Maybe CmdrTaco is was of those closet "naked and petrified" people...
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Amen! And now, because of her brave actions to boot those Yankees out of Canada, Laura Secord has a pudding named after her. I can't wait to become a national Canadian hero; I am hoping for something like a pizza or waffle named after me.
>Anyway, to the people who have problems with >moderation: if you don't like it, ignore it! >Nothing's forcing you to read all posts or even >to filter the level of posts that you see!
Yes, I agree. I leave my threshold on -1, because I want to see everything, from the Top Ten comments to the "Hey, I just poured hot grits...". If you don't like moderatation, don't use it. If my comments don't deserve the moderation, it will come out during meta-moderation.
Actually, I do use Outlook, IE 5.0 and Win98. On a K7-600MHz. Hate to burst any bubbles, but I has been *very* stable with me; uptimes for a week at least (then I have to reboot because I like to fiddle with das blinkenlights). And I test software for a living. But I don't use Active Desktop (shudder). As well, I do use Linux. I have compiled kernels, set up users, configured PPP peers using CHAP and CHAT(successfully, too!).
Actually, I haven't seen the "yada yada" on/. lately. My comment *was* a comment on the "quick, let's post a story on X, throw a couple buzz words around, and make people go ga-ga". The basis for the "yada-yada" was a joke I read on how to create a comp-science thesis paper that would get instant approval in 1997 (yada, yada, Java, yada, applets, yada yada, INTERNET!).
As for the accusation of Karma Whoredom, I will admit that I like the Karma my comments generate; I am a karma junkie. BUT: I don't post comments just to generate karma, everything I post is opinions I believe in; and I believe that when I post then, that they are making Slashdot a better place, either by being useful or funny. I DO NOT POST just to generate karma.
I have been reading/. since June of 1997. This site has given me a lot; in terms of information, opinion, self esteem, etc. I hope my comments are repayment for that boost. And I keep that in mind every time I post.
How about you? Why are you an AC? To paraphrase the CD I am listening to:
"Who are you, to criticise me? Who are you, to despise me? If your slate is clean, than you can throw stones. If your slate is not, than leave me alone!"
>And the Europeans didn't have to bring every >gram of their own oxygen, fuel, food, and water >with them to America or Australia
Actually, they did have to bring food, first in the form of consumables, then food that could be planted, grown, and harvested.
Assuming an enforced recycling plan, which includes water and oxygen recycling, along with extracting oxygen and hydrogen from the lunar/Martian soil, I think that the needs for air, oxygen, and food can be reduded.
>I still totally disagree with this idea. What's >easier, train an Air Force captain to survive on >Mars, or train a street peddler from Bangladesh?
Of course the captain is easier to train. But, historically, you always send in the military first, *then* send in the poor once the military have secured a base. The poor people then have to build the infrastructure to take a military output and transform it into a commercial/residental area. This is historical precedence, and I don't see any reason why this would change.
>Poor people will never leave Earth - once space >travel is cheap and easy enough for them to do >it, our space colonies will already have their >own poor people to worry about without importing >more.
Historically, you are wrong. Ukrainian, Polish, Russian, and German peasants settled much of the North American bread basket. They didn't have to afford to go (in most cases, they could not afford to go); the tickets (one-way, of course) were given to them, they were packed on a leaky ship, and tossed out the harbour. I wouldn't be surprised if this happened in the future, with space. Aside from Star Trek, I have yet to come across any science fiction works where the above isn't assumed and/or implemented. Okay, Joe Haldeman's "Forever War" doesn't, but that book only talks about the military aspect of space exploration.
As for your final point, I agree wholeheartedly with you. Baby steps on stepping stones.
>I guess this is why NASA is scouring prisons and >ghettos for astronaut candidates...
That's how England populated Australia. My point was that, historically, the first wave of settlers to a new land have always been the cast-offs, the criminals, the malcontents; the lower class. Look at the first people to settle the USA; not the highest cut of the European social fabric. The lower class people are the best candidates, because of the will to survive, the familiarity to living in the shadow of death. Of course, space is a little different from being deported to America, and the people will have to be trained, but the concept is still valid.
>Uhhh, yeah. Those two events are about exactly >the same. The Y2K problem took thirty years to >manifest itself, and the sun will go nova in >several million years. I don't think it's a real >pressing concern. Further, stars don't die >instantly. We'll have several hundred years of >warning that we're being evicted...
I agree with you one both points, that the sun won't die for a very long idea, we will have a ton of warning. But would you rather have a ton of research and experience manning inter-plantary/inter-stellar missions, or decide, at the last milllenium, "Shit! The Sun is DYING! QUICK, build that colony ship NOW!"
As well, I read once, that it would take 2 days to fully evacuate New York City in the event of a nuclear attack. And that was assuming fully cooperation (but feel free to dispute this, I can't prove it). Now, how long would it take to fully evacuate our solar system? State any assumptions needed to reach your conclusion (distance to off-system planet, carrying capacity of the ships, speed of the ships, number of ships).
>Have patience, people. Would you rather see >mankind settling Mars permanently, or another >Apollo-style one-off stunt?
Again, I agree with you. We need to establish a working (and profitable) lunar base first, then use it as a stepping stone to get to Mars. Then Europa, Titan....
1) New technology developped for the space program will filter into mainstream society. The amount of new technology we received from the Apollo missions has improved the lives of millions, probably a lot better than if we just give a huge welfare check to X. 2) Yes, as previoiusly stated, it's a great backup in case of something devastating earth. 3) Moving onto Mars puts us in the state of mind to move farther and farther away from the Earth successful. Care to put a estimate on how long the sun has left? And before you say, "We'll be off-planet *long before* the sun goes nova", remember: people said the same thing about Y2K ("the computers with be updated *long before* the year 2000 is reached").
But I understand the people who ask about today's problems, and why we should fix those problems first. IMO, those opinions are very valid. But, as expensive as establishing off planet bases seems, I think the resources going into the space program are not sufficent enough to fix those problems. IMO, those problems (world hunger, crime, etc) will *allways* be with us. It's a lousy opinion, but a true one.
Look at history. There was poor in Europe before Europeans decided to colonize and control the world, there were poor people in Europe *while* they colonized the world, and there are *still* poor people in Europe now, after they colonized the world. But guess what. Look at all the opportunities the New World (America/Australia) created for Europeans!
Space travel *is* a good thing for the lower classes of people. Again, look at history. Who do you think the people who settled America/Australia were? Upper class snobs? Hell no! You ship the lower class! If they die en route, or while building the infrastructure, you ship more! Space colonization will happen the same way.
Good points, thank you for the ideas. Again, my calculations were just put up to hopefully generate discussion.
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Why? I think it was one of the better first posts in a long time. Maybe you are just cranky from being up so late, and on a school night too! Naughty, naughty! Tomorrow, you can learn who the fork ran away with....
Well, this is bad, and it must be stopped. But how?
I am no Australian OR lawyer, but what *do* Australian laws say? How can Australians fight this?
As for us non-Australians, I guess we can do the following: 1) Boycott products of any International company that buys this information, or any company profitting from this (IE: Canadian company X has shares in Aussie company Y. Y buys the info. I boycott X). Make sure you state *why* you are boycotting the company. I can already start on the MS boycott:) 2) Make this public. Be loud about! This STINKS! Bad international press can cause a country to change for the better. 3) I wonder if lobbying to the UN can help. Maybe there is something in the UN charter that makes this illegal (is privacy a right declared by the UN?). International pressure has worked before (South Africa?).
Why? Water has *so* many advantages over any other substance know to man for the creation of life.
1) It's the nearest thing we have to a universal solvent. A lot of single celled organisms acquire the things they need to survive from what is dissolved in water (hell, even fish need the dissolved oxygen to breath). 2) Water is chemically very stable. Such stability is necessary to prevent it from interfering in the complex chemical processes that create life (like, for example, Hydrogen Cyanide) 3) Water is one of the few substances that expands as a solid; that's why ice floats. If this wasn't true, eventually, the oceans would freeze over, as more solid ice kept sinking to the ocean bottom. Of course, some water would remain as a liquid on top, and by tectonic heat, but it would be marginal.
I hope this answers your question. You have a good point (why is water important for life?), but IMO, water is a necessity for life.
First off, this is very big news! This could be the first step in moving the human race off-system and into the stars!
But then, *how* should be we use this knowledge?
Of course, we should gather as much information about these planets as possible. At first, all we can do is observe them from afar.
However, eventually, we have send probes. If we send them now, how long will it take before they get there? What should we expect to find? Hell, how should we build/equip the probes?
Then a manned trip. Who here wants to bet we can achieve some sort of faster than light (FTL) drive before the probes reach there destination? What about sending a cryo-frozen colony ship (boy, what an original idea, I should patent that one...)?
Just some random thoughts/questions, hopefully to stir a bit of discussion.
Lot's of motherboards out now. I got mine here, and they did a great job with everything. But anywhere you look, on the web, should have them.
Generally, the MicroStar, the Fester (from AMD), and the ASUS are considered pretty decent. Main problem with the ASUS is that it isn't supported very well (the American webpage has NOTHING on it about the K7M, only the Taiwan page has info on it). I have heard that the FIC board (SD-11) was just a prototype board that was pushed into production because AMD needed the boards.
As for finding the boards, I haven't had a problem.
You are probably right, I did want to do calculations about the force and/or energy need to knock an asteriod out of orbit (a la two-dimesional collisions of non-elastic bodies), but halfway through my calculation, I thought I should clarify where the asteroid would start being affected by planetary gravitation. Oh well, it was good to practice my old 1st year physics again.
Sorry to deride you; I mean, you are backing AMD in your own way. And that's good. But my view is that the best way to back AMD is the way I did, with my wallet. I have bought not one but two processors for the my home computer from them. My first was the AMD K6-2, 300MHz (and it was *so* sweet, what an upgrade from the DX-4 100MHz Cyrix....), and just recently, a K7-600MHz (with a ASUS K7M motherboard). It is a very nice system.
So, I hope I haven't insulted you, and I am glad you are spreading the good Athlon word. I just think that the best method is to *buy* AMD, and not just spread the word.
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Maybe CmdrTaco is was of those closet "naked and petrified" people...
Disclaimer: post off-topic to Wearable Linux Computers, on topic to CmdrTaco's comments about said Wearable Linux Computer and to the thread. Offer void in Utah. Must be legal age of majority to read above comment. Above comment does NOT reflect the opinions of my employers or the company I work for.
Amen! And now, because of her brave actions to boot those Yankees out of Canada, Laura Secord has a pudding named after her. I can't wait to become a national Canadian hero; I am hoping for something like a pizza or waffle named after me.
"To go to college you must be intelligent."
Boy, I wish they would enforce this in Canada! I sign off on it!
I guess they forgot "Cracking a national bank is punishable by death, unless you turn your brother in."
>DoomHaven's listening to Jesus Christ Superstar
Correct!
>Damn good musical.
Correct!
>Anyway, to the people who have problems with
>moderation: if you don't like it, ignore it!
>Nothing's forcing you to read all posts or even
>to filter the level of posts that you see!
Yes, I agree. I leave my threshold on -1, because I want to see everything, from the Top Ten comments to the "Hey, I just poured hot grits...". If you don't like moderatation, don't use it. If my comments don't deserve the moderation, it will come out during meta-moderation.
Actually, I do use Outlook, IE 5.0 and Win98. On a K7-600MHz. Hate to burst any bubbles, but I has been *very* stable with me; uptimes for a week at least (then I have to reboot because I like to fiddle with das blinkenlights). And I test software for a living. But I don't use Active Desktop (shudder). As well, I do use Linux. I have compiled kernels, set up users, configured PPP peers using CHAP and CHAT(successfully, too!).
/. lately. My comment *was* a comment on the "quick, let's post a story on X, throw a couple buzz words around, and make people go ga-ga". The basis for the "yada-yada" was a joke I read on how to create a comp-science thesis paper that would get instant approval in 1997 (yada, yada, Java, yada, applets, yada yada, INTERNET!).
/. since June of 1997. This site has given me a lot; in terms of information, opinion, self esteem, etc. I hope my comments are repayment for that boost. And I keep that in mind every time I post.
Actually, I haven't seen the "yada yada" on
As for the accusation of Karma Whoredom, I will admit that I like the Karma my comments generate; I am a karma junkie. BUT: I don't post comments just to generate karma, everything I post is opinions I believe in; and I believe that when I post then, that they are making Slashdot a better place, either by being useful or funny. I DO NOT POST just to generate karma.
I have been reading
How about you? Why are you an AC? To paraphrase the CD I am listening to:
"Who are you, to criticise me? Who are you, to despise me? If your slate is clean, than you can throw stones. If your slate is not, than leave me alone!"
here is a brief summary.
Yada, yada, yada, Silicon-On-Insulators, yada, yada, yada, Moore Law's, yada, yada, yada, still valid, yada, despite what the cynics say, yada, yada, copper instead of aluminum, yada, Moore's Law, yada, yada.
>And the Europeans didn't have to bring every
>gram of their own oxygen, fuel, food, and water
>with them to America or Australia
Actually, they did have to bring food, first in the form of consumables, then food that could be planted, grown, and harvested.
Assuming an enforced recycling plan, which includes water and oxygen recycling, along with extracting oxygen and hydrogen from the lunar/Martian soil, I think that the needs for air, oxygen, and food can be reduded.
>I still totally disagree with this idea. What's
>easier, train an Air Force captain to survive on
>Mars, or train a street peddler from Bangladesh?
Of course the captain is easier to train. But, historically, you always send in the military first, *then* send in the poor once the military have secured a base. The poor people then have to build the infrastructure to take a military output and transform it into a commercial/residental area. This is historical precedence, and I don't see any reason why this would change.
>Poor people will never leave Earth - once space
>travel is cheap and easy enough for them to do
>it, our space colonies will already have their
>own poor people to worry about without importing
>more.
Historically, you are wrong. Ukrainian, Polish, Russian, and German peasants settled much of the North American bread basket. They didn't have to afford to go (in most cases, they could not afford to go); the tickets (one-way, of course) were given to them, they were packed on a leaky ship, and tossed out the harbour. I wouldn't be surprised if this happened in the future, with space. Aside from Star Trek, I have yet to come across any science fiction works where the above isn't assumed and/or implemented. Okay, Joe Haldeman's "Forever War" doesn't, but that book only talks about the military aspect of space exploration.
As for your final point, I agree wholeheartedly with you. Baby steps on stepping stones.
>I guess this is why NASA is scouring prisons and
>ghettos for astronaut candidates...
That's how England populated Australia. My point was that, historically, the first wave of settlers to a new land have always been the cast-offs, the criminals, the malcontents; the lower class. Look at the first people to settle the USA; not the highest cut of the European social fabric. The lower class people are the best candidates, because of the will to survive, the familiarity to living in the shadow of death. Of course, space is a little different from being deported to America, and the people will have to be trained, but the concept is still valid.
>Uhhh, yeah. Those two events are about exactly
>the same. The Y2K problem took thirty years to
>manifest itself, and the sun will go nova in
>several million years. I don't think it's a real
>pressing concern. Further, stars don't die
>instantly. We'll have several hundred years of
>warning that we're being evicted...
I agree with you one both points, that the sun won't die for a very long idea, we will have a ton of warning. But would you rather have a ton of research and experience manning inter-plantary/inter-stellar missions, or decide, at the last milllenium, "Shit! The Sun is DYING! QUICK, build that colony ship NOW!"
As well, I read once, that it would take 2 days to fully evacuate New York City in the event of a nuclear attack. And that was assuming fully cooperation (but feel free to dispute this, I can't prove it). Now, how long would it take to fully evacuate our solar system? State any assumptions needed to reach your conclusion (distance to off-system planet, carrying capacity of the ships, speed of the ships, number of ships).
>Have patience, people. Would you rather see
>mankind settling Mars permanently, or another
>Apollo-style one-off stunt?
Again, I agree with you. We need to establish a working (and profitable) lunar base first, then use it as a stepping stone to get to Mars. Then Europa, Titan....
1) New technology developped for the space program will filter into mainstream society. The amount of new technology we received from the Apollo missions has improved the lives of millions, probably a lot better than if we just give a huge welfare check to X.
2) Yes, as previoiusly stated, it's a great backup in case of something devastating earth.
3) Moving onto Mars puts us in the state of mind to move farther and farther away from the Earth successful. Care to put a estimate on how long the sun has left? And before you say, "We'll be off-planet *long before* the sun goes nova", remember: people said the same thing about Y2K ("the computers with be updated *long before* the year 2000 is reached").
But I understand the people who ask about today's problems, and why we should fix those problems first. IMO, those opinions are very valid. But, as expensive as establishing off planet bases seems, I think the resources going into the space program are not sufficent enough to fix those problems. IMO, those problems (world hunger, crime, etc) will *allways* be with us. It's a lousy opinion, but a true one.
Look at history. There was poor in Europe before Europeans decided to colonize and control the world, there were poor people in Europe *while* they colonized the world, and there are *still* poor people in Europe now, after they colonized the world. But guess what. Look at all the opportunities the New World (America/Australia) created for Europeans!
Space travel *is* a good thing for the lower classes of people. Again, look at history. Who do you think the people who settled America/Australia were? Upper class snobs? Hell no! You ship the lower class! If they die en route, or while building the infrastructure, you ship more! Space colonization will happen the same way.
ROTFLOL! Kudos!
Thanks, after reading that article, I needed that.
It's a shame you got moderated down; I thought this was damn funny.
If so, he should "refrain" from doing it, because I lost interest after the 3 iteration.
Good points, thank you for the ideas. Again, my calculations were just put up to hopefully generate discussion.
Why? I think it was one of the better first posts in a long time. Maybe you are just cranky from being up so late, and on a school night too! Naughty, naughty! Tomorrow, you can learn who the fork ran away with....
Well, this is bad, and it must be stopped. But how?
:)
I am no Australian OR lawyer, but what *do* Australian laws say? How can Australians fight this?
As for us non-Australians, I guess we can do the following:
1) Boycott products of any International company that buys this information, or any company profitting from this (IE: Canadian company X has shares in Aussie company Y. Y buys the info. I boycott X). Make sure you state *why* you are boycotting the company. I can already start on the MS boycott
2) Make this public. Be loud about! This STINKS! Bad international press can cause a country to change for the better.
3) I wonder if lobbying to the UN can help. Maybe there is something in the UN charter that makes this illegal (is privacy a right declared by the UN?). International pressure has worked before (South Africa?).
Commencing "bowing down in respect" manouevre on my mark...Mark!
Dust blows in the wind, rest assured. Does that make it alive?
"be its intention to burn"
I would *hate* to try to prove this, esp. in a court of law.
"But Your Honor, *I* didn't burn the house down, The Fire did!"
Good point on your last line, though. I fully agree with your there.
I like your answer better than mine. Moderate xiphos up!
I believe it's because fire doesn't react to external stimuli, or has a preservation instinct.
Why? Water has *so* many advantages over any other substance know to man for the creation of life.
1) It's the nearest thing we have to a universal solvent. A lot of single celled organisms acquire the things they need to survive from what is dissolved in water (hell, even fish need the dissolved oxygen to breath).
2) Water is chemically very stable. Such stability is necessary to prevent it from interfering in the complex chemical processes that create life (like, for example, Hydrogen Cyanide)
3) Water is one of the few substances that expands as a solid; that's why ice floats. If this wasn't true, eventually, the oceans would freeze over, as more solid ice kept sinking to the ocean bottom. Of course, some water would remain as a liquid on top, and by tectonic heat, but it would be marginal.
I hope this answers your question. You have a good point (why is water important for life?), but IMO, water is a necessity for life.
goo Slashdot, goo spam, goo Monty Python, goo Swedish Chefs (goo-de the goo-de-goo). Yep, I can see it.
we have to try to reach them.
First off, this is very big news! This could be the first step in moving the human race off-system and into the stars!
But then, *how* should be we use this knowledge?
Of course, we should gather as much information about these planets as possible. At first, all we can do is observe them from afar.
However, eventually, we have send probes. If we send them now, how long will it take before they get there? What should we expect to find? Hell, how should we build/equip the probes?
Then a manned trip. Who here wants to bet we can achieve some sort of faster than light (FTL) drive before the probes reach there destination? What about sending a cryo-frozen colony ship (boy, what an original idea, I should patent that one...)?
Just some random thoughts/questions, hopefully to stir a bit of discussion.
Lot's of motherboards out now. I got mine here, and they did a great job with everything. But anywhere you look, on the web, should have them.
Generally, the MicroStar, the Fester (from AMD), and the ASUS are considered pretty decent. Main problem with the ASUS is that it isn't supported very well (the American webpage has NOTHING on it about the K7M, only the Taiwan page has info on it). I have heard that the FIC board (SD-11) was just a prototype board that was pushed into production because AMD needed the boards.
As for finding the boards, I haven't had a problem.
You are probably right, I did want to do calculations about the force and/or energy need to knock an asteriod out of orbit (a la two-dimesional collisions of non-elastic bodies), but halfway through my calculation, I thought I should clarify where the asteroid would start being affected by planetary gravitation. Oh well, it was good to practice my old 1st year physics again.
Sorry to deride you; I mean, you are backing AMD in your own way. And that's good. But my view is that the best way to back AMD is the way I did, with my wallet. I have bought not one but two processors for the my home computer from them. My first was the AMD K6-2, 300MHz (and it was *so* sweet, what an upgrade from the DX-4 100MHz Cyrix....), and just recently, a K7-600MHz (with a ASUS K7M motherboard). It is a very nice system.
So, I hope I haven't insulted you, and I am glad you are spreading the good Athlon word. I just think that the best method is to *buy* AMD, and not just spread the word.