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Panther Released into the Wild
u2fan00 writes "Those fortunate enough to have an Apple Store near them were in for a treat last night -- crowds! Oh, and also Panther. Check out the local reactions, photos and stories from some stores across the nation."
Geeze. I saw the crowd last year at Lenox Mall in Atlanta for the Jaguar release, so I cleverly waited one entire day.
:-)
The Lenox Mall Apple store is a bit of a drive, so I went to the Micro Center not far from where I live. They're sort of a baby Fry's, but more expensive and nowhere near as good. This is, unfortunately, the South, and you take what you can get here. It beats Bosnia.
I walked into the Apple department, grabbed a copy of Panther, and asked if I needed to ring it up there or if I could keep shopping. The salesman put a sticker on it and told me to buy it up front, and then tossed a couple of freebies on the pile... a mousepad and a 64MB USB flash drive.
So I got a much shorter drive, no parking hassles, and a free USB drive in exchange for waiting a day. Calling this a no-brainer seems an understatement.
No impressions yet, I'm backing up before installing. Ok, one impression: the box is cool. Big silver X on a black background. Box upgrades are very important, you know.
... don't give educational discounts. You have to order online for that. So if you're a student, don't go trucking out to the store... you can't get it for $70 there.
I hereby place the above post in the public domain.
That looked like what happens to distro FTPs when a new release is out. Now they just need a physical equivalent to BitTorrent.
I believe it should be called either FleshTorrent or Orgy.
Weird, Just got panther installed, launched safari and set slashdot to my homepage, and I see this artical.. weird.....
Well I must say panther is awesome, but linux is much nicer on my mac....
and last nights apple store here in buffalo ny sucked, they only handed out dog tags. Not even a free tshirt!!
keanmarine.com
Real men download their OSs.
I'm quite sure spike lee owns intellectual property in the letter "X". Especially in that font and on a black background, jeez....
Stupid people make stupid things profitable.
This picture cracked me up.
humorless killjoy pull the wings off any butterflies today?
ELITISM: It's always lonely at the top. Uninvited company is rarely welcome.
I'm considering getting a G5 for game development. I'm currently running a small dev team that is gearing up for work on a DooM 3 total conversion. My question is, Mac gamers, how hard is it going to be to compile DooM 3 on OS X 10.3 Panther, compared to PC? What are the roadblocks for PC-centric guys like myself? Are there any good tutorial sites for gamers like myself who want to switch ?
I figure, if John Carmack is coding DooM 3 on a Mac, then it must be all that, right?
if you do an upgrade, you will be in a world of pain.
all the problems I have read about have been from simple upgrades, everyone who has not had problems has done an archive install or an erase install.
I am the Alpha and the Omega-3
Mine came by FedEx Friday afternoon. My old dual 450 G4 has definitely perked up a bit; though I can definitely tell I need a new Quartz Extreme video card.
The seed 7B85 is slightly different than the retail version. OS9 installer drivers are not on 7B85.
Yes! I listen to NYC Speedcore and do math at 3AM. I suggest you try it too.
Some people with in-house AirPort networks have run into difficulties after installing panther. If this is happening to you, Apple has already given a workaround here.
Also, Control-d now selects the dock and allows for keyboard navigation rather than getting sent to the app you want it to be sent to (such as terminal). I haven't figured out how to turn this off, but you can work around it by using the option key in addition to the control key (so Control-Option-d instead of just Control-d).
Integrate Keynote and LaTeX
Fuck you asshole.
I reported whoever moderated this up as "Informative" to the editors.
Wow Apple fans sure are a rabid lot :-)
You'd have thought from the queues that the shops were giving away free drugs!
How do people get so addicted to a piece of computer software ?
It least it is not Jaguar, which was inexplicably named after a failed Atari game system.
Panther is cool; I like "Expose" pretty well.
For those unix types I have two issues so far:
1) the cocoa version of emacs I was using is broken by panther
2) the version of x11 I downloaded from apple is not automatically updated. You must update it manually from disc 3. Note that the old one is broken by panther.
I also needed to reinstall Microsoft Office X, but it is working fine now.
I've been trying to get a reliable e-mail program working for months now. MONTHS.
...those Macs sure do look nice...
1) Mozilla randomly forgets where its configuration files are, and of course has NO OPTION TO SET WHERE THEY ARE which means that I have to rebuild my e-mail settings over and over again.
2) Evolution takes over a minute to start.
3) Red Hat corrupts its own RPM database when other e-mail clients are installed, then just hangs.
4) mutt will take four months to configure correctly.
5) Yeah, Outlook Express. Sure thing.
Then I look at Mac OS X mail and I have to ask: why is there, after FIFTEEN YEARS, no reliable, working, nice, up-to-date e-mail client outside of Mac OS X?
After watching Mozilla faceplant and Red Hat shit itself (by the way, my first Linux install was Slackware on a 486 WITH NO DOCUMENTATION)
Business isn't willing to pay for products, innovation and careers, so we get brands, mortgage commercials and layoffs.
I haven't anything like that since people lined up to RETURN Windows ME!
I believe it should be called either FleshTorrent or Orgy.
What, why do you THINK all we mac users congregated at the Apple Stores all over the country at midnight? To buy the new Mac OS X version? No, get real, that was just the excuse we gave. Take a couple pictures of everyone standing around inline in the store, pass them to the press, and everyone believes we were gone all night at some kind of software release event. Convenient alibi if anyone asks where we were all last night, or anyone comes bothering the Apple Store employees asking why so much noise was coming from their store in the middle of the night.
THINK ABOUT IT.
I haven't had problems with anything that you've mentioned, though I haven't tried saving drafts over IMAP yet.
Integrate Keynote and LaTeX
I downloaded my OS, too!
USE THAT FEEDBACK FORM. Submit ALL the bugs you ran across, all the bugs you just told us. If your bug is a dupe of someone elses, that is ok. These bugs may be obvious to you, but they may not be quite so much so to the coders at Apple. They can't fix what they don't have catalogued.
I know this is a blatant troll, but I'll bite anyway.
Panther makes everything run so much faster and smoother, from the early dev builds that I've experienced. There are 150+ new features and enhancements which would enhance the productivity on a daily basis. Stuff such as Expose, fast user switching, Fontbook, improved Mail.app, Finder, etc.
Lets not forget Xcode, which comes completely free with Panther. Is there a free VisualStudio equivalent that shipped with any Windows version?
There is also FileVault, incredible out of the box Samaba support, MSWord document support in TextEdit and others.
It's worth every single penny.
All this over a stupid cat? Maybe I'd wait in a line that long if it was a penguin!
Oh, when will that day arrive....
Well, I saw your article and I immediately ran down to my local Mac place (McDonald's that is... I really wish you guys would not use the short name.). Anyway, I asked them if I could please have the new Panther Burger. They called security and threw me out! Can you believe that?
P.S. Don't bother asking them for any apples either.
... To a Microsoft release. That's a real hardcore user base ;)
Ever hear of something called the human condition? We live in a material world [link to Madonna midi left out on purpose], and out of necessity we need to cope with and deal with material items. Some of these we consume (like food) and others we buy (like software that lets us do things better).
Yeah, we are a cult of consumers, sure was we are a cult of food-eaters and a cult of breathers.
Get a life. Breathe/eat/buy.
I preordered Panther and was super happy when yesterday, 4:00 PM, Fed Ex pulls up in my driveway with a box from Apple.
Beat the crowd scene totally... and I didn't have to take off my rubbah slippahs at the airport, or surrender my box cutters.
It's up and running nicely... everything is brushed metal. Lots of windows popping up and then disapearing - I'll love Expose'.
Tranquility runs like a dream - improved frame rate.
Go Apple - Too bad it wasn't free.
An "Apple Centre"? I wonder if this is anything like an "Appel Center".
No need to spell the word center so it turns into something that sounds like "sentry".
Also the Finder has been to a decent extent revamped, not just cosmetically, but also in many small ways in which the Finder functions, although this is admittedly rather minor. And isn't it worth $130 to get rid of those fucking interference-pattern prison stripes?
X with black background color reminds me of The X-Files. :)
Ant(Dude) @ Quality Foraged Links (AQFL.net) & The Ant Farm (antfarm.ma.cx / antfarm.home.dhs.org).
"Living on the Big Island of Hawaii the nearest Apple Store is probably on the island of Oahu, a $85 and 45 minute one way flight. Needless to say I wasn't about to fork out an additional $170 to get Panther on release day"
It is about as hard in the States, where you have Apple stores that open 2 hours after the PC stores and close 5 hours before the PC stores close. You have dozens of stores in town selling PC's but only one selling Apple's, and you have to deal with obnoxious salespeople.
Apple's will remain niche machines used by few until they stop doing the ridiculous thing of trying to limit sales.
iMac for sale at K-Mart? Now that is a great idea.
Included in the box (what a cool black box it is, too!) is a development environment CD (compilers, APIs, SDKs, and the xcode IDE).
I'm happy to see Apple still giving the development tools away for free.
Amazon is under attack, Mandrake is eating cd-roms, and now a panther gets loose. What's next, a nuclear bombing on SCO?
I'm thinking about buying a 15" PowerBook shortly (probably from MacConnection, since they have good deals). I was going to wait until I could get one with Panther preinstalled, but I'd like to have the PowerBook by Thanksgiving and so it looks like I'll have to order one soon (which will probably still come with Jaguar).
I've been reading various forums and I keep hearing that a clean install for Panther is the way to go. And, since the PowerBook will be brand new, I won't have to back anything up beforehand ;). However, do PowerBooks come with any software that isn't part of the OS by default? For instance, do they come with AppleWorks or other software that I'd lose if I chose to upgrade with a clean install?
Also, I'm still looking for a snug case/sleeve for the PowerBook, if anyone has any suggestions. I'm looking for one that's thin and just big enough to include a mouse and a power supply. I'd also prefer zippers or buttons over velcro (since they tend to be quieter than velcro).
Alex Bischoff
HTML/CSS coder for hire
The Max OS X Panther 10.3 box includes 4 CDs... three for 10.3 and it's accessories (keep in mind these three CDs include localizations for 12 languages)... and a development environment CD containing compilers, various SDKs, and the feature-filled xCode IDE.
It's a bit alien to those not used to the NeXT way, but it only took my roommate about 15 minutes to find his way around. Both of us have already converted most of our projects to xCode.
Guess you never ran Linux on a Mac.
:)
I've got Yellow Dog Linux 3 running on the original Rev. A Bondi iMac and it is as beautiful a sight as I've been treated to by computers. Very fast, very responsive under Gnome.
OS X on the same machine by contrast is an exercise in futility. The spinning ball never stops spinning. It crashes. It's slow. It's almost completely useless.
I guess that makes me an ass-clown too.
Is this truly the only Earth I can live on?
You should know, this guy posts to nearly every mac slashdot post. Same stuff every time.
TROLL
Gotta say I was drooling when they announced the G4 iBooks, lamenting my Applecare isn't up til May, but this has breathed new life into my iBook 500. I backed up to Peerless (hush - they were $50 EOL) and did an upgrade install - no problems so far. Given the backup, I may backup again now and do an erase install...
Everything is much faster. Mail.app has to reindex, Preview will now be my pdf viewer, and the calculator actually remembers which mode you quit it in. Sorry I paid for Koalacalc. The network panel is informative and rather than a clicking party.
Only drawback is without Quartz Extreme my Expose is doing about 3 fps, but it still does what's needed.
Only grip is that the new finder windows w/o toolbars have a very subtle facing - then you enable the new finder windows in full regalia, and they get the old brushed metal, which looks rough in comparison.
"Win treats sysadmins better than users. Mac treats users better than sysadmins. Linux treats everyone like sysadmins."
Atari also had another system which was never released called you guessed it, Panther. Panther was set to come out about the same time as the SNES... had it come out it would have been by far the most superior console for a year or two.
--- I do not moderate.
Dog tags would have been cool, all I got at the SOHO Apple Store (downtown NYC) was some "designer" wrapping paper for Christmas. But then again there was easily over 1000 people trying to get in. I was stupid and tried to get there right at 8:00, but I was met with a line that went around the block.
;)
There were tons of people there, that's for sure. I at least got entered to win a new Mac, but other than that the wrapping paper kinda sucks. I was hoping for free T-shirts as well. I didn't even get a copy of Panther either. That will have to wait until I get a job. Anyone out there looking for a Mac programer in the New York City area?
I did get to play with Panther though, and it is very cool.
infested with jello like fishes no melotron wishes
Do you even know what penultimate means? Judging by the context, I'd have to say not.
I've upgraded every time since 10.1, hitting all the revisions in between. I did an upgrade install with Jag and did one again on Panther. Not a problem; everything's working fine.
The people who seem to have problems with upgrades are the ones who install all that unsanity haxie garbage. At least, that seems to be a common denominator among most troubled upgrades.
I am not Herbert.
rofl
e r i c
I received my copy of "Panther" via FedEx at 11AM... so I spent the afternoon backing up and installing Panther on my two laptops (a 15" AlBook and older iBook SE). The install was three disks long (when will they start offering a DVD?) and rather uneventful.
I really dig the new "Expose'" feature, fast user switching and the capability to easily/seamlessly encrypt my home directory. I plan on testing the windows printer share capabilities in a few minutes...
However, my "Night of Panther" was spent watching the BBC's rendition of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy... had to test out the updated Apple DVD player, you know? It worked great!
I've been using Panther for about 24hours and really haven't run into any bugs other than having to reinstall MS Office X.
If you haven't already, I would highly recommend filing bug reports with Apple (go to the feedback section of their OS X website). Rumor has it Apple is currently collecting bugs to fix for 10.3.1.
Also, did you do a fresh install or an upgrade. My roommate and I did fresh installs on our machines and really haven't run into any of the bugs you've reported. Moving icons and mounting servers have worked fine for us. Though we don't use IMAP or Bluetooth.
I'm 26, but a significant majority of the folks at the release party I went to were 50+. I guess Apple's youth-oriented marketing hasn't been working in my area. It makes sense though; most of the young kids want to game and hot-rod their boxes--something Apple's not known for.
Hi,
I upgraded to Panther as well, and found the same problem. Compiling the latest CVS version of emacs seemed to fix it; I've been using it a couple of hours and it seems to be OK.
Detailed instructions can be found here.
Good luck!
It was probably MS that started this kind of hype for an OS; that may be their one claim to originality. Back before 1995, the idea that anyone would get amped up over an operating system release was absurd. I remember a friend telling me that when her family came in from India they were so curious about what this Windows 95 thing was that they had been hearing about.... until she explained that it was a computer disc!
Installed using Archive method on my 15 Powerbook Ti and the system is great! I'm not saying there are not bugs, becuase I've noticed a whole bunch of them. However, they are mostly just little things. For example, double click an icon while it's finder window is close to the edge of the screen, and it's quartz "fly out at you" effect is centered on the screen's barrier instead of over the icon itself.. Small things like that.
I love the big black cat...
Windows NT4 isn't vulnerable to the Blaster virus dude. You'd better check your facts before posting.
Hahahah. Ok ok....that's just TOO funny. No, really. Why would any AC desire to post how pisspoor their "G5" is compared to their vaunted PPro? See how many people bite, I guess. :) Oh well..I took the bait. I just want to commend you on THE most clever bit of parody since Weird Al's "Amish Paradise"
Oh MAN, that whole post should be modded +2 funny.
It's the Stay-Puft Marshmallow Man.
Been running 10.2.8 on two iMacs at home and it's been ok. I did max out the RAM at 512MB but it's perfectly usable. 10.1 pretty much blew chunks, though. That being said, will be interesting to see how much faster 10.3 is. It's nice that, since 10.0 was a major slowdown, 10.x keeps getting faster. Guess if you start with a low bar, it's easy to keep improving with each release.
I drank what? -- Socrates
Yeah, it would have had vastly superior hardware, but it would have only run about 3 games like "Laser Cop" "Mushroom Jump Guy" and "Space Zero: 2077" that no-one would have cared about.
See early user feedback. Also, anyone tried this FREE powerful FORTRAN for Panther tuned to exploit AltiVec G5 power (also works on G4s)?
C'mon, this is Slashdot. Here, buying Apple's OS is the penultimate example of American Consumerism, buying *Microsoft's* OS is the ultimate example of American Consumerism.
I wouldn't want to even hazard a guess as to what the antepenultimate and preantepenultimate (yes, they're real words) examples are.
... Sales of Apple's new OS dubbed "Panther" slowed to a crawl Saturday as 90 percent of Mac owners purchased the software the night before...
I planned on inserting something witty here but never got around to it.
did they fix the bug where os x sucks and linux owns it?
Is that the bug where Mandrake Linux fucks up LG CDROMs and OX10.3 doesn't? Yes, I think that bug is fixed. Thanks for asking, troll.
enough said
you're a tard and dont read /. much do you, this is the standard mac rant that's been around for around 2 months. this AC is not clever - just a poser
I went to MacDaddy Computers, an Apple Specialist in Modesto, about a 20 minute drive from my house. It's a really small store on one of the main drags through town, and there was literally nobody there at 9:00PM outside of the store employees. I was lucky enough to snag the last copy they had; they had put a "sold out" sign in the window right before I got there. I also got some dog tags with the cool metal X logo and the requisite 10.3 t-shirt.
:-D
As far as the OS goes, it's by far the best one yet. With each new release of OS X, there have been reviewers going on about the massive speed increases over the previous versions... but this is the only upgrade where I have actually felt the massive speed increase. This, along with numerous other interface improvements, make it worth every penny (I paid full price).
For example, I thought I would hate the new Finder, but it's really great, and I find it more usable than the 10.2 Finder. If you don't like the sidebar and/or the brushed metal, you can make them both go away with a click of the toolbar widget. Once they're gone, the Finder behaves pretty much exactly like the OS 9 Finder, a throwback I (and the spatial-finder dude at Ars Technica) really appreciate. Expose's coolness factor is matched only by its utility. The guy who runs MacDaddy said I'd be loving it on a 12" iBook screen, and I really am. The application switcher that pops up in lieu of the Dock is pretty much lifted from Windows and KDE, but is so much cooler because it displays icons in their full 128x128 glory.
Now the only thing I have to wait for is an update to XPostFacto so I can put it on my Beige G4. I don't think I'm ever going to bother with installing 10.2 or below on anything again.
Do these people actually *do* anything, or are they simply consumers?
--
Geek Girls Naked! [ccbill.com
Do YOU actually *DO* anything? Or just pimp geek women to slashdot losers?
Dont get me wrong, I agree with what your criticism of the lemming consumers, but I just think its ironic that you're nothing but a peddler (not a smut peddler per se, but just a peddler) yourself.
Upgrading vs. Clean install
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:)
Profile: 12.1 1ghz G4 powerbook CDRW
First impressions - sucks of an "upgarde" - meaning taking 10.2.8 install and going to try and install 10.3 ON TOP of the install and save all the settings and
Safari and Internet Explorer didn't launch AT ALL.
Roxio Toast doesn't work AT ALL
Start up scripts were not preserved (custom mysql and apache installs from source)
Non-proper shutdown and had to force quit a NUMBER of times - 5 total out of 7 reboots
A number of noticable features were just do not working or didn't show up in the "upgrade" that are avaible in the FULL BLOWN FROM SCRATCH.
Full blown INSTALL -> backedup via ipod
Features are rich, vivid colors.
VERY quick launch, and seems to be a lot of enhancements to make the kernel quicker with its module.
Roxio Toast 6 STILL doesn't work.
I HATE the box feature around icons on the deaktop, however the icon blowup is VERY nice
Mail client, Safari, and Bluetooth support seemed to have been upgraded to provide better broadcast of devices and looks nice.
I think that my final verdict is that I'm going to STAY with 10.3, but if you are doing a simple install OVER your current install of 10.2.8 its completely worthless. Back up ALL your stuff.
If you have customised your mac, desktop or powerbook, 10.3 will NOT bring you any added benifit. Sure there are 150 updates, but non of them are like the 10.1 -> 10.2 upgrade by roping in the lead BSD developer to fix a LOT of performance issues that were present.
HOWEVER, if you are a software developer, you will enjoy the better customisations that are avalible in the install -> namely the install of X11.
Another "JUST DOESN"T WORK" out of the box features, is the compile of PHP 4.x and 5.x-beta. Some how the DNS package so files just are NOT working. I have yet to find a solution but I'll keep looking.
Rating: 7/10
Plus: faster, seems to be more stable, has a lot of "creature comfort" upgrade, Xcode tools look to be a HUGE plus
Con: Roxio, and PHP don't work out of the source installs at ALL. no MAJOR blemishes, but it seems to be more cosmetic and little features rather than "functional" ground shaking updates Could have simply kept on patching vs. a FULL upgarde and marketing of the product.
These are not un-common problems with clean-up OS releases. A major release example would be Windows 98 -> Windows Me which was more of a huge PATCH, rather than a real OS upgrade. Windows 2000 was the REAL release, and I think that the NEXT release should be 11 with some BETTER upgrade features.
Easy, it's the second greatest writing implement ever invented.
Personally, I don't find the selection of Mac games to be that bad. In terms of proprietory stuff, it has more ports of PC stuff than does Linux, plus being UNIX based, you can easily compile all the open source Linux stuff as well. But then, perhaps I'm not a "power gamer" as I only purchase 3 or 4 games per year.
they moved the option to set drafts, sent, and trash. click the folder you want to set as trash, click the menu mailbox, then "Use this mailbox for" -> trash you used to be able to set these from ctrl-clicking the folder.. oh well.
- tristan
It singlehandedly erased all my negative engrams upon first usage.
I commonly have ten applications and 25 windows open. Expose rocked my freakin' world. When I tied it to the right side button on my Intellimouse, my brain trancended to a spiritual level shared only by archangels and certain select saints. Once I came down from that, I had a full and satisfying orgasm with every subsequent use.
I AM NOT EXAGGERATING!
Well, OK, maybe a little.
Oh, and the new customizable finder bar in conjunction with the dock makes life good.
And for the first time I find labels cool. I never even used those back in the ghastly pre-OSX days.
--- Ban humanity.
Well, I feel like an idiot. My friend paid for the upgrade version. I bought the full version. In the past, the upgrade versions required a prior version of MacOS already on the hard drive. I really hate having to install my original 10.0 discs, then go through my 10.1 and 10.2 upgrade CDs on a new clean hard drive install. And I wanted to be able to install Panther from scratch.
I was quite surprised to compare my box to his. Same bar code, same product number, same CDs.
Guess I could have saved $60.
"Population 1,656"
Yep, you got it right and not ...uueee, but first you've got to get Mac with LG drive to test wheter it will fuck up this drive or not. But fortunate for you, you can't
Signature Pro version 1.13.2-3 release 83.5 beta3try7 after-breakfast edition
What was the last version of OS X you ran on your iMac? The first couple point releases were dogs on older machines, but Jaguar made great strides in that area, and from what I hear, Panther goes even further. However, I think the grandparent was talking about the UI, not the performance. You have to admit, the Jaguar UI is far better than Gnome, KDE, or any other Linux UI.
I waited in line at my local Apple Store, well worth the wait for the best version of OS X so far...
When a post like the parent gets modded down, it really tells you something about the whole Linux on The Desktop movement.
If Open Source/Free Software is unwilling to tolerate people making legitimate complaints about things that sap their productivity and destroy their user experience, then perhaps Linux really isn't as ready for the desktop as we thought it was.
Ergonomica Auctorita Illico!
I'm seriously considering switching; when was the last time an MS OS gave you a free IDE? QBASIC?
I usually build my own boxes, but I'd like to see suggestions for the $1000 +/- range. Just need a desktop/tower form factor, and I already have a nice LCD monitor. Reccomendations?
It's kickass, especially f9, but the Active Directory plugin is a noshow. We were waiting to deploy some g5s and pbs until panther arrived, so we could just integrate them with our AD setup, but the AD plugin just doesn't work in our environment. Check out the apple resource page for panther for active directory, and you'll see the problems in detail.
Do you see the sig? Do you have it in your sights? Why yes, Miss Moneypenny...
My spiffy new silver-and-black 10.3 upgrade CD's just arrived yesterday, and I installed them... ...it is indeed build 7B85.
But what's with the "B?"
Isn't the "B" designation usually used for a beta release?
"How to Do Nothing," kids activities, back in print!
Works for me. Haven't had a problem.
:-D
If you upgrade and have problems. LOG BUGS TO APPLE! Don't just bitch and whine here and then wipe your drive and clean install. Log the bug first! Then bitch and whine to someone else and do a clean install...
I got sucked in and had to look. There goes my appetite!
_damnit_
It's my job to freeze you. -- Logan's Run
Is fink running on 10.3
Just got panther installed, launched safari and set slashdot to my homepage, and I see this artical.. weird.....
I thought panther's safari had a new integrated spellchecker.
No?
Malike Bamiyi wanted my assistance.
"Go back to school child."
I think that the proper spelling of center was part of 3rd grade spelling lessons. Time for you to go back to school: you should not have dropped out during Kindergarten.
"Dude", if people checked their facts we wouldn't have the Democrat party!
It's kind of sad that this is the only place where you get that same kind of ...release buzz...that you used to get back in the late 80's or early 90's almost regularly.
The industry just plain sucks nowadays. The shrinkwrap software market is dead. I walk into computer stores and find no one at shelves. No one is really buying anything. Computer shows are pretty much dead, even the swap meet kind. Building your own system is only for old geezers like me. The old local geek meetings like computer clubs pretty much barely exist. The onset of the net killed BBS's dead, eliminating that 'local' link.
This was ultimately the result of Microsoft's dominance. I curse everything I ever did to facilitate it. Sadly, with every day I got up during the 90's to go to work, I helped in many ways, along with thousands of others.
Stupid.
HBI's Law: Frequency of calling others Nazis is directly correlated with the likelihood of the accuser being Communist.
Ahem...
t .a sp
http://www.microsoft.com/security/incident/blas
Where the value of X-Mailer: is the true measure of a man...
asl?
I'm aware that there are a number of supported machines that don't have DVD players, however it would be a nice option if they made both available. Also, Apple is *still* offering an iBook with CD drive through the education store!
Just hope the option comes soon... then I won't have to spend time swapping install disks. Perhaps the next major release?
For people who have bought and installed Panther already, what is its build number?
I can remember a lot of speculation that 7B85 was going to be the final but stopped following the discussion some time ago.
No, we wouldn't need one to differentiate from the ignorant fucks calling themselves Republicans -- we'd all be Democrats.
However, you'll probably gain more respect from the gaming community - and your efforts will be more useful towards a real job in the gaming industry - if you don't do a Columbine total conversion.
I can see why you posted this anonymous. tee hee!
The fact that immediately you assume we are doing a school shooting mod, kinda makes me chuckle. Why don't you head over to our site and read about our project before you ignorantly bash it: http://doomforcolumbine.com
It's not the kill kids mod for DooM. It's non-violent, political satire in the perfect sheath -- a formerly violent video game!
I agree it would be nice but I can understand Apple's position on it. And brother I totally understand about the disc swapping. My Panther install would have been done ten minutes sooner if I didn't have to keep trying to gently remove the disc from its magic sleeve of +2 protection.
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Are you joking, the only time we diss consumerism is when we talk about the RIAA or the MPAA or perhaps even Microsoft. Those fat capitalist pigs! But not Jobs, he's no fat cat.. even if his company produces more propriety crap than all the broken audio cd formats the RIAA spits out. Even if he bastardizes BSD and ports the mega-proprietary Macintosh interface to it. We love Jobs. All hail to Jobs, all hail to consumerism!
Hey grandpa, they let you have laptops at the nursing home?
I can watch all my porn at the same time!
What dipshit moderated that flamebait?
I don't want to start a holy war here, but what is the deal with you PC fanatics? I have recently upgraded from a Dell Dimension desktop running at 500 MHz to a new P4 3.3 GHz running WinXP and Red Hat to help me at my freelance gig where I copy a 17 MB stick of butter
from one folder on the hard drive to another folder, over and over, all day long, day in and day out, for no reason whatsoever. On the P4 I spent about 6 millennia trying to install Leisure Suit Larry 3. 6 millennia. At home, on my Vic-20 running on a gigantic steam-based generator, which by all standards should be a lot slower than this P4, the same operation would take about 2 nanoseconds. If that.
In addition, during this butter transfer, my PocketPC will not work. KaZaa has ground to a halt. Even Explorer is straining to keep up as I type this. Beyond that, I've been left impotent, crying on the floor as passersby on the street below point, laugh, and deride my choice of computing platform.
I won't bore you with the laundry list of other problems that I've encountered while working on various PCs, but suffice it to say there have been many, not the least of which is I've never seen a PC that has run faster than a peanut butter and jelly sandwich, despite the P4's higher protein content. My TI-80 with 8kb of RAM running a poorly coded, bug-ridden, home-brewed OS that has a broken leg and no input method runs faster than this P4 machine at times. From a productivity standpoint, I don't get how people can claim that WinTel is a superior platform.
PC weenies, flame me if you'd like, but I'd rather hear some intelligent reasons why anyone would choose to use a PC over scribbling with invisible ink on homemade parchment.
3% world wide, but Macs have 15% in the US where people actualy buy stuff, so if you can be profitable in teh US, that is all you realy need.
see, the problem with teh rest of the world is that tehy are all pirates who have no morals and most have slanted eys making it harder to see when driving, so this is why they steel stuff. they can't get to work so tehy need to steel.
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You talk about how you wouldn't stand in line with hundreds of people and stand around for an hour just to be first ... ... and you get first post for it!
You obviously don't remember the Mac hype around the release of System 7. Complete with a dorky "7" that looked like a human leg (imagine it...) that spun around and kicked a multi-colored "Window", which shattered.
That would have been...maybe 1990?
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I have OSX 10.2.6 running on an original imac, but until I added another 256M chip it was indeed VERY slow. I also added a 120G drive and now it makes a fantastic iTunes music server and stores all my photos. It is not that awfully slow anymore for other tasks either. I also still use it on OS9 to play some of the many games I have accumulated over the years.
AAW
All theory is gray
Guess you never ran OS X on a modern Mac. I've got OS X 10.3 running on the Rev. B 12" Powerbook and it is as beautiful a sight as I've been treated to by computers. Very fast, very responsive Finder.
Running Linux on the same machine by contrast is an exercise in idiocy. You never stop configuring and tinkering with it. X11 crashes. Mozilla is slow. It's almost completely useless for getting real work done.
A couple great places to check for refurbished Apple machines are Powermax.com and the Apple Store "Hot Deals" section. I've bought refurbished machines from both of these and had no problems. But these days, Apple is selling the G4 1.25GHz for $1299, so the savings you get from buying refurbished is negligible. I'm using one of these G4 systems as my main workstation now and I'd have no problem recommending it to anyone.
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Hit the button in the top right-hand corner of the window, in the titlebar.
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not so (no edu. discount at stores)
at least at the stores in Norther VA- I've bought at both Clarendon and Tysons' with my school direct deposit paystub and a photo ID.
got the disc. and no wait.
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If she floats, she's a witch.
Currently I boot 10.3 install, then I install 9.2.2, 10.1.5, 10.2.8 via an Automated ASR script.
Netbooting the 10.3 install and automating all of this, anyone have a detailed tutorial before I write one?
I'm a big retard who forgot to log out of Slashdot on Mike's computer! LOOK AT ME.
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After using 10.0 for a few months, my mind started melting away and Apple released 10.1. Yay.
After using 10.1 for almost a year, my sanity for a sane user experience started wearing thin. Finally Apple released 10.2, which was also much snappier. And it was something to rival OS 9 in a give-or-take competition for usability vs. stability, with Jaguar clearly winning.
But Panther just blows the doors off of.., um, not sure which doors I'm talking about. Let's put it this way in terms of performance. I used xbench to measure before and after the upgrade.
10.2.8 scores
CPU: 65.14
Thread Test: 35.3
Memory: 63.7
Quartz: 66
OpenGL: 60.5
UI (aqua controls): 57.87 (18.51 refresh/sec)
10.3.0 scores
CPU: 78.87
Thread Test: 60.95
Memory: 103.96
Quartz: 102.62
OpenGL: 78.6
UI (aqua controls): 141.58 (45.54 refresh/sec)
Totals:
10.2: 57.75
10.3: 85.19
Yes, HOLY CRAP this Mac is faster! My Q3A framerate jumped 15 fps (using the Q3 G4 beta). And the UI experience is much much smoother now, really the way OS X should be. Most notably, sheets and other window animation is VERY fast, and they now properly supplement the user experience, instead of just being eye candy. The Dock still sucks, but you can finally hide apps from the Dock contextual menu.
So, if you're sitting on the fence, jump off. If you thought Macs were slow, they just got a bit faster.
Moderators should have to take a reading comprehension test.
>>Those fortunate enough to have an Apple Store near them were in for a treat last night
And to all 12 of you I say, "Congratulations!!!"
-pyrrho
First, I don't know if I would call Xcode comparable to Visual Studio. Second, of course Apple's giving away development tools. Unlike Microsoft, Apple's desparate to have programs developed for its overpriced niche platform.
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hey moron, penultimate means "second to last" not "second most ultimate".
They worked fine for me, and they are the retail release.
anyone bought it because they thought it had something to do with Malcom X? The box looks a lot like those baseball caps that were so 'hip' a few years ago.
the good ground has been paved over by suicidal maniacs
...contact Apple about this, instead of incessantly fucking whining about it here? I'd rather see the "Father O'Day" and "I don't want to start a holy war here" posts than keep seeing this drivel.
You get no sympathy from me or anyone else who doesn't find it a hardship to bend their left pinky down to hit Ctrl where it is currently placed.
I have an LG DVD/CDRW combo that I installed in my G4. Not only was it not messed up by installing Panther, but Panther has native burn support for it.
I had to do some minor hacking to get Finder/iTunes burn support for it in Jaguar.
You naive Windows users are so cute when at your most ignorant!
The trick is not that it tiles - it's that it also untiles. All instantly. It's not a destructive force, but an educational one that merely presents information in the most direct way possible for us puny humans to experience it. Also, to equate the old tiling which makes all the windows the same size is to compare your existence to the rather unrefined existence of hunter-gatherers in ancient Sarum.
Could you please explain how you tied it to the side button of the mouse.
I wouldn't be too sad. I got the dog tags and thought "Hell, I'll wear them for good luck while installing Panther!". Oops, airport on Powerbook stopped working.
Then I tried to install on someone else's computer (I bought the family pack, and am stretching the license slightly by spreading it out across a few family members). I accidentally slipped on the dog tags again (What compelled me? I know not. I had stored them in the Panther case and just slipped them on absent-mindedly while pulling out the install CD's). Helllo, a computer trying to go from 9.0 to OS X - no more classic and no more booting back to OS 9 for YOU son!
Sure, I managed to resolve each of these issues after a few hours investigation. But I might point out only AFTER I removed the dog tags from around my neck.
At least the wrapping paper looks cool, and didn't cause you hours of annoyance.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
LOL. YHBT and YHL quite splendidly. Nice moves.
Please take note: Code Completion does not work in Xcode; I got Panther just this afternoon and the only thing code completion works for is language keywords. It does NOT autocomplete class member functions or variables at all.
I love my mac but right now I feel cheated.
This is about as Insightful as it gets for this story. Of course, I suppose upgrading for speed is better than what you got by "upgrading" to Windows ME.
shitty nerd humour at its finest. yay.
I just finished helping upgrade a G4/400 Quicksilver tower today. I knew that Panther would need more graphical oomph than was provided by the original card (not even sure if that supported Quartz Extreme) so after a little research I bought a Radeon 8500 AGP card (64MB VRAM).
That worked really well, after upping the memory to 768MB as well Panther is very fast and has no issues at all. Frankly, between the video card upgrade and the increase in memory (use to have only 128MB - only ran OS9 before though) it feels almost like a new computer.
A note of caution though - this card is discontinued, and if you find one to buy make SURE it is the Mac version!! There is some talk of flashing the roms with mac roms - unless you get one of the models that has a smaller ROM than the Mac version. Not worth the agony, just get the mac version. You can find some on eBay even now, price is ~$100. I don't think newer Macs have to worry about silliness with Mac-specific video cards.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
I've got Jaguar right now, and while Panther does have some interesting new features, they're not worth $130 to me. Apple needs to offer upgrade versions... 50% off if you own 10.2, 20% off if you own 10.0 or 10.1, or something along those lines.
This is a different AC, and I did read your site. You guys are tools, and need to pull your limp cocks out of Michael Moore's asshole.
Your TC idea is ridiculous, unfunny, and all around retarded. The other guy was nice enough to suggest you back out now, to save yourself. I'm gonna go ahead and suggest you do it, so that no one ever has to see any of your shit-laden work again.
That is all. Suck a dick.
The 15" PBs have shown to be pretty finicky about memory. Lots of reports of them refusing to boot when using 3rd party memory which isn't up to Apple's tolerances. But Crucial supplies exactly the same memory units that Apple uses, so there should be no worries there.
Safari uses the standard Cocoa text area control. Because of this it has spell checking, it just has to be enabled. Right-click in a text area, choose Spelling->Check Spelling As You Type from the menu, and the red dotted underline appears under each misspelled word. I know it works, because I've used it to help me catch a couple of spelling errors in this very message.
From what I understand, Panther's text area window gives some improvements to this feature. (allowing F5 to be used in a manner similar to Auto-complete)
Consumerism can be a mark of sheepishness. But at least it isn't a catastrophic moral failure on the order of publicly desiring people you don't even know dead. That's really cockroachville.
I disagree with you about GB Sr. He was a pretty good president and reasonably intelligent man. His son is far more right wing and far more dangerous.
Damn, you got me there:) Apple never had support for any non-Apple hardware without proprietary drivers from other providers.
Well, times change I guess:)
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I am a happy Mac owner, but at work I use Opera 7 mail. It takes a little getting used to (basically there are dynamic views like "Unread messages" in addition to static mailboxes), but it's quite functional and, like the rest of Opera, fast and uses little memory.
It will set you back 40 bucks unless you want to look at the ads. But hey, so will a nice dinner.
Checking the website . . . it says G5 required. Have you tried it on a G4, or can point me to another location that verifies it works on G4?
Thanks in advance . . .
Having pointers to local variables really does you in, because any dereference - and any function call that must be assumed to do the same - can potentially change any variable in the program. All the registers must be flushed and reloaded.
On the other hand, Fortran doesn't have pointers and for loops can be often not only optimized but paralelized for different values of the loop variable. Say, using vector instructions.
Weather it could be done using a subset of C, some C like syntax or even Java is an open questions. But it seems existing optimizing compilers for numeric calculation are usually for FORTRAN.
. You have to admit, the Jaguar UI is far better than Gnome, KDE, or any other Linux UI.
I must be the only one in the world who hates the Dock with a passion. "Hey, lets mix running application icons with non-running application icons! How intuitive!"
I also hate the finder. The fact that the finder doesn't update until it gets focus is rediculous. "Where's that file I just saved? It's not on the desktop.. oh wait, let me click on the desktop. there it is"
Not to mention that OSX's terminal is slow as a dog, and doesn't have tabs like Gnome's does.
I have a Dual G4 1.2 ghz, and a P4 2.4 ghz on my desk at work, the P4 gets used far more often because I prefer Gnome to OSX.
My cheers and jeers to apple:
Expose is cool, esp the show desktop feature.
but why did apple have to get rid of the command-tab switcher? On my 500Mhz G4, I now have to wait a half second before the big translucent current-application bar appears, and then I have to wait for it to disappear. Apple should keep old features along with adding new ones.
the new tabs (like, ones I see in adium), suck a whole lot.
brushed metal needs to die. its really ugly, and not all that cool-looking.
cheerio.
You didn't specify which size Powerbook, but http://www.willowdesign.com/WillowAppleCatPORT.htm l>Willow Designs has cases for everything. I work with people who've been buying Willow cases for over ten years, and we've never had a break.
Having installed Panther today, I'd say it's a nice improvement.
Upon installation, one interesting thing happened: the machine happened to kick into sleep mode, because I was away while it asked for disc 2. That's the first time I've ever seen an OS installer ever do that. Sure, they just boot to OS X from CD and then do an installation, but still pretty cool. Also, my machine didn't reboot after install, it was ready to use immediately, and no required reboot after doing Software Updates for iTunes and iSync. Expose is probably my favorite new feature, overall, though. The speed improvement is quite noticable on my upgraded G4 1.2Ghz (used to be a G4 400Mhz).
Umm.... I would hardly describe the current Mac game situartion as "a small, random, usually not terribly good selection"!
Let's see.... Unreal Tournament 2003, Tony Hawk Pro Skater 3 and 4, Wolfenstein 3D, Quake 3 Arena, Kelly Slater Pro Surfer, Tiger Woods PGA Tour Golf from EA Sports, Warcraft 3 + Frozen Throne expansion set, Warrior Kings, Stronghold, Dungeon Seige, Age of Mythology, Age of Empires 2, Halo (due out before Xmas), James Bond: A Spy in H.A.R.M.'s Way, Medal of Honor + expansion pack, Jedi Knight II, Soldier of Fortune II..... not to mention some really teriffic stuff put out by the little guys/shareware authors, like Enigmo.
I'd say things in the Mac gaming world are looking better now than they have in years - and it damn sure looks better than my Linux gaming selection. No, they still don't have anywhere near the number of titles available for the PC, but so many PC titles are a waste of money. It seems to me they only take the time to port the "cream of the crop" of what's already out for PC, and that's fine with me. Unless you pirate everything, you're not really going to be able to buy all the new game titles they crank out for the PC, anyway.
(Well, I could live without that port of Bloodrayne for the Mac, but hey - I've seen worse....)
I was just over by the Apple store in Palo Alto and it looked like a normal Saturday night. Gorgeous weather, incidentally.
Isn't it obvious? He wanted to say ultimate, but penultimate has more syllables than ultimate. Somewhere in his brain is a neuron that encodes the idea that smart people use words with more syllables relative to words used by dumb people. Somewhere else in his brain is a neuron that encodes his flailing desires to be an intellectual. In the absense of neurons to encode other relevant information to counter the reaction (e.g. "this word use doesn't make sense" or "wishing innocents dead isn't cool"), the neurons excited each other to the point that their combined energies lept across a synapse, producing a brief controlled muscle spasm that, perhaps even unbeknownst to him, caused him to prepend "pen" to "ultimate".
(Actually, I was joking, but that analysis seems pretty spot on now that I read it over. Hmmm.)
The upcoming version of Metallifizer is supposed to be able to remove the brushed metal frome the Finder without removing the toolbar. I tried it out, and while promising, its still a bit buggy for me to use.
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There are a couple solutions to this problem:
1. Tweak OSX - there are tons of apps to make OSX work the way you want to - or you can just use your favorite *NIX apps via the *new and improved* X11 support in Panther. 2. Install Linux on the mac. YDL is great if you like Red Hat, and supports lots of late-model hardware. Gentoo has a well-maintained PPC distro, if you like compiling things.
XPostFacto will be updated to work with 10.3 when Darwin gets synched with Panther. The .kext files that enable hardware support and booting ability in older machines come from there....
:)
Which will be nice for me. When XPostFacto works with 10.3, I can update both of my beige G3s and my 9600 at the same time (all of which run Jaguar)
Several tribesmen slaugtered.
I must be the only one in the world who hates the Dock with a passion. "Hey, lets mix running application icons with non-running application icons! How intuitive!"
You must be the only one in the world who has Dock that does not distinguish running an non-running apps. The rest of us use Dock that differentiates them by means of a bold black triangle (running) or a lack of it (non running).
http://www.acmemade.com/
I have a charcoal case for my 15" AlBook and it's perfect - just enough room in the side zipper pocket for the adapter, and any extra cables you might need - or even a few DVDs for the road.
Never pet a burning dog.
Does anyone know of a manufacturer of a good cycle pannier that fits apple laptops. Something to take the worst of London weather and London potholes.
I haven't tried the FORTRAN compiler, but IBM's C/C++ compiler works fine on my G4 and produces programs that work, too.
It also produces slightly (about 10%) faster code than gcc using conservative optimization options for both compilers, but does compile slightly slower (the difference is small, though, and it might be because Apple's version of gcc supports precompiled headers, though).
see, the problem with teh rest of the world is that tehy are all pirates who have no morals and most have slanted eys making it harder to see when driving, so this is why they steel stuff. they can't get to work so tehy need to steel.
All of this may be true, but at least some of us living in the underdeveloped world have an education system that works.
Perhaps that's why India is getting all of USA's the tech jobs? There you've got an extremely poor country where people speak English as their second or third language, but they can still spell a common, five letter word like 'steal'.
Take a long hard look at the Developer Documentation and specifically the Objective-C changes.
What do you think?
Java is not Apple's OO Frameworks for Applications.
Java is there for Server-side development and hence it is not priority number one since Apple is not an Web Services company first and foremost.
I would expect such functionality to be added later, sometime after SDK 1.5.
GB Sr? He was a long time CIA man, meaning he's killed a large number of people, and he's got loads of dirty secrets hidden away. It's feasible that he plotted his son's reign and executed a plan to get that. Look at the votes in Florida. Look at 9/11. I smell a conspiracy, and I'm not your typical conspiracy nut. I'm reasonable and average in almost every way. :)
I think his son is just not a skilled as he was in hiding his true self. If anything, Bush Jr. is less confident and assured as his father. He's doing his father's bidding.
Nonsense. My first CD burner was a SCSI Sony 1902 in an old Mac 6100. The burner software worked 100% even though it wasn't an Apple drive. Years back I also installed a 3DFX 3D-only card in a StarMax clone (~6 years ago?) and it worked fine. I've been putting 3rd party IDE and SCSI drives in Macs for years...
Encountered only two problems.
First, CodeTek Virtual Desktop seems to be incompatable with Panther; it crashes every open app when running.
Second, Duality (a skin changer) fails. However, Panther's UI is somewhat similar to the UI I had the system skinned to, anyhow (Milk).
You're welcome to your views, no matter how rude or obnoxious they might be. You're obviously some troll, who slams everything outside your demographic. Or maybe you visit PlanetCrap.com frequently? (just a guess here)
Do ya hate everyone who's not like you? Do you hate everything that's not aimed directly at your world or style? So why do you hate Michael Moore? Is it because of his weight? His political slant? His film? Or do you secretly want him, sexually, and are angry with him for rejecting your overtures d'amour?
Tell us, AC. Who's your daddy? Dubya?
Greetings friends! I come from Bucketalia, a small country off the coast of Rupertsland! I believe that anyone not of my nationality (though I belong to the same race as they) is stupid. In fact, I'll PROVE it with elitist comments and silly bickering.
Bucketalia has over 1,000,000,000,000 square . . . units of space with lush forests, beautiful lakes and all that jazz. So soak it up you citizens of the lesser realms! Pfft.
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I downloaded Slackware 8 for old pcs, and added KDE 3 to it, so I guess I qualify:-}
So basically, you're saying that if it's worth playing, you can play it on the Mac!
:)
Sounds good to me.
"Oh no we wouldn't." (like them)
And that applies here, too. The US is king.
Of course someone else refutes this, and then there's a rebutal of the refuting. Etc. It's all, as those of an observational nature are inclined to agree, an exercise in futility.
However, point out that Tim Berners-Lee wrote the Web while at the CERN in Switzerland. That's a good start to point out the Web's international origins. And from there you have 'em snagged.
As for spelling, ridiculous. Arbitrary combinations of letters shouldn't be used to determine the intelligence of a populace. Well, there can be subcultures that would make this rule an exception - e.g. people who type "u" instead of "you", et al. But as long as one is spelling properly within the context of their own culture and messages are conveyed, who cares?
So, the internet is an international culture. Why spelling is "right"? Neither. Though I'd opt for the one that requires the least letters to convey an idea. Color vs. Colour, etc. Some would say that the "u" adds a form of elegance to the word. Which is really hog-wash. It sounds French, which is odd considering the word is English - and the English spent much of their medieval history disliking the French, yet fight so hard to preserve that form of spelling.
In any case, the least letters to convey an idea tends to be the best way for communication. Though, of course, this may well lead to Newspeak. Hmm. I think I've grown too long winded in my discussion of linguistics.
Sweet! Thanks for the tip!
Or maybe you are just the only one who hasn't figured out the obvious solution. Simply pull all of the non-running applications out of the dock, and watch them vanish in a puff of smoke. If you want a special place for non-running favorite applications, you can alias them to a folder, and drag the folder to the document part of the bar, and launch them from the pop-up menu. Or use one of the many launcher programs that provide a separate dock for this purpose.
In Panther, Command-Tabbing between the Open Apps only shows the open Apps in a WindowsXPish way, but nicer looking. The Panther finder is improved too.
The best parody of that old troll I've ever read!
Your machine did reboot, you just missed it. The installer reboots after the first CD, then asks for disk 2. The stuff on disk 2 doesn't require a restart.
Boom Shanka
Yeah, I always lets the actions of other people make my decisions for me, too.
You can tell a great deal about the character of a man by observing those who hate him.
When the "other people" are representatives of the vendor, I think that's pretty legitimate.
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No! Do NOT get the Mac-version! The PC-version is $100 cheaper and the flashing is painless! There have been NO PROBLEMS at all with my flashed Radeon 8500 and it was the best thing I ever did for my old G4 400. (Oh, and the 1.2 GB of RAM helped too ;)
"I tend to think of OS X as Linux with QA and Taste", James Gosling, creator of Java
Well, the $130 is the upgrade price. It's just that Apple is being nice and letting everyone (even those with only OS 9) upgrade for the same price.
I.e. the hypothetical "full price" would be something like $260
And good riddance! Dumb people like you are better served by M$ anyway.
Yes! Works fine on my G4 with Panther.
Perhaps about twice the MHz is required on Wintel: 1.6 GHz
Read several places on the net that the educational discount for Panther is ONLY available from Apple on the network Apple store. I think such educational discounts have been handled thios way for some time.
I'm running 10.2.5 on my Beige G3 266 here... And OSX only recognizes 320 megs of my RAM :-\.
It's a bit slow, though not un-usable...maybe I'm just too used to using it, though...
As for Panther making great strides on performance for older machines...it doesn't SUPPORT older machines. I won't be buying Panther because it "can't" on my Mac...
Oh my god, thank you for telling me about that
Right, because every single Microsoft, DELL, Gateway, or HP employee is PERFECT and ALWAYS puts the Customer's needs to the front! Same with BestBuy employees, CompUSA and Fry's employees, and OfficeDepot and Staples. None of them have EVER angered a customer over ANY issue. In fact, just the other day I went into a store and said:
I would like 5 licenses of Windows XP for $99, and they smiled and said Sure! Here you go!
I didn't say that I desired any dead. I was merely pointing out that my guess is that these sheeple don't contribute to society any more than their wallets do. What kind of people are so self-indulgent and frivolous that they'll line up, clamor, and obsess over a fucking product??
CD Burner was running on Toast probably
3DFX provided their own drivers
IDE drive is IDE drive and that was the only component which you could insert it in and know it will work, although there was a time when HDT was needed to format those drives.
I was using Macs (not as some DTP user, I was servicing them), and still am for about 7 years now, so you could say that I know a little about them
You missed the point, completely. What I was reffering was system base support for hardware, as in, you insert CDROM, and CDROM works without any interferance or drivers. And that support was clearly defined that in Panther now ATAPI drives work that way (by previous poster).
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Yes the PC version is cheaper. But as I said not all of the PC cards have enough flash rom to re-flash the bios. It's not worth $50 to have to go through the trouble of flashing the bios, with a possibility it might just not fit anyway!!
I think there may have been a few other issues as well. All I know is I read through a lot of support forums on using the 8500 on a Mac and I was pretty convinced to pay $50 more for a Mac specific version - and I've gone through the trouble of fixing broken ethernet drivers in Linux before when they were not working right with my card. I draw the line at physically having to add more flash rom to a commercial device.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Oh I remember it. But I didn't think anyone other than me and a few other Mac geeks cared. And I certainly don't remember TV ads for system 7 promising the best thing in user interface since the doorknob.
Then why did Sr write a book about why he didn't try to overthrow Saddam in the Gulf War, citing his main reason as there being no support for the action and no real exit strategy for the US troops. Almost all of the things he warned about in his book have come to pass under his son's presidency.
No, it's not an upgrade price if someone who doesn't own any version of MacOS (say, a Commodore 64 user) can buy it for the same price. The concept of an "upgrade price" is that someone who has paid full price for an earlier version of the software is entitled to a discount on a newer version. I see no discount here.
Turn off full keyboard access. System Preferences > Keyboard & Mouse
Holy fuck, Apple finally released a good OS. Time to seriously think about the switch...
Not always, but much of the time.
The Mac Gaming market is strongly word of mouth. Make a bad product, and the word gets out fast, and no one will buy. Make a good product, and you'll get noticed easier than in the more crowded PC and console markets. IMHO, anyway.
Some years back, one cross-platform developer considered the Mac market the small but reliable one, as they always sold a decent amount of games to them, and the Windows market was the one they might be ignored by, and might get lucky and make a lot of money on. I'm not sure of the name of that company anymore, it's been a while.
There was some talk on the MacGamer.com forums this weekend about someone possibly porting Postal 2. After some talk, and some graphic descriptions from when I saw my brother playing the game, well, let's just say that there's no longer anyone on MacGamer.com interested in buying the game.
"Common Sense Ain't" -Unknown
Yeah, that was fixed with OS X Public beta, where have you been?
And you can bet your ass that this poster would cease doing business with any of MS, Dell, Gateway, or HP should I be treated similarly and not receiving an apology and correction. But I know most people are sheep, unfortunately.
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The OS X text service is based off emacs. You can use any program based off Apple's text APIs and you are essentially using emacs.
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You can use textedit and your emacs key-shortcuts will work as expected. I'm pretty sure this is true of Word X too (I'm a vi guy so I haven't tried in Word).
It always shocks me when I accidentally ctrl-key something and it does unexpected things while entering text.
I'm not feeling witty so bite me
This feature might turn out to be pretty significant. Anyone with Panther have comments on how well import/export works?
Nuf Said
Ah....useful. The PPC architecture seems to be approximately twice as fast, so 800 = 1.6, but Panther might make things slightly faster than even that. 800 = 2.0? But, what is really important, how much work can you get done. My 550 TiBook easily outclasses the 2.2 PC I have sitting on my desk simply because I can trust OSX a lot more than Win2k. Your milage may vary.
Anyone who whines about being modded down should be.
Don't just take the education discount!!!
Sign up for the Student Developer program (on a link at developer.apple.com). Costs you $99, but you get a 20% hardware discount once a year and you get OS updates in the mail. I haven't even ordered my G5 yet, but I got an email saying I'd get the 4 CD set of Panther in the mail shortly...
Even with the $99, if you're getting a G5 and a display, you save $$$ even compared to the edu discount. And you can pick up an iPod and airport with the discount and hock em on ebay if you don't want em.
I'm saving my lunch money (as a grad student working full-time) for one of those G5's + a 20" lcd...
Looks like all the Mac fanboys are astroturffing this article, it must be all 10 of them with multiple /. accounts.
For basic text and formatting is works fine. More complex formatted .DOC's have issues, if there are tables and charts, for instance. No real issues in opening or saving to .DOC.
It's nice in a pinch, but I wouldn't rely on it as a replacement for Word.
Click and help me get an iPod?
The DVI port on the PC version of the Radeon 8500 is DVI-D, while the Mac version is DVI-I including a VGA adapter.
With the PC version you can only drive 1 analog and 1 digital monitor. The Mac version will also let you run 2 CRT monitors using the supplied adapter. Is that worth a few extra $? It is to me -- I have 2 rather nice Sun 21" Trinitron CRT's and no immediate need to upgrade.
I think I will be upgrading to a Radeon 8500 myself, which are available on Ebay or directly from the ATI web site.
Yes, the DCOM bug was present in NT. But Blaster's code doesn't replicate to NT4 or 2003, only 2000 and XP. See http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc /data/w32.blaster.worm.html.
If you're going to try to make an argument, don't reference pages from www.microsoft.com/security.
Are you sure it won't work ? I think the solution is just the USB. If that is the case I'm planing on just adding a USB card to my beige and install Phanter.
I have phanter here and I'm just waiting for my new video card (Radeo 7000 64mb) so try installing it on my beige 266mhz desktop. Let's see what hapends.
BSD licensed software can't be stolen....
I have USB. I think it needs BUILT-IN USB...