I saw, or rather heard, two very knowledgeable guys helping people and having a good time doing it. Car Talk is/was a gem and will be sorely missed by the thousands of people that they have helped and millions of people that they have entertained over the last 25 years.
It is too bad that the parent poster didn't call them to learn how to change the channel on that radio thing in the dashboard of their car.
What makes you think I listen to them? As soon as I hear those two jackasses with their abrasive Boston accents I immediately power the radio off. Even if it's a five second promo for their show I'll switch the radio off. I don't care what the people with mod points think. I think that Click and Clack are a pair of overrated unfunny jackasses. I fucking hate them. End of.
Any other conclusions you'd like to jump to, you amusingly stupid mucksavage?
I guess you can tag the parent Flamebait, but I think it serves a valid purpose. Not everyone loves the show. Some people are sickened by the thousands of hours of perfectly good broadcast time that are wasted on the hyenas in question each week.
To quote Harry Shearer, whose Le Show followed Car Talk at the time, "Memo to the Car Talk guys: Stop Laughing."
Preach it brother!
I get that it's a popular show, and I actually liked it the first time I heard it. But once I noticed the incessant hyena laughing it just got old very quickly. It's like a loudly ticking clock. You might not notice it, but once you do it can be as irritating as all hell.
Goodbye and good riddance to radio's most irritating show. What people saw in it I do not know. Two guys laughing like hyenas at everything each other says whether it's funny or not. Gimme a break!
My degree was in Manufacturing Engineering, but by the time I graduated there was no money and few opportunities in manufacturing in the UK where I lived compared to IT. So I went into IT. Started at the bottom of the ladder at PC support. I was able to talk my way into that job because I had a bit of CAD/CAM knowledge and some experience as a CAD draughtsman, but it actually didn't work out very well because it was in a small company where I was thrown in at the deep end and expected to learn a million things all on my own. It was more than I could take in.
I ended up doing various agency jobs doing clerical work, but along the way I was able to teach myself little scripting tricks using the macro languages of those office software tools. It was around this time that I got a lucky break and got some free Microsoft training that could have led to certification. The training company also set me up with a job interview for a position as a UNIX administrator. At that interview I openly admitted that I had limited UNIX experience (just as a user) but I talked up the self-teaching aspect of what I did in those clerical jobs and assured them that I wasn't intimidated by complexity or a different system from what I'm used to.
That's what swung it for me in the end and I got the job, although it helped that I was able to get across that I'm a good communicator. All other job applicants had computer science degrees, but mine was unique and it helped me to stand out from the crowd.
The fact that your friend has a degree of some sort means that he's in the running (the headline of this post is very misleading, it implies that your friend has no degree at all). If he's a good communicator and can give examples that show he can learn and apply new skills then I think he has every chance. I'd tell him to pick up any scrap of knowledge from any source that he can get it from. If he can do pro-bono work for non-profit organisations, friends or anyone else on a tight budget then that might help to build up his resume. I was able to do that with my web developer skills, building websites for friends' sports clubs free of charge (apart from hosting expenses).
To answer your question about certification, I don't completely discard the value of it and if he can go down that route then by all means do so. But I think his energy might be better spent getting practical experience under his belt and grabbing any scrap of training he can get from any source.
Good luck!
PS, I never followed through with the certification in the end.
Attention market fundamentalists and other assorted "nanny state" alarmists: High Fructose Corn Syrup is ubiquitous because of farm subsidies to the electorally-imprtant corn farmers of Iowa. This is where the market has been distorted. This is why processed diabetes-inducing food is cheaper than healthy produce. In the absence of the big evil government "getting out of the way" and allowing the market to do its thing with HFCS, the next best thing it can do is tax the stuff and try to undo its unwitting promotion of the product.
The researchers and students did it, not the school.
Ok then, "a number of people working at MIT has devised a way of creating complex, self-assembling 3D nanostructures of wires and junctions." There, happy now? Or do you think they'd have been able to do this in their garages without the resources of an institution like MIT?
how about you pay for your healthcare, I'll pay for mine, and you can keep your damn nose out of whatever the hell I want to do.
Maybe I can't afford it. Maybe I can't work because I suffer from some rare condition. Maybe it's so expensive that I have to choose between keeping my house and getting chemo.
I'm sick sore and tired of listening to conservatives who have been brainwashed by big pharma interests into thinking that healthcare is a business and not a fundamental human right. People like you were around in 1906 when San Francisco was allowed to burn to the ground because some people didn't have fire insurance and the firefighters let buildings burn. Well guess what? The fires spread, the city was wiped off the face of the earth and the penny finally dropped that maybe we should provide fire coverage as a public service just like we do with police.
Over 45,000 people have died in America because of lack of health care coverage. But I suppose people like you think that this holocaust is just a good example of capitalist survival of the fittest in action, don't you?
You like to bungee jump? What about parachuting? Rock climber? Do you walk in the city? Do you...
Its so easy to make other people pay isn't it, well it is when you have the force of government to make people do what is good for them. After all, you know what is good for them don't you. You should fear people who know what is good for you because your next.
I think it's pretty well established by now that smoking is bad for you. And why you brought cycling or walking into it I do not know. Why would you tax an activity with so many benefits to health and reduction of congestion? Nothing in your post makes any sense whatsoever.
I wish you weren't here. Don't take it personally, it isn't.. but we don't need more Oracle DBAs, Java Programmers, network engineers etc.etc. The immigration programs should be used to attract professionals we do not have readily in supply. Yes, who wants to compete with the world, why should we have to put up with it and how would you like me to come to your country and do the same thing to you? The way it should have worked is you should have had to get a Green Card first before coming here. I admit chances are you wouldn't be here that way but you're not a brain surgeon obviously if you're hanging out on/. But also to be fair, it shouldn't have cost you thousands of dollars in fees either, just a nominal fee for entering the lottery and processing.
Monkeys don't get any better at programming just because you throw more money at them. Sometimes you have to look further afield if you want to get qualified people.
Well that's where you're wrong actually. Putting artificial barriers in the way of who can and cannot get into the country is the exact opposite of the free market. Your little suggestion about dictating what H1B employees should earn is exactly the kind of interference in the market that you lament in almost every other sentence of that post. Your statement is a classic example of doublethink. You're either for the free market (and the free movement of labor that goes with it) or you're not, or you're in favour of some sort of compromise. But don't ask for trade barriers in one breath and complain about distorting the market in the next.
Might need a bit more historical data to back that up... It's pretty well known that Vikings did come to the new world, but I haven't seen anything yet to suggest they were pushed out by the natives.
I'm not even saying you're wrong, just that I haven't heard about it (and would find it fascinating...)
I only learned about this lately myself. Have a shuftie at this:
The Myth:
Our history books don't really go into a ton of detail about how the Indians became an endangered species. Some warring, some smallpox blankets and... death by broken heart?
When American Indians show up in movies made by conscientious white people like Oliver Stone, they usually lament having their land taken from them. The implication is that Native Americans died off like a species of tree-burrowing owl that couldn't hack it once their natural habitat was paved over. But if we had to put the whole Cowboys and Indians battle in a Hollywood log line, we'd say the Indians put up a good fight, but were no match for the white man's superior technology. As surely as scissors cuts paper and rock smashes scissors, gun beats arrow. That's just how it works.
The Truth:
There's a pretty important detail our movies and textbooks left out of the handoff from Native Americans to white European settlers: It begins in the immediate aftermath of a full-blown apocalypse. In the decades between Columbus' discovery of America and the Mayflower landing at Plymouth Rock, the most devastating plague in human history raced up the East Coast of America. Just two years before the pilgrims started the tape recorder on New England's written history, the plague wiped out about 96 percent of the Indians in Massachusetts.
In the years before the plague turned America into The Stand, a sailor named Giovanni da Verrazzano sailed up the East Coast and described it as "densely populated" and so "smoky with Indian bonfires" that you could smell them burning hundreds of miles out at sea. Using your history books to understand what America was like in the 100 years after Columbus landed there is like trying to understand what modern day Manhattan is like based on the post-apocalyptic scenes from I Am Legend.
Historians estimate that before the plague, America's population was anywhere between 20 and 100 million (Europe's at the time was 70 million). The plague would eventually sweep West, killing at least 90 percent of the native population. For comparison's sake, the Black Plague killed off between 30 and 60 percent of Europe's population.
While this all might seem like some heavy shit to lay on a bunch of second graders, your high school and college history books weren't exactly in a hurry to tell you the full story. Which is strange, because many historians believe it is the single most important event in American history. But it's just more fun to believe that your ancestors won the land by being the superior culture.
European settlers had a hard enough time defeating the Mad Max-style stragglers of the once huge Native American population, even with superior technology. You have to assume that the Native Americans at full strength would have made shit powerfully real for any pale faces trying to settle the country they had already settled. Of course, we don't really need to assume anything about how real the American Indians kept it, thanks to the many people who came before the pilgrims. For instance, if you liked playing cowboys and Indians as a kid, you should know that you could have been playing vikings and Indians, because that shit actually happened. But before we get to how they kicked Viking ass, you probably need to know that...
I haven't done a huge amount of research into this, but if it's true then it sounds to me like someone needs to get busy digging deeper into American history and bringing Hollywood up to speed on it.
McDonald advises teachers to start the year off with a short section on the nature of science. “Once I started to do this, I had fewer challenges in my classroom,” he says.
Sounds like a good way to deal with the "just"-a-theory crowd.
I was fortunate enough to have a company sponsor me on a H1B. It took me six years of waiting and thousands of dollars in lawyer's fees to adjust my status, i.e. go from H1B to Green Card. It's not that easy. The people on the Mayflower would be turned back if they made that trip today.
The American Indians wouldn't have suffered as much genocide had they been able to enact and enforce a meaningful immigration policy.
They were doing pretty well at "enforcing immigration policy" when the Vikings tried to move on from Greenland and settle North America. It was disease that reduced their numbers later and made them vulnerable to the bible thumpers.
We have lots of citizens who need jobs. Send the foreigners home. Locals may need training, but let's get them working again.
Read my lips. No amount of training is going to bridge the shortage of skilled workers in the USA. Until something is done that actually addresses the problems in your education system this is always going to be an issue.
Oh, and there's plenty of work available in the fields picking fruit, but only foreign workers will do it.
I was fortunate enough to have a company sponsor me on a H1B. It took me six years of waiting and thousands of dollars in lawyer's fees to adjust my status, i.e. go from H1B to Green Card. It's not that easy. The people on the Mayflower would be turned back if they made that trip today.
My work explores the relationship between the Military-Industrial Complex and counter-terrorism.
With influences as diverse as Kierkegaard and Joni Mitchell, new tensions are synthesised from both constructed and discovered meanings. Ever since I was a teenager I have been fascinated by the endless oscillation of meaning. What starts out as triumph soon becomes corrupted into a tragedy of defeat, leaving only a sense of chaos and the dawn of a new reality.
As wavering derivatives become clarified through emergent and academic practice, the viewer is left with an impression of the limits of our future.
Impossible? No. Impractical, yes. Bordering on impossible if you want to make hundreds of the same exact shape. Of course since these are objets d'art you probably don't want too many of them. Signed, authenticated limited editions maybe?
At the risk of sounding like the typical/. nit-picker, I would have thought you'd have to use nanotechnology before you get close to making two things absolutely "identical".
Any bets on how much hand-wringing about 'big government' 'nanny state' and 'paternalism' there will be now that Bloomberg is targeting large sodas rather than the terrifying marijuana, assassin of youth?
I honestly don't much care for either reefers or Fructose-Extreme Big-Gulp Edition; but I find it endlessly curious how mere time seems to change perception of given public health and public safety crusades. Some city tells smokers to do it outside, or restarauants to cut down on their trans-fats, on pain of some paltry fine and the editorialists are ready to tell you that fascism has finally come to America; but the ones that get hunted down by actual cops and sent to real jail? Apparently not a concern...
Thank you! As soon as I see the words "nanny state" on/. I just brace myself for another round of "let's ignore the inconvenient fact that the government was elected fair and square by the people."
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I saw, or rather heard, two very knowledgeable guys helping people and having a good time doing it. Car Talk is/was a gem and will be sorely missed by the thousands of people that they have helped and millions of people that they have entertained over the last 25 years.
It is too bad that the parent poster didn't call them to learn how to change the channel on that radio thing in the dashboard of their car.
What makes you think I listen to them? As soon as I hear those two jackasses with their abrasive Boston accents I immediately power the radio off. Even if it's a five second promo for their show I'll switch the radio off. I don't care what the people with mod points think. I think that Click and Clack are a pair of overrated unfunny jackasses. I fucking hate them. End of.
Any other conclusions you'd like to jump to, you amusingly stupid mucksavage?
It's a show about a couple of guys having a good time while talking about cars.
It hits the nail on the head. I'm sorry people laughing cut's you so sharply. really, you should see some one.
HAHahhahahahahahaha hahaha
I don't have a problem with people laughing. I have a problem with dialog like the following (from an appearance they made on TV):
"Do you feel anything coming out of that exhaust?"
"Yeah."
"HWAHWAHWAHWAHWA!!!"
"HWAHWAHWAHWAHWA!!!"
You think that shit from those jackasses is funny? I think you're the one who needs to see someone.
I guess you can tag the parent Flamebait, but I think it serves a valid purpose. Not everyone loves the show. Some people are sickened by the thousands of hours of perfectly good broadcast time that are wasted on the hyenas in question each week.
To quote Harry Shearer, whose Le Show followed Car Talk at the time, "Memo to the Car Talk guys: Stop Laughing."
Preach it brother!
I get that it's a popular show, and I actually liked it the first time I heard it. But once I noticed the incessant hyena laughing it just got old very quickly. It's like a loudly ticking clock. You might not notice it, but once you do it can be as irritating as all hell.
Goodbye and good riddance to radio's most irritating show. What people saw in it I do not know. Two guys laughing like hyenas at everything each other says whether it's funny or not. Gimme a break!
My degree was in Manufacturing Engineering, but by the time I graduated there was no money and few opportunities in manufacturing in the UK where I lived compared to IT. So I went into IT. Started at the bottom of the ladder at PC support. I was able to talk my way into that job because I had a bit of CAD/CAM knowledge and some experience as a CAD draughtsman, but it actually didn't work out very well because it was in a small company where I was thrown in at the deep end and expected to learn a million things all on my own. It was more than I could take in.
I ended up doing various agency jobs doing clerical work, but along the way I was able to teach myself little scripting tricks using the macro languages of those office software tools. It was around this time that I got a lucky break and got some free Microsoft training that could have led to certification. The training company also set me up with a job interview for a position as a UNIX administrator. At that interview I openly admitted that I had limited UNIX experience (just as a user) but I talked up the self-teaching aspect of what I did in those clerical jobs and assured them that I wasn't intimidated by complexity or a different system from what I'm used to.
That's what swung it for me in the end and I got the job, although it helped that I was able to get across that I'm a good communicator. All other job applicants had computer science degrees, but mine was unique and it helped me to stand out from the crowd.
The fact that your friend has a degree of some sort means that he's in the running (the headline of this post is very misleading, it implies that your friend has no degree at all). If he's a good communicator and can give examples that show he can learn and apply new skills then I think he has every chance. I'd tell him to pick up any scrap of knowledge from any source that he can get it from. If he can do pro-bono work for non-profit organisations, friends or anyone else on a tight budget then that might help to build up his resume. I was able to do that with my web developer skills, building websites for friends' sports clubs free of charge (apart from hosting expenses).
To answer your question about certification, I don't completely discard the value of it and if he can go down that route then by all means do so. But I think his energy might be better spent getting practical experience under his belt and grabbing any scrap of training he can get from any source.
Good luck!
PS, I never followed through with the certification in the end.
Attention market fundamentalists and other assorted "nanny state" alarmists: High Fructose Corn Syrup is ubiquitous because of farm subsidies to the electorally-imprtant corn farmers of Iowa. This is where the market has been distorted. This is why processed diabetes-inducing food is cheaper than healthy produce. In the absence of the big evil government "getting out of the way" and allowing the market to do its thing with HFCS, the next best thing it can do is tax the stuff and try to undo its unwitting promotion of the product.
'MIT' did this... 'MIT' did that...
The researchers and students did it, not the school.
Ok then, "a number of people working at MIT has devised a way of creating complex, self-assembling 3D nanostructures of wires and junctions." There, happy now? Or do you think they'd have been able to do this in their garages without the resources of an institution like MIT?
Any other hairs you'd like to split?
depression isn't really an illness. It's a rational response to an abusive world.
That is completely incorrect.
how about you pay for your healthcare, I'll pay for mine, and you can keep your damn nose out of whatever the hell I want to do.
Maybe I can't afford it. Maybe I can't work because I suffer from some rare condition. Maybe it's so expensive that I have to choose between keeping my house and getting chemo.
I'm sick sore and tired of listening to conservatives who have been brainwashed by big pharma interests into thinking that healthcare is a business and not a fundamental human right. People like you were around in 1906 when San Francisco was allowed to burn to the ground because some people didn't have fire insurance and the firefighters let buildings burn. Well guess what? The fires spread, the city was wiped off the face of the earth and the penny finally dropped that maybe we should provide fire coverage as a public service just like we do with police.
Over 45,000 people have died in America because of lack of health care coverage. But I suppose people like you think that this holocaust is just a good example of capitalist survival of the fittest in action, don't you?
Ride a bike, pay more taxes.
Ride a motorcycle, pay double!
You like to bungee jump? What about parachuting? Rock climber? Do you walk in the city? Do you...
Its so easy to make other people pay isn't it, well it is when you have the force of government to make people do what is good for them. After all, you know what is good for them don't you. You should fear people who know what is good for you because your next.
I think it's pretty well established by now that smoking is bad for you. And why you brought cycling or walking into it I do not know. Why would you tax an activity with so many benefits to health and reduction of congestion? Nothing in your post makes any sense whatsoever.
Yup. And I see that someone with mod points has had a sense-of-humour-failure.
If you paid more, you would have more qualified people seeking you out.
Yeah, from outside the US.
I wish you weren't here. Don't take it personally, it isn't .. but we don't need more Oracle DBAs, Java Programmers, network engineers etc.etc. The immigration programs should be used to attract professionals we do not have readily in supply. Yes, who wants to compete with the world, why should we have to put up with it and how would you like me to come to your country and do the same thing to you? The way it should have worked is you should have had to get a Green Card first before coming here. I admit chances are you wouldn't be here that way but you're not a brain surgeon obviously if you're hanging out on /. But also to be fair, it shouldn't have cost you thousands of dollars in fees either, just a nominal fee for entering the lottery and processing.
Fuck you too, you amusingly stupid mucksavage.
Pay more.
Monkeys don't get any better at programming just because you throw more money at them. Sometimes you have to look further afield if you want to get qualified people.
Well that's where you're wrong actually. Putting artificial barriers in the way of who can and cannot get into the country is the exact opposite of the free market. Your little suggestion about dictating what H1B employees should earn is exactly the kind of interference in the market that you lament in almost every other sentence of that post. Your statement is a classic example of doublethink. You're either for the free market (and the free movement of labor that goes with it) or you're not, or you're in favour of some sort of compromise. But don't ask for trade barriers in one breath and complain about distorting the market in the next.
Might need a bit more historical data to back that up... It's pretty well known that Vikings did come to the new world, but I haven't seen anything yet to suggest they were pushed out by the natives.
I'm not even saying you're wrong, just that I haven't heard about it (and would find it fascinating...)
I only learned about this lately myself. Have a shuftie at this:
The Myth:
Our history books don't really go into a ton of detail about how the Indians became an endangered species. Some warring, some smallpox blankets and ... death by broken heart?
When American Indians show up in movies made by conscientious white people like Oliver Stone, they usually lament having their land taken from them. The implication is that Native Americans died off like a species of tree-burrowing owl that couldn't hack it once their natural habitat was paved over.
But if we had to put the whole Cowboys and Indians battle in a Hollywood log line, we'd say the Indians put up a good fight, but were no match for the white man's superior technology. As surely as scissors cuts paper and rock smashes scissors, gun beats arrow. That's just how it works.
The Truth:
There's a pretty important detail our movies and textbooks left out of the handoff from Native Americans to white European settlers: It begins in the immediate aftermath of a full-blown apocalypse. In the decades between Columbus' discovery of America and the Mayflower landing at Plymouth Rock, the most devastating plague in human history raced up the East Coast of America. Just two years before the pilgrims started the tape recorder on New England's written history, the plague wiped out about 96 percent of the Indians in Massachusetts.
In the years before the plague turned America into The Stand, a sailor named Giovanni da Verrazzano sailed up the East Coast and described it as "densely populated" and so "smoky with Indian bonfires" that you could smell them burning hundreds of miles out at sea. Using your history books to understand what America was like in the 100 years after Columbus landed there is like trying to understand what modern day Manhattan is like based on the post-apocalyptic scenes from I Am Legend.
Historians estimate that before the plague, America's population was anywhere between 20 and 100 million (Europe's at the time was 70 million). The plague would eventually sweep West, killing at least 90 percent of the native population. For comparison's sake, the Black Plague killed off between 30 and 60 percent of Europe's population.
While this all might seem like some heavy shit to lay on a bunch of second graders, your high school and college history books weren't exactly in a hurry to tell you the full story. Which is strange, because many historians believe it is the single most important event in American history. But it's just more fun to believe that your ancestors won the land by being the superior culture.
European settlers had a hard enough time defeating the Mad Max-style stragglers of the once huge Native American population, even with superior technology. You have to assume that the Native Americans at full strength would have made shit powerfully real for any pale faces trying to settle the country they had already settled. Of course, we don't really need to assume anything about how real the American Indians kept it, thanks to the many people who came before the pilgrims. For instance, if you liked playing cowboys and Indians as a kid, you should know that you could have been playing vikings and Indians, because that shit actually happened. But before we get to how they kicked Viking ass, you probably need to know that ...
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I haven't done a huge amount of research into this, but if it's true then it sounds to me like someone needs to get busy digging deeper into American history and bringing Hollywood up to speed on it.
Quoth TFA:
McDonald advises teachers to start the year off with a short section on the nature of science. “Once I started to do this, I had fewer challenges in my classroom,” he says.
Sounds like a good way to deal with the "just"-a-theory crowd.
I was fortunate enough to have a company sponsor me on a H1B. It took me six years of waiting and thousands of dollars in lawyer's fees to adjust my status, i.e. go from H1B to Green Card. It's not that easy. The people on the Mayflower would be turned back if they made that trip today.
The American Indians wouldn't have suffered as much genocide had they been able to enact and enforce a meaningful immigration policy.
They were doing pretty well at "enforcing immigration policy" when the Vikings tried to move on from Greenland and settle North America. It was disease that reduced their numbers later and made them vulnerable to the bible thumpers.
We have lots of citizens who need jobs. Send the foreigners home. Locals may need training, but let's get them working again.
Read my lips. No amount of training is going to bridge the shortage of skilled workers in the USA. Until something is done that actually addresses the problems in your education system this is always going to be an issue.
Oh, and there's plenty of work available in the fields picking fruit, but only foreign workers will do it.
I was fortunate enough to have a company sponsor me on a H1B. It took me six years of waiting and thousands of dollars in lawyer's fees to adjust my status, i.e. go from H1B to Green Card. It's not that easy. The people on the Mayflower would be turned back if they made that trip today.
Follow the link, mate. Follow the link
My work explores the relationship between the Military-Industrial Complex and counter-terrorism.
With influences as diverse as Kierkegaard and Joni Mitchell, new tensions are synthesised from both constructed and discovered meanings. Ever since I was a teenager I have been fascinated by the endless oscillation of meaning. What starts out as triumph soon becomes corrupted into a tragedy of defeat, leaving only a sense of chaos and the dawn of a new reality.
As wavering derivatives become clarified through emergent and academic practice, the viewer is left with an impression of the limits of our future.
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Impossible? No. Impractical, yes. Bordering on impossible if you want to make hundreds of the same exact shape. Of course since these are objets d'art you probably don't want too many of them. Signed, authenticated limited editions maybe?
At the risk of sounding like the typical /. nit-picker, I would have thought you'd have to use nanotechnology before you get close to making two things absolutely "identical".
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Beware the bombardment of direct mail they will send you when they get your address.
Any bets on how much hand-wringing about 'big government' 'nanny state' and 'paternalism' there will be now that Bloomberg is targeting large sodas rather than the terrifying marijuana, assassin of youth?
I honestly don't much care for either reefers or Fructose-Extreme Big-Gulp Edition; but I find it endlessly curious how mere time seems to change perception of given public health and public safety crusades. Some city tells smokers to do it outside, or restarauants to cut down on their trans-fats, on pain of some paltry fine and the editorialists are ready to tell you that fascism has finally come to America; but the ones that get hunted down by actual cops and sent to real jail? Apparently not a concern...
Thank you! As soon as I see the words "nanny state" on /. I just brace myself for another round of "let's ignore the inconvenient fact that the government was elected fair and square by the people."