And the fact that you can do that 99% of the time with zero hassle from drivers or legacy or yadda yadda is why I (as an Apple customer) don't really care what mouse Apple chooses to ship with my shinny new computer (:
This should actually go into a Slashdot poll... exactly when did any of you last have any "drivers or legacy or yadda yadda" problems on any non-mac system?
In my case, I can't even remember... possibly never, at best back in the good old MS-DOS 5.0 days. All my current systems, 2 Windows XP systems and 3 debian sid systems (one of which is actually a laptop) never had any problems whatsoever.
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"And thus, in AD2005, because of one line of unchecked code, Slashdot began flaming all vendors apart from Apple. What seemed irrelevant at first had huge implications for mankind as it paved the way for Apple's domination of all things electronic, with all major non-Apple vendors being virtually extinct by the second decade of the 21st century. As we saw in the introduction, it was Apple who first introduced self-regulating computers in an effort to relieve the user from the chores of setting up and configuring his machine. It is because of Apple's "you don't need to know how it works" policy and its success at making the machines do exactly what the user wanted, without any requirement for the user to have any knowledge whatsoever about the machine's working, that we today do not understand how Our Masters operate.
But before we review this in more detail, we will be concentrating on the Google Grid in the next chapter" -Excerpt of Chapter 5 of 'From Internet to World-Ruling Self-Conscious Network of Computing Machines: The History of Our Overlords. Volume 1: Towards Automation: The Beginnings.' Cambridge, MA: MIT Press, 2037
Imagine freelance journalists posting credible, signed reports to wikimedia outlets from warzones, political protests, etc. No editors, no goverment censors. It would be great!
That already exists in a similar form. There are many sites like that out there. They are called Blogs.
Two things: 1) I simply don't see Gentoo (or indeed any other Linux distro) and any BSD system as playing in the same league. 2) All the advantages of Gentoo over BSD you list also apply to Debian and most other Linux distros.
Let's just be clear about one thing... the Operating System is still the piece of software that allows you to operate your Computer. It sits between your computer and your applications, allowing the latter to access the former in a sensible way. Note that 'applicatons' includes file browers and application launchers. Therefore, what you call 'hardware abstraction' is, in fact, the OS and the features available through the Google brower, including the Google browser itself, will just be another application and not an OS.
It should be clear why we will not see a Google OS - the Chicago Bulls don't play in the NHL for that same reason
GLinux will be the way forward, with the all-new, ground-breaking tool called gfind. Of course that will just be an alias to a funky combination of find and grep, but who cares? It's from Google, so it has to be cool.
I used to like Wikipedia a lot and turn to it when I'm looking for information. Yet, on sober reflection, I'm not sure how the Darwin-assumption behind the Wikipedia, namely that every article will evolve through time towards a state of perfection, can possibly work.
After all, which articles do people tend to look up more? Those for which they are experts and know most of the stuff anyway, or those from which they hope to get information on something that they may have no previous clue about? I would argue that for any given article, most of the people who could make a useful contribution won't read it and most of the people who read it can't make a useful contribution. The author's observation that the quality of an article has degraded since the original publication then seems obvious and inevitable to me. So... how can Wikipedia ever reach high quality?
Same here, except I'm using debian without any plans of leaving it;)
Even though there's no X.org in apt and portage is always much faster with newer versions of just about anything;)
Gentoo won't die, why should it? It has a great userbase and its users like it.
The occasional Gentoo user might die at the hands of an overly excitable debian user, but that's as far as it'll get;)
First law of/. discussions
Any discussion mentioning either debian or Gentoo will invariably be attracted towards a 'debian vs Gentoo' debate. Said debate is typically triggered by mentioning the G-word in a debian-related discussion or the d-word in a Gentoo-related discussion, even if no such debate is intended.
Now witness how such a debate is born.
This post also serves as an experiment to determine whether such a debate can be avoiding by pointing out the imminent danger of it materialising.
It can also serve as an experiment to determine whether avoidance of the debate will be avoided by mentioning that the mention of the imminent danger of a debate serves as an experiment.
Further it can serve as an experiment to determine whether avoidance of the avoidance of.......
Goppix is based on debian Ubuntu is based on debian
It's just another debian-based distro, nothing more, nothing less.
And yes, I use debian. Not a debian-based thing, just debian;)
Re:The whole one-button mouse thing has to go...
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Have you ever tutored truly novice user? Someone with absolutely no clue about technology or computers in general? They constantly click the wrong button and get confused when a right click menu appears as opposed to opening the document or program. You have to keep reminding them that it's the left click unless otherwise indicated.
I can't speak for the users you've been tutoring, but in my experience, that is simply not true. Novice users will default to only using the left mouse button. They will simply ignore the right mouse button unless you tell them explicitly to use it - and it's hard to get them to use all the convient functions that come with the right-click. But they will not be confused over which button does what.
On the one-mouse button issue... I wouldn't mind a Powerbook just for the looks. However the first thing that'd go onto it would be debian and the second thing that would need to happen would be remapping the second and third mouse button to F10 and F11. Rather awkward. So I won't buy a Powerbook. End of story.
What's wrong with 2 mouse buttons and a scroll wheel when your own OS supports it?? It doesn't stop users from just using just one button if they feel nostalgic, does it??
Also at the Spiegel, the shuttle in question appears to have been bought by a German Museum and the reason why it's in Bahrain is because it was supposed to be shown at an exhibition in 2002. However that never happened and a legal struggle resulted, which is apparently still going on and left the shuttle stranded in Bahrain, the exact location being kept secret.
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In my case, I can't even remember... possibly never, at best back in the good old MS-DOS 5.0 days. All my current systems, 2 Windows XP systems and 3 debian sid systems (one of which is actually a laptop) never had any problems whatsoever.
"And thus, in AD2005, because of one line of unchecked code, Slashdot began flaming all vendors apart from Apple. What seemed irrelevant at first had huge implications for mankind as it paved the way for Apple's domination of all things electronic, with all major non-Apple vendors being virtually extinct by the second decade of the 21st century. As we saw in the introduction, it was Apple who first introduced self-regulating computers in an effort to relieve the user from the chores of setting up and configuring his machine. It is because of Apple's "you don't need to know how it works" policy and its success at making the machines do exactly what the user wanted, without any requirement for the user to have any knowledge whatsoever about the machine's working, that we today do not understand how Our Masters operate.
But before we review this in more detail, we will be concentrating on the Google Grid in the next chapter"
-Excerpt of Chapter 5 of 'From Internet to World-Ruling Self-Conscious Network of Computing Machines: The History of Our Overlords. Volume 1: Towards Automation: The Beginnings.'
Cambridge, MA: MIT Press, 2037
Imagine freelance journalists posting credible, signed reports to wikimedia outlets from warzones, political protests, etc. No editors, no goverment censors. It would be great!
That already exists in a similar form. There are many sites like that out there. They are called Blogs.
Two things:
1) I simply don't see Gentoo (or indeed any other Linux distro) and any BSD system as playing in the same league.
2) All the advantages of Gentoo over BSD you list also apply to Debian and most other Linux distros.
So... what's your Gentoo-specific point again?
Errm... yes.
;)
Let's play a little word association game:
Big City -> Parking Spaces = Rare -> Small Car = Great
Or would you rather drive around Rome in a Hummer?
Yes... it's a server
It's name is Skynet....
Start Terminator Theme as realisation dawns
It's happening.....
Let's just be clear about one thing... the Operating System is still the piece of software that allows you to operate your Computer. It sits between your computer and your applications, allowing the latter to access the former in a sensible way. Note that 'applicatons' includes file browers and application launchers.
Therefore, what you call 'hardware abstraction' is, in fact, the OS and the features available through the Google brower, including the Google browser itself, will just be another application and not an OS.
It should be clear why we will not see a Google OS - the Chicago Bulls don't play in the NHL for that same reason
GWindows? Nah...
GLinux will be the way forward, with the all-new, ground-breaking tool called gfind. Of course that will just be an alias to a funky combination of find and grep, but who cares? It's from Google, so it has to be cool.
I used to like Wikipedia a lot and turn to it when I'm looking for information. Yet, on sober reflection, I'm not sure how the Darwin-assumption behind the Wikipedia, namely that every article will evolve through time towards a state of perfection, can possibly work.
After all, which articles do people tend to look up more? Those for which they are experts and know most of the stuff anyway, or those from which they hope to get information on something that they may have no previous clue about? I would argue that for any given article, most of the people who could make a useful contribution won't read it and most of the people who read it can't make a useful contribution. The author's observation that the quality of an article has degraded since the original publication then seems obvious and inevitable to me. So... how can Wikipedia ever reach high quality?
Same here, except I'm using debian without any plans of leaving it ;)
Even though there's no X.org in apt and portage is always much faster with newer versions of just about anything ;)
Gentoo won't die, why should it? It has a great userbase and its users like it. The occasional Gentoo user might die at the hands of an overly excitable debian user, but that's as far as it'll get ;)
This post also serves as an experiment to determine whether such a debate can be avoiding by pointing out the imminent danger of it materialising.
It can also serve as an experiment to determine whether avoidance of the debate will be avoided by mentioning that the mention of the imminent danger of a debate serves as an experiment.
Further it can serve as an experiment to determine whether avoidance of the avoidance of.......
Goppix is based on debian
;)
Ubuntu is based on debian
It's just another debian-based distro, nothing more, nothing less.
And yes, I use debian. Not a debian-based thing, just debian
On the one-mouse button issue... I wouldn't mind a Powerbook just for the looks. However the first thing that'd go onto it would be debian and the second thing that would need to happen would be remapping the second and third mouse button to F10 and F11. Rather awkward. So I won't buy a Powerbook. End of story.
What's wrong with 2 mouse buttons and a scroll wheel when your own OS supports it?? It doesn't stop users from just using just one button if they feel nostalgic, does it??
Also at the Spiegel, the shuttle in question appears to have been bought by a German Museum and the reason why it's in Bahrain is because it was supposed to be shown at an exhibition in 2002. However that never happened and a legal struggle resulted, which is apparently still going on and left the shuttle stranded in Bahrain, the exact location being kept secret.
I would have thought the interface was obvious.... it will be the combination of a standard mouse with the W, A, S and D keys..... ;)