and 256kbps up, so my uplink is theoretically able to handle 256/8 = 32 kbytes/sec, ignoring protocol overhead. I am using the wondershaper script on my firewall, so that gets eroded to 220kbps or about 27 kbytes/sec max throughput.

On a fast torrent I hit my max download speed (120 to 140 kbytes/sec) which uses about 6-8 kbytes/sec of my upload bandwidth for ACKs. So I can run up to 19 kbytes/sec uploading before I see congestion and slowdowns. I usually throttle it back to 15 kbytes/sec to maximize my downloading while allowing me to do other things online while BT is active. BT is set to allow a 10:1 ratio for your download speeds from other leechers. So, if you are uploading at 15 kbytes/sec, you should be able to download at 150 kbytes/sec. If you are downloading from a seed, then the ratio doesn't matter :-).

If I am only seeding, I can just let BT use the maximum uplink speed of my connection, since there isn't anything else downloading. The wondershaper script on my firewall is set up to give low priority to BT packets. Activity on my other machines will get placed at the front of the queue, if there is a queue. The price I pay for low latency for ssh, web browsing, email, and gmaing is the loss of about 15% of my max bandwidth. It's a worthwhile tradeoff.

NX project

[gmai]

It's great to see that NX
from NoMachine
is finally coming out on Linux distros. Will it be coming out with any others?

Re:NX project

[zoso]

there is already NX in Gentoo but I don't know of any other distribution officially supporting NX. But Nomachine is supporting most of them so it's just a matter of downloading the right package from their site.

Re:NX project

[xint_64]

Mandrake is also including it in the upcoming 10. See MandrakeLinux 10.

Re:NX project

[gmai]

Mandrake Powerpack and Powerpack+ to be precise.

Re:NX project

[Anonymous Coward]

Mandrake are cool!

They were also the first ones to use CUPS as the default printing system -- and it became the standard for the whole Unix world by now.

This is a good omen for NX/NoMachine.

That NX stuff is really worth it. Never seen as fast a remote GUI access and remote control of a workstation over ISDN. The good thing is it works even from Windows or Zaurus and iPAQ!

I found some cool screenshots here

\LaTeX Removal

[d-Orb]

While I tend to use LaTeX for everything, I understand that after all, Knoppix is a distro that enables loads of new users to try Linux for the first time and so on. They are not going to use LaTeX. Otoh, LaTeX (and a flurry of other scientific applications) would benefit from their own liveCD. And you know what? It exists!!!! It's called Quantian, and hopefully, a new version (based on Knoppix 3.4) will be out soon. Loads of math/engineering programs, TeX, LyX, Texmacs, scipy... Unfortunately, this project is not as visible as Knoppix (it's a derivative, after all).

Great! NX Client from NoMachine is included!

[Anonymous Coward]

Absolutely fantastic!

Klaus Knopper has included the NX Client from NoMachine!

NX is an extremley fast, highly compressing, low latency remote X (plus remote RDP and remote VNC) connector.

My home machine runs an NX server build only from the Open Source/GLP components of NX. (I bought a license of their commercial product, which works great, just to show them my appreciation of their work -- but I am the type of person who wants to tweak and study and modify software.)

Anyway, this Knoppix edition now enables me to access my home desktop servers (including my wife's WinXP box) from anywhere in the world, -- anytime by just booting a Knoppix on an internet-connected PC. (NX access to my desktop from my Zaurus already works flawlessly.)

NX doesn't require much bandwidth. A modem or ISDN connection is enough.

Really ubiquitous desktop computing is now present for me.

Re:Great! NX Client from NoMachine is included!

[zoso]

I would be great also to have the credit card size CD version with knoppix and NX. Like this I could have this always in my wallet booting whatever computer I want and connecting back to my app server back at work. So let's wait for somebody to release the stripped/mobile version of the CD. Why carry the whole CD of software with me if I can have only what I need to access it ?.

Re:Great! NX Client from NoMachine is included!

[gmai]

You can always put NX on a USB with the other stuff you need. Never leave home without your NX Client!!

Ban NX and NoMachine!

[Anonymous Coward]

This NoMachine/NX stuff seems to become almighty...

I can understand that a creditcard CD might be made with Knoppix.

But I don't understand how it could be booting in your wallet?

And how it could be booting from your wallet whatever computer you want?

Boy, you are scaring me! I better disconnect my boxen from the net now! If you can boot my machines from your wallet, you can certainly shut them down also. Not good at all.

NoMachine should be banned!

Re:Ban NX and NoMachine!

[gmai]

Ban NoMachine indeed! It's the best thing that has happened to protocol compression in a long time.

Consoles are your friend

[trezor]

I, for once, completely disagree with your statement. I loathe playing games on my computer.

Yes, I got a descent setup, but I haven't bothered to invest any real money on a proper 3d card, and I won't bother any time soon.

You want to know why? Every new game tries to push the graphics harder. Every game is trying so hard to have the best graphics ever, that for every new game release, you'll need to reinvest in new hardware if you want smooth playing. To be fair, these upgrades is maybe just needed on a annual basis, but you get my point.

I have found (in my opinion) that good gameplay often seems to come second to this awesome graphics, and then I really can't care less. If it looks good, but plays like shit, it's shit.

And then there's driver hell, compatability issues and so on... Getting a game to run in Windows almost requires you to be a skilled hacker. I for once want to get the game and then play it.

And this is what a console does. Yes, there are fixed specs which any current PC will beat easily, but on a console you know the game were written for these exact specs, and it will run smoothly, fine and without any problems or configuration. Insert game, play game.

Not to mention that console-games seems to focus more on good gameplay than awesome garphics. If you ask me that's a good priority.

I'll play games on a console rather than a PC anyday.

Re:Consoles are your friend

[Enucite]

Did you read my post before replying? Allow me to emphasize a few things this time...

My complaint is that, to me, most console games have NO REPLAY VALUE . Yeah, a lot of them are good games, but they don't last very long.

And you seem to have skipped the part where I talked about the expenses. I found that a console was MORE EXPENSIVE for me because the games don't last as long. So I was spending $100-$150 per month on console games to keep myself busy. With a PC the games last long enough that I'll go a few months without buying one. You know how much a video card good enough to play any of the latest games for the next 6 months costs? $150. I was dropping twice that in 3 months on console games.

And yeah, ATi cards have trouble with drivers, but it's just a matter of keeping them updated; it's not that bad. Although if you don't want to deal with it, you should be using an nVidia card instead of ATi.

As I said before, this only applies to people who do a lot of gaming. With casual gamers who just play a couple hours a week, a console is a better way to spend their money. For people who love gaming, a Windows PC is really the only choice.

Re:Consoles are your friend

[silicon not in the v]

You want to know why? Every new game tries to push the graphics harder. Every game is trying so hard to have the best graphics ever, that for every new game release, you'll need to reinvest in new hardware if you want smooth playing. To be fair, these upgrades is maybe just needed on a annual basis, but you get my point.

I know what you mean, but it's a thing called patience. My computer specs just lag a few years behind the cutting edge and then my upgrades are tons cheaper, and I don't have to shell out a bunch of money for those expensive graphics cards. The games are far cheaper, too, because they're a few years old. I have enjoyed playing Starcraft for the last several years, which ran slowly on the P-100 I had at first. I've done a few upgrades in the last few years so now I just tried Unreal Tournament (original version--not 2004), which you can get for under $10 now, and it runs really smoothly on my K6-2 300MHz and 16MB video card. In a couple of years and another cheap upgrade or two I'll probably be able to go to UT2K4 and Counter Strike.

No Kmail?

[Anonymous Coward]

No Kmail? Wish I read that before wasting hours downloading the torrent. Couldn't the other apps in Koffice have been removed without taking out kmail?

I've tried Mozilla mail, but it is totally different than kmail.

Working without Kword is one thing. Working without email is another. This just broke Knoppix for me.

Are there other mail clients for kde that I can try?

Re:No Kmail?

[twener]

KMail is not a part of KOffice, so no - KMail has not been removed from Knoppix 3.4.

Re:No Kmail?

[Anonymous Coward]

Kmail is in...

Try "knoppix splash"

[Anonymous Coward]

Hi,

if you want to see something really cute, try "knoppix splash" on the boot commandline. :-)

Local Area Security

[Anonymous Coward]

localareasecurity.com

Good times.

Did you know....

[Anubis350]

Resume needs to be in .doc format that can be read by MS Word

...that openoffice.org can write and read *.doc files perfectly fine...

I've been slowly moving over to linux on my desktop on my various machines for a couple years now. My main desktop dual boots gentoo and win2k, my laptop dual boots suse 9.0 and win2k and my secondary machines are all dual bootable or entirely linux of various ilks. My servers have been running freeBSD(I know, not linux) and suse respectively for a while now.

I've found that while migrating on the desktop takes some time because one needs to find open source packages that closely mirror what you did with closed source, the open source programs are usually better (I'm not going to get into a rant on benefits of open source here, it would be preaching to choir). If you want to migrate to linux I would suggest finding opensource packages for windows such as open office (openoffice.org), gaim (gaim.sourceforge.net) and mozilla (mozilla.org) using them for a while and then switching to linux

as for games, many work perfectly fine under winex (transgaming.com) and some of the better new games are out for linux (such as UT2004). so you should be in good shape. go ahead and give tux another try, he might surprise you.
--Aaron

Re:Did you know....

[qazamotto]

Too true, I am slowly converting my girlfriend over to linux. Her main grief and fears about switching is that she can't use her office documents she has at work. She emails them home and works on them there as well. I just got open office running on her machine and she is somewhat happy. She still doesn't like how the layout is and cannot figure out where some of the forumla's are hidden in open office. Overall soon she will be a Linux convert as well! (Granted I think I am gonna start her out on slackware.. Might as well get her in with both feet!)

Bittorrent is not working

[Horia]

Seems that the tracker is overwhelmed with requests and cannot cope. The bittorrent developpers need to work more on this.

Bittorrent lately dissapoints me a lot. I've seen cases when all my peers and myself trying to get a very popular file have very poor speeds, like under 10kbps. It almost never can reach the top speed of my net connection :-(

Yeah, it sometimes works. But slow starts and some problems in achieving high speeds spoils the fun for me.

Maybe we need a new one.

Citrix::"Ban NX and NoMachine!"

[Anonymous Coward]

Boy, you are scaring me!

Me too!
NX renders all my Citrix licenses invalid. I hope my boss doesn't read about their dirt-cheap pricing, otherwise he'll kick my butt and sack me right away.

Stupid /me last week signed an expensive Microsoft/Citrix Thin Client 200 seats contract, and this money hasn't been financed yet, let alone written off!

Re:Citrix::"Ban NX and NoMachine!"

[gmai]

NX is soo much faster, not only cheaper. You didn't research hard enough!

Re:Citrix::"Ban NX and NoMachine!"

[Anonymous Coward]

It doesn't make it any better or more comforting to my that I bought the more expensive product which is even slower, Dude!

Can't you see my point? I'm in deep shit.

nethack!

[emanuelez]

Where is it???? Please don't tell me took it off for space reasons!

Knoppix, HW Detection, and Debian

[tilleyrw]

1. 
   

   I was installing Debian on a Dell Dimension 2350. Installing X-windows is not a problem now that 4.3.0 has drivers for the Intel 82845G board. The crucial element was network connectivity using the Broadcom 4401 chip. The standard Debian install CD does not include this driver which was found with Knoppix 3.3.
   

   Knoppix is the first distribution, of which I'm aware, to include Broadcom support. Diehard Linux users can recommend reviewing system parameters and Linux compatibility before purchase but the Dimension 2350 is a cheap, relatively high-powered machine3.
   

No latex???

[mu22le]

how am i supposed to write my Phd thesis on every pc i find on my way if there is no latex.
There is no way i am going to use 3.4. Sigh... i have been waiting so long for 2.6kernel on knoppix!

Anyone have any luck installing a Citrix client?

[mbourgon]

Something I've looked at is getting the Citrix client for Linux to work under Knoppix. It semi-worked under 3.2, didn't work under 3.3. I tried building a Morphix disk with it, no luck. Any suggestions on how to get it to work, or make a distro with it, would be greatly appreciated.

Ultimate Torrent Test

[mwilliamson]

I don't think I've ever seen a better test of bittorrent than that generated by this particular slashdotting. I wish more protocols scaled having a positive performance boost this way!

is there an easy way 2 install the 2.6 kernel w/ K

[xutopia]

cause I've had plenty of problems attempting to install the latest kernel on my slackware box. Has anyone been able to use the kernel from knoppix to install on other systems? Is there a how-to?

PDF - Here's why not

[fildo]

Better than half of all employers and recruiters I submit my PDF resume to email back and request DOC format. Who knows what percentage of those *don't* email back and just chunk it.

Re:Anyone have any luck installing a Citrix client

[sgd]

Why use Citrix when NX will do exactly the same thing and without all the hassle? Remote access at its best.

!!fast mirror!!

[Anonymous Coward]

fast mirror HERE

NX NoMachine

[sgd]

i have just downloaded the packages and discovered a wonderful thing called NX which gives me remote access. Has anyone checked it out ?

Dude, shut up.

[gosand]

I smoke a hell of a lot less pot and spend at lot less time on the computer overall

I'm sorry to hear that, would you like me to send you a Windows CD so you can carry on as before?

Uhh, don't listen to this guy, he is obviously insane. Now if you have any to spare, I could probably take it off your hands...

No so any more...

[gosand]

Morphix is definitely interesting, but it's not for the faint of heart. Building a Morphix ISO is one part education, one part command line voodoo, and one part dumb luck. ;-)

Not so any more. I switched my custom Knoppix ISO over to Morphix. There is a nice little perl script that can help you make a minimodule. Download a main module, and whichever minimodules you like, and burn them to a CD. It really has gotten much easier. Easier than building a Knoppix distro (which wasn't too hard either).

Sure, Morphix needs some improvements, but that is happening. Not only that, but the minimod generator builds a compressed filesystem. For instance - if you want a full, working Quake MegaTF server for Linux, you could download the Morphix mod for that, burn it to a CD with the LightGUI mainmod, and have a bootable Quake Server. OR you could just download the minimod file, uncompress it, and just have everything you need for a local Quake server.

Check out morphix.org for all the details.

Inclue Knoppix with a virus scanner

[Orion Blastar]

and it should be a great tool for the clueless Windows users who get infected and cannont find or remove viruses. Just boot te Knoppix CD modified to use a virus scanner like F-Prot.

Re:Inclue Knoppix with a virus scanner

[twener]

And what about current signatures? Why not offer the virus scanner as live install option then too?

Re:Inclue Knoppix with a virus scanner

[twener]

Just to add to myself that f-prot *is* an option in the Knoppix-Live Installer already.

Now all we need is full coLinux support

[ktulu1115]

This is great... Knoppix with 2.6.

I just used Knoppix the other day for the first time to save my FC2 test install (accidently removed wrong package). Thanks guys.

I can't wait till they have full boot-from-CDROM support for coLinux... Then I can always have a 2.6 kernel running on practically any machine I use.

Better Torrent than Slashdot's

[FreeUser]

Slashdotters appear to be a bunch of leaches unwilling to leave their sessions open for others to download with.

Fortunately, for those of us who weren't reading slashdot last night, suprnova.org has a far better torrent available (which still works the morning after):

http://66.90.75.92/suprnova//torrents/1681/KNOPPIX _V3.4-2004-05-04-EN.iso.torrent

After getting 0kB/s via the torrent provided to slashdot, I was gratified to be getting 79kB/s via the suprnova.org torrent.

Re:Better Torrent than Slashdot's

[Corydon76]

I'll second on this one. After only a few minutes waiting, the download is going quite well. I'd otherwise still be waiting for "Connecting to peers" on the official bittorrent.

Re:Better Torrent than Slashdot's

[Anonymous Coward]

I'm downloading http://66.90.75.92/suprnova//torrents/1681/KNOPPIX _V3.4-2004-05-04-EN.iso.torrent at around 80KB/s now, but I wonder why Azureus shows a file size smaller by 200K than http://torrent.unix-ag.uni-kl.de:6969/?

Re:Better Torrent than Slashdot's

[Anonymous Coward]

Could have a root kit installed, changing the overall size a little. (I know it smaller, but loop mounting is complicated)

Re:Better Torrent than Slashdot's

[Anonymous Coward]

Really? I think suprnova did not even get the MIME type right. All I get is a couple of lines of junk in my Mozilla, while the other link at least starts btdownloadgui.

Re:Better Torrent than Slashdot's

[Anonymous Coward]

I saved the .torrent file and loaded it into Azureus because, frankly, I haven't ever taken the time to get Bittorrent working with Mozilla.

Re:Better Torrent than Slashdot's

[Anonymous Coward]

My download from http://66.90.75.92/suprnova//torrents/1681/KNOPPIX _V3.4-2004-05-04-EN.iso.torrent, but the md5sum doesn't match with the one at ftp.uni-kl.de. How come? I turned off uploads on my Azureus client until I figure out what's up.

Re:Better Torrent than Slashdot's

[Anonymous Coward]

Perhaps because it's only the ISO and not the ISO with checksum and readme?

Re:Better Torrent than Slashdot's

[Squinky86]

I doubt it's anything to worry about. The supernova torrent is only for the iso. The torrent shown on /. has extra docs with it.

Re:Better Torrent than Slashdot's

[Anonymous Coward]

I don't think so. I used the md5 from the FTP site, I suppose it should match the ISO. On the other hand, I downloaded the ISO direct from the FTP site, and its md5 doesn't match either. So, I now have two different KNOPPIX_V3.4-2004-05-04-EN.iso files, neither of which have the same md5sum as given on the FTP site.

Re:Better Torrent than Slashdot's

[Anonymous Coward]

I still don't have an answer to this question, but the download finally came through on http://torrent.unix-ag.uni-kl.de:6969/. I also still don't know why the md5 checksum for the iso in the torrent doesn't match the checksum given at ftp.uni-kl.de.

Bootsplash

[ndege]

I know it seems crazy, but many [non-tech] people see all the startup stuff and get very confused.

Any idea if bootsplash made it in this version? (Mirrors seem clogged with the /. traffic...Duh.)

Only partial NTFS write support I think

[Anonymous Coward]

Kernel 2.6.5 has only partial support for writing to an NTFS file system afaik.

Re:Only partial NTFS write support I think

[juhaz]

The captive is not the vanilla kernel ntfs driver, it's a method of using wine to emulate necessary parts of winnt kernel, allowing use of the original ntfs.sys drivers to enable full read/write. Obviously this requires you to have windows, but then again if you don't, ntfs is probably not a problem.

Not unlike the original hacks to enable viewing of windows media, quicktime and realvideo/audio using the win32 dll's.

Knoppix for Media?

[Anonymous Coward]

Just wondering -- is there a derivative of Knoppix for playing DVD's, etc.? I have a laptop with one DVD drive that I'd like to boot up with Knoppix that would also include Divx codecs/libraries. Then plop out the Knoppix CD and put my CD/DVD in to play whatever show I need.

I've messed up my media player too often trying to install a set of codecs to play Divx so if there's something that I can use without installing, it'd be great.

Re:Knoppix for Media?

[SharkPork]

Sure there is. there's a BUNCH of liveCD's made for that purpose, actually..

it was a slashdot story a while back, but it was such a good link that I kept it...

http://www.frozentech.com/content/livecd.php

Yeah! LaTeX gone!

[Lucky Kevin]

The only two things that I never load when putting up a Linux system are LaTeX and Emacs. Just think how much space will be saved if Emacs is taken off as well.

No one can argue with that, surely?

New Bittorrent link:

[WaZiX]

on http://www.tlm-project.org http://www.tlm-project.org/torrents/knoppix/3.4/KN OPPIX_V3.4-2004-05-04-EN.iso.torrent -WaZ-

Need a Windows boot CD

[JamesR2]

You know, much as I like Knoppix, what I really need is a Windows XP boot CD. Not PE ... I need the whole OS to do quick testing and bring-to-a-friends.

Attn: NZ users...

[Anonymous Coward]

debian.co.nz has it mirrored now.

Everyone else: you can't get at it. Sorry.

mirror

[peroskar]

since knoppix.org is very slow in responding and the bittorrent tracker is down too i've put up a mirror here.

List of Mirrors

[bearl]

Okay, yes, this is Karma Whoring. I need some, alright? And since I've only managed to get this list of mirrors to display once today, maybe it'll help someone. Here's a list of Mirrors from the Knoppix site. Not all of the mirrors are updated yet, but I found a copy, and a speedy connection, at the Quicknet.nl mirror (not that it'll last long after I mention it, but it's a place to start). ftp://slugsite.louisville.edu/knoppix/ http://slugsite.louisville.edu/knoppix/ ftp://raven.cslab.vt.edu/pub/linux/knoppix/ ftp://uiarchive.uiuc.edu/mirrors/ftp/ftp.uni-kl.de /pub/linux/knoppix/ http://uiarchive.uiuc.edu/mirrors/ftp/ftp.uni-kl.d e/pub/linux/knoppix/ ftp://ftp.cise.ufl.edu/pub/mirrors/knoppix/ ftp://csociety-ftp.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/knoppix/ http://csociety-ftp.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/knoppix/ ftp://ftp.webtrek.com/pub/mirrors/knoppix/ ftp://mirror.csit.fsu.edu/knoppix/ http://mirror.csit.fsu.edu/knoppix/ ftp://ftp.uni-oldenburg.de/linux/ftp.knopper.net/k noppix/ ftp://ftp.quicknet.nl/pub/Linux/ftp.knoppix.org/ ftp://ftp.leo.org/pub/comp/os/unix/linux/knoppix/ http://archiv.leo.org/pub/comp/os/unix/linux/knopp ix/ ftp://ftp.iasi.roedu.net/pub/mirrors/knopper.net/ http://ftp.iasi.roedu.net/mirrors/knopper.net/ ftp://ftp.cs.uni-frankfurt.de/pub/linux/knoppix/ ftp://ftp.it.ca/pub/mirrors/knoppix/ ftp://sunsite.cnlab-switch.ch/mirror/knoppix/ http://sunsite.cnlab-switch.ch/ftp/mirror/knoppix/ ftp://ftp.rediris.es/mirror/knoppix/ http://sunsite.rediris.es/mirror/knoppix/ ftp://sunsite.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/pub/Linux/ knoppix/ http://sunsite.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/ftp/pub/L inux/knoppix/ ftp://sunsite.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/pub/Linux/ knoppix/ http://sunsite.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/ftp/pub/L inux/knoppix/ http://spirit.bentel.sk/knoppix/ ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/knoppix/ http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/knoppix/ ftp://ftp.gui.uva.es/pub/mirrors/knoppix/ http://tyge.sslug.dk/knoppix/ ftp://tux.cprm.net/pub/knoppix/ http://tux.cprm.net/pub/knoppix ftp://debian.co.nz/ http://debian.co.nz/download/ ftp://ftp.polinux.upv.es/Mirrors/knoppix/ ftp://ftp.freenet.de/pub/ftp.uni-kl.de/pub/linux/k noppix/ http://ftp.freenet.de/pub/ftp.uni-kl.de/pub/linux/ knoppix/ ftp://ftp.rhnet.is/pub/knoppix/ http://ftp.rhnet.is/pub/knoppix/ ftp://gd.tuwien.ac.at/linux/knoppix/ http://gd.tuwien.ac.at/linux/knoppix/ ftp://knoppix.ftp.fu-berlin.de/ ftp://ftp.is.co.za/linux/distributions/knoppix/ http://ftp.is.co.za/linux/distributions/knoppix/ ftp://ftp.mirror.ac.uk/sites/ftp.uni-kl.de/pub/lin ux/knoppix/ http://www.mirror.ac.uk/sites/ftp.uni-kl.de/pub/li nux/knoppix/ ftp://ftp.knoppix.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr/knoppix/ ftp://ftp.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de/pub/linux/knoppix/ ftp://ftp.free.fr/pub/Distributions_Linux/knoppix/ ftp://ftp.caliu.info/pub/distribucions/knoppix/ http://ftp.caliu.info/pub/distribucions/knoppix/ ftp://planetmirror.com/pub/knoppix/ http://planetmirror.com/pub/knoppix/ ftp://ftp.tu-ilmenau.de/Mirrors/knoppix/ http://ftp.tu-ilmenau.de/Mirrors/knoppix/ ftp://ftp.tu-chemnitz.de/pub/linux/knoppix/ http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/urz/netz/ftp.html ftp://ftp3.linux.it/pub/mirrors/knoppix/ http://ftp3.linux.it/pub/mirrors/knoppix/ ftp://source.rfc822.org/pub/mirror/knoppix/ http://source.rfc822.org/pub/mirror/knoppix/ ftp://mirror.pacific.net.au/knoppix/ http://mirror.pacific.net.au/knoppix/ ftp://ftp.uni-kl.de/pub/linux/knoppix/ ftp://ftp.ntua.gr/pub/linux/knoppix/ http://ftp.ntua.gr/pub/linux/knoppix/ ftp://xenia.sote.hu/pub/mirrors/knoppix/ http://xenia.sote.hu/ftp/mirrors/knoppix/ ftp://ftp.skynet.be/pub/knoppix/ http://ftp.skynet.be/pub/knoppix/ ftp://ftp.chg.ru/pub/Linux/knoppix/ http://ftp.chg.ru/pub/Linux/knoppix/ ftp://ftp.ux0.de/pub/linux/knoppix/ http://ftp.ux0.de/pub/linux/knoppix/

Did you get any serious leads from them?

[JimmytheGeek]

In my view, even during the boom times recruiters were for shit.

I got great job-hopping opportunities by word of mouth and the newspaper.

Downloading the iso via other p2p networks

[patelbhavesh]

Here are the links if you want to download via other p2p networks like edonkey,gnutella,kazaa.

Gnutella
magnet:?xt=urn:sha1:HSKNSU6D57XW7A6Y7I D5DWU3BX463I L3&dn=KNOPPIX_V3.4-2004-05-04-EN.iso

Edonkey and Overnet
ed2k://|file|KNOPPIX_V3.4-2004-05-04-EN.i so|729880 576|93356e4d37bf7301cf800fbabcb3e3fc|

Kazaa / Grokster / IMesh
sig2dat://|File: KNOPPIX_V3.4-2004-05-04-EN.iso|Length: 729880576 Bytes, 712774KB|UUHash: =pXEQz/qtyruR10lkr1NSPH+Icpc=|

Fucking Torrent is Fucked!

[LazLong]

I can't get the fucking torrent to start! Mod this message up so my karma is better....Then maybe it'll start....

I'm trying to download it but....

[Quebec]

I'm trying to download it but BitTorrent stucks at "connecting to peers (0.0%)" and it's been like this for the last 20 hours, I did many attempts to restart the btdownloadcurse.py app.
This is happenning at home where I know that the necessary ports are open as well as it is happening at work. From both places I used to do some transfers (although at work I never did understand how my client got through the company firewall to upload but it did).

To make things short: My BitTorrent client used to work but it doesn't with Knoppix 3.4, is there anyone with the same problem out there?

WARNING: "New Bittorrent link" MD5SUM mismatch

[Quebec]

WARNING: "New Bittorrent link" MD5SUM mismatch
I downloaded the iso file using WaZiX' link
and the result iso file got a md5sum of
49a62cdac7a3afcee0d2d47ea17daa6f
for the file
KNOPPIX_V3.4-2004-05-04-EN.iso

And the official mirror sites Purdue, tp.gwdg.de,
sunsite and some others publish a MD5SUM of
8e9cd4d310ad8381d1ec3326c6caae2b
for the file
KNOPPIX_V3.4-2004-05-04-EN.iso

If ever you are asking yourselves if I did get mixed up between .DE.iso and .EN.iso or between 3.3 and 3.4: I did not (maybe the providential
provider did, I don't know).

So I'm stopping my BitTorrent client right now
just in case it's some malware of any form.

Re:WARNING: "New Bittorrent link" MD5SUM mismatch

[CalsailX]

Just did a search that took me to
the form at www.knoppix.net the md5sum
in a post of one of the site admins
from Mon May 03,2004 11:16 pm
matches what you and
I got...

Trying a mirror

[EdMcMan]

A while ago I found something called freecache.

Try downloading from this link and eventually it should get mirrored on high speed servers.

Re:I've tried it already; here's my thoughts

[mh101]

Huh? I posted a link to the identical text, in a different story. I'm saying the original AC comment plagerized someone else's post.

New version out 20040510

[Hungry Admin]

There's a new version out as of May 10. According to the changelog the problematic SCSI drivers have been removed from the normal boot sequence.

* V3.4-2004-05-10 (small updates)
- removed some scsi modules from the regular knoppix26 (Kernel 2.6) startup
because they are unstable. Use "expert26" to load them.
- Added script for generating bootfloppies in Knoppix "Utilities" menu
- Harddisk installer update from Fabian Franz
- "knoppix splash" fixes
- timezone and language setting add-ons
- added linlinc1 for captive-ntfs for download capabilities
- changed some e100/eepro100 network driver entries in hardware detection
- the usual debian package updates