It's too sad when it's impossible to distinguish extremist satire from the real thing. It's double sad, because my satire was quite level headed compared to some conspiracist rants I've seen.
You were attempting to draw a distinction between the analogy of PPM and God. Neither are science.
Except that PPM believers (and Trutherism, creationism, etc) CLAIM it is science. They go to great lengths to put on airs of scientific and logical respectibility.
Swarms are smart? Hah! While they may have emergent behaviors, they are no smarter than their members. I'm wracking my brain trying to think of an example, but there are none. Fish swarm? Dumb. Ant trail? Dumb. Flock of geese? Dumb. Swarm of bees? Dumb. In fact, single bees appear to be much more intelligent than bee swarms.
I believe in God. The difference with PPM, however, is that I know my belief in God is based on faith. I don't claim it is science. God is simply outside the realm of science and the observable material universe. Obviously, I am not a creationist. Creationists make the mistake of pretending their faith is not faith, but science.
There's not much difference between creationists and PPM believers (and Truthers, for that matter). They are wrapping their faith in a blanket of pseudo-science. Like creationists, you will NEVER dissuade them from their belief.
In my experience if something seems too good to be true it generally is. I wouldn't get your hopes up.
What? Are you telling us to be skeptical? Shame on you! Who is paying you to hold back this technology! You've seen it and you still tell people don't "get you hopes up!" Do you have no principles! This is free energy man! It will get us off of Big Cheney's Big Oil Buddy's big oil industry! Cheney's been around for decades, making sure we never get free energy! Even Ayn Rand wrote about free energy. She believed it! Read her documentary work, "Atlas Shrubs". I once new a guy that had a machine that would replace the internal combustion engine with a hypervoltaic carbeurtor that would run on plain tap water! But Cheney stopped him! Forced him to file bankruptcy!
How much did Cheney pay you? Bush will not leave office, because Cheney will assassinate him. He will assassinate anyone who is behind free energy. Bush knows about free energy, and is about to sign executive order 1289 abolishing the big oil industry and giving free energy to everyone. But Cheney won't let him! Someone stop this!
It was Cheney and his Hallibuddies that blew up the World Trade Center! He personally fired a missile into the Pentagon to try to kill Rumsfield, but he missed! It's all true. It's all documented! All of the debunkers have been debunked, and those debunkers debunked, until we are left with the TRUTH! I heard it all on Alex Jones show. Cheney sacrifices little children at the Bohemian Grove and Bill maher watches! Alex Jones took an helicopter up and discovered aluminimum oxites so that proves that Cnehey will kill free energy.
The internal comubustion engine is UNCONSTITUTIONAL! There was a secret meeting in 1914 at Hyde Island where the oil men got together with the bankers and outlawed free engergy! this nation was founcted on freedom and we don';t have free engtery! This nation is not a corporation like they told you in the zionists schools its a sovereign confederations of colonies, and if you cross out the words "frederal reserve" on your dollar bills you will be free!
FREE ENERGY TO THE PEOPLE THE REVOLUTION STARTS NOW!!! DOWN TO THE LYING LAPDOGS OF LIBBY SLASHDOT!
So how is my post? Did I get the right amount of paranoia, spittle and spelling errors? Do you think the Truthers will finally let me into their club?
The GPL is not the honor system. When you go to a dance, and there's a can by the door saying "$10, on your honor", you will note that it does NOT add "or we will sue".
If you want the honor system, then make it a true honor system. Use an unrestricted license (just to keep your warranty disclaimer attached), and add a note that says "please". No need to threaten people with attorneys.
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Then release them under a simple all-permissive license! Think about it. Don't put it under the GPLv3 if you're not planning on suing the shit out of people who "exploit" the code on the tee-shirt.
I would say the same about many larger pieces of software as well. GPLv2 and v3 are legal clubs you use to whack people over the head. They may not have rusty nails in them like a Microsoft EULA, but they are still clubs. If you have no intention of suing people over possible misuse of your code, then use an unrestricted license.
Absolutely! I'll go further and state that their campaign committees don't have a clue either. The deciding factor is not what OS they like, but how they choose their hosting company.
You've hit upon an ironic truth. A favorite government pastime is ass covering. Something bad happens and everyone inside the beltway scrambles cover their butts.
The government didn't cover up their complicity of 9/11, they covered up their inept response to it.
So you're saying that proof of 9/11 Conpsiracy is that the Manhattan Project was kept secret? The current 9/11 conspiracy theory posits and extremely convoluted and elaborate
I've worked at two national labs. Hanford was not kept secret. It was impossible to keep it a secret. A whole town was evacuated, and everyone in half the state of Washington knew the military was doing something there. To a lesser extent, the same applied to Los Alamos. Again, people in Santa Fe knew something was going on up there.
In 1944 we were at war. People kept military secrets because we were at war (my how times have changed). What is today's excuse for thousands of firefighters, police officers, air traffic controllers, NIST investigators, Manhattan witnesses not just to clam up, but to outright lie? 9/11 Truth is an phantasm of a mistaken worldview.
So when these CIA papers don't show any solid evidence that 9/11 was an inside job, will you claim that as solid evidence that they're still covering it up? A scientific theory is one that has falsifiability. A conspiracy theory is one that rejects all falsifiability, picks and chooses the "facts" it will use, and rejects all other evidence.
I'm supposed to believe that this government is competent enough to pull off history's most convoluted conspiracy to get us into Iraq, yet so bloody inept they can't even manage to plant some WMDs? Give me a break!
Mandatory reading for all those history-challenged individuals who believe government knows best!
Also mandatory reading for those conspiracists among you. While you do not believe that goverment knows best, you do believe that government has super-human powers of secrecy, competency and planning. Did the CIA assassinate Kennedy? Did they shoot Reagan to keep him in line? Was the moonshot faked? Was 9/11 and inside job?
There will be lots of eyebrow-raising information in this collection, but none of it will help the conspiracists. They'll just claim more of the same coverup when they don't find their smoking gun.
In any case, Apple's "complete and comprehensive set of system libraries" fit easily on a 160 MB HD back in the day with over 100 MB to spare, so I think you're vastly over-estimating how much disk space is taken up by code libraries.
Ditto for Linux system libraries, all the way up to and including both KDE and GNOME. That's not the problem. The problem is with these numbnuts wanting to make every application a bundle that duplicates this 160MB.
Package management is a different, but equally valid, way of doing things. I've not run PC-BSD yet, but under FreeBSD all my dependencies are managed for me.
Those Mac app bundles did NOT include every possible dependency. That's because they have a complete and comprehensive set of system libraries. That's why it was cheap for Apple to do. Go read the rest of my comment.
It's only been recently that hard drive capacity has been cheap enough to afford the many gigabytes of redundant libraries.
But even Mac OS X doesn't make apps ship with every possible library. There are SYSTEM libraries, which on Mac, includes nearly everything you need. In Unix terms, it's like including all of the KDE and GNOME libraries as part of the system, so you don't have to replicate them. I don't know if PC-BSD does that or not, but if they don't, they should.
Including all of X.org and the kde or gnome libs in every single application bundle would cost an horrendous amount of disk space.
So it follows that "incompatible dependencies" is an issue of the package management system and nothing else.
For the most part, yes. This is why so many people are disgusted with RPM based distros. But it's not the packages' fault. The package managers just don't have the "intelligence" to figure out compatibilities. But even if they did, you're going to run across libraries that break the compatibility rules on a frequent and recurring basis. Like glibc...
The systems that are best at not forcing you to upgrade all your dependencies are the source based systems, like Gentoo and most BSDs. That's because most configure scripts can figure this stuff out at build time.
Yup. I can't stand people who think we live in the worst of all possible times. We are so much better off in nearly every measure from out great reat grandparents, that's it sounds like whininess to complain of our lot in life.
We've got a long ways to go, and we frequently take a lot of backward steps, but overall I would much rather be living today than a century ago.
This is absurd. Both the copyrights and the patents expired a long time ago.
That doesn't matter, because we're not talking about copyrights or patents here. We're talking about licenses. Modern courts have decreed that license agreements are contracts, even if you do not agree to them. By playing that phonograph, you have unwittingly entered into a contract with RCA Victor. It's no different than doing an automated install of software.
If copyrights were abolished today, nothing in the software world would change, as all proprietary (and most open source) software have license agreements. They're not based on copyrights;.
I agree. Unless they're deliberately dropping other folk's emails, I don't see the problem here.
Slashdot geeks are too obsessed with everyone having utterly identical outcomes. "You can't guarantee their email for a fee!", they sputter, "unless you guarantee mine will get through as well, for free!"
The problem with CVS and Subversion are one of fundamental design. At least, that is what Linus is suggesting. You can't fix them without rewriting them completely from the ground up.
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It's too sad when it's impossible to distinguish extremist satire from the real thing. It's double sad, because my satire was quite level headed compared to some conspiracist rants I've seen.
You were attempting to draw a distinction between the analogy of PPM and God. Neither are science.
Except that PPM believers (and Trutherism, creationism, etc) CLAIM it is science. They go to great lengths to put on airs of scientific and logical respectibility.
Swarms are smart? Hah! While they may have emergent behaviors, they are no smarter than their members. I'm wracking my brain trying to think of an example, but there are none. Fish swarm? Dumb. Ant trail? Dumb. Flock of geese? Dumb. Swarm of bees? Dumb. In fact, single bees appear to be much more intelligent than bee swarms.
PPM are not science.
Yes, that is my point. Glad you finally discovered it among you snarkery.
I believe in God. The difference with PPM, however, is that I know my belief in God is based on faith. I don't claim it is science. God is simply outside the realm of science and the observable material universe. Obviously, I am not a creationist. Creationists make the mistake of pretending their faith is not faith, but science.
There's not much difference between creationists and PPM believers (and Truthers, for that matter). They are wrapping their faith in a blanket of pseudo-science. Like creationists, you will NEVER dissuade them from their belief.
In my experience if something seems too good to be true it generally is. I wouldn't get your hopes up.
What? Are you telling us to be skeptical? Shame on you! Who is paying you to hold back this technology! You've seen it and you still tell people don't "get you hopes up!" Do you have no principles! This is free energy man! It will get us off of Big Cheney's Big Oil Buddy's big oil industry! Cheney's been around for decades, making sure we never get free energy! Even Ayn Rand wrote about free energy. She believed it! Read her documentary work, "Atlas Shrubs". I once new a guy that had a machine that would replace the internal combustion engine with a hypervoltaic carbeurtor that would run on plain tap water! But Cheney stopped him! Forced him to file bankruptcy!
How much did Cheney pay you? Bush will not leave office, because Cheney will assassinate him. He will assassinate anyone who is behind free energy. Bush knows about free energy, and is about to sign executive order 1289 abolishing the big oil industry and giving free energy to everyone. But Cheney won't let him! Someone stop this!
It was Cheney and his Hallibuddies that blew up the World Trade Center! He personally fired a missile into the Pentagon to try to kill Rumsfield, but he missed! It's all true. It's all documented! All of the debunkers have been debunked, and those debunkers debunked, until we are left with the TRUTH! I heard it all on Alex Jones show. Cheney sacrifices little children at the Bohemian Grove and Bill maher watches! Alex Jones took an helicopter up and discovered aluminimum oxites so that proves that Cnehey will kill free energy.
The internal comubustion engine is UNCONSTITUTIONAL! There was a secret meeting in 1914 at Hyde Island where the oil men got together with the bankers and outlawed free engergy! this nation was founcted on freedom and we don';t have free engtery! This nation is not a corporation like they told you in the zionists schools its a sovereign confederations of colonies, and if you cross out the words "frederal reserve" on your dollar bills you will be free!
FREE ENERGY TO THE PEOPLE THE REVOLUTION STARTS NOW!!! DOWN TO THE LYING LAPDOGS OF LIBBY SLASHDOT!
So how is my post? Did I get the right amount of paranoia, spittle and spelling errors? Do you think the Truthers will finally let me into their club?
The GPL is not the honor system. When you go to a dance, and there's a can by the door saying "$10, on your honor", you will note that it does NOT add "or we will sue".
If you want the honor system, then make it a true honor system. Use an unrestricted license (just to keep your warranty disclaimer attached), and add a note that says "please". No need to threaten people with attorneys.
Then release them under a simple all-permissive license! Think about it. Don't put it under the GPLv3 if you're not planning on suing the shit out of people who "exploit" the code on the tee-shirt.
I would say the same about many larger pieces of software as well. GPLv2 and v3 are legal clubs you use to whack people over the head. They may not have rusty nails in them like a Microsoft EULA, but they are still clubs. If you have no intention of suing people over possible misuse of your code, then use an unrestricted license.
It's Redhat and not my beloved FreeBSD, but I won't hold that against him.
Republicans are rich and Democrats are not (except Hilliary)
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Except Obama... and Edwards... and Gore...
Absolutely! I'll go further and state that their campaign committees don't have a clue either. The deciding factor is not what OS they like, but how they choose their hosting company.
Never dodged any draft, but served as a flight surgeon for the air force.
You've hit upon an ironic truth. A favorite government pastime is ass covering. Something bad happens and everyone inside the beltway scrambles cover their butts.
The government didn't cover up their complicity of 9/11, they covered up their inept response to it.
So you're saying that proof of 9/11 Conpsiracy is that the Manhattan Project was kept secret? The current 9/11 conspiracy theory posits and extremely convoluted and elaborate
I've worked at two national labs. Hanford was not kept secret. It was impossible to keep it a secret. A whole town was evacuated, and everyone in half the state of Washington knew the military was doing something there. To a lesser extent, the same applied to Los Alamos. Again, people in Santa Fe knew something was going on up there.
In 1944 we were at war. People kept military secrets because we were at war (my how times have changed). What is today's excuse for thousands of firefighters, police officers, air traffic controllers, NIST investigators, Manhattan witnesses not just to clam up, but to outright lie? 9/11 Truth is an phantasm of a mistaken worldview.
So when these CIA papers don't show any solid evidence that 9/11 was an inside job, will you claim that as solid evidence that they're still covering it up? A scientific theory is one that has falsifiability. A conspiracy theory is one that rejects all falsifiability, picks and chooses the "facts" it will use, and rejects all other evidence.
I'm supposed to believe that this government is competent enough to pull off history's most convoluted conspiracy to get us into Iraq, yet so bloody inept they can't even manage to plant some WMDs? Give me a break!
Mandatory reading for all those history-challenged individuals who believe government knows best!
Also mandatory reading for those conspiracists among you. While you do not believe that goverment knows best, you do believe that government has super-human powers of secrecy, competency and planning. Did the CIA assassinate Kennedy? Did they shoot Reagan to keep him in line? Was the moonshot faked? Was 9/11 and inside job?
There will be lots of eyebrow-raising information in this collection, but none of it will help the conspiracists. They'll just claim more of the same coverup when they don't find their smoking gun.
In any case, Apple's "complete and comprehensive set of system libraries" fit easily on a 160 MB HD back in the day with over 100 MB to spare, so I think you're vastly over-estimating how much disk space is taken up by code libraries.
Ditto for Linux system libraries, all the way up to and including both KDE and GNOME. That's not the problem. The problem is with these numbnuts wanting to make every application a bundle that duplicates this 160MB.
Package management is a different, but equally valid, way of doing things. I've not run PC-BSD yet, but under FreeBSD all my dependencies are managed for me.
Those Mac app bundles did NOT include every possible dependency. That's because they have a complete and comprehensive set of system libraries. That's why it was cheap for Apple to do. Go read the rest of my comment.
It's only been recently that hard drive capacity has been cheap enough to afford the many gigabytes of redundant libraries.
But even Mac OS X doesn't make apps ship with every possible library. There are SYSTEM libraries, which on Mac, includes nearly everything you need. In Unix terms, it's like including all of the KDE and GNOME libraries as part of the system, so you don't have to replicate them. I don't know if PC-BSD does that or not, but if they don't, they should.
Including all of X.org and the kde or gnome libs in every single application bundle would cost an horrendous amount of disk space.
So it follows that "incompatible dependencies" is an issue of the package management system and nothing else.
For the most part, yes. This is why so many people are disgusted with RPM based distros. But it's not the packages' fault. The package managers just don't have the "intelligence" to figure out compatibilities. But even if they did, you're going to run across libraries that break the compatibility rules on a frequent and recurring basis. Like glibc...
The systems that are best at not forcing you to upgrade all your dependencies are the source based systems, like Gentoo and most BSDs. That's because most configure scripts can figure this stuff out at build time.
Yup. I can't stand people who think we live in the worst of all possible times. We are so much better off in nearly every measure from out great reat grandparents, that's it sounds like whininess to complain of our lot in life.
We've got a long ways to go, and we frequently take a lot of backward steps, but overall I would much rather be living today than a century ago.
This is absurd. Both the copyrights and the patents expired a long time ago.
That doesn't matter, because we're not talking about copyrights or patents here. We're talking about licenses. Modern courts have decreed that license agreements are contracts, even if you do not agree to them. By playing that phonograph, you have unwittingly entered into a contract with RCA Victor. It's no different than doing an automated install of software.
If copyrights were abolished today, nothing in the software world would change, as all proprietary (and most open source) software have license agreements. They're not based on copyrights;.
I agree. Unless they're deliberately dropping other folk's emails, I don't see the problem here.
Slashdot geeks are too obsessed with everyone having utterly identical outcomes. "You can't guarantee their email for a fee!", they sputter, "unless you guarantee mine will get through as well, for free!"
I don't think there is anything especially wrong with Subversion.
I don't either. But Linus does. I was just telling the grandparent why his suggestion that Linus go and "fix" it himself doesn't work.
The problem with CVS and Subversion are one of fundamental design. At least, that is what Linus is suggesting. You can't fix them without rewriting them completely from the ground up.