There is an educational discount. In order to get it you must order it online through Apple's educational store, or call Apple; tell them your a student or work in education; and then tell them you want panther. I ordered my copy through applerockies.com, it cost 69.99(73.?? after taxes) I even got free over night shipping, and I got it on the 23(one day before the release))
With only half a brain? The reason no one is buying CDs is not because of piracy. The reason no one buys CDs anymore is because NOBODY HAS MONEY TO SPEND ON CDS!!!! We have lost so much of our tech industry to over-seas out sourcing, that the people who were making money before and buying CDs no longer have jobs and refuse to spend anything on music. Perhaps we should get the economy back on track and then worry about piracy.
Ok, but you can't be charged for a bag of oregano, a person can call you on it, but without the physical evidence nothing can legaly happen to you. I think you need to think about the legal aspect of this case a little bit more. Of course the mp3's that theses people were sharing are copyrighted. The songs are the intelectual property of someone, and unless your the artist, it sure as hell isn't you. I am a supporter of copyrights on intelectual property, they have served us well so far, and make sure people get the proper credit they deserve for their work. I, on the other hand, do not agree with the RIAA or the Record industry as a whole. Copyright laws are there to protect artists not these greedy pop-culture pushers. What the RIAA is doing is wrong. I agree we should let these people fight the charges against them, but I think they are taking the wrong direction when it comes to their legal defense the Unlawful search argument WILL NOT hold up in a modern court because someone is going to bring up the fact that the files these people where sharing were displayed publicly, on a public network. The only way to fight the RIAA is if ALL of the people who were accused come forth, ban together and fight this thing as a whole. The RIAA has so much money to burn scaring the public with these cases, that an individual WILL NOT be able to fight against them. It needs to be brought into the attention of the public that the record industry has caused this problem by not policing their own market, and not stopping electronic piracy before it began. These people are not the cause of music piracy, but a product of it. The problem doesn't exist in the minds and computers of these people but in the Entertainment market itself. If there had been an alternative to overprice CD's and Piracy in the beginig of this fiasco, the RIAA would still be making money, and a lot less people would be pirating music. Lastly, let me say that NOBODY NEEDS MUSIC!!!!!! It is entertainment, not food, shelter, medical care, or education, and is NOT required for everyday life. You can do without music, so DO WITHOUT IT. If you want to stop the RIAA, protest, boycot, write your senators, don't sit here bantering with other/.'s who already see it your way. Let's star a movement, let's fight, lets make sure our freedoms are protected, because you can be sure nobody else will.
They way I see it is that the people being accused by the RIAA have no case against unlawful search. The fact is they used a application such as Kazza, or another p2p file sharing client. These applications allow the PUBLIC to veiw any file you share without authourization from you or anyone else. It's the same as someone walking past your dorm room window, glancing in and seeing a big sack of weed on your table. They then have the right, and the duty to report you to the proper authourities. Now, what needs to happen is for people to switch from open p2p services to closed Server/Client sharing programs that require authourization and legal agreements to even VIEW the shared information. Let alone download it. At the moment the community as a whole needs to ban together against entities like the RIAA and SCO, and boycot their products, spread information about their dealings, and put preasure on the governing bodies to halt the actions of these feinds. The only way we will win this "WAR" is to FIGHT. The RIAA had it's chance to suceed in a changing market, instead they chose to stand mute. Now that they are losing profits thanks to their own inaction, they are going after the people who are a product of the digital music revolution rather than the cause. The cause is the fact that there was no alternative to buying their ninteen eighties technology (CDs) at it's original price. Now, they have yet to come up with a viable alternative to music piracy, and they are suffering form their own lack of imagination.
The problem at the moment is not the weaknesses in MS products, but the lack of diversity in the software market. If you look at nature, one of the keys to the continuos success of life, is the diversity of components that make up an animal, a species, and an eco system. If it weren't for the genetic diversity in humans, for example, we would all look the same, act the same, and more importantly, be all be suseptible to the same kinds of illnesses, and be wiped out by somthing as simple as the common cold. The reason these computer viruses can attack so many systems, is the fact the they are all the same. Sure, there may differences on the user level but below that they all function of the same code, the same set of "Genes." What needs to happen is for an era of "Software Darwinism" to come about. The users need to be able to not only pick the software that they use, but to be able to change the make-up of the software to enhance it's abilities, and bolster it's defenses against out side attack. Regulations, like the one's being talked about will not allow software to evolve into a better state. The only way this will happen is if there is an open exchange of ideas in wich everyone is allowed to present there ideas and receive support, advice, and honest critisism form their peers. The open source movement is going in the right direction. Software needs to be seen as an evolving community where every one benifits from the wisdom of everyone else. What needs to happen now is for large companies to be pressured into realizing that they stand to bennifit from freely sharing all aspects of their products. If their products are truely superior, they will have the support of the community as a whole. If not, they stand to profit by using the suggestions of the community to better their products and, once again have the support of industry and the consumers. The governments role in this should not be as a regulatory body. They should have the same responibilities as any educated consumer. They should look at every option availible and then make a unbiased desicion on which options to support, and most importantly why to support them. Regulation is not the key communication is. The computer has a potential for human advancement far beyond that of anything else. It is a realm of great potential profit, both intellectualy, spirtualy and monitarialy.
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There is an educational discount. In order to get it you must order it online through Apple's educational store, or call Apple; tell them your a student or work in education; and then tell them you want panther. I ordered my copy through applerockies.com, it cost 69.99(73.?? after taxes) I even got free over night shipping, and I got it on the 23(one day before the release))
With only half a brain? The reason no one is buying CDs is not because of piracy. The reason no one buys CDs anymore is because NOBODY HAS MONEY TO SPEND ON CDS!!!! We have lost so much of our tech industry to over-seas out sourcing, that the people who were making money before and buying CDs no longer have jobs and refuse to spend anything on music. Perhaps we should get the economy back on track and then worry about piracy.
Ok, but you can't be charged for a bag of oregano, a person can call you on it, but without the physical evidence nothing can legaly happen to you. I think you need to think about the legal aspect of this case a little bit more. Of course the mp3's that theses people were sharing are copyrighted. The songs are the intelectual property of someone, and unless your the artist, it sure as hell isn't you. I am a supporter of copyrights on intelectual property, they have served us well so far, and make sure people get the proper credit they deserve for their work. I, on the other hand, do not agree with the RIAA or the Record industry as a whole. Copyright laws are there to protect artists not these greedy pop-culture pushers. What the RIAA is doing is wrong. I agree we should let these people fight the charges against them, but I think they are taking the wrong direction when it comes to their legal defense the Unlawful search argument WILL NOT hold up in a modern court because someone is going to bring up the fact that the files these people where sharing were displayed publicly, on a public network. The only way to fight the RIAA is if ALL of the people who were accused come forth, ban together and fight this thing as a whole. The RIAA has so much money to burn scaring the public with these cases, that an individual WILL NOT be able to fight against them. It needs to be brought into the attention of the public that the record industry has caused this problem by not policing their own market, and not stopping electronic piracy before it began. These people are not the cause of music piracy, but a product of it. The problem doesn't exist in the minds and computers of these people but in the Entertainment market itself. If there had been an alternative to overprice CD's and Piracy in the beginig of this fiasco, the RIAA would still be making money, and a lot less people would be pirating music. Lastly, let me say that NOBODY NEEDS MUSIC!!!!!! It is entertainment, not food, shelter, medical care, or education, and is NOT required for everyday life. You can do without music, so DO WITHOUT IT. If you want to stop the RIAA, protest, boycot, write your senators, don't sit here bantering with other /.'s who already see it your way. Let's star a movement, let's fight, lets make sure our freedoms are protected, because you can be sure nobody else will.
They way I see it is that the people being accused by the RIAA have no case against unlawful search. The fact is they used a application such as Kazza, or another p2p file sharing client. These applications allow the PUBLIC to veiw any file you share without authourization from you or anyone else. It's the same as someone walking past your dorm room window, glancing in and seeing a big sack of weed on your table. They then have the right, and the duty to report you to the proper authourities. Now, what needs to happen is for people to switch from open p2p services to closed Server/Client sharing programs that require authourization and legal agreements to even VIEW the shared information. Let alone download it. At the moment the community as a whole needs to ban together against entities like the RIAA and SCO, and boycot their products, spread information about their dealings, and put preasure on the governing bodies to halt the actions of these feinds. The only way we will win this "WAR" is to FIGHT. The RIAA had it's chance to suceed in a changing market, instead they chose to stand mute. Now that they are losing profits thanks to their own inaction, they are going after the people who are a product of the digital music revolution rather than the cause. The cause is the fact that there was no alternative to buying their ninteen eighties technology (CDs) at it's original price. Now, they have yet to come up with a viable alternative to music piracy, and they are suffering form their own lack of imagination.
The problem at the moment is not the weaknesses in MS products, but the lack of diversity in the software market. If you look at nature, one of the keys to the continuos success of life, is the diversity of components that make up an animal, a species, and an eco system. If it weren't for the genetic diversity in humans, for example, we would all look the same, act the same, and more importantly, be all be suseptible to the same kinds of illnesses, and be wiped out by somthing as simple as the common cold. The reason these computer viruses can attack so many systems, is the fact the they are all the same. Sure, there may differences on the user level but below that they all function of the same code, the same set of "Genes." What needs to happen is for an era of "Software Darwinism" to come about. The users need to be able to not only pick the software that they use, but to be able to change the make-up of the software to enhance it's abilities, and bolster it's defenses against out side attack. Regulations, like the one's being talked about will not allow software to evolve into a better state. The only way this will happen is if there is an open exchange of ideas in wich everyone is allowed to present there ideas and receive support, advice, and honest critisism form their peers. The open source movement is going in the right direction. Software needs to be seen as an evolving community where every one benifits from the wisdom of everyone else. What needs to happen now is for large companies to be pressured into realizing that they stand to bennifit from freely sharing all aspects of their products. If their products are truely superior, they will have the support of the community as a whole. If not, they stand to profit by using the suggestions of the community to better their products and, once again have the support of industry and the consumers. The governments role in this should not be as a regulatory body. They should have the same responibilities as any educated consumer. They should look at every option availible and then make a unbiased desicion on which options to support, and most importantly why to support them. Regulation is not the key communication is. The computer has a potential for human advancement far beyond that of anything else. It is a realm of great potential profit, both intellectualy, spirtualy and monitarialy.