There are tons of restrictions on using software from foreign countries in the US government. You just don't see it that often as there aren't that many major players who aren't inside the USA. The issue really comes home with firewall software as the DoD can't by regulation use Checkpoint since its an Israeli company, as one example.
We already watch the crack dealers. They're normally called Rappers but still basicly the same thing.
Hackers has already been done, several times in many different ways.
Phishers would be kinda neat to watch actually. Reading the responses they get could be interesting.
Anyways if you think about it, we already watch massive destruction and mayhem on TV. Mean really how many times has Toyko been blown to bits by monsters, evil people, and really big robots? Why not watch this too. If anything its tamer than most TV.
Yes. That and it proceeds to self destruct afterwards. Total wipeout with multiple passes after encrypting certain parts of the drive (in case the wipes are interrupted somehow). Since critical data is kept in multiple countries I can afford to have it destroy itself outright. It tries to send an SOS first but either way my setup will do its best to make itself pretty useless except for the hardware.
Because it gives Security Specialists like me an idea of what is being targeted. When you know the target you can take stronger steps to defend against it.
We can only squeeze so much work out of the OS Admins at any given time. Means we have to pick and choose what level of patch speed we force since it's competeing against business decisions. If we know this week is IIS's week for new exploits, it gets the push. If its Apache it gets the push and the NT admins get the time to work on business stuff etc.
Knowing what the trends are is very important. To do that you have to find a way to keep up with who got broken into. How better than to offer in return for the up to minute reporting from the people breaking the systems than to store their work for their egos. They'll bust the systems anyways so why hell not get some good out of it?
Actually a lot of places already ban netblocks just because of location. Most of the IPs in the Gaza strip/Palastine etc areas are blocked at numerous places for instance.
I know I don't think anything of whipping out a default drop on entire B class networks if they are owned in a country that the customers have little business with currently or are known for trouble (Pakistan for instance is really starting to find itself unwelcome in a lot of places).
There are social issues against doing this but frankly if a given area is known for fire, why play with it. Drop and forget, revist later if conditions improve. Case in point, B class network today in Russia just found itself permanently unwelcome at any of the sites for the company I'm with, and companies where I know friends. They're blocked in 12 B classes and a few C classes on the side now just from refusing to respond against one of their users lauching a hostile attack.
Ultimately the best solution is that the ISPs or uplinks for the areas take action against attacks but you try getting an internet cafe in the middle of the Gaza strip to block attacks against a jewish owned business. Go ahead, if you can manage it great. My only sucessful recourse has been to drop all incoming packets.
Depends a lot on how the IDS is configured. The software tends to gather reports in a set timeframe. An incident is whatever happens from a given source in that time. Be it 30 seconds or 30 days.
May seem a tad 'goofy' but if the same ip does one thing today then another 6 months from now is it one incident (same source) or two separate ones (time differential)? There isn't a definite line in the sand though stating exactly what the timeframes should be except each organizations security policy. This isn't as precise as nuclear science, yet. Give it a few years.
Well the logs aren't always "hacked". An IDS registers 'invalid' or otherwise 'potentially hostile' traffic.
Just because some kid set off my IDS scanning for SubSeven doesn't mean my site is vulnerable to SubSeven and doesn't mean it was hacked. Fact that they were probably scanning a Solaris system aside all it meant was that my IDS saw the traffic.
Thats what a lot of these are is that the IDS see's the traffic, either because it is in front of the firewall or the port was opened on the firewall and the IDS behind it saw the packet. What that database could do is show you what are the most common scans performed and what type of sites see what type of attacks.
"Your Rights Online" couldn't be a more correct titling for it.
Basicly what I'm expecting is for Verant to try to squeeze the emulation software out either by court or by technical (changing the formats of all the files etc). Either way it is in a way it censoring.
An extreme amount if they are also the security specialist. Even more so if they are good at multiple operating systems. Plus you get into the problem of how to justify their cost to management, along with the security software etc. It is an ongoing battle to basicly spend extreme sums of money on something that doesn't appear to add to the bottom line of the company.
The united states has only been around for 200 years. That isn't exactly standing the test of time. Call me again and tell me how its standing after a another 800 or so years and I'd consider that acceptable.
While it isn't politically correct to declare it the US -is- an elitist system where you practically buy your way into office. Masses are gullible and easily swayed into whatever mold someone wants them in.
As it stands today you might as well cut a good 50% of the US out of the voting process. Less than that go vote anyways. They've disenfrancised themselves either through ignorance, stupidity or simply not caring. Why waste time worrying about them?
The ability to be enfrancised should be avaliable to anyone but it doesn't have to be handed on a silver platter. I fully believe that the governmental process should go fully electronic. Voting and all. If people want a say they hook up with computers, go to a public library etc. If they don't want to deal with a computer then they choose to be disenfrancised. They can change that status any time they feel like it.
Actually I disagree with your example of what may need censoring. Nazi sites have as much right to espouse their views as any Christian, Democrat, Republican, Muslum, -insert religion/ political / fringe/mainstream group name here - as part of free speech. That their views are reprehensible to some should not be a factor to prevent their right to speak the views.
A better example would be things like child pornography, named death threats etc. However a strong case can be made that those can be handled as they pretty much are today with similar effectiveness.
No flame taken;) I realize that is one of the first things anyone who still likes EQ would say. Almost word for word.
Now have to realize something about me... I played (and still play) the same text based mud after 7 years. Thats a long time. I don't burn out all that easily on stuff. I stayed with EQ despite all my problems with it in hopes that it would get better. I tend to just have a knack for these type of games, hence the high levels in rather short amount of time (I played less than 8 months. Compare that to the 7 years on a text only mud. Drop in the bucket.)
Quests in EQ are Fed-Ex quests. Go get this at point A (and always at point A) take it to person at B then maybe take something to C. Or gather several packages and make a delivery back to the requester. Now ok I can deal with that, it just doesn't act as a interest keeper. It becomes a means to an ends (getting stuff/xp/etc). However when you sit for hours trying to get X and find out it only spawns every 72 hours and that 3 guilds need it for their quest stuff... well excuse me but the sheer competition for that item makes it rather unfeasible to me. So ok I have a choice I can get item that I don't need and trade someone. Maybe, if the item isn't NODROP/NOTRADE/etc. That isn't questing. That is an exercise in patience. Which in itself is fine but after reading the third novel... well I was running out of books I really wanted to read. Time to move to a new game.
Now EQ did do some stuff that people have to give it credit for -however- they did lot of stuff wrong IMO. Eight months is a long time in terms of computer games to play same thing every night/every other nite. However its nothing when you compare it to the 7 years I spent on a text predessor to it (and let me be first to say the mud I play on... well the admins screw the pooch pretty damn often) which is pretty well run in comparison to EQ.
I had problems with the guides. I had problems with the camping. I had problems with being forced to rely on others for all item/xp gains as the levels went up. I had problems with quests. I had problems with the sheer volume of people in the small size area (and no I don't honestly believe that their "expansion" will fix that).
I was on one of the new servers. About 1500 per night peak. Waiting list of 18 people to join a group at every single location that my level could get Xps.
Enjoy it all you like but realize I have lot of valid reasons to never again buy their products.
I lasted as long as I did for a very basic reason: I refused to not give it a fair shake.
I played EQ for quite some time to 50th level character and 25th level character.
"Playing" is a misnomer. Its a job. An exercise in frustration. You have to sit for days to get a decent piece of equipment or buy it on Ebay. If you don't have that nice shiney equipment then people don't want you in their groups.
If their starwars is -anything- even remotely close to EQ it definitely isn't for me. I just have a bad time with any game where you sit for days waiting for an npc to spawn and still have to compete with 15 others to get that item. Or the joys of instantly dieing w/o any means of protecting yourself (Plane of Fear for example).
I cancelled my EQ account and swore hell would freeze over before I bought any game Veriant creates ever again.
Its still quite warm down there from what I've heard.
Ok now put down the flag for a second and join the rest of us in the modern era. Overhyped nationalism died a long time ago, just some apparently won't let it RIP.
Patents weren't meant to be a tool of world domination. They were meant to give a way to share ideas and concepts while not giving up all claim to something thus being able to sell and market that idea for a set period of time. What they have is a hold on the exact design. I can still make a transparent system w/o them being able to do anything. I can't make one that looks like their computers though and sell it without a license. Would be a derivitive work then.
Many patents are rather silly these days and have no bearing on reality other than someone trying to get rich quick off of pulling a fast one. That is why they get viewed a tad skeptically.
Also as a totally OT aside, don't knock the European nations all that much. They were here before us, they'll probably be around after us. Brightest flames burn out the quickest and the USA has definitely been a bonfire.
What makes this siutation interesting in two reguards is this:
First AMD now has corperate attentions. It produced the 1GHZ chip first. That demonstrates that it is a very serious player. My boss didn't know what AMD was a few weeks ago. He does now.
Second Intel is now having to dance to the beat of someone elses drum. How long has it been since they've had to do that?
I'm hoping AMD can keep this up. If they can I could be able to convince upper checksigners to start letting me put in AMD powered servers and such very soon. Trick is they have to keep delivering.
In reality it is really as safe as you care to make it.
Majority of the "security issues" come from mis-configured configuration files. There have been others issues of course but misconfiguration is one of the biggest.
Admittedly it takes a bit of time and effort to configure one correctly but from my experiance it is safer than my Exchange servers I run at work overall.
I don't really consider the situation over and 'won' until they -cannot- cross reference. At all. As long as they can legally do it they can just start any time and not inform people.
How would you go about proving they've started doing it? Short of sueing them every month to get court to give you access to their memo's etc. I can't see a way to so his words are just that... words. They're an attempt at a treaty that cannot be verified that all parties are playing fair.
I read though the article. Sounds like they are suspected (and there is evidence) of them using the software illegally.
They weren't arrested for just having the software, they were arrested for using it to break a network's security.
I think the blup on this one is -way- off. Now if I was picked up tomorrow by the FBI for having the software, but with no evidence or suspicison that I had used it illegally, then it would be absurd. However this situation would be more similar to me being arrested after having used, or suspected to have used, a tool to break into the company. Perfectly legit.
To complain that they are arresting someone for having the tool is not an accurate portrail of what is going on from what I've read.
Ok heres the deal: 1) If you have any shares active turn them off 2) Install a good firewall program that lets you restrict what ports people can come in on. 3) If you set up a web server be sure it is locked only to a certain directory and its sub directories. 4) If you run NT log into your own box with an account and remove the EVERYRONE right from the files/directories, replacing it with SYSTEM and ADMINISTRATOR group.
Those will help you at the least. Doesn't stop everything but does put a big crimp in it. What that oh so bright boy slade did was leave a share open as Everyone read (if not more in rights).
Note his ADSL line is apparently down right now... no response at that address. I think he's probably screaming bloody murder right now.
Bet it sucks to be a c00l d00d and get 0wn3d like that. He probably should just shoot himself. Talk about never being able to put ones handle in a chatroom again...
Let us take for granted that you're right that having the source equals supporting cheaters. I don't agree but I'll pass that one to you just for giggles.
I'd rather damn you and your game to oblivion under hoards of cheaters than to sacrifice every single GPL program ever written.
The license and what it stands for is greater than any one single entity. May JC take everything Slade owns.
Perhaps however he is using the term GodNet to encompass all religions. Many Wiccan and Satanic sites are exceptionally good reads (I'm partial towards the Wiccan sites myself, they seem to typically appeal to me more). So in the sense that the term is applying to all religions if one buys into his concept that there are distinct divisions then it is very much large enough to qualify.
Now as to if the internet can be split like that is kinda questionable. There are a lot of crossovers in my opinion. I see the direction he's viewing it but I'm not totally in agreeance.
Well lets be honest here I can't be pleased, hate paying for everything (some yes but not everything) and I'm as self righteous as it gets.
But frankly thats operating system independant. I'm just that way period. So are a lot of people.
I give the companies flak no matter what OS the game runs on if the game deserves flak (IMO). That is part of what they get to deal with being a company. However the payoff for pasting a smile on their faces and being accomadating on a few fronts has the potential to be big.
The trick is that they have to see success before they produce stuff for the OS. That is a bit of a chicken and egg situation. I think that they just have to bite the bullet and write off the cost as market expansion and do it for a dozen or so releases. If all of them bomb and don't break even then they can honestly say the OS can't support their market.
But I sure don't see the source code anywhere on their sites. I did see a free version of their search engine which I downloaded and took a look at. That didn't have the source code for sure.
So where is it? I'm getting the feeling that somewhere along the line something didn't get translated.
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There are tons of restrictions on using software from foreign countries in the US government. You just don't see it that often as there aren't that many major players who aren't inside the USA. The issue really comes home with firewall software as the DoD can't by regulation use Checkpoint since its an Israeli company, as one example.
We already watch the crack dealers. They're normally called Rappers but still basicly the same thing.
Hackers has already been done, several times in many different ways.
Phishers would be kinda neat to watch actually. Reading the responses they get could be interesting.
Anyways if you think about it, we already watch massive destruction and mayhem on TV. Mean really how many times has Toyko been blown to bits by monsters, evil people, and really big robots? Why not watch this too. If anything its tamer than most TV.
Yes. That and it proceeds to self destruct afterwards. Total wipeout with multiple passes after encrypting certain parts of the drive (in case the wipes are interrupted somehow). Since critical data is kept in multiple countries I can afford to have it destroy itself outright. It tries to send an SOS first but either way my setup will do its best to make itself pretty useless except for the hardware.
Because it gives Security Specialists like me an idea of what is being targeted. When you know the target you can take stronger steps to defend against it. We can only squeeze so much work out of the OS Admins at any given time. Means we have to pick and choose what level of patch speed we force since it's competeing against business decisions. If we know this week is IIS's week for new exploits, it gets the push. If its Apache it gets the push and the NT admins get the time to work on business stuff etc. Knowing what the trends are is very important. To do that you have to find a way to keep up with who got broken into. How better than to offer in return for the up to minute reporting from the people breaking the systems than to store their work for their egos. They'll bust the systems anyways so why hell not get some good out of it?
Actually a lot of places already ban netblocks just because of location. Most of the IPs in the Gaza strip/Palastine etc areas are blocked at numerous places for instance.
I know I don't think anything of whipping out a default drop on entire B class networks if they are owned in a country that the customers have little business with currently or are known for trouble (Pakistan for instance is really starting to find itself unwelcome in a lot of places).
There are social issues against doing this but frankly if a given area is known for fire, why play with it. Drop and forget, revist later if conditions improve. Case in point, B class network today in Russia just found itself permanently unwelcome at any of the sites for the company I'm with, and companies where I know friends. They're blocked in 12 B classes and a few C classes on the side now just from refusing to respond against one of their users lauching a hostile attack.
Ultimately the best solution is that the ISPs or uplinks for the areas take action against attacks but you try getting an internet cafe in the middle of the Gaza strip to block attacks against a jewish owned business. Go ahead, if you can manage it great. My only sucessful recourse has been to drop all incoming packets.
Depends a lot on how the IDS is configured. The software tends to gather reports in a set timeframe. An incident is whatever happens from a given source in that time. Be it 30 seconds or 30 days.
May seem a tad 'goofy' but if the same ip does one thing today then another 6 months from now is it one incident (same source) or two separate ones (time differential)? There isn't a definite line in the sand though stating exactly what the timeframes should be except each organizations security policy. This isn't as precise as nuclear science, yet. Give it a few years.
Well the logs aren't always "hacked". An IDS registers 'invalid' or otherwise 'potentially hostile' traffic.
Just because some kid set off my IDS scanning for SubSeven doesn't mean my site is vulnerable to SubSeven and doesn't mean it was hacked. Fact that they were probably scanning a Solaris system aside all it meant was that my IDS saw the traffic.
Thats what a lot of these are is that the IDS see's the traffic, either because it is in front of the firewall or the port was opened on the firewall and the IDS behind it saw the packet. What that database could do is show you what are the most common scans performed and what type of sites see what type of attacks.
AD&D and basic D&D if I recall right. Green slime was a creature in there that was resistant to certain attack forms.
You ever been to the official EQ boards recently?
"Your Rights Online" couldn't be a more correct titling for it.
Basicly what I'm expecting is for Verant to try to squeeze the emulation software out either by court or by technical (changing the formats of all the files etc). Either way it is in a way it censoring.
An extreme amount if they are also the security specialist. Even more so if they are good at multiple operating systems. Plus you get into the problem of how to justify their cost to management, along with the security software etc. It is an ongoing battle to basicly spend extreme sums of money on something that doesn't appear to add to the bottom line of the company.
The united states has only been around for 200 years. That isn't exactly standing the test of time. Call me again and tell me how its standing after a another 800 or so years and I'd consider that acceptable.
While it isn't politically correct to declare it the US -is- an elitist system where you practically buy your way into office. Masses are gullible and easily swayed into whatever mold someone wants them in.
As it stands today you might as well cut a good 50% of the US out of the voting process. Less than that go vote anyways. They've disenfrancised themselves either through ignorance, stupidity or simply not caring. Why waste time worrying about them?
The ability to be enfrancised should be avaliable to anyone but it doesn't have to be handed on a silver platter. I fully believe that the governmental process should go fully electronic. Voting and all. If people want a say they hook up with computers, go to a public library etc. If they don't want to deal with a computer then they choose to be disenfrancised. They can change that status any time they feel like it.
Actually I disagree with your example of what may need censoring. Nazi sites have as much right to espouse their views as any Christian, Democrat, Republican, Muslum, -insert religion/ political / fringe /mainstream group name here - as part of free speech. That their views are reprehensible to some should not be a factor to prevent their right to speak the views.
A better example would be things like child pornography, named death threats etc. However a strong case can be made that those can be handled as they pretty much are today with similar effectiveness.
No flame taken ;) I realize that is one of the first things anyone who still likes EQ would say. Almost word for word.
Now have to realize something about me... I played (and still play) the same text based mud after 7 years. Thats a long time. I don't burn out all that easily on stuff. I stayed with EQ despite all my problems with it in hopes that it would get better. I tend to just have a knack for these type of games, hence the high levels in rather short amount of time (I played less than 8 months. Compare that to the 7 years on a text only mud. Drop in the bucket.)
Quests in EQ are Fed-Ex quests. Go get this at point A (and always at point A) take it to person at B then maybe take something to C. Or gather several packages and make a delivery back to the requester. Now ok I can deal with that, it just doesn't act as a interest keeper. It becomes a means to an ends (getting stuff/xp/etc). However when you sit for hours trying to get X and find out it only spawns every 72 hours and that 3 guilds need it for their quest stuff... well excuse me but the sheer competition for that item makes it rather unfeasible to me. So ok I have a choice I can get item that I don't need and trade someone. Maybe, if the item isn't NODROP/NOTRADE/etc. That isn't questing. That is an exercise in patience. Which in itself is fine but after reading the third novel... well I was running out of books I really wanted to read. Time to move to a new game.
Now EQ did do some stuff that people have to give it credit for -however- they did lot of stuff wrong IMO. Eight months is a long time in terms of computer games to play same thing every night/every other nite. However its nothing when you compare it to the 7 years I spent on a text predessor to it (and let me be first to say the mud I play on... well the admins screw the pooch pretty damn often) which is pretty well run in comparison to EQ.
I had problems with the guides. I had problems with the camping. I had problems with being forced to rely on others for all item/xp gains as the levels went up. I had problems with quests. I had problems with the sheer volume of people in the small size area (and no I don't honestly believe that their "expansion" will fix that).
I was on one of the new servers. About 1500 per night peak. Waiting list of 18 people to join a group at every single location that my level could get Xps.
Enjoy it all you like but realize I have lot of valid reasons to never again buy their products.
I lasted as long as I did for a very basic reason: I refused to not give it a fair shake.
Not because I particularly liked those 8 months.
I played EQ for quite some time to 50th level character and 25th level character.
"Playing" is a misnomer. Its a job. An exercise in frustration. You have to sit for days to get a decent piece of equipment or buy it on Ebay. If you don't have that nice shiney equipment then people don't want you in their groups.
If their starwars is -anything- even remotely close to EQ it definitely isn't for me. I just have a bad time with any game where you sit for days waiting for an npc to spawn and still have to compete with 15 others to get that item. Or the joys of instantly dieing w/o any means of protecting yourself (Plane of Fear for example).
I cancelled my EQ account and swore hell would freeze over before I bought any game Veriant creates ever again.
Its still quite warm down there from what I've heard.
Ok now put down the flag for a second and join the rest of us in the modern era. Overhyped nationalism died a long time ago, just some apparently won't let it RIP.
Patents weren't meant to be a tool of world domination. They were meant to give a way to share ideas and concepts while not giving up all claim to something thus being able to sell and market that idea for a set period of time. What they have is a hold on the exact design. I can still make a transparent system w/o them being able to do anything. I can't make one that looks like their computers though and sell it without a license. Would be a derivitive work then.
Many patents are rather silly these days and have no bearing on reality other than someone trying to get rich quick off of pulling a fast one. That is why they get viewed a tad skeptically.
Also as a totally OT aside, don't knock the European nations all that much. They were here before us, they'll probably be around after us. Brightest flames burn out the quickest and the USA has definitely been a bonfire.
What makes this siutation interesting in two reguards is this:
First AMD now has corperate attentions. It produced the 1GHZ chip first. That demonstrates that it is a very serious player. My boss didn't know what AMD was a few weeks ago. He does now.
Second Intel is now having to dance to the beat of someone elses drum. How long has it been since they've had to do that?
I'm hoping AMD can keep this up. If they can I could be able to convince upper checksigners to start letting me put in AMD powered servers and such very soon. Trick is they have to keep delivering.
In reality it is really as safe as you care to make it.
Majority of the "security issues" come from mis-configured configuration files. There have been others issues of course but misconfiguration is one of the biggest.
Admittedly it takes a bit of time and effort to configure one correctly but from my experiance it is safer than my Exchange servers I run at work overall.
I don't really consider the situation over and 'won' until they -cannot- cross reference. At all. As long as they can legally do it they can just start any time and not inform people.
How would you go about proving they've started doing it? Short of sueing them every month to get court to give you access to their memo's etc. I can't see a way to so his words are just that... words. They're an attempt at a treaty that cannot be verified that all parties are playing fair.
I read though the article. Sounds like they are suspected (and there is evidence) of them using the software illegally.
They weren't arrested for just having the software, they were arrested for using it to break a network's security.
I think the blup on this one is -way- off. Now if I was picked up tomorrow by the FBI for having the software, but with no evidence or suspicison that I had used it illegally, then it would be absurd. However this situation would be more similar to me being arrested after having used, or suspected to have used, a tool to break into the company. Perfectly legit.
To complain that they are arresting someone for having the tool is not an accurate portrail of what is going on from what I've read.
Ok heres the deal:
1) If you have any shares active turn them off
2) Install a good firewall program that lets you restrict what ports people can come in on.
3) If you set up a web server be sure it is locked only to a certain directory and its sub directories.
4) If you run NT log into your own box with an account and remove the EVERYRONE right from the files/directories, replacing it with SYSTEM and ADMINISTRATOR group.
Those will help you at the least. Doesn't stop everything but does put a big crimp in it. What that oh so bright boy slade did was leave a share open as Everyone read (if not more in rights).
Note his ADSL line is apparently down right now... no response at that address. I think he's probably screaming bloody murder right now.
Bet it sucks to be a c00l d00d and get 0wn3d like that. He probably should just shoot himself. Talk about never being able to put ones handle in a chatroom again...
No, you overlook the most important aspect.
Let us take for granted that you're right that having the source equals supporting cheaters. I don't agree but I'll pass that one to you just for giggles.
I'd rather damn you and your game to oblivion under hoards of cheaters than to sacrifice every single GPL program ever written.
The license and what it stands for is greater than any one single entity. May JC take everything Slade owns.
Perhaps however he is using the term GodNet to encompass all religions. Many Wiccan and Satanic sites are exceptionally good reads (I'm partial towards the Wiccan sites myself, they seem to typically appeal to me more). So in the sense that the term is applying to all religions if one buys into his concept that there are distinct divisions then it is very much large enough to qualify.
Now as to if the internet can be split like that is kinda questionable. There are a lot of crossovers in my opinion. I see the direction he's viewing it but I'm not totally in agreeance.
I do believe we've slashdotted that server into oblivion.
:)
Hows that for a DOS attack kids? I'd say it was damn effective, not extra code attached
Guess I'll have to wait till this is old news before I can read it and decide if the author is cluess, stupid, bought off or reasonable for myself.
Well lets be honest here I can't be pleased, hate paying for everything (some yes but not everything) and I'm as self righteous as it gets.
But frankly thats operating system independant. I'm just that way period. So are a lot of people.
I give the companies flak no matter what OS the game runs on if the game deserves flak (IMO). That is part of what they get to deal with being a company. However the payoff for pasting a smile on their faces and being accomadating on a few fronts has the potential to be big.
The trick is that they have to see success before they produce stuff for the OS. That is a bit of a chicken and egg situation. I think that they just have to bite the bullet and write off the cost as market expansion and do it for a dozen or so releases. If all of them bomb and don't break even then they can honestly say the OS can't support their market.
But I sure don't see the source code anywhere on their sites. I did see a free version of their search engine which I downloaded and took a look at. That didn't have the source code for sure.
So where is it? I'm getting the feeling that somewhere along the line something didn't get translated.