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NPR's "Car Talk" Glides To a Halt

stevegee58 writes "After 25 years on the air, Tom and Ray Magliozzi (aka Click and Clack, The Tappet Brothers) are calling it quits in September. With their nerdy humor, explosive laughter and geek cred (both MIT alums) Tom and Ray will be sorely missed by the average NPR-listening Slashdotter." How many garages have names as cool as "Hacker's Haven"? I've long thought that someone should assemble a compilation featuring nothing but hours of their laughter. (Which will be available for sampling, since they will continue to play archived material for a long time yet.)

148 comments

  1. Shit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Nooooooo! These guys were brilliant!

    1. Re:Shit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      It has been fairly obvious that they've just been going through the motions for many years now. Twenty-five years is a hell of a long time to maintain something like that and eventually you're just re-doing your bits about car noises and pulling people's legs. I'm surprised they pushed on with it for so much longer after the spark clearly left them.

  2. Sad day by Igorod · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sad day indeed.

    1. Re:Sad day by icebike · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sad.

      I'm often seen walking down the street listening to their podcast grinning like a total idiot.
      I have several years worth to catch up on. Maybe I better order something from their Shameless Products division before those disappear as well.

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    2. Re:Sad day by hal2814 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Indeed. Their forum helped me find a local mechanic I could trust. I didn't always catch their show, but I'll certainly miss them.

    3. Re:Sad day by vesuvana · · Score: 1

      I agree. When I had to drive anywhere early on Sat mornings, listening and laughing aloud to their show made the drive more pleasant. Gone will be a corny kind of innocent humor that is still sorely needed these days, plus their formidable car knowledge. I often was amazed at how they could diagnose something based on a caller's illogical blabberings. It added to their mystique. Sometimes the passage of time just sucks.

    4. Re:Sad day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Click and Clack for Co-President. If they can fix a Fiat they can fix the country or at least be appointed to the Presidential Transmission Team. ;)

    5. Re:Sad day by j-beda · · Score: 1

      I often was amazed at how they could diagnose something based on a caller's illogical blabberings. It added to their mystique.

      I agree that they are hilarious and amazingly knowledgeable, but I think their process helps to make them look their "best". My understanding is not complete, but I was interested in phoning in once, so I gave them a call. At least when I called I was not put directly on the show, or even put it a queue but rather was asked by automation to give a detailed description of the issue, along with attempts at making noises like the problem and stuff like that. They then said that they would call me back for further stuff. I went no further as I was missing some details (model year of the car in this case) but I never called again to proceed further.

      I suspect that they screen the calls for wackos at the very least, but that they also want callers with good voices and clear speaking. When they do finally put people on the air the producers at least have a pre-knowledge of the problem and possibly have done some research so "Click and Clack" can be able to say things like "I think that model of obscure-car had troubles with the ashtray, and in 1963 they changed the retainer-clip design to prevent it falling out on your foot - maybe you can get one from the local junkyard." I don't think that they are pre-scripting or anything like that, but they certainly have the ability to get more info than would be available in a strictly "live call-in" type of format.

      This also gives them the ability to line up other people to bring into the conversation ("Let's call our professor friend." "Why don't we call your fiancee to hear their side?" "Where does your dad work? Let's call him!") and increase the laughs even more.

      In any case, "Car Talk" has been great fun over the years. My radio time has been limited for quite a while but a few years back I started doing lots of pod-casts and Car Talk has been a staple. Sad to hear it is finishing up.

  3. About bloody time by fiannaFailMan · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    Goodbye and good riddance to radio's most irritating show. What people saw in it I do not know. Two guys laughing like hyenas at everything each other says whether it's funny or not. Gimme a break!

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    1. Re:About bloody time by makisupa · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I guess you can tag the parent Flamebait, but I think it serves a valid purpose. Not everyone loves the show. Some people are sickened by the thousands of hours of perfectly good broadcast time that are wasted on the hyenas in question each week.

      To quote Harry Shearer, whose Le Show followed Car Talk at the time, "Memo to the Car Talk guys: Stop Laughing."

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    2. Re:About bloody time by fiannaFailMan · · Score: 2

      I guess you can tag the parent Flamebait, but I think it serves a valid purpose. Not everyone loves the show. Some people are sickened by the thousands of hours of perfectly good broadcast time that are wasted on the hyenas in question each week.

      To quote Harry Shearer, whose Le Show followed Car Talk at the time, "Memo to the Car Talk guys: Stop Laughing."

      Preach it brother!

      I get that it's a popular show, and I actually liked it the first time I heard it. But once I noticed the incessant hyena laughing it just got old very quickly. It's like a loudly ticking clock. You might not notice it, but once you do it can be as irritating as all hell.

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    3. Re:About bloody time by geekoid · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's a show about a couple of guys having a good time while talking about cars.

      It hits the nail on the head. I'm sorry people laughing cut's you so sharply. really, you should see some one.

      HAHahhahahahahahaha hahaha

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    4. Re:About bloody time by geekoid · · Score: 4, Insightful

      He's just bitter because he has forgotten how to make people laugh.

      Shearer hasn't been really funny for a long time.

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    5. Re:About bloody time by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      That is why I quit listening to this little Brit PC gadgets style podcast (Damned i wish I could think of the name, i HATE when i go blank like that) even though I loved the fact that would dish all kinds of info on CPU arches, new GPUs, all kinds of really nerdy tech talk because they got a new member and his ass laughs so damned much you want to scream "Just STFU you damned hyena, I'm trying to hear this cute but smart talk on geek stuff and the ONLY one laughing at your dumbass cracks is YOU!"

      so while I never listened to the car guys if they laugh at stupid shit constantly? yeah i can see why that would be hated. Its just not fun to try to hear details in audio with some jackass braying right in front of the damned mike.

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    6. Re:About bloody time by smartin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I saw, or rather heard, two very knowledgeable guys helping people and having a good time doing it. Car Talk is/was a gem and will be sorely missed by the thousands of people that they have helped and millions of people that they have entertained over the last 25 years.

      It is too bad that the parent poster didn't call them to learn how to change the channel on that radio thing in the dashboard of their car.

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    7. Re:About bloody time by SteveFoerster · · Score: 2

      Hmm... "Magliozzi", is that a Sephardic name or an Ashkenazi one?

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    8. Re:About bloody time by makisupa · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'd disagree about Le Show, but that's beside the point.

      I understand that people like CT, but my local NPR (opb.org) pays to play them twice a weekend. I know from listening to other NPR affiliates across the country over the 'net that there are some seriously good programs available for broadcast - programs that I suspect would even cost *less*.

      My NPR affiliates love to brag on the diversity and alternative voices that they provide to the community, but on weekends they spam me with nothing but Wait Wait, Praire HC, Car Talk and Michael Whoever's show. Few of those are terrible on their own merits, but the opportunity cost is disgraceful.

      Things have gotten marginally better over the years, but the weekend is a wasteland of chuckleheads. Every time the local NPR station brags on diversity I roll my eyes and think that I've always been able to listen to re-runs of CT twice a weekend but they've never broadcast a single episode of Tavis Smiley.

      I get their point - they're more serious than the fart-sound morning shows and more diverse than the honkey-trash christian country on other stations, but that should by no means be the hurdle by which they judge themselves.

      I'd seriously like to see a report on what is being paid for programming and what programming was turned down when the pledge drive comes around. I've always suspected that two lesser-known informative shows are passed by in order to chum the weekends with hyena talk.

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    9. Re:About bloody time by makisupa · · Score: 1

      Another argument - this show effectively became The Peanuts years ago. They could have been playing nothing but reruns for the last five years and few would have even notice.

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    10. Re:About bloody time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL apparently you don't know what's good entertainment value.

      They were popular and well-loved for a quarter century, utilizing humor and smarts to help guests and entertain their listeners. Congrats to them for their retirement!

    11. Re:About bloody time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Nice sig:

      "A matter of internal security, the age old cry of the oppressor" - Jean Luc Picard

      But if you want to update it for this century, it should probably read: "STOP RESISTING! The age old cry of the oppressor."

    12. Re:About bloody time by mattack2 · · Score: 2

      But once I noticed the incessant hyena laughing it just got old very quickly.

      Someone else can provide the specific details, but on a show in the past few years, there was a caller who I seem to remember had a delivery truck but somehow often ended up where there were lots of sheep or goats.. and the said animals would always freak out when he was playing Car Talk and the guys laughed.

    13. Re:About bloody time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you're going to write cut's, why don't you also write hit's?

    14. Re:About bloody time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Maybe not the most irritating but close. What they did was kill every other serious automotive radio talk show. There used to be several other radio shows that covered automotive technical subjects in depth. These bozos may known their stuff, but their show is about informative as Funnest Home Videos and their great ratings knocked all other automotive shows off the air.

      Good riddance.

    15. Re:About bloody time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      " I'm sorry people laughing cut's you"

      It is extremely regrettable that you have ( apparently ) been allowed to
      reproduce.

      One can only wonder, will your children work at Wal-Mart or will they
      work at McDonald's ? Of course they might just hang out on Burnside and
      panhandle so they can go get another hit of crack.

    16. Re:About bloody time by fiannaFailMan · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      It's a show about a couple of guys having a good time while talking about cars.

      It hits the nail on the head. I'm sorry people laughing cut's you so sharply. really, you should see some one.

      HAHahhahahahahahaha hahaha

      I don't have a problem with people laughing. I have a problem with dialog like the following (from an appearance they made on TV):

      "Do you feel anything coming out of that exhaust?"

      "Yeah."

      "HWAHWAHWAHWAHWA!!!"

      "HWAHWAHWAHWAHWA!!!"

      You think that shit from those jackasses is funny? I think you're the one who needs to see someone.

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    17. Re:About bloody time by fiannaFailMan · · Score: 0, Troll

      I saw, or rather heard, two very knowledgeable guys helping people and having a good time doing it. Car Talk is/was a gem and will be sorely missed by the thousands of people that they have helped and millions of people that they have entertained over the last 25 years.

      It is too bad that the parent poster didn't call them to learn how to change the channel on that radio thing in the dashboard of their car.

      What makes you think I listen to them? As soon as I hear those two jackasses with their abrasive Boston accents I immediately power the radio off. Even if it's a five second promo for their show I'll switch the radio off. I don't care what the people with mod points think. I think that Click and Clack are a pair of overrated unfunny jackasses. I fucking hate them. End of.

      Any other conclusions you'd like to jump to, you amusingly stupid mucksavage?

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    18. Re:About bloody time by fiannaFailMan · · Score: 2

      Laughing like a hyena at everything that comes out of your brother's mouth is not "humour". It's annoying idiocy.

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    19. Re:About bloody time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I love the show, but I can certainly see why some people are annoyed by it. There's nothing less funny than two guys laughing and laughing about something you don't consider funny.

    20. Re:About bloody time by swalve · · Score: 1

      I agree. Every time I listened, it was less in-depth than the "Goss' Garage" guy on Motorweek. Give me Paul Bryan any day!

    21. Re:About bloody time by gottabeme · · Score: 1

      I'll jump to one: you belittle others to make yourself feel better because you have low self-esteem. Maybe you'd have better self-esteem if you didn't undermine others'.

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    22. Re:About bloody time by DannyO152 · · Score: 1

      And there I was back then listening to KCRW and enjoying both. I do have to admit that I preferred Joe Frank or Cafe LA as following programs. But then, I could hear Car Talk on KPCC.

      Fast forward and I listen to Le Show and Car Talk on podcast. Incidentally, one Shearer's best recurring bits these days is Karzai Talk, which is more a satire on US involvement in Afghanistan than one on Click and Clack.

    23. Re:About bloody time by filthpickle · · Score: 1

      I use savage as a term of endearment for my close friends...but mucksavage......I like it.

    24. Re:About bloody time by hey! · · Score: 1

      Some people are sickened by the thousands of hours of perfectly good broadcast time that are wasted on the hyenas in question each week.

      To quote Harry Shearer, whose Le Show followed Car Talk at the time, "Memo to the Car Talk guys: Stop Laughing."

      I recently went over some Burns and Allen Show scripts, and discovered something very interesting: most of the jokes aren't that funny on the page, even though the shows are hilarious when you watch them. The strongest material is at the start and end of the routine, the stuff in the middle is usually just mildly amusing at best. It's all about timing. Not only could they do mediocre material in a way that made it funnier than it really was, but they made shrewd use of it, using it to keep the ball rolling once they'd got you laughing. If you flipped past the sketch and caught one or two gags in the middle, you'd wonder what all the fuss was about.

      In any case there are different kinds of humor, and "Car Talk" just doesn't happen to be Shearer's kind of humor; it's not *comedy*, nor is it *satire*. It's a couple of guys having a good time poking fun at themselves. Shearer is a funny guy, but I suspect the idea of not taking yourself seriously might hit a little close to home for him.

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    25. Re:About bloody time by fiannaFailMan · · Score: 1

      I'll jump to one: you belittle others to make yourself feel better because you have low self-esteem. Maybe you'd have better self-esteem if you didn't undermine others'.

      Incorrect. Car Talk is an unfunny, overrated, irritating radio show hosted by two jackasses who laugh like hyenas at everything they say to each other and somehow get away with passing it off as entertainment. Fact.

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    26. Re:About bloody time by gottabeme · · Score: 1

      I rest my case. You need to lighten up and not take yourself so seriously. Those guys may be old but they're young at heart. Having a low threshold of humor is healthy. I think I feel sorry for you if you feel so much hatred toward harmless, friendly, helpful guys like them.

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  4. Hey, well... by Haxagon · · Score: 1

    At least we still have Crazy Ira and The Douche, right?
    Right?

  5. Sadness. by iiii · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This makes me feel sad. They were a great part of Saturday mornings. I know they are up at retirement age, but I hope they find some other projects that help them share their wit and wisdom. Click and Clack Rock.

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    1. Re:Sadness. by iiii · · Score: 4, Informative
      BTW, here is their actual message to the fans announcing their retirement:

      http://www.cartalk.com/content/time-get-even-lazier

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    2. Re:Sadness. by dolo724 · · Score: 2

      Retiring?

      More like getting retreads.

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  6. New [EV] technologies... require new commentators. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why stop now...? Were they unready to embrace Electric Vehicles? "Too" ready...?

    Technologies change... perhaps a new generation must take over the helm, when they do...

    Perhaps the next generation of commentators (eg, for EV's) will come from Stanford, or another West Coast university... farthen from Detroit, closer to Japan / China and the Silicon Valley...?

  7. Re:New [EV] technologies... require new commentato by ivi · · Score: 1

    Or... maybe smart people just need to move-on to other interesting work...

  8. Thanks for all the laughs by sk999 · · Score: 3, Informative

    I first listened to them on WBUR, before they were picked up by NPR. "Cartalk Plaza" was located on Commonwealth Avenue, not in "Hahvuhd Squayah", and "our fair city" was Boston, not Cambridge. Been a long time since I wandered those haunts. Click and Clack weren't going to last forever, guess it's that time to move on.

    1. Re:Thanks for all the laughs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      Not entirely positive, but while I was at the 'Tute in the late '70's, there was a do-it-yourself car repair garage near where the Media Lab is today. I seem to recall hearing that our fair radio hosts may have been involved with that venture.

    2. Re:Thanks for all the laughs by bmo · · Score: 2

      Why is this downmodded?

      It's true. They actually did run a do-it-yourself car repair garage, and it turned out to be a disaster for them.

      Crikes.

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  9. Hacker's Haven??? by cpu6502 · · Score: 0

    I'm amazed they didn't get arrested by the TSA or FCC or DHS. Or at least get hatemail from the same people who spammed a magazine that said "How to Hack your Computer" on the cover.

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    1. Re:Hacker's Haven??? by Mr+Z · · Score: 4, Informative

      Back in the 70s when they had said garage, a "hack" was someone who was unskilled or at least an amateur at whatever it was they were trying to accomplish. Hackers were just dedicated hobbyists. Their Hacker's Haven was a shop for DIY shade-tree mechanics to rent space at to work on their project cars. It wasn't until sometime into the 80s that "hacker" started taking on a different meaning.

      In any case, TSA and DHS didn't exist yet, they weren't yet on the air so the FCC wouldn't give two shakes. The most they might have to worry about is ending up in a Bufile at the FBI, which seems unlikely.

    2. Re:Hacker's Haven??? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Maybe yo should step away from /. and similar sights and change your perspective. It's not nearly as bad out there as some people seem to think.

      Seriously, take a year off.

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    3. Re:Hacker's Haven??? by cpu6502 · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Watch the youtube videos of a mother being held in glass jails (her crime: carrying milk for her baby), or thrown to the ground by TSA, or other disgusting events, and you'll see how bad things truly are.

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    4. Re:Hacker's Haven??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Back in the 70s when they had said garage, a "hack" was someone who was unskilled...

      How wrong you are. I was at MIT through the mid 70s and a good hack was something to celebrate. The best software hackers were highly respected.

    5. Re:Hacker's Haven??? by Mr+Z · · Score: 2

      Keep reading: "...or at least an amateur." You're right, though, I chose my words poorly. There were (and are) some very skilled, talented hackers at MIT. (Look no further than HAKMEM!) Hacks are still hacks, though, clever as they may be. The TMRC hackers (perhaps the largest MIT hacker contingent I'm aware of outside the famed MIT AI lab) describe themselves thusly:

      We at TMRC use the term "hacker" only in its original meaning, someone who applies ingenuity to create a clever result, called a "hack". The essence of a "hack" is that it is done quickly, and is usually inelegant. It accomplishes the desired goal without changing the design of the system it is embedded in. Despite often being at odds with the design of the larger system, a hack is generally quite clever and effective.

  10. Dodge Dart by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I think that when they saw the Dodge Dart was coming back on to the market, they decided to get out of the business.

  11. Terrible News by MojoRilla · · Score: 1

    I just discovered the joys of podcasting their shows, which is a great way to consume non-news radio. This is terrible news.

    I'll really miss Tom and Ray. I even thought they were great in their Nova special on the car of the future

  12. SIGH!!!! by Yew2 · · Score: 2

    Sorry, nothing too insightful to say other than how sad I am! Can we do a /. funeral? We could hire the Donwanna Behere funeral home.....Yea, lame I know - - see? we need them!!

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  13. Re:Now where will millions of uninformed liberals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, but then they'll get reasonably priced health care and some time off work. In a Conservative world, they would be shit-canned immediately to save on medical care costs, probably tossed to the street, and a Mexican would be hired to do their work shittily but cheaply. The company would go bankrupt, the excutives would cash out with golden parachutes and stash the money in the Caymans, and start another shill company hiring back the employees of the first one but with fewer benefits and 70% wages.

  14. All the anti-NPR vitriol this story incites by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The mouth-breathers see "NPR" and have flooded every forum on the internet with their ass-hate "libtard yuck-yuck" comments. It's a great show, more for entertainment value than anything. Oh yeah, and NPR listeners are bar none the most well-informed news consumers in this country.

    My local station plays the show at 7 or 8 Wednesday nights which is when I usually catch it.

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    1. Re:All the anti-NPR vitriol this story incites by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 1

      oops supposed to be "ass hat"; not even sure what ass-hate would be!

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    2. Re:All the anti-NPR vitriol this story incites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Can we stop using "mouth breathers" as a euphemism for low intelligence? There are plenty of people that actually do breathe through their mouth due to problems with their noses, but are otherwise quite intelligent.

      Thanks,
      An intelligent mouth breather

    3. Re:All the anti-NPR vitriol this story incites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Amen brother!

      And NPR is probably the closest thing to unbiased reporting we'll ever get in this country. The have stories that I never see anywhere else in US based media. And I don't know why it called "Liberal". On any hot topic, they make an effort to get both sides - and they don't have crackpots representing the other side either. When they cover an issue, by the time the segment is over, I very rarely have a definite opinion either way because when they've finished, I can understand both sides and either sides reasoning. They constantly have Conservatives on stating their views, opinions and their side. And on many occasions on some issues, I have taken the Conservative's side because of NPR's reporting; which I can't say that about any other US based news outlet.

      NPR - "Liberal" indeed.

    4. Re:All the anti-NPR vitriol this story incites by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 1

      They themselves acknowledged that they host a lousy show.

      I mean im a fan. But what made the show listenable is that yeah. They don't have a lot of, on air at least, ego into their show.

      Think they host a lousy show? They do too.

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    5. Re:All the anti-NPR vitriol this story incites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "because I don't think the government should not" double negative! You lose!!!

    6. Re:All the anti-NPR vitriol this story incites by StormyWeather · · Score: 1

      I have had a few problems with some stories that had gross errors, but the bias is pretty level. With that being said I'm OK with the government giving NPR airwaves license free and even a mandate from congress, however I'm not OK with a dime of taxpayer money going to any broadcaster or news agency public or private.

    7. Re:All the anti-NPR vitriol this story incites by jo42 · · Score: 0

      Can we stop using "mouth breathers" as a euphemism for low intelligence?

      How about Republicantard? Or American Dumbtard?

    8. Re:All the anti-NPR vitriol this story incites by Mr+Z · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah, you can tell that the folks who complain about it haven't actually listened to it. But, you might guess they listen to rather more inflammatory material on the radio dial, judging by the critical thinking skills and general decorum they exhibit.

    9. Re:All the anti-NPR vitriol this story incites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I love me some NPR...

      I have to say, they are much more fair and balanced (and accurate) than other un-named media outlets. Freakanomics just did a great show about how eating local (your typical liberal douche's favorite bragging point) really isn't very smart. http://www.freakonomics.com/2012/06/07/you-eat-what-you-are-pt-2-a-new-freakonomics-radio-podcast/

      They (freakanomics) also did a great show about conspicuous conservation. Basically exposing liberal douche behavior...

    10. Re:All the anti-NPR vitriol this story incites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And I don't know why it called "Liberal". On any hot topic, they make an effort to get both sides

      I think you just answered your question right there.

    11. Re:All the anti-NPR vitriol this story incites by Nimey · · Score: 1

      ...if you can say that Eric Cantor isn't a crackpot, anyhow. That's disputed.

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    12. Re:All the anti-NPR vitriol this story incites by poity · · Score: 3, Informative

      Very little of NPR funding comes from the government.
      http://www.npr.org/about/aboutnpr/publicradiofinances.html
      As you can see, it's actually supported by individuals donations and corporate sponsorship. And as someone who often takes issue with many ideas presented by self-ascribed progressives and liberals on /., I think I can fairly say that I find NPR to be among the most balanced and honest media organizations.

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    13. Re:All the anti-NPR vitriol this story incites by TexVex · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I listen to NPR during my daily work commute, and that has definitely made me much more well-informed about world news.

      I've caught snippets of Car Talk on the occasional Saturday morning where I'm out driving early, and it's always been entertaining. I'm no expert in cars, but I've replaced my own brake pads, changed my own oil, and recently even worked through a do-it-yourself oxygen sensor replacement. The show is both entertaining and informative; the hosts are witty and the subject matter is at the right level for someone who realizes that you don't have to get screwed over by a repair shop for a burnt-out headlamp.

      On a recent road trip, I found myself in a weird no-man's land somewhere in North Carolina where I could only pick up talk radio and country music. I ended up actually listening to Rush Limbaugh for a short stretch. I was absolutely amazed at the complete lack of substance in his show. It was nothing but taking a random fact and then spewing heavily slanted personal opinion about it.

      For those who choose to listen to that kind of crap over something like Diane Rhem or All Things Considered or Kojo Nnamdi, all I can do is just beg: Give it one hour. Any of those three shows. You will get twenty times the information and one twentieth the spoon-fed opinion from it than you will get from Rush.

      Listening to conservative talk radio is for those who can't be bothered to learn the truth or think for themselves. If you won't listen to NPR because you think it's "liberal" then you are doing yourself and your species a huge disservice, and you are worth nothing but contempt.

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    14. Re:All the anti-NPR vitriol this story incites by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 2

      And I don't know why it called "Liberal". On any hot topic, they make an effort to get both sides - and they don't have crackpots representing the other side either.

      The second sentence answers the implied question in the first. To the right-wing nutballs, accurate reporting always has a "liberal bias."

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    15. Re:All the anti-NPR vitriol this story incites by Raenex · · Score: 1

      And I don't know why it called "Liberal".

      If you can't recognize the liberal bias, then you're too steeped in it to even recognize it.

      On any hot topic, they make an effort to get both sides - and they don't have crackpots representing the other side either.

      Yes, in general they do a good job about that. However, whether it's the topics they cover, or the general disposition of their hosts, it's obvious a bias exists. I say this as somebody who likes NPR and has been leaning Democrat for several years now.

    16. Re:All the anti-NPR vitriol this story incites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is true. I had my adenoids removed in my teens in the hopes of alleviating the problem, and yet it still takes significant extra effort for me to breath through my nose and it's also pretty noisy. I think the only possible cure would be rhinoplasty, and I don't foresee myself having that kind of excess cash lying around for a long time.
       
      That written, I've never bothered to say anything when people use the term because it's too minor of a thing for me to get at all offended, and it is really off-putting to me if someone is noticeably mouth-breathing in social situations. I mean, even if it's so bad you simply cannot breath through your nose or you sound like you have emphysema when you try it (both of which happens to me), please do keep your mouth as closed as you can when you're not talking. One of my best friends is a fellow mouth-breather, but up until his thirties he'd just leave his mouth hanging open all the time and it was always kind of gross to me. I think that's what that gave "mouth breather" a negative connotation.

    17. Re:All the anti-NPR vitriol this story incites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I do not know why you would have an issue with tax money going to a radio station that actually tries to report unbiased news, and allot of the time they spend just talking about science or music or culture. It just makes sense to me that the reason the other news channels suck so bad is because it’s about making money and selling commercials, so they make more money when they sensationalize things. When the government takes company profits out of a business, there is less chance it will report the news based on money it will make. I am not saying it cannot be corrupted, but I listen to allot of NPR, and they do try to be fair, and like I said before they spend more than 50% of the time talking about things other than news. They have great interviews with all kinds of amazing people. I would hope people would feel like it’s worth every penny to not only educate yourself but the others that may tune in. But even now with less money they cannot penetrate in to lots of rural areas that used have NPR locally, these are the areas that need it most and is beneficial to me they are educated in what’s going on in the world. I do give to NPR privately though, I just do not see a issue if tax money went to pay for all of us to have a news source you can trust.

    18. Re:All the anti-NPR vitriol this story incites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So far I've only seen assholes like you.

    19. Re:All the anti-NPR vitriol this story incites by HungWeiLo · · Score: 2

      I'm no expert in cars, but I've replaced my own brake pads, changed my own oil, and recently even worked through a do-it-yourself oxygen sensor replacement.

      Then you're already in the 99% percentile of car knowledge in this country. You must be aware that they make cars now with no dipsticks, because people can't be bothered to even do that (or TPMS replacing the "arduous" task of checking tire pressure).

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    20. Re:All the anti-NPR vitriol this story incites by ShakaUVM · · Score: 1

      >>NPR - "Liberal" indeed.

      It's not especially liberal. I'd say it was more right-wing than CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBC, or CBS, and certainly left-wing of Fox.

      That said, their choice of topics show a bit of a liberal bias. Looking at today's stories:
      1. Air Pollution in America
      2. "An NPR and ProPublica investigation has uncovered the military's failure to treat thousands."
      3. Native American foster care
      4. "Two-thirds of the people stopped at the Mall of America were minorities, activity reports show."
      5. Mine safety
      6. "Doctors Often Receive Payments From Drug Companies"
      7. "NPR and the Center for Public Integrity examine colleges' failure to protect women from campus rape."

      And so forth.

    21. Re:All the anti-NPR vitriol this story incites by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      But this article is about Car Talk, a self-proclaimed "bad car show"... Not sure how that falls under accurate reporting. I personally couldn't get through the laugh track.

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    22. Re:All the anti-NPR vitriol this story incites by TexVex · · Score: 1

      I doubt the number is 99%. Otherwise, auto parts stores wouldn't stay in business and Car Talk wouldn't have an audience.

      The tire pressure monitors (my vehicle has them) are an interesting thing, though, because they don't tell you anything you can't see just by walking around your car and giving it a quick inspection before jumping in and driving it in the morning. If you're paying even the slightest attention, you can see that a tire is losing pressure well before it's dangerously flat...

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    23. Re:All the anti-NPR vitriol this story incites by cplusplus · · Score: 1

      How the fuck is that a liberal bias in topics? Those are important topics to be aware of and discuss. Are you implying that conservatives shouldn't discuss these kinds of things?

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      "False hope is why we'll never run out of natural resources!" - Lewis Black
    24. Re:All the anti-NPR vitriol this story incites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On a recent road trip, I found myself in a weird no-man's land somewhere in North Carolina where I could only pick up talk radio and country music. I ended up actually listening to Rush Limbaugh for a short stretch. I was absolutely amazed at the complete lack of substance in his show. It was nothing but taking a random fact and then spewing heavily slanted personal opinion about it.

      Smartphone and stream NPR/Pandora/etc (bonus points for aux, USB, or even a mini FM transmitter), if you can afford the data charge.

      Heck, get a used iPod and cram it full of old Car Talk or what have you podcasts.

      No NPR listener should have to listen to AM talk radio.

    25. Re:All the anti-NPR vitriol this story incites by Johnny+Mnemonic · · Score: 2

      Diane Rhem is the toughest interviewer I've ever listened too. Her lack of accepting bs from liars was awesome and very welcome.

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    26. Re:All the anti-NPR vitriol this story incites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're Liberal because, while clearly mainstream, Republicans are actively opposed to those issues, or at the very least have a conspicuous lack of interest in them. So they're Liberal by comparison with Conservative.

      They're also liberal (little l) because, well, they're not promoting sexual slavery or the patriarchy, but instead are intended to inform and educate in an unbiased manner (regardless of whether the overall selection of topics may be Liberal).

    27. Re:All the anti-NPR vitriol this story incites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's because her spasmodic dysphonia puts listeners and interviewees into a deep trance.

    28. Re:All the anti-NPR vitriol this story incites by ShakaUVM · · Score: 1

      They are topics that interest liberals more than conservatives. Air pollution should be a very obvious example of this, that you should be able to agree with me on. Certainly I think you should be able to concur with the statement that liberals worry about air pollution more than conservatives.

    29. Re:All the anti-NPR vitriol this story incites by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      "because I don't think the government should not" double negative! You lose!!!

      Hey, leave him alone, he's being consistent. He thinks government shouldn't be involved in education and has thus far in life avoided it like the plague.

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      Jesus was all right but his disciples were thick and ordinary. -John Lennon
    30. Re:All the anti-NPR vitriol this story incites by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      But the point is Slashdotters whining about how "liberal" supposedly is.

  15. My current fav Cartalk advice by willoughby · · Score: 4, Funny

    After recommending muriatic acid to remove concrete overspray from a cars paint they added the advice to "test it out on a neighbors car first". I will really miss these guys.

    1. Re:My current fav Cartalk advice by RapidEye · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah, that was funny.
      And they capped it off by bringing the guy back on last week for Stump the Chumps.
      Ya know what - it worked! Muriatic acid removed the concrete and didn't hurt the finish!!!
      Well done Ray! =-)

      --
      "Murderer? Well, that's a harsh word. I prefer to think of myself as a Mortality Technician."
  16. Re:Now where will millions of uninformed liberals by QuincyDurant · · Score: 3, Funny

    Haywood Jabuzoff

  17. Re:New [EV] technologies... require new commentato by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1

    Why stop now...? Were they unready to embrace Electric Vehicles? "Too" ready...?

    Why now? Because they are 74 and 63 years old.

  18. F*ck by ztexas · · Score: 1

    I hate it when good radio programs go away. Dr Dean Edell, now this. I don't know what it is, but I've always felt a stronger connection to radio than TV. I guess it's that I'm an old fart. But radio is so much more personal with less glitz, extraneous distraction. At least I still have As It Happens.

    1. Re:F*ck by geekoid · · Score: 0

      Bias alert.

      Many, many Radio shows are annoying as hell.
      Many TV shows are good viewing and not about the glitz.

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    2. Re:F*ck by ztexas · · Score: 1

      Time to call it a week. My wistful expression of preference has been met with a bias alert by a dad in Portland. Internet, why do I bother with you. Yet I've learned something. Apparently there are some good TV programs. Who knew. Eat shit, snark sig troll.

    3. Re:F*ck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're not an old fart if you prefer radio programming. TV may have always been a wasteland, but it has never felt like such a wasteland to me as it does today. On the other hand, on radio there are still a number of programs that I enjoy listening to every day.

      No, you are not alone in your assessment of this situation.

  19. Good Show Retires by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know there some mix feelings about the show, some people don't get it.

    Well I do and I like them. I just wish they had found some kind of successors carry on things instead of getting re-mix of old and unaired material.

  20. They Were Actually Frauds by NEDHead · · Score: 0, Troll

    I called in once to see about getting a diagnosis on a car issue. They took the info, and said they would get back if they found it interesting, but if they did, then the whole phone call would be essentially scripted. They would do (or have done) a diagnosis off air, then pretend to figure it out all in the span of a few hyena-larious moments on air.

    Experts my ass.

    1. Re:They Were Actually Frauds by StormyWeather · · Score: 1

      I always suspected that. It was still a funny show.

    2. Re:They Were Actually Frauds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry you didn't get the part, but it's no cause to be so bitter. That's show biz.

    3. Re:They Were Actually Frauds by tofustew · · Score: 2

      Oh, come on. Why can't an expert be someone who knows where to look and produces helpful information?

      I grew up with Car Talk and it never occurred to me to question the reality of the show, so when I found out how it's produced (not a secret: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car_Talk), it felt like learning the hard truth about Santa Claus all over again. Hurts, right?

      Suspension of disbelief is your friend, and it's still a great show. My weekends will miss them.

    4. Re:They Were Actually Frauds by bussdriver · · Score: 4, Informative

      You sir have no idea how tv or radio production works. Sorry to ruin your world.

      A real diagnosis would be everybit as horrible as helping a relative on the phone with a computer problem-- most the call is trying to communicate and often does not properly describe what is going on then you look like some git when it doesn't work and it was actually THEIR fault. If they really did know their stuff it would be a typical production to have them do the work upfront and NOT on the air where it could easily take most of the show to properly handle problem besides being BORING to listeners/viewers. It is not a "speak with a sex therapist" show where the topic is the only thing holding it together.

    5. Re:They Were Actually Frauds by artor3 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Gasp! Next you're going to tell me that the Stig actually knows more than two facts about ducks!

    6. Re:They Were Actually Frauds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "speak with a sex the rapist"

      FTFY

    7. Re:They Were Actually Frauds by fermion · · Score: 4, Insightful
      This is a perfect example of fact based reporting and opinion based reporting, and the sad state fo the world in which random opinion is considered equivalent to fact. For instance, the opinion that Rush Limbaugh is a child molester based on the fact that he had a sex party in a country that at the time trafficked in young boys for sex is considered a fact by the large percentage of Americans who believe opinions not fully supported by facts. Of course there is no real for us to know this is true, so a legitiimate new organization is not going report it, yet opinions as spurious as these are reported as news every day, in a false attempt to be fair and balanced.

      I am sure this is done like every other show. People are screened, a number of recordings are made, and the best are broadcast. The show is edited to fit the hour timeline, and of course the calls that don't work are not broadcast. They probably use old calls as fillers. Those who listen to the show also know they have had callers call back to see if the diagnosis is correct, and at this time they include situations where diagnosis was wrong.

      This is pretty typical. I watched a taping of Wait Wait, and it is also heavily edited. Not all the answers are given at the time of the question, and it is edited for time. There seems to a general attempt to show that NPR and PRI are not fact based using minor incidents of non disclosure. For instance, there is a great brouhaha over the work of humorist David Sedaris. Now, I understand that are some sad people who believe that every word in the biography of Ronald Reagan is true, but reasonable people among us know that any story, not matter how based on fact, is to some degree apocryphal. Recollections are based on reconstructing memory, which is highly unreliable. We get a realistic point of view by listening the recollection of many people.

      What we have here is the proposition that a live unedited show based on personal opinion is more valid that a semi-scripted researched show based on fact.

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    8. Re:They Were Actually Frauds by couchslug · · Score: 1

      Automotive problems are often complex and may have multiple causes.

      Reciting a checklist over the air would bore listeners.

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      "This post is an artistic work of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact."
    9. Re:They Were Actually Frauds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tangent: Raise your hand if you're unable to read the word "apocryphal" without mentally adding "or at least wildly inaccurate". Thank you, Mr. Adams.

    10. Re:They Were Actually Frauds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're experts at providing a very entertaining and informative show about car repair.

    11. Re:They Were Actually Frauds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I always suspected this was how the show was made - how else would it fit for time, and stay interesting? Besides, the show aired at many, many different time slots at many stations across the country... They weren't sitting at the phones 24x7 to answer all the calls live as they came in, randomly! Naturally someone had to screen them, narrow the huge list of calls down to a few, and schedule a time when they could work the calls into when the guys were actually scheduled to be in studio. The show was interesting, informative, and funny. I'll miss it.

    12. Re:They Were Actually Frauds by waldonova · · Score: 1

      Really. I called in and my experience was the same as yours up to "if they found it interesting they would call me back". They didn't tell me the call would be scripted or researched. Why the heck would they tell the caller if they did that? I really don't think that they have an obligation to disclose and would have nothing to gain by it. You sure you're talking about Cartalk here?

    13. Re:They Were Actually Frauds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A real diagnosis would be everybit as horrible as helping a relative on the phone with a computer problem

      Funny example because Leo Laporte has been doing exactly that on his national Tech Guy radio show for over a decade. People who are not generally computer savvy call in and he tries to help them, live and unscripted. He doesn't always have a good answer to the caller's question, but in the worst case, he gets them pointed in the right direction at least. The show airs on Saturday and Sunday for three hours both days and has a pretty decent following, even if it's not quite a household name.

    14. Re:They Were Actually Frauds by cplusplus · · Score: 2

      Huh, there seems to be very little truth in your statement. I have a friend who was on their show about three years ago. She left just a little bit of info in a voicemail when she called (name, phone number, car type, and a very short 20 or 30 second statement of the problem) - which I guess is how their screening process works. They called her back in a day or so (along with a number of other people) when they were taping the show, and she got to talk with Tom and Ray almost immediately. Nothing was scripted. The actual segment they recorded with her didn't make it on the air for months though...

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    15. Re:They Were Actually Frauds by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      Has Rush ever denied being a child molester? His partner in crime, Glenn Beck, has never denied murdering a girl in 1980 either.

      Think about it.

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    16. Re:They Were Actually Frauds by bussdriver · · Score: 1

      Reboot and call me back.
      Update Reboot and call me back.
      Run your antivirus Reboot and call me back.
      Did you read the manual? Follow the procedure in there (which contains a Reboot) and feel guilty for not reading it before contacting me.
      Do you have a child? Ask them to help you.

      Actually, call screening is an important part as well - even little known LIVE shows have somebody queuing up the callers trying to filter out nutcases. It would not surprise me if some shows have the true talented expert screening the callers; if they have the prep time or tape the show then the talent can do the screening themselves.

  21. Re:New [EV] technologies... require new commentato by IntlHarvester · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why stop now...? Were they unready to embrace Electric Vehicles? "Too" ready...?

    Technologies change... perhaps a new generation must take over the helm, when they do...

    There's definitely something to that. The show was really great back when people had bizarre problems with something like a 1982 Suburu, and it turned out to be a vacuum hose leak. Now it's all "should I buy this used car?" and "take it to a dealership and have them read the codes".

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  22. Last Spin in the Fiat! by RapidEye · · Score: 1

    Makes Me Sad - I'll Really Miss Them!
    I've been listening to them since 1994 and loved every show they've done.
    They haven't lost a step, being just as funny, witty, and informative now as they were in '94.
    They deserve a long, fruitful, and fun retirement, cruising around in Tom's Triumph.
    Oh, wait, there is no such thing....
    Well, best of luck fellas and thanks for all the tips and laughs over the years!!!!

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    "Murderer? Well, that's a harsh word. I prefer to think of myself as a Mortality Technician."
  23. I was actually on the show! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here's how it worked:

    - You call the 800 number, describe your problem, if it sounds interesting the producer (Doug Berman) called you back and scheduled you for the show. So the problem is already known.

    - About Thursday afternoon before the weekend broadcast you called in to essentially a conference call a few minutes before your slot and got to hear the end of the previous caller. I suppose this is to get you in the mood, all it did is make me come down with a bad case of flop sweat.

    - You're on, you talk to the guys for five or ten minutes. They (correctly) guessed the solution to my problem pretty fast, primarily I think because they saw it before in their garage. My time was edited down a bit, but it was mostly verbatim.

    - They do not send you a copy of the broadcast, the only way I have one is because I recorded it off my local NPR station when it hit the air.

    That's the scoop. This is Tom from Michigan with a mysterious oil leak in his Z28 Camaro signing off.

    1. Re:I was actually on the show! by codepunk · · Score: 1

      "They (correctly) guessed the solution to my problem pretty fast, primarily I think because they saw it before in their garage."

      True long ago I used to sling mean wrench. For amusement I used to ask customers what their cars symptom was then try to diagnose it before lifting the hood. My track record was probably at least 90% or better. We constantly seen the same common failures every single day.

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    2. Re:I was actually on the show! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is what doctors do every day. We don't get to "open the hood" much.

  24. Re:New [EV] technologies... require new commentato by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You really never listened to their show. Your 'all' example is pretty far off the mark. They won't be stopping until October, listen to at least one show and try making a more informed comment again later.

  25. And the real reason they're leaving us? by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 1

    Because they're a COUPLE OF KNUCKLEHEADS! I'll miss 'em. I'm not sure which I like more, Wait Wait or Car Talk, but one follows the other, so who cares? Well I do, about them both. Ah, this does suck, but they gotta take some time to relax. Hey... wait a minute....

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  26. NPR Just Became 20% Less Cool by asm2750 · · Score: 1

    I always enjoyed listening to Car Talk, Wait Wait, and Sound Opinions on the weekends. I guess nothing can last forever. I hope they do reruns, I'm sick of being bombarded with news.

  27. Re:New [EV] technologies... require new commentato by IntlHarvester · · Score: 1

    To be honest, I find listening to them banter about people's husband/wife problems and "the puzzler" to be intolerable. When someone calls in with an old (usually foreign) car that the guys know back-and-forward it still can be entertaining, but they really don't have much to say about someone's 1999 Civic.

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  28. mars rover and car talk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    From wikipedia, but I remember when this happened:

    "In addition to at least one on-orbit call, the Brothers once received a call asking advice on winterizing a couple of "kit cars." After much beating around the bush and increasing evasiveness by the caller, they asked him just how much these kit cars were worth. The answer: about $800 million. It was a joke call from the Jet Propulsion Laboratory concerning the preparation of the Mars Rovers (Spirit and Opportunity) for the oncoming Martian winter."

  29. Analogy, please by natbrooks · · Score: 2

    I just don't get this decision at all. Can someone please explain it using a software engineering analogy?

  30. Yes, this sucks, but... by leamanc · · Score: 1

    The show will continue on NPR, drawing from the past 25 years of national syndication. They have actually been inserting a few older calls into "new" shows for quite some time, so little is going to change for the average listener. No, you won't be able to call them anymore, but it wasn't a live call-in show anyway...you called the 1-800 number and got a scheduled time through the week, and then your call aired on Saturday's episode.

    So no biggie for me; my Saturdays will still be all about Car Talk, Wait Wait Don't Tell Me, and Michael Feldman's Whad'Ya Know on NPR for the foreseeable future. And oh yeah, Weekend Edition, if I happen to get up that early on Saturday.

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  31. Alas Click and Clack. We knew them wheel well! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This news is BO O O O GUS.!!! What will Bongo Boy Berman do now?
    Who will the astronauts on the Space Station call for Advice?

  32. Timothy, Timothy, Timothy... by aitikin · · Score: 1

    I've long thought that someone should assemble a compilation featuring nothing but hours of their laughter. (Which will be available for sampling, since they will continue to play archived material for a long time yet.)

    The problem there is that it's almost definitely still legally copywritten material and therefore it would be a violation of copyright to sample their laughter and distribute it in any way, shape, or form without the express consent of the content owners, most likely being NPR... (standard slashdot disclaimer, IANAL, check with a lawyer, yadda yadda yadda.)

    Oh, and apologies for fueling a copyright flamewar/trolling in advance...

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    1. Re:Timothy, Timothy, Timothy... by ThatsMyNick · · Score: 1

      You would violate copyright, only if you distribute the compilation. IANAL either.

    2. Re:Timothy, Timothy, Timothy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wrong. The actual copying would also be infringement.

      There's a conspicuous comment by Justice Stevens in the Sony v. Universal Studios (Betamax) case where he opined that it would be ridiculous to think that someone who heard a poem on the radio and scribbled it down was infringing. It's conspicuous because, presuming the radio show was being recorded by the station, it would absolutely be infringement. Any other justice or lawyer could tell you that. (Of course, Stevens is morally right, IMO, just not legally correct.)

      Of course, Sony won the Betamax case not because recording an over-the-air broadcast is legal. They won because the suit was about vicarious liability, and whether Sony should be held liable for the infringement of the home VCR users. And notably majority decided the case by saying no vicarious liability, not by deciding that the home users weren't infringing.

  33. Re:NPR? Who gives a flying ****? by LordLimecat · · Score: 2

    NPR-listening republican checking in.

    What were you saying?

  34. Actually, that's entirely false by Theaetetus · · Score: 5, Informative

    I called in once to see about getting a diagnosis on a car issue. They took the info, and said they would get back if they found it interesting, but if they did, then the whole phone call would be essentially scripted. They would do (or have done) a diagnosis off air, then pretend to figure it out all in the span of a few hyena-larious moments on air.

    Experts my ass.

    Sorry, that's a lie. I was the assistant chief engineer for WBUR for 8 years, and I sat in on the recordings of many of their shows. I've also consulted for Car Talk, fixing their network and computers, and have stayed at one producer's house in New Hampshire.

    The producers screen the calls (they get hundreds each week), but Tom and Ray know nothing about each call. They're presented with the person's name, city, and car type, and that's it.

    Mind you, the recording of the show is over 2 hours, and then gets edited down, but no - the calls are not scripted, they haven't pre-diagnosed the problem, and yes, they figure it all out during the phone call. That call may be edited from 20 minutes down to 5, but it's still their first (and only) crack at the problem.

    I'm not sure why you'd lie about something like this, but it's probably some sort of mean joke like your sig, because of your own personal insecurity and desire for attention. Just as I hope others don't believe this, I hope your wife sees your posts.

    1. Re:Actually, that's entirely false by NEDHead · · Score: 1

      No lie. This was my actual experience. The fraud is in the misrepresentation that their on air process was in fact the real process. Why you would lie in their defense is the real question.

      And my wife comes up with my occasionally varying sigs - I just use what I am told to use.

    2. Re:Actually, that's entirely false by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Once again, isn't there yet a medicine for spergs?

      BTW, you DO know your wife is fucking someone on the side, right?

  35. Re:NPR? Who gives a flying ****? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "NPR is *shite* liberal commie bullshit radio for idiots who have never read any Rand or even a basic economics textbook."

    Actually you are wrong. And you are also a stupid little closet fascist if you think
    Ayn Rand's writings are a blueprint for a healthy society.

    NPR is and has been for years a propaganda station for Israel. This came about
    as a result of the federal government cutting funding for NPR. When that happened,
    the American Jewish lobby stepped in and made sure NPR always reported in an
    absurdly biased manner on anything having to do with Israel. As a result of this, no one
    I know who is actually intelligent listens to NPR as a news source. It's got nothing to do with
    whether it is "liberal" or "conservative", and everything to do with an extreme bias which
    results in what you hear on NPR not being "news" but being what certain special interests
    want you to hear.

  36. Selling America on the status quo by beachdog · · Score: 0

    Click and clack have done 25 years of persuading Americans that the American suburban culture built around the gasoline burning passenger car is OK.

    As the years of the program went by, the program went from saying something serious and important every now and then to never saying anything of a serious, important or critical nature. They never had any guest of any status ever: No Ralph Nader, no critics, no real mechanic.

    That is the nature of mass media. Car Talk has been facilitating the acceptance of American automobile based culture for 25 years.

    Despite a series of really big cultural shocks, and ignoring some small and constructive changes in cultural direction, Car Talk has been selling acceptance of the status quo.

    I have been fixing my own car and my family's cars for 40+ years. I do everything except tires and smog certificates. I operate with a split between a radical '60s social change interest and accepting compliance with the status quo and it's comfort. The time and money economics of automobile based society are really hard to beat. http://lessco2essay.blogspot.com/2010/03/found-linear-regression-data-from-los.html

    1. Re:Selling America on the status quo by PCM2 · · Score: 2

      Click and clack have done 25 years of persuading Americans that the American suburban culture built around the gasoline burning passenger car is OK. ...
      That is the nature of mass media. Car Talk has been facilitating the acceptance of American automobile based culture for 25 years.

      Look, America has an automobile-based culture. Click and Clack aren't going to change that on their own. "The Hey People, You Shouldn't Be Driving a Car Show" wouldn't have lasted two weeks on the radio. On the other hand, a lot of people drive cars, their cars break down in various ways, and they can use advice on how to fix them. Click and Clack provided that advice in an entertaining way that helped to relieve what can otherwise be a very stressful situation for people who rely on their cars.

      But to claim that they're stumping for the car lobby is just you getting up on your soapbox. They regularly advocated energy efficient cars, hybrids, and so forth, and their driving recommendations had more to do with safe driving and fuel efficiency than the middle-aged fantasies of sports car owners. And despite all that "don't drive like my brother" fun and games, they never made any secret of the fact that Tom Magliozzi doesn't own a car and doesn't drive.

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  37. This made me laugh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, I think it is funny.

    1. Re:This made me laugh. by fiannaFailMan · · Score: 1

      Well here's a little pointer for you. Having a sense of humor is as much about knowing when not to laugh as knowing when to laugh. Anybody who laughs with these guys has a serious sense of humor deficit. They are not funny. The stuff they laugh at is not funny. The act of laughing at stuff that is not funny is not funny. Clear?

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    2. Re:This made me laugh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't they have drugs for you spergs yet?

    3. Re:This made me laugh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get your own drugs, you amusingly stupid mucksavage.

  38. Re:New [EV] technologies... require new commentato by plopez · · Score: 1

    you forgot the relationship advice.

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  39. Arup Gupta updates?? by RavenManiac · · Score: 1

    He'll never be able to call the Car Guys again!

    They should call him or friend him on Facebook.

  40. Re:Now where will millions of uninformed liberals by Genda · · Score: 1

    Wow... I would'a thought you'd be too busy running your Presidential campaign... thanks for giving a little of your time Governor Romney.