Provide a permissive license and expecting everything to be returned to you is contradictory to the very license you've chose.
First, it's rude. You don't deny a derivative work to the original author. Second, it's ilelgal. You may not file off someone's license just because you disagree with it. A few Linux developers have demonstrated that they're rude scofflaws.
It seems to me that some Linux developers want to deny derivative works to the original authors. I guess they think that their not a part of a community, but a members-only club, and damn anyone not using the home team kernel.
There once was a fabulous apple tree. No matter how many apples one would take from it, there were just as many as before! When this was heard by the villagers they all rushed to the apple tree and took apples. But no matter how many they took, there were just as many apples as before. But some of them came and took apples and locked them within a chest, so that none could steal them. And they laughed at the other villagers, saying, "Look, they do not protect their apples. Surely a thief will come and steal them."
As one of the "BSD-style folk. I have to pronounce your characterization to be wrong. Some of us do worry about goals, but the vast majority of us just want our software to be free. That's all.
That's "free" as in the dictionary definition: unencumbered by restrictions. It's not political, not social. It's not about end users versus programmers. Just plain old fashioned freedom. Here's some software, come and enjoy, no strings attached.
Yelled while pounding my desk, in a passable Bela Oxmyx imitation: "I got rights!"
I got rights! On one side of the street is a Rasputin's Music. On the other is the Evil Rapacious Wal-Mart. Wal-Mart doesn't sell CDs with vulgar lyrics, Rasputin's does. This is censorship! My rights are being violated! I am being oppressed because I have to walk across the street to buy an albumn where someone says "fuck"! Think of the children!
Just anything a state feels like issuing? Well, yeah! That's what we have right now, and it's working just fine. Why the hell do you need identification to visit a national park anyway?
You mean like the Democrats saying how they had nothing whatsoever to do with the war in Iraq? They can't even muster up enough votes to consider denying war funding. They're only moral opposition to the war is that the wrong party is prosecuting it. Hell, Obama wants to invade Pakistan, an ally! All differences between the Democrats and Republicans are gone.
Ditto. I'm a huge fan of Ron Paul, but I swear some of his supporters are trying to deliberate annoy people away from the campaign. It's the "geek syndrome", well known here on Slashdot. Like a Debian advocate at a Redhat shareholder's meeting. You would rather make a point than to make friends.
...but not the GPL. No license but the GPL can be used in conjunction with the GPL. Heck, not even different versions of the GPL can be used with the GPL!
There are some "compatible" licenses, but that's merely a euphemism for relicensing. If a license allows to to relicense the software under the GPL, then it is compatible. If the MIT license, for example, said that you couldn't file off the license, then it would no longer be GPL. The GPL is a members only club.
I realized last night that I haven't used Windows since February! Not even Wine! More than that, the only time I've used it since 2005 has been for crossplatform development purposes (thanks to Qt, I can develop native Windows apps on Unix or Mac).
At home I am running FreeBSD 6.2, and have a Mac iBook I occasionally use. For work I have a Thinkpad running Kubuntu 7.04. The only come across two drawbacks for not using Windows: the Thinkpad won't wake up in Linux; and lack of proprietary Flash under FreeBSD. I expect both of these issues to be gone in the next six months. Unix is ready for the desktop. I wouldn't recommend FreeBSD to the Unix noob, but Kubuntu is far easier to install and setup than Windows (if you don't need a proprietary driver).
Putting a notice of the GPL in the distribution isn't good enough! I think it'd be more appropriate if the box bore a great red label: "WARNING: LARK'S VOMIT!!!"
Each succeeding bubble has been worse than its predecessor. Thus nobody is actually able to spot the cycle, since it just looks like a continuum.
The causes of the business cycle have been known for quite a while. It's just that we keep deluding ourselves that the next bust won't happen. Inflating the monetary supply encourages investment in productivity, but hurts consumption. Eventually the two get too far out of whack and we get a correction. http://www.mises.org/story/606
Getting out of this cycle means taking your hands of controls of the monetary supply. Milton Friedman suggested indexing the rate of monetary growth. More radical economists suggest getting rid of the Federal Reserve entirely and going to a hard commodity or other value system. The latter has some merit, but is politically unrealistic.
But you are not copying or distributing the Program.
But the program was on the phone! I've distributed it! That is what this case is about. In addition, this case was tried in Germany, where you can sue someone for violating the copyright of another.
Linux World Expo is in a couple of weeks. Maybe I'll just do that. Maybe I'll have my lawyer explain to them that "accompanied by" doesn't mean you can get away with merely putting a notice on the CD.
But I won't. Why punish the good guys for the hyper-anal antics of a few maladjusted community members?
Fred: "Hey Larry, can I borrow your phone to make a call?" Larry: "Sure, here it is." Fred: "Hey! You didn't give me the source code!" Larry: "Get a life you twit, here's the URL for the source." Fred: "Not good enough! You gave me a physical phone, now I am demanding the physical source code!" Larry: "Give me my fucking phone back!" Fred: "Too late! You distributed it to me, now I will sue you ass in a German court!"
It's silly stuff like this that makes me avoid the GPL. Well, not avoid, that's impossible. But I do ignore it whenever convenient to do so. If someone wants to take me all the way to court over a "free" license, I will do so.
Freedom isn't about suing people over license violations. Only narrow minded leftist technocrats believe such rubbish.
Use the hammer! When you need to insert a screw use a hammer to bash it in! When you need to saw some wood, use a hammer to break it apart! When you need a pair of tweezers to carefully manipulate a tiny electronic part, use a hammer to bash it into smithereens!
When you're so tunnel blind that all you can see is the web, then everything starts looking like a web page.
Desktops have, or have the potential to have, usable interfaces. Web apps, cellphones, PDAs and iPhones do not. It's a bit harder to create a good crossplatform desktop app than a cheesy flash-bound website, but the benefits are worth it.
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Provide a permissive license and expecting everything to be returned to you is contradictory to the very license you've chose.
First, it's rude. You don't deny a derivative work to the original author. Second, it's ilelgal. You may not file off someone's license just because you disagree with it. A few Linux developers have demonstrated that they're rude scofflaws.
It seems to me that some Linux developers want to deny derivative works to the original authors. I guess they think that their not a part of a community, but a members-only club, and damn anyone not using the home team kernel.
As one of the "BSD-style folk. I have to pronounce your characterization to be wrong. Some of us do worry about goals, but the vast majority of us just want our software to be free. That's all.
That's "free" as in the dictionary definition: unencumbered by restrictions. It's not political, not social. It's not about end users versus programmers. Just plain old fashioned freedom. Here's some software, come and enjoy, no strings attached.
Yelled while pounding my desk, in a passable Bela Oxmyx imitation: "I got rights!"
I got rights! On one side of the street is a Rasputin's Music. On the other is the Evil Rapacious Wal-Mart. Wal-Mart doesn't sell CDs with vulgar lyrics, Rasputin's does. This is censorship! My rights are being violated! I am being oppressed because I have to walk across the street to buy an albumn where someone says "fuck"! Think of the children!
There is no current requirement. You need a pass, but that's just to show that you paid. And only the vehicle needs the pass, not the passengers.
Just anything a state feels like issuing?
Well, yeah! That's what we have right now, and it's working just fine. Why the hell do you need identification to visit a national park anyway?
You mean like the Democrats saying how they had nothing whatsoever to do with the war in Iraq? They can't even muster up enough votes to consider denying war funding. They're only moral opposition to the war is that the wrong party is prosecuting it. Hell, Obama wants to invade Pakistan, an ally! All differences between the Democrats and Republicans are gone.
Ditto. I'm a huge fan of Ron Paul, but I swear some of his supporters are trying to deliberate annoy people away from the campaign. It's the "geek syndrome", well known here on Slashdot. Like a Debian advocate at a Redhat shareholder's meeting. You would rather make a point than to make friends.
...but not the GPL.
No license but the GPL can be used in conjunction with the GPL. Heck, not even different versions of the GPL can be used with the GPL!
There are some "compatible" licenses, but that's merely a euphemism for relicensing. If a license allows to to relicense the software under the GPL, then it is compatible. If the MIT license, for example, said that you couldn't file off the license, then it would no longer be GPL. The GPL is a members only club.
I realized last night that I haven't used Windows since February! Not even Wine! More than that, the only time I've used it since 2005 has been for crossplatform development purposes (thanks to Qt, I can develop native Windows apps on Unix or Mac).
At home I am running FreeBSD 6.2, and have a Mac iBook I occasionally use. For work I have a Thinkpad running Kubuntu 7.04. The only come across two drawbacks for not using Windows: the Thinkpad won't wake up in Linux; and lack of proprietary Flash under FreeBSD. I expect both of these issues to be gone in the next six months. Unix is ready for the desktop. I wouldn't recommend FreeBSD to the Unix noob, but Kubuntu is far easier to install and setup than Windows (if you don't need a proprietary driver).
Putting a notice of the GPL in the distribution isn't good enough! I think it'd be more appropriate if the box bore a great red label: "WARNING: LARK'S VOMIT!!!"
Each succeeding bubble has been worse than its predecessor. Thus nobody is actually able to spot the cycle, since it just looks like a continuum.
The causes of the business cycle have been known for quite a while. It's just that we keep deluding ourselves that the next bust won't happen. Inflating the monetary supply encourages investment in productivity, but hurts consumption. Eventually the two get too far out of whack and we get a correction. http://www.mises.org/story/606
Getting out of this cycle means taking your hands of controls of the monetary supply. Milton Friedman suggested indexing the rate of monetary growth. More radical economists suggest getting rid of the Federal Reserve entirely and going to a hard commodity or other value system. The latter has some merit, but is politically unrealistic.
What part of "individual" in your definition don't you understand?
But you are not copying or distributing the Program.
But the program was on the phone! I've distributed it! That is what this case is about. In addition, this case was tried in Germany, where you can sue someone for violating the copyright of another.
Linux World Expo is in a couple of weeks. Maybe I'll just do that. Maybe I'll have my lawyer explain to them that "accompanied by" doesn't mean you can get away with merely putting a notice on the CD.
But I won't. Why punish the good guys for the hyper-anal antics of a few maladjusted community members?
It is not like it's asking for much.
It's asking a shitload.
Fred: "Hey Larry, can I borrow your phone to make a call?"
Larry: "Sure, here it is."
Fred: "Hey! You didn't give me the source code!"
Larry: "Get a life you twit, here's the URL for the source."
Fred: "Not good enough! You gave me a physical phone, now I am demanding the physical source code!"
Larry: "Give me my fucking phone back!"
Fred: "Too late! You distributed it to me, now I will sue you ass in a German court!"
GPL: License to Sue.
It's silly stuff like this that makes me avoid the GPL. Well, not avoid, that's impossible. But I do ignore it whenever convenient to do so. If someone wants to take me all the way to court over a "free" license, I will do so.
Freedom isn't about suing people over license violations. Only narrow minded leftist technocrats believe such rubbish.
You are totally, completely free to _use_ a GPLv3 program for whatever you want
Unless you're using it on a server. In that case, your _USE_ is restricted if you have any clients.
Use the hammer! When you need to insert a screw use a hammer to bash it in! When you need to saw some wood, use a hammer to break it apart! When you need a pair of tweezers to carefully manipulate a tiny electronic part, use a hammer to bash it into smithereens!
When you're so tunnel blind that all you can see is the web, then everything starts looking like a web page.
In other words, kids won't talk to you unless you check a forum often enough that their message won't get lost in the clutter.
Desktops have, or have the potential to have, usable interfaces. Web apps, cellphones, PDAs and iPhones do not. It's a bit harder to create a good crossplatform desktop app than a cheesy flash-bound website, but the benefits are worth it.
Since when do conspiracy mongers need facts? Make shit up and publish it, that's their motto.
If your stock tanks because some pseudonymed troll bad talks you on a forum, it's time to take a good hard look at yourself.
Yeah, Mackey's actions were kind of creepy, but so it yelling "Snow!" in a crowded theatre.