Motorola is not an orchestra working together. It is a collection of warring tribes who make purchases to satisfy their own business needs. Semiconductor Products Sector purchased Metrowerks in order to be able to direct them as to which processors to create tools for. Metrowerks already had plenty of deals with many embedded software companies to supply toolchains. SPS had problems getting support for some not so popular products (like certain DSP chips) so they bought Metrowerks. This way they can force Metrowerks to support all the processors they produce.
It probably has nothing to do with Linux and everything to do with reallocating Metrowerks resources to meet the business needs of SPS.
Re:How's the PPC version shaping up?
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Get the latest images from your local mirror and then consult http://www.debian.org/~porter for replacements. Works fine installing on my Starmax, if you don't miss a few features like the ftp/http, dhcp, and task manager that are not complete yet.
Re:How's the PPC version shaping up?
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Get the latest images from you local mirror and then consult http://www.debian.org/~porter for replacements. Works fine installing on my Starmax, if you don't miss a few features like the ftp/http, dhcp, and task manager that are not complete yet.
These are known issues. MCG wants this stuff done but it is the responsibility of the chip maker. They haven't yet allocated resources to do it.
BTW, libmoto has some IP issues according to the "owner". I spend a lot of extra time pushing these issues, but there are a lot of people opposed to this.
Things would be a little easier if I could find another experienced PowerPC Linux developer willing to work in Phoenix.
Actually there are people working on optimizing Linux for PowerPC. They range from the performance group at SPS, to the MCG porting group which optimizes specifically for our embedded VME and CPCI boards. At the very least, Linux is an important part of Motorola Computer Group's strategy to sell more hardware.
Actually there are people working on optimizing Linux for PowerPC. They range from the performance group at SPS, to the MCG porting group which optimizes specifically for our embedded VME and CPCI boards. At the very least, Linux is an important part of Motorola Computer Group's strategy to sell more hardware.
The reason the 750 (G3) is not often used in dual processor designs is that it lacks the S-bit (snoop bit) which allows the cache to be snooped. This can be gotten around in software. Synergy Microsystems has a good example of such a design (4 way 750) running Linux in SMP mode. -Matt Motorola Computer Group
This topic is interesting. At Motorola Computer Group, we offer AIX on a variety of our PPC machines. However, people want a migration path away from AIX since it is an inflexible closed source UNIX...that path is Linux. Linux runs circles around AIX on the same hardware (lmbench, etc.), applications are plentiful and easily ported to Linux/PPC. I run Debian/PowerPC on most of our systems and it provides 3000+ packages right at my fingertips.
Matt Porter Motorola Computer Group mporter@mcg.mot.com
I don't see this as a fork like the desktop distributions. For embedded Linux, we only have Hardhat Linux and Embedix now as competitors. That's not a lot of choices, but it's probably enough. Keep in mind that these products are aimed at a market where a desktop (install to a hard disk) type distribution is completely inadequate. Developers of embedded Linux applications require a system where the tools are not self-hosted since their targets probably can't suport self-hosting. Step back and consider that this makes the "distribution" method look a lot different now. Lineo and Hard Hat need to provide a product where developers can sit on a workstation Linux and build a target Linux system from a set of packaged building blocks. It's a completely different problem to solve that a typical distribution is designed for.
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Motorola is not an orchestra working together. It is a collection of warring tribes who make purchases to satisfy their own business needs. Semiconductor Products Sector purchased Metrowerks in order to be able to direct them as to which processors to create tools for. Metrowerks already had plenty of deals with many embedded software companies to supply toolchains. SPS had problems getting support for some not so popular products (like certain DSP chips) so they bought Metrowerks. This way they can force Metrowerks to support all the processors they produce.
It probably has nothing to do with Linux and everything to do with reallocating Metrowerks resources to meet the business needs of SPS.
Get the latest images from your local mirror and then consult http://www.debian.org/~porter for replacements. Works fine installing on my Starmax, if you don't miss a few features like the ftp/http, dhcp, and task manager that are not complete yet.
Get the latest images from you local mirror and then consult http://www.debian.org/~porter for replacements. Works fine installing on my Starmax, if you don't miss a few features like the ftp/http, dhcp, and task manager that are not complete yet.
These are known issues. MCG wants this stuff done but it is the responsibility of the chip maker. They haven't yet allocated resources to do it.
BTW, libmoto has some IP issues according to the "owner". I spend a lot of extra time pushing these issues, but there are a lot of people opposed to this.
Things would be a little easier if I could find another experienced PowerPC Linux developer willing to work in Phoenix.
-Matt at MCG
Actually there are people working on optimizing Linux for PowerPC. They range from the performance group at SPS, to the MCG porting group which optimizes specifically for our embedded VME and CPCI boards. At the very least, Linux is an important part of Motorola Computer Group's strategy to sell more hardware.
-Matt at MCG
Actually there are people working on optimizing Linux for PowerPC. They range from the performance group at SPS, to the MCG porting group which optimizes specifically for our embedded VME and CPCI boards. At the very least, Linux is an important part of Motorola Computer Group's strategy to sell more hardware.
-Matt at MCG
The reason the 750 (G3) is not often used in dual processor designs is that it lacks the S-bit (snoop bit) which allows the cache to be snooped. This can be gotten around in software. Synergy Microsystems has a good example of such a design (4 way 750) running Linux in SMP mode. -Matt Motorola Computer Group
No, I haven't heard of "PPCLinux", what is it? The port of the kernel to PowerPC is referred to as Linux/PPC.
This topic is interesting. At Motorola Computer Group, we offer AIX on a variety of our PPC machines. However, people want a migration path away from AIX since it is an inflexible closed source UNIX...that path is Linux. Linux runs circles around AIX on the same hardware (lmbench, etc.), applications are plentiful and easily ported to Linux/PPC. I run Debian/PowerPC on most of our systems and it provides 3000+ packages right at my fingertips.
Matt Porter
Motorola Computer Group
mporter@mcg.mot.com
I don't see this as a fork like the desktop distributions. For embedded Linux, we only have Hardhat Linux and Embedix now as competitors. That's not a lot of choices, but it's probably enough. Keep in mind that these products are aimed at a market where a desktop (install to a hard disk) type distribution is completely inadequate. Developers of embedded Linux applications require a system where the tools are not self-hosted since their targets probably can't suport self-hosting. Step back and consider that this makes the "distribution" method look a lot different now. Lineo and Hard Hat need to provide a product where developers can sit on a workstation Linux and build a target Linux system from a set of packaged building blocks. It's a completely different problem to solve that a typical distribution is designed for.