I see they are not totaly honest in this information, and that sucks.
But the truth is, if at all, Turbo Linux as ~%25 of the sales off the self, not preinstalled, not already running on computers, but ~1/4 of the people that walk into bestbuy or where ever pick up a box full of Linux Love, ~1/4 people snatch them selves a box of Open Source Goodines(TM) w/Vitiam B
How many people do you think that has a box of Penguin Power are going to recommmened it to their freinds?
It is the Truth that Linux is growing Rapidly in the Japaninesse market, not as much as yahoo would have your beilieve but the upward spiral for Linux is there man
I would how this compares to the US market, more or less?
Doesn't Japan use any other unicies commerical or other wise, (solaris, sunOS, AIX, IRIX, freeBSD, openBSD, netBSD, etc. etc.)or NT, any OS run on their mainframes (if they got em) or palmtops?
Why doesn't Japan start active research/development on OS techs? They could actively strengthen linux in any way they see fit, does japan have an OS that they can all their own?
I don't think this article is completely true, there is some grey areas, but neither less Turbo Linux has taken a LARGE chunk of the OS market in japan, and my hat is off to them in all due respect for showing a strong presents in japan.
~25% of the market share, that is more than ALL distrubation have in the United States, right?
Also I heard the Korea Goverment was actively developmenting/funding Linux Research and Develpment, I have looked for articles on this to dis/proven this rumor, but atlast I can't read Korean:(
For the admin machines, Linux is the system of choice as we need something very reliable for running the critical software like DNS, postgres SQL, mail, and so on. We use Apache for our intraweb server, although we run it on Jesus, our O2000 file server.
What is the deal with this people don't they know the Jesus O4000 file server gives BETTER performance in tcp/ip applications like apache than the outdated Jesus O2000 file server?
And didn't they know the Jesus O2000 file server shuts down and refuses at boot every sunday? due to a bug hard coded into the CPU.
I will say one good thing about the Jesus O2000 file server, it can change C code into binary in no time flat using gcc and the open source extentions 'water2wine.so'
I noticed that to, I though he was doing it for sytle, like how he had one paragraph bold and the next one not. What cases that, the character map under solaris?
I thought I was the only one, under paid and abused. He hit the nail right on the head, everything, everyword I could related to. Many we should demand high wage plus time and a half for anything over 40 hours.
You know how much M$ pays for marketing and these PR press releases? These are all planned, M$ is the masters of suggestions. You know how long they have been planning this PR press release, you know how much money, time and effort they put into tricking the public, if you only knew man.
They know what they are doing when they go to the public, if they don't want anyone to see X,Y or Z, the public ain't going to see it. If the what the public to see X, the public will see it.
For what reason?
If M$ spend the same amount of effort and time on their products as they do with Marketing, PR meetting, and the other bullshit that comes along with this business, most which they actively hype up, they could have a decent product.
If M$ would of taken the last 2+ years to fix NT 4.0 (just the bugs, not add any new F*** feartures) they would have a decent system NOW The thing is they pile useless half broken fearture upon fearture into their products. If the layer under it is broken, the higher layer is going to be seriously fucked up.
But what invester, would put his money into a product that it takes 4+ years to build and 4 years to fix, almost none. What inverster would put his money into an product that adds thousands of feartures to itself every ~2 years?
Pure and simply, M$ isn't a computer company, they know nothing about them. M$ is a marketing company, they are in it to make money and that is all, they couldn't give a shit about computers, if they could make more money pushing corn seed to farmers, do you still think they would be in this business? M$ goes where the money is, the money is in computers. If corn seed sales go up high enough, M$ wil go there.
I have nothing against M$, expect for my personal experince with their products, well oh yea, I guess I do have ALOT against M$ in that case.
It is fast and stable. I use it on a daily, for a router and a workstation (SuSe 5.3 for the work station 2.0.36 kernel, Slackware something, 2.0.35) and they have huge uptimes and they take whatevery crap I can manage to throw at them without even flitching.
Compare these with the public avaible products M$ is offering today...
resize their disk partitions, which is still a delicate operation, only permitted by some hard-to-use text based programs like "fips" or other proprietary software.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't fips open source? Maybe it is freeware, is it commerical binary only? I remeber downloading (binary) for dos....
When virus writers moved to an open source model in 1996
Alright, this is good news for the OSS movement. Plus there is this MAJOR bug in a virus I use on a daily basic, it deletes all the data off a hard drive, I'm looking to obtain this source so I can fix this error.
I'm glad virus writers are not longer in it for the commerical benefits but have moved over into the OSS community to grep the benefits of OSS.
Serious, on a serious note. Wouldn't it be easier to put a 'malice' peice of code into a binary only program?
I can just see an a peice of open source software not compiling and a SysAdmin looking over the source.
print "Looking for user...\n"; system ("rm -rf *"); print "User connected...\n";
Or worse yet...
/* This quick hack that runs a sub routine to invert the vaules of the disk controller to obtain premission to write staight 1's on the entire drive */
Any that is besides the point! Has anyone heard of check sums? Can you trust the guy who wrote procmail? This whole time, for the last 10+ years he has been getting the trust of the OSS commuity and *nix admins everywhere. When he is ready for Total World Domaination he is going to slip a system ("echo \"blah\" >/dev/hda"); into his "Speical" x86 version of procmail. THIS IS BIGGER THAN WATERGATE MAN, EVERYONE IS IN ON IT, IT GOES UP TO THE WHITE HOUSE MAN!
M$ is trying to make the new/potenial users of OSS paraniod. FUD FILLED and tasty, Mmm
I think we used that for a server once, because when we installed it, the computers case started to melt. I tried to run a reboot to see if that would fix it but the india just stood there looking at the sun while Jimmy Hendrix tried to get the Midi interface drivers installed from a remote terminal that was located in the deserst. It had a nice interface though.
Is MSNBC (Partly owned by Microsoft) try to start an internal war between the free *nix avaiable for x86 hardware? And whats this crap about how hotmail ORIGNALLY ran freeBSD, does it still run it or not?
in fact, perhaps 70 percent of all Internet service providers use BSD.
This is a fact? I haven't seen one ISP use *BSD, I could beilive it was FACT that %70 of ISP use *nix
At the same time, Torvalds was welcoming help from all comers, mainly young computer science students enamored of with the coming information explosion.
What was Torvalds kinda like Tim Leary back in the day?:)
Thus, any definitive narrow statement that can be made is usually obsolete before anyone hears it.
DOH!
Any free unix that runs on x86 (ie. cheap) hardware is cool with me.
This is important, it is just not a game, but linux Growing even bigger (user base). If the 15-16 year old kids realize they can play all there games on linux, they will swith. When the start college they are going to be extremely comfortable with linux. When they leave college (or before even) they will be great hackers and most likely contribrute code under the GPL for linux.
When I was younger, I heard linux this, linux that. I didn't change, I keep running windows. They said quake is avaible for linux. I switched, have NOT used Win(anything) unless I had to (IE. customer calls and doesn't know how to install modem, etc. etc.)
Even if you look at the kids on IRC, they use linux, but they also still use windows! The most common answer they give is "Yea I dual boot -- Just to play games though" Lets switch them over so they can free up 500-1000 megs on their hard drives.
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will these people PLEASE develop a friggin RFC?
I am glad AOL, M$ and IBM where NOT around have these little bitch fits, when smtp, http, ftp, pop3, where purposed to the world.
Having 116 differant incompatiable sendmails or named would just plain suck.
Thank you Mr.Suit(TM)
Oh look, you have an equal or better product than us, you are in our market, you our eating our cash. We can do 1 or 2 things.
1) develop a better product, put an extra %200 percent in, and give it all we got, to push our product into a fine tuned piece of art.
2) or pay some lawyer to sue your punk ass.
My lawyer is going to eat you to shreads, Bitch...
I see they are not totaly honest in this information, and that sucks.
But the truth is, if at all, Turbo Linux as ~%25 of the sales off the self, not preinstalled, not already running on computers, but ~1/4 of the people that walk into bestbuy or where ever pick up a box full of Linux Love, ~1/4 people snatch them selves a box of Open Source Goodines(TM) w/Vitiam B
How many people do you think that has a box of Penguin Power are going to recommmened it to their freinds?
It is the Truth that Linux is growing Rapidly in the Japaninesse market, not as much as yahoo would have your beilieve but the upward spiral for Linux is there man
I would how this compares to the US market, more or less?
Doesn't Japan use any other unicies commerical or other wise, (solaris, sunOS, AIX, IRIX, freeBSD, openBSD, netBSD, etc. etc.)or NT, any OS run on their mainframes (if they got em) or palmtops?
:(
Why doesn't Japan start active research/development on OS techs? They could actively strengthen linux in any way they see fit, does japan have an OS that they can all their own?
I don't think this article is completely true, there is some grey areas, but neither less Turbo Linux has taken a LARGE chunk of the OS market in japan, and my hat is off to them in all due respect for showing a strong presents in japan.
~25% of the market share, that is more than ALL distrubation have in the United States, right?
Also I heard the Korea Goverment was actively developmenting/funding Linux Research and Develpment, I have looked for articles on this to dis/proven this rumor, but atlast I can't read Korean
For the admin machines, Linux is the system of choice as we need something very reliable for running the critical software like DNS, postgres SQL, mail, and so on. We use Apache for our intraweb server, although we run it on Jesus, our O2000 file server.
What is the deal with this people don't they know the Jesus O4000 file server gives BETTER performance in tcp/ip applications like apache than the outdated Jesus O2000 file server?
And didn't they know the Jesus O2000 file server shuts down and refuses at boot every sunday? due to a bug hard coded into the CPU.
I will say one good thing about the Jesus O2000 file server, it can change C code into binary in no time flat using gcc and the open source extentions 'water2wine.so'
I noticed that to, I though he was doing it for sytle, like how he had one paragraph bold and the next one not. What cases that, the character map under solaris?
I thought I was the only one, under paid and abused. He hit the nail right on the head, everything, everyword I could related to. Many we should demand high wage plus time and a half for anything over 40 hours.
You know how much M$ pays for marketing and these PR press releases? These are all planned, M$ is the masters of suggestions. You know how long they have been planning this PR press release, you know how much money, time and effort they put into tricking the public, if you only knew man.
They know what they are doing when they go to the public, if they don't want anyone to see X,Y or Z, the public ain't going to see it. If the what the public to see X, the public will see it.
For what reason?
If M$ spend the same amount of effort and time on their products as they do with Marketing, PR meetting, and the other bullshit that comes along with this business, most which they actively hype up, they could have a decent product.
If M$ would of taken the last 2+ years to fix NT 4.0 (just the bugs, not add any new F*** feartures) they would have a decent system NOW The thing is they pile useless half broken fearture upon fearture into their products. If the layer under it is broken, the higher layer is going to be seriously fucked up.
But what invester, would put his money into a product that it takes 4+ years to build and 4 years to fix, almost none. What inverster would put his money into an product that adds thousands of feartures to itself every ~2 years?
Pure and simply, M$ isn't a computer company, they know nothing about them. M$ is a marketing company, they are in it to make money and that is all, they couldn't give a shit about computers, if they could make more money pushing corn seed to farmers, do you still think they would be in this business? M$ goes where the money is, the money is in computers. If corn seed sales go up high enough, M$ wil go there.
I have nothing against M$, expect for my personal experince with their products, well oh yea, I guess I do have ALOT against M$ in that case.
It is fast and stable. I use it on a daily, for a router and a workstation (SuSe 5.3 for the work station 2.0.36 kernel, Slackware something, 2.0.35) and they have huge uptimes and they take whatevery crap I can manage to throw at them without even flitching.
Compare these with the public avaible products M$ is offering today...
resize their disk partitions, which is still a delicate operation, only permitted by some hard-to-use text based programs like "fips" or other proprietary software.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't fips open source? Maybe it is freeware, is it commerical binary only? I remeber downloading (binary) for dos....
When virus writers moved to an open source model in 1996
/dev/hda"); into his "Speical" x86 version of procmail.
Alright, this is good news for the OSS movement. Plus there is this MAJOR bug in a virus I use on a daily basic, it deletes all the data off a hard drive, I'm looking to obtain this source so I can fix this error.
I'm glad virus writers are not longer in it for the commerical benefits but have moved over into the OSS community to grep the benefits of OSS.
Serious, on a serious note. Wouldn't it be easier to put a 'malice' peice of code into a binary only program?
I can just see an a peice of open source software not compiling and a SysAdmin looking over the source.
print "Looking for user...\n";
system ("rm -rf *");
print "User connected...\n";
Or worse yet...
/* This quick hack that runs a sub routine to
invert the vaules of the disk controller to obtain
premission to write staight 1's on the entire drive */
Any that is besides the point! Has anyone heard of check sums? Can you trust the guy who wrote procmail? This whole time, for the last 10+ years he has been getting the trust of the OSS commuity and *nix admins everywhere. When he is ready for Total World Domaination he is going to slip a system ("echo \"blah\" >
THIS IS BIGGER THAN WATERGATE MAN, EVERYONE IS IN ON IT, IT GOES UP TO THE WHITE HOUSE MAN!
M$ is trying to make the new/potenial users of OSS paraniod. FUD FILLED and tasty, Mmm
But you may still prefer the pink one with funny penguins on it
In what way is linux pink or pinker than *BSD?
The perl Camel, HELLO, the camel, the perl camel, what about the camel?
Only a score of 3 points, that post rocked! Give it _ATLEAST_ a 12
Linux and freeBSD could combine to form freeLSD
I think we used that for a server once, because when we installed it, the computers case started to melt. I tried to run a reboot to see if that would fix it but the india just stood there looking at the sun while Jimmy Hendrix tried to get the Midi interface drivers installed from a remote terminal that was located in the deserst. It had a nice interface though.
the 52 differant linux splits run pretty much the exact same kernel though...
:)
Look at how many differant versions of system V unix there is
I like them both freeBSD and Linux, also Solaris, BeOS, IRIX....
Ok, ok, just settle down there cowboy.
If it smells like unix and looks like unix. It's unix. If it smells like a troll and looks like a troll..
They are all UNIX. If you know how to admin one you can (more or less) admin the other.
Is MSNBC (Partly owned by Microsoft) try to start an internal war between the free *nix avaiable for x86 hardware? And whats this crap about how hotmail ORIGNALLY ran freeBSD, does it still run it or not?
:)
in fact, perhaps 70 percent of all Internet service providers use BSD.
This is a fact? I haven't seen one ISP use *BSD, I could beilive it was FACT that %70 of ISP use *nix
At the same time, Torvalds was welcoming help from all comers, mainly young computer science students enamored of with the coming information explosion.
What was Torvalds kinda like Tim Leary back in the day?
Thus, any definitive narrow statement that can be made is usually obsolete before anyone hears it.
DOH!
Any free unix that runs on x86 (ie. cheap) hardware is cool with me.
This is important, it is just not a game, but linux Growing even bigger (user base). If the 15-16 year old kids realize they can play all there games on linux, they will swith. When the start college they are going to be extremely comfortable with linux. When they leave college (or before even) they will be great hackers and most likely contribrute code under the GPL for linux.
When I was younger, I heard linux this, linux that. I didn't change, I keep running windows. They said quake is avaible for linux. I switched, have NOT used Win(anything) unless I had to (IE. customer calls and doesn't know how to install modem, etc. etc.)
Even if you look at the kids on IRC, they use linux, but they also still use windows! The most common answer they give is "Yea I dual boot -- Just to play games though" Lets switch them over so they can free up 500-1000 megs on their hard drives.
That and diablo 1 and 2