It should show up at the XSuSE website around Sept. 7 or so.
Dirk
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Err, who said that 3.3.4 sucks? We finished it, cut the release, and then a few important changes came in. Among them a fix for the Rage LT in some laptops, a fix to get XFree86-3.3.x to compile under glibc-2.1.2 (binaries built under previous versions will run just fine) and a couple more things. We thought that those are important enough to update the release, but since we already cut 3.3.4, we decided to simply do a quick 3.3.5 after all. Wasn't it just here on/. that people complained about the long time between XFree86 releases...:-)
And to make the wait easier, we will have Linux binaries on our ftp server, shortly (FreeBSD is already there)
Dirk
Re:XFree86 could be a little more open
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The support load is one of the key problems behind the current somewhat closed approach. There are other issues (the devel sources often contain drivers that were written under NDA and for which we haven't received permission to release, yet. Those obviously can't be publicly available).
The 3.9.15 release is somewhat a test case. If we receive tons of support email from people trying to use it and asking for help, then we might revert back to the closed cycle that we did before. I certainly hope that none of the distributions will attempt to include 3.9.15. It is definitely not ready for that. SuSE will NOT include it on their next distribution, btw...
Don't get me wrong. Bug reports (and of course, patches) are extremely welcome. I saw another comment that we didn't respond to bug reports. My answer to that is simple. We get so many reports, and there are only so few people to respond. Usually none of them go unseen and as long as they contain a fix or the fix is obvious, things usually get fixed as well.
Of course, the 800 or so bug reports "my Trio3D card doesn't work" didn't really help to fix the problem...
Dirk
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Sorry if things went wrong that time. I get tons of emails a day, so I must admit that I don't remember the incident that you are commenting on.
There is no competition whatsoever between the work that PI does and the work that SuSE does for 3D. I am sure that Frank LaMonica from PI will be happy to comment on his take on the issue.
Most likely your request came before the DRI stuff was released to XFree86 (at which point I usually deflected people since the stuff they were looking for simply wasn't there, yet).
Normally everyone who sends email to XFree86@XFree86.Org and states "I would like to work on ABC" with "ABC" somewhat more informative than "XFree86" or "drivers" will get an application form within a few days. And those people are always added to the devel team.
As to the generic issue here, yes, I think that XFree86 should open up its development a bit. And guess what, we will. The release of the 3.9.x snapshots is a first step in that direction, more will follow.
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It should show up at the XSuSE website around Sept. 7 or so.
Dirk
Err, who said that 3.3.4 sucks? /. that people complained :-)
We finished it, cut the release, and then a few
important changes came in. Among them a fix
for the Rage LT in some laptops, a fix to get
XFree86-3.3.x to compile under glibc-2.1.2 (binaries
built under previous versions will run just fine)
and a couple more things. We thought that those
are important enough to update the release, but
since we already cut 3.3.4, we decided to simply
do a quick 3.3.5 after all.
Wasn't it just here on
about the long time between XFree86 releases...
And to make the wait easier, we will have Linux
binaries on our ftp server, shortly (FreeBSD is
already there)
Dirk
The support load is one of the key problems behind the current
somewhat closed approach. There are other issues (the devel
sources often contain drivers that were written under NDA
and for which we haven't received permission to release,
yet. Those obviously can't be publicly available).
The 3.9.15 release is somewhat a test case. If we receive
tons of support email from people trying to use it and
asking for help, then we might revert back to the closed
cycle that we did before. I certainly hope that none
of the distributions will attempt to include 3.9.15.
It is definitely not ready for that. SuSE will NOT include
it on their next distribution, btw...
Don't get me wrong. Bug reports (and of course, patches)
are extremely welcome. I saw another comment that we didn't
respond to bug reports. My answer to that is simple.
We get so many reports, and there are only so few people
to respond. Usually none of them go unseen and as long
as they contain a fix or the fix is obvious, things
usually get fixed as well.
Of course, the 800 or so bug reports "my Trio3D card
doesn't work" didn't really help to fix the problem...
Dirk
Sorry if things went wrong that time. I get tons
of emails a day, so I must admit that I don't
remember the incident that you are commenting on.
There is no competition whatsoever between the
work that PI does and the work that SuSE does
for 3D. I am sure that Frank LaMonica from PI
will be happy to comment on his take on the issue.
Most likely your request came before the
DRI stuff was released to XFree86 (at which point
I usually deflected people since the stuff they
were looking for simply wasn't there, yet).
Normally everyone who sends email to XFree86@XFree86.Org
and states "I would like to work on ABC" with "ABC"
somewhat more informative than "XFree86" or "drivers"
will get an application form within a few days.
And those people are always added to the devel
team.
As to the generic issue here, yes, I think that
XFree86 should open up its development a bit.
And guess what, we will. The release of the
3.9.x snapshots is a first step in that direction,
more will follow.
Dirk Hohndel