"To top that off: Really, how many more times are you going to mention that FISA thing? You don't know what I, or any of the others you've used that line on, have done with regards to that matter."
And yet you nor anyone else knows what I am doing in regards to my site either, dumbass. Believe what you want, you're going to anyway regardless of what the truth is.
Cause I don't answer to you or anyone here, or on my site for that matter. I don't have a problem with what I had to do to build my member base since it was free and that's it. But believe what you want, you're gonna do it anyway... Tilt at some more windmills and let that useless FISA stuff fall to the side...
No, I don't make any ad revenue off the site; not a dollar. I lose money on it actually and yet I'm a dickhead scammer according to you despite 1500 logged hours over the past 5 years of user administration and close to 5000 hours to stop spammers from invading my site completely and totally unpaid. Feel free to believe that all you want since you're going to do that anyway... I can sleep at night.
Whatever, you're going to believe what you want anyway.... Free or not, offering a service has been declared to be a fraudulent activity if ANY of the information is not legit thanks to our new overloard, what's-his-face, the Parent. I'm glad you rail against real causes like dating sites and leave such sticky stuff like FISA and the like to fall to the side. That's a real show of character there.
Yes, I should be inventing lifeforms. However the site started out as a hobby and I actually lose money from its existence since I don't charge so I really, really, really REALLY don't give a flying fuck at this point what anyone thinks. I have 5 years of unpaid work in it and a 200 strong member base to maintain as well as keeping spammers away on a daily fucking basis...did I mention I do this for FREE!?!? But I'm a scummy scammer dickhead fuckwad halfwit who doesn't offer anything according to everyone who got dissed by the pretty girl on the big "trustworthy" website... Whatever...you're going to believe what you want anyway.
It's not a necessity.. it's a deceptive practice used by dickheads like yourself to dupe others into believing that you actually have a product to offer.
Since it's free, your problem is....?
I'd say that's complete bullshit. The number of legitimate users you have is an incentive for others to join. However, you could use other honest incentives to get new members while your userbase is still small.
You can say it all you want. Try to get in the business with zero budget and tell me what resources YOU come up with smart ass.
Just because something isn't protected by law, doesn't make you any less of a scumbag for doing it. Also, you're not advertising your product as a work of fiction, are you? So, libel would probably apply, but IANAL.
I think you're a dickhead too. You don't know me afterall and you know nothing of my service. And you're right you're not a lawyer because it's not close to slander or libel, you just would like to think it is to pump up your wittle ego. You do things I don't like, like being a judgemental asshole who's obviously never had to walk in someone else's shoes. Should I call you a waaahmbulance?
You apparently aren't the brains of your little dating site operation, are ya?
I'm the EVERYTHING of the site. However I now know why you can't even get a date on a dating site....
If you believe in what you're selling, how about posting the domain name of your site?
...because it's a dating site for LOCALS. ONLY. I don't feel the same need to play the school yard bullshit you seem to be promoting, or assuming that I am promoting.
You can be lead to think a lot of things, sad part is, you don't see how this EXACT practice is used in other areas of the internet that you frequent and extoll the highest praises to. I'll let you sort that out for yourself or let you continue in your path of self-deception...your choice.
Get your panties in a wad much? My users are happy and they're getting the services they're NOT paying for. Call it what you like, the community grew on my site as a result of it and nobody has an issue with that.
Thanks. I'll await the slashdot effect to go away before I put the site back up. Besides, my.htaccess only allows locals to join by IP since we have a fixed number of ISPs in this town it's easy to calculate.
Sorry, that's not how it works. For one, they don't pay me a dollar; not a dime in 5 years. Most for-pay sites offer a free limited membership where you can determine whether you think that there are people you are interested in before you pay; you should avoid those that don't or be an informed consumer if you do. At what point did it become that the consumer lost responsibility to check into things like this?
I'll state it again. REAL fraud is when sites like match.com and the like got busted for having employees string paying customers along by sending them email from fake profiles. You may not like the practice of generated profiles but there are uses that you aren't going to grasp since you're hellbent outta shape trying to prove it's a scam because you didn't get to fuck that hottie on adultfiendfinder or what-have-you.
The site does have real members or do you somehow think that the for-pay sites make money from having 100% generated profiles; hint, they don't make a lot of money if they have 100% real profiles. It's nice to see how warped an idiot's mind is as well.
Yes they do go to meet real people but real people don't join unless they think there are already people have joined(you humans are such sheep in that regard), even if the site is completely 100% free to them. As long as those profiles aren't being used by, say, employees to keep paying members, which again..I have NONE, then there is no fraud. It's "deceptive" but once those fake profiles expire the site is left with real members. Every big dating site started out that way whether you want to believe it or not; they have to generate a lot of profiles to test the database, to test the layout of the site, etc. and at some point in time they just make the site live and let the generated profiles die off naturally while they debug. I'm sure you feel deceived but that's what the disclaimer's for and if you don't read that then we shouldn't be having this discussion.
I actually use that to my advantage since the person who uses my real name is a gospel singer, and strangely had the same career in publishing as I did, they claim most of the top google results and those results that are mine don't mention my location or any other identifying marks. So my name is "poisoned" but my identity is plenty safe.
It's not a scam because I'm not using it to get people to pay for the service; it's used to make the site look more populated to get people to sign up for free profiles(there are no premium profiles on my site). And, regarding the sites that do charge, they are selling the services attached, not the profiles; you see, forums, various forms of text/audio/video chat, image upload service, blogs, etc. are all legit services and business models the last time I checked so what were you saying again? You're talking about a business that you know nothing about. You know, like most clueless people that use sensationalist terms like "scam" for things they don't feel is right. You're fine to feel that way but calling it a scam is disingenuous and shows your limited view of the deal. OR, you could be forced to watch eharmony match.com commercials for the rest of your life, it's not like THEY have been brought up on REAL charges of fraud or other truly questionable practices..
Sorry, you fail. The trickery would only apply if those fake profiles were sending email to keep paying members around. That is a fact. You don't know enough about the business to be able to know the ins-and-outs of why that's the case but suffice to say your ignorance is showing.
Yet, 1) I don't charge so I'm not "selling" jack shit, 2) lots of dating sites have profiles that people sign up for and forget about sooo how does one tell the difference? Answer: you can't, and as long as those profiles aren't being used to string along paying customers(of which I have ZERO) then there is no scam, there is no fraud.
No, they are NOT scams(your definition doesn't fit the dictionary..you just don't like the practice..you're allowed to say that instead of using sensationalism to boost your rep here) AND to address your last point, the only time that people ever filed for fraud against a for-pay site was when those sites used employees to send email from fake profiles to string people along as paying customers. Read that bold part over and over and you'll understand that THAT is a scam.
Since I don't get revenue from the site, tell me how I do advertising. Since it's for local people only, tell me how I do that on the internet. You see, you don't know as much about the business as I do. I'm running it for fun but there are certain evils you have to embrace. Sad fact but it's true. And for the record, the disclaimer that everyone agrees to states that the information provided may not be legit.
What most of you are missing is the fact that people who run dating sites are at more disadvantages than you could ever imagine. Every spammer on the planet is trying to get an account on your site so they can send adultfiendfinder(misspelled on purpose) or other dating affiliate spam to your members, or the ED spammers, or the "did I tell you about this great site" spammers. So we have to keep them out, attract new people, deal with administration, debug the software and add features; most of the time without the first dollar entering your pocket for over a year(I've run mine for over 5 years and it's been completely free). So I really couldn't care less how you people feel about it until you've been in our shoes for a while because it's a lot harder than running any other website; I administrate about 100 and the dating website eats more time that the rest combined.
I don't claim anything AND since my site is completely free I can do with it as I see fit. There is no fraud despite your myopic view.
Most of those new members ignore the initial members since their profiles dropped off long ago, or did you miss that part when composing your great come-back in your mind?
Actually, no fraud is involved, asshole. We generate names to make the sites look popular at first. Since we're not stealing identities, there is no fraud.
"If some computer is just putting together combinations of first and last names and building pages with no further personally identifiable information, that's spam for Google to worry about, not a scam or a privacy infringement for us to worry about."
This is exactly it!!! I say this because as I have mentioned below, I run a dating site and it's a necessary evil to generate name pairs, as you suggested, to attract new members for sites that are just starting up. I usually have most of mine expire after a year if I've built up enough to match the numbers. There's no scraping involved at all.
Nope, most of them aren't "name scraping" as suggested; they're generating the name pairs from a huge list of first names, a huge list of last names and typically a huge list of cities and states. Also what you suggest could very well count as slander/libel since saying that someone with name X is a member at your dating site is not the same as saying someone with name X is a sex offender.
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"To top that off: Really, how many more times are you going to mention that FISA thing? You don't know what I, or any of the others you've used that line on, have done with regards to that matter."
And yet you nor anyone else knows what I am doing in regards to my site either, dumbass. Believe what you want, you're going to anyway regardless of what the truth is.
Cause I don't answer to you or anyone here, or on my site for that matter. I don't have a problem with what I had to do to build my member base since it was free and that's it. But believe what you want, you're gonna do it anyway... Tilt at some more windmills and let that useless FISA stuff fall to the side...
I love how you have to be an AC to post that. Shows real backbone.
No, I don't make any ad revenue off the site; not a dollar. I lose money on it actually and yet I'm a dickhead scammer according to you despite 1500 logged hours over the past 5 years of user administration and close to 5000 hours to stop spammers from invading my site completely and totally unpaid. Feel free to believe that all you want since you're going to do that anyway... I can sleep at night.
Whatever, you're going to believe what you want anyway.... Free or not, offering a service has been declared to be a fraudulent activity if ANY of the information is not legit thanks to our new overloard, what's-his-face, the Parent. I'm glad you rail against real causes like dating sites and leave such sticky stuff like FISA and the like to fall to the side. That's a real show of character there.
Yes, I should be inventing lifeforms. However the site started out as a hobby and I actually lose money from its existence since I don't charge so I really, really, really REALLY don't give a flying fuck at this point what anyone thinks. I have 5 years of unpaid work in it and a 200 strong member base to maintain as well as keeping spammers away on a daily fucking basis...did I mention I do this for FREE!?!? But I'm a scummy scammer dickhead fuckwad halfwit who doesn't offer anything according to everyone who got dissed by the pretty girl on the big "trustworthy" website... Whatever...you're going to believe what you want anyway.
It's not a necessity.. it's a deceptive practice used by dickheads like yourself to dupe others into believing that you actually have a product to offer.
Since it's free, your problem is....?
I'd say that's complete bullshit. The number of legitimate users you have is an incentive for others to join. However, you could use other honest incentives to get new members while your userbase is still small.
You can say it all you want. Try to get in the business with zero budget and tell me what resources YOU come up with smart ass.
Just because something isn't protected by law, doesn't make you any less of a scumbag for doing it. Also, you're not advertising your product as a work of fiction, are you? So, libel would probably apply, but IANAL.
I think you're a dickhead too. You don't know me afterall and you know nothing of my service. And you're right you're not a lawyer because it's not close to slander or libel, you just would like to think it is to pump up your wittle ego. You do things I don't like, like being a judgemental asshole who's obviously never had to walk in someone else's shoes. Should I call you a waaahmbulance?
You apparently aren't the brains of your little dating site operation, are ya?
I'm the EVERYTHING of the site. However I now know why you can't even get a date on a dating site....
If you believe in what you're selling, how about posting the domain name of your site?
You can be lead to think a lot of things, sad part is, you don't see how this EXACT practice is used in other areas of the internet that you frequent and extoll the highest praises to. I'll let you sort that out for yourself or let you continue in your path of self-deception...your choice.
Get your panties in a wad much? My users are happy and they're getting the services they're NOT paying for. Call it what you like, the community grew on my site as a result of it and nobody has an issue with that.
Thanks. I'll await the slashdot effect to go away before I put the site back up. Besides, my .htaccess only allows locals to join by IP since we have a fixed number of ISPs in this town it's easy to calculate.
I imagine you do. I used to but since it's a locals-only dating site, it makes no sense to do so. However I double dog dare you to just STFU.
Sorry, that's not how it works. For one, they don't pay me a dollar; not a dime in 5 years. Most for-pay sites offer a free limited membership where you can determine whether you think that there are people you are interested in before you pay; you should avoid those that don't or be an informed consumer if you do. At what point did it become that the consumer lost responsibility to check into things like this?
I'll state it again. REAL fraud is when sites like match.com and the like got busted for having employees string paying customers along by sending them email from fake profiles. You may not like the practice of generated profiles but there are uses that you aren't going to grasp since you're hellbent outta shape trying to prove it's a scam because you didn't get to fuck that hottie on adultfiendfinder or what-have-you.
The site does have real members or do you somehow think that the for-pay sites make money from having 100% generated profiles; hint, they don't make a lot of money if they have 100% real profiles. It's nice to see how warped an idiot's mind is as well.
Yes they do go to meet real people but real people don't join unless they think there are already people have joined(you humans are such sheep in that regard), even if the site is completely 100% free to them. As long as those profiles aren't being used by, say, employees to keep paying members, which again..I have NONE, then there is no fraud. It's "deceptive" but once those fake profiles expire the site is left with real members. Every big dating site started out that way whether you want to believe it or not; they have to generate a lot of profiles to test the database, to test the layout of the site, etc. and at some point in time they just make the site live and let the generated profiles die off naturally while they debug. I'm sure you feel deceived but that's what the disclaimer's for and if you don't read that then we shouldn't be having this discussion.
I actually use that to my advantage since the person who uses my real name is a gospel singer, and strangely had the same career in publishing as I did, they claim most of the top google results and those results that are mine don't mention my location or any other identifying marks. So my name is "poisoned" but my identity is plenty safe.
It's not a scam because I'm not using it to get people to pay for the service; it's used to make the site look more populated to get people to sign up for free profiles(there are no premium profiles on my site). And, regarding the sites that do charge, they are selling the services attached, not the profiles; you see, forums, various forms of text/audio/video chat, image upload service, blogs, etc. are all legit services and business models the last time I checked so what were you saying again? You're talking about a business that you know nothing about. You know, like most clueless people that use sensationalist terms like "scam" for things they don't feel is right. You're fine to feel that way but calling it a scam is disingenuous and shows your limited view of the deal. OR, you could be forced to watch eharmony match.com commercials for the rest of your life, it's not like THEY have been brought up on REAL charges of fraud or other truly questionable practices..
No, it's not "fraudulent"; why are you guys so stuck on the sensationalist jargon?
Sorry, you fail. The trickery would only apply if those fake profiles were sending email to keep paying members around. That is a fact. You don't know enough about the business to be able to know the ins-and-outs of why that's the case but suffice to say your ignorance is showing.
Yet, 1) I don't charge so I'm not "selling" jack shit, 2) lots of dating sites have profiles that people sign up for and forget about sooo how does one tell the difference? Answer: you can't, and as long as those profiles aren't being used to string along paying customers(of which I have ZERO) then there is no scam, there is no fraud.
No, they are NOT scams(your definition doesn't fit the dictionary..you just don't like the practice..you're allowed to say that instead of using sensationalism to boost your rep here) AND to address your last point, the only time that people ever filed for fraud against a for-pay site was when those sites used employees to send email from fake profiles to string people along as paying customers. Read that bold part over and over and you'll understand that THAT is a scam.
Since I don't get revenue from the site, tell me how I do advertising. Since it's for local people only, tell me how I do that on the internet. You see, you don't know as much about the business as I do. I'm running it for fun but there are certain evils you have to embrace. Sad fact but it's true. And for the record, the disclaimer that everyone agrees to states that the information provided may not be legit.
What most of you are missing is the fact that people who run dating sites are at more disadvantages than you could ever imagine. Every spammer on the planet is trying to get an account on your site so they can send adultfiendfinder(misspelled on purpose) or other dating affiliate spam to your members, or the ED spammers, or the "did I tell you about this great site" spammers. So we have to keep them out, attract new people, deal with administration, debug the software and add features; most of the time without the first dollar entering your pocket for over a year(I've run mine for over 5 years and it's been completely free). So I really couldn't care less how you people feel about it until you've been in our shoes for a while because it's a lot harder than running any other website; I administrate about 100 and the dating website eats more time that the rest combined.
I don't claim anything AND since my site is completely free I can do with it as I see fit. There is no fraud despite your myopic view.
Most of those new members ignore the initial members since their profiles dropped off long ago, or did you miss that part when composing your great come-back in your mind?
Actually, no fraud is involved, asshole. We generate names to make the sites look popular at first. Since we're not stealing identities, there is no fraud.
"If some computer is just putting together combinations of first and last names and building pages with no further personally identifiable information, that's spam for Google to worry about, not a scam or a privacy infringement for us to worry about."
This is exactly it!!! I say this because as I have mentioned below, I run a dating site and it's a necessary evil to generate name pairs, as you suggested, to attract new members for sites that are just starting up. I usually have most of mine expire after a year if I've built up enough to match the numbers. There's no scraping involved at all.
Nope, most of them aren't "name scraping" as suggested; they're generating the name pairs from a huge list of first names, a huge list of last names and typically a huge list of cities and states. Also what you suggest could very well count as slander/libel since saying that someone with name X is a member at your dating site is not the same as saying someone with name X is a sex offender.