Read some of the work by Capers Jones he did in the 1980's for the DOD. The cost of finding and correcting a bug grows exponentially by project phase, thus a $10 fix bug in requirements is $1,000 in Coding, $10,000 in Systems Test and so on. Plus some bugs can cost customers money, and in the software I used to write they can cost LIVES. I can't stress enough to do a design review, code walkthrus, unit test, integration test, have an independant system level test and then it's getting pretty darn close. Bad code is produced more by getting in a hurry or by a lazy programmer, not from a lack of skill.
Good one! I prefer the one that says "The first 90% of the solution takes the first 90% of the schedule, the last 10% takes the second 90% of the schedule". I think Murphy came up with that one.
" Almost all the people I know who have become successful managers have never been real programmers"...well,meet one more. I have been a coder for many years in embedded systems work, and also in the web area. And I have (and do) manage teams of programmers and analysts. The reason most geeks don't want to manage is simple..It is HARDER than coding. No debuggers, no error messages, no recomplies, it has to be right the first time. And Senior Management expects it!! Plus the skills are mostly people skills, something IMNSHO a lot of "geeks" have trouble with. People solutions are generally not right/wrong they are somewhere in the middle, they are kinda "fuzzy" which bothers the logical programmers mind. But those "soft" management skills CAN be learned if you try. In my 22 yrs in IT I've been up the Management chain to mid-level and back down and over to Sr. Technical Staff. I prefer the Technical work, but it is getting HARD to find, so I have my PM skills to fall back on. Versatility in roles, as well as in programming skills is valuable! Oh,and don't get me started on my soapbox about how Leadership is MUCH more valuable than management, but it is in every scarcer supply in the tech world. Set reasonable expectations but hold them to it, give people room to work, help them with problems, keep the customer informed and off the programmers backs and you'll do OK in Managment.
they just set the salary level so that only an H1-B/recent grad will take it, and if no one applies with the skills for that pay then they outsource it to India by stating no one here meets the requirements. Then in press releases about job losses they lament the poor education system that does not produce those skills in graduates.
It does cost something to the city to track who is doing what where. I'm sure these fees have been protested in court cases, and I'm sure they have been upheld. If you don't like it, take the demonstration to another city where the rules may be more lax.
No where is the Constitution does it say the right to free speech is the most important. Does it really outweigh any of the others? The are ALL important, and "rating" them is s feeble attempt to limit the rights given by saying well "that one is not an important right".
Umm..No..but read "Kiln People" by David Brin to see someone take your idea about Uploading personality to a "clone". Very good novel...Cutting edge stuff..Would put it on my top 25 list.
Ummm..NO..Photons ARE the particles/waves that we see as "light". Being Light they can't travel faster than themselves.
Oh, and light is a part of the electromagnetic spectrum..so wrong again. Light travels (at different speeds) in all sort of mediums, electromagnetic or not.
To perform your model one would first have to understand all the chemistry of the human body. That is going to take some time, even with "quantum computing". The easy part is running the model, the hard part is coming up with the right model and then validating the results.
Really, Theism? Gosh the founding of this country was by those who escaped religous persecution, but 200 yrs later they suffer the same fate from a panel of judges from their own nation. A-Fing-Mazing. The Founding Fathers (and Mothers) must be spinning in thier graves. It is well known that the Founding Fathers wished this nation to rely on spiritual guidance as did they. I gueess the next thing to go will be the opening Prayer for Congress. Can't have any religous aspects in Government can we? I surely can't see RESPECTING the ROLE of Relgion in our nation past and present that the Gov't is PROMOTING any TYPE of Relgion. That Amendment was written so that ANY legitimate sect or organization could practice Religion in the US of A. In other words, Bhuddists and Baptists are both welcome. This amemdment , along with the First Amendment ("free speech") are so misunderstood. I lay that at the feet of the liberal History teachers and also at the feet of the parents who don't correct the doggerel taught in the schools. What's next, the Nazi's and 9-11 Terrorists were the "good guys"?
Great selective quoting..I RTFA at FindLaw, did you? The case you cite [Guillford] was NOT about anything other than the instructions given jurors regarding the law. The defendant was busted for harrasing a police officer and resisting arrest.
"McKinney" was a false arrest for sidewalk chalk as the letter of the law said "liquid" not chalk, and the officers should have know so. Unless you can quote the NYC statute they busted him under and show me they were in error the arrest is valid.
You quote strictly 9th Circuit Decisions, which is a court known to be very liberal in it's application of the law. This Circuit loves to make law from the Bench. This is the SAME court that banned the Pledge of Allegiance because of the words "Under God". Also 9th Circuit is the West Coast and thier decision carry pretty much zero weight in New York. There is an order of precedence in how decisions are applied in cases, and using another Circuit Court decsion is pretty low on that list. There was a good post about this on GrokLaw yesterday,I think it was from Quartermass.
So, your arguments are specious. Move to strike, your honor, on the grounds the arguments do not adress the point of law at hand.
THere is nothing illegal about a person carrying a protest sign in NYC. You just can't organize a group that blocks traffic, creates a nuisance, or disrupts the normal flow of things. Groups require permits so the city knows what is going on and is can be sure to allocate resources for traffic, law enforcement, safety etc. That just makes sense. Just remember your Free Speech rights stop when they start stomping on the rights of others. That has been well decided law in the US for many many years.
Good point! These days the wealthy usually do things like buy professional sports teams! IMNSHO, Funding an educational endeavor does a lot more long term good for society than say donating to the local Arts Guild. Of course there are always exceptions to this where wealthy folks donate to very good causes in very big ways, but that rarely get any press coverage. The only really big one I can think of is the Gates Foundation which seems to get lots of press.
Perhaps these guys just want to invest some of that money in a)neat nifty things like nano-tech b) the Elevator as a type of "philanthrophy", which rich people have always done in the USA, but other than Andrew Mellon who founded a university, it has mostly gone to the arts c) e trying to outdo Paul Allen who has invested in the X-Prize entry from Burt Rutan...a Space Elevator would make the X-prize look like a cheap trophy.
Oh, and what do these guys care if Google has a rough spell, they can't spend all the money that they have NOW. I don't see Google hiting any bad lows in the next few years, but there could be some technology hiding out there that trumps then.
True..but it has darn near put those tools out of business except in certain niche markets. Even authors of textbooks are now using MS-Word and authors of text novels have long used it. I myself have written 200 page plus technical specifications with illustrations and figures using it. So it's become sort of ubiquitos even if it is no where near the best tool, the MS hype has gotten market share for it. Kinda like that other MS product..what's it called...WinBlows;)
" The individual bonuses range in size from $5,000 to $8 million. They were awarded to a broad range of senior employees, with an emphasis on energy traders" yet the first paragraph says 292 executives? Kinda odd that discrepnancy!! The energy traders were just buying and selling like all traders do. They didn't set up the scam, they didn't make the rules, they just made the plays, and made money on the spread. They are only guilty by association for doing a good job nothing else. Lay, Skilling and those guys are the really bad guys. Oh, and your source is 10 months out of date. A lot has happened since then. Several execs have spilled their guts to get less time so the real truth about who was the villian is going to come out soon.
Ditto, ever get a REALLY big document into Word, say 100's of pages..it gets nasty to work with. And importing things from Excel, Powerpoint, etc. can get hairy. If you are doing small,simple documents you don't notice the issues with Word. But it is far from being a Desktop Publishing system.
No, they represent the REALLY big ones that got caught and paraded as a warning that even the big fish fall.
The investors in the case of Strong Funds can file civil suits, so justice can he had. Giving up a mega-million dollar high profile job is pretty bad punishment. When you spent 20-30 yrs getting to the top and then have it taken away thats a big hit. Sure, jail time might have been better, but at least they got the crook out. Better than waiting thru a few years of court cases and appeals while he continued to screw investors.
ALL the Sr. Enron execs who came up the the scams are convicted and doing time except Lay (so far). You really should check your facts. The Feds have hit Enron HARD.
Really? "Rich and Powerful get away with it"? Want to explain that to Martha Stewart, Ken Lay and the gang from Enron, Ivan Boesky, Micheal Milliken, and others. They get away with it for a WHILE but in the long run they get lazy and think they have it made. Then mistakes happen and they get caught.
Seized property can be used to help pay the Government bill for investigation and prosecution. That's the law. And yes, it is often abused and has been by the last 4 or 5 AG's so don't go hammering Ashcroft. I mean why should the Fed's get to keep the whole car if the drugs were only in the back seat?;)
Knowing there was one crime the FBI is checking those other machines to see if this was only the tip of the iceberg. Then they have a "continuing criminal enterprise" case against the CEO. Thats a LOT of hard time for him.
Easiest thing to do would be take out the hard drives and send the PCs back to the company. If the disks show nothing, send them back too. But the Gov't moves slow and rarely uses common sense so don't expect your PC back soon.
Easy to fix that name recognition problem. Just get a court to offically change your name. Of course you might also have trouble getting a job with No work history and no degree under that name. Over time the stigma will fade, so get enough money to live while flipping burgers for a couple years.
I got a price quote on my Desk for $25,000 a Terrabyte from EMC, and that is at the 25% discount we get as a large customer. And those ARE ATA drives. Now if you don't want hot spares, then the prices go down.
Management software. Thats more than Linux. In fact only the very latest releases of Linux will address more than 1TB of data. But all these drives have to be managed and look like 1 (or more)huge drives, the File Systems of Linux lay overtop of this software.
How do I know this? Over the last few months I just built a 16TB SAN as part of a development environment of about 30 RHEL boxes working as servers for developers all over the country (USA).
Last time I looked (been about 3 yrs) a good robot tape library was at least 500K PLUS Tapes. Cheaper than a SAN for sure! But it has it own issues, you do still see them used a lot for massive backups and also offline storage.
Your point that they don't really care about reliability is good. After all someone will just upload a new copy if the disk crashes. But if you are RAIDed and you lose a drive it can be rebuilt, it just takes time.
Maybe if you were using IDE drives, but SAN Technology is SCSI or ATA which are much more expensive but much faster transfer rate, plus you need software to manage all those drives. And you need hot spares and you need backup even with RAID 5...that all gets very expensive. I seriously doubt there was more than 1 Petabyte in ALL the hubs they "raided".
My Bad...missed a zero there..
Last time I priced it SAN storage from EMC it was about $25K a TB so that makes 1PetaByte 1024*$25,000 or about 26 MILLION bucks. Must be nice to have that kinda money for home equipment!
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Ditto!!! See my post in this same thread. Capers Jones at Southern Cal did the exponential cost model you are quoting.
Read some of the work by Capers Jones he did in the 1980's for the DOD. The cost of finding and correcting a bug grows exponentially by project phase, thus a $10 fix bug in requirements is $1,000 in Coding, $10,000 in Systems Test and so on. Plus some bugs can cost customers money, and in the software I used to write they can cost LIVES. I can't stress enough to do a design review, code walkthrus, unit test, integration test, have an independant system level test and then it's getting pretty darn close. Bad code is produced more by getting in a hurry or by a lazy programmer, not from a lack of skill.
Good one! I prefer the one that says "The first 90% of the solution takes the first 90% of the schedule, the last 10% takes the second 90% of the schedule". I think Murphy came up with that one.
" Almost all the people I know who have become successful managers have never been real programmers"...well,meet one more. I have been a coder for many years in embedded systems work, and also in the web area. And I have (and do) manage teams of programmers and analysts. The reason most geeks don't want to manage is simple..It is HARDER than coding. No debuggers, no error messages, no recomplies, it has to be right the first time. And Senior Management expects it!! Plus the skills are mostly people skills, something IMNSHO a lot of "geeks" have trouble with. People solutions are generally not right/wrong they are somewhere in the middle, they are kinda "fuzzy" which bothers the logical programmers mind. But those "soft" management skills CAN be learned if you try. In my 22 yrs in IT I've been up the Management chain to mid-level and back down and over to Sr. Technical Staff. I prefer the Technical work, but it is getting HARD to find, so I have my PM skills to fall back on. Versatility in roles, as well as in programming skills is valuable! Oh,and don't get me started on my soapbox about how Leadership is MUCH more valuable than management, but it is in every scarcer supply in the tech world. Set reasonable expectations but hold them to it, give people room to work, help them with problems, keep the customer informed and off the programmers backs and you'll do OK in Managment.
they just set the salary level so that only an H1-B/recent grad will take it, and if no one applies with the skills for that pay then they outsource it to India by stating no one here meets the requirements. Then in press releases about job losses they lament the poor education system that does not produce those skills in graduates.
It does cost something to the city to track who is doing what where. I'm sure these fees have been protested in court cases, and I'm sure they have been upheld. If you don't like it, take the demonstration to another city where the rules may be more lax. No where is the Constitution does it say the right to free speech is the most important. Does it really outweigh any of the others? The are ALL important, and "rating" them is s feeble attempt to limit the rights given by saying well "that one is not an important right".
Umm..No..but read "Kiln People" by David Brin to see someone take your idea about Uploading personality to a "clone". Very good novel...Cutting edge stuff..Would put it on my top 25 list.
Ummm..NO..Photons ARE the particles/waves that we see as "light". Being Light they can't travel faster than themselves. Oh, and light is a part of the electromagnetic spectrum..so wrong again. Light travels (at different speeds) in all sort of mediums, electromagnetic or not. To perform your model one would first have to understand all the chemistry of the human body. That is going to take some time, even with "quantum computing". The easy part is running the model, the hard part is coming up with the right model and then validating the results.
Really, Theism? Gosh the founding of this country was by those who escaped religous persecution, but 200 yrs later they suffer the same fate from a panel of judges from their own nation. A-Fing-Mazing. The Founding Fathers (and Mothers) must be spinning in thier graves. It is well known that the Founding Fathers wished this nation to rely on spiritual guidance as did they. I gueess the next thing to go will be the opening Prayer for Congress. Can't have any religous aspects in Government can we? I surely can't see RESPECTING the ROLE of Relgion in our nation past and present that the Gov't is PROMOTING any TYPE of Relgion. That Amendment was written so that ANY legitimate sect or organization could practice Religion in the US of A. In other words, Bhuddists and Baptists are both welcome. This amemdment , along with the First Amendment ("free speech") are so misunderstood. I lay that at the feet of the liberal History teachers and also at the feet of the parents who don't correct the doggerel taught in the schools. What's next, the Nazi's and 9-11 Terrorists were the "good guys"?
Yes, Hill is a precedent although a narrow one. The parent was basing (I thought) off 9th Circuit Cases which I thought was wrong.
Great selective quoting..I RTFA at FindLaw, did you? The case you cite [Guillford] was NOT about anything other than the instructions given jurors regarding the law. The defendant was busted for harrasing a police officer and resisting arrest. "McKinney" was a false arrest for sidewalk chalk as the letter of the law said "liquid" not chalk, and the officers should have know so. Unless you can quote the NYC statute they busted him under and show me they were in error the arrest is valid. You quote strictly 9th Circuit Decisions, which is a court known to be very liberal in it's application of the law. This Circuit loves to make law from the Bench. This is the SAME court that banned the Pledge of Allegiance because of the words "Under God". Also 9th Circuit is the West Coast and thier decision carry pretty much zero weight in New York. There is an order of precedence in how decisions are applied in cases, and using another Circuit Court decsion is pretty low on that list. There was a good post about this on GrokLaw yesterday,I think it was from Quartermass. So, your arguments are specious. Move to strike, your honor, on the grounds the arguments do not adress the point of law at hand.
THere is nothing illegal about a person carrying a protest sign in NYC. You just can't organize a group that blocks traffic, creates a nuisance, or disrupts the normal flow of things. Groups require permits so the city knows what is going on and is can be sure to allocate resources for traffic, law enforcement, safety etc. That just makes sense. Just remember your Free Speech rights stop when they start stomping on the rights of others. That has been well decided law in the US for many many years.
Good point! These days the wealthy usually do things like buy professional sports teams! IMNSHO, Funding an educational endeavor does a lot more long term good for society than say donating to the local Arts Guild. Of course there are always exceptions to this where wealthy folks donate to very good causes in very big ways, but that rarely get any press coverage. The only really big one I can think of is the Gates Foundation which seems to get lots of press.
Perhaps these guys just want to invest some of that money in a)neat nifty things like nano-tech b) the Elevator as a type of "philanthrophy", which rich people have always done in the USA, but other than Andrew Mellon who founded a university, it has mostly gone to the arts c) e trying to outdo Paul Allen who has invested in the X-Prize entry from Burt Rutan...a Space Elevator would make the X-prize look like a cheap trophy. Oh, and what do these guys care if Google has a rough spell, they can't spend all the money that they have NOW. I don't see Google hiting any bad lows in the next few years, but there could be some technology hiding out there that trumps then.
True..but it has darn near put those tools out of business except in certain niche markets. Even authors of textbooks are now using MS-Word and authors of text novels have long used it. I myself have written 200 page plus technical specifications with illustrations and figures using it. So it's become sort of ubiquitos even if it is no where near the best tool, the MS hype has gotten market share for it. Kinda like that other MS product..what's it called...WinBlows ;)
" The individual bonuses range in size from $5,000 to $8 million. They were awarded to a broad range of senior employees, with an emphasis on energy traders" yet the first paragraph says 292 executives? Kinda odd that discrepnancy!! The energy traders were just buying and selling like all traders do. They didn't set up the scam, they didn't make the rules, they just made the plays, and made money on the spread. They are only guilty by association for doing a good job nothing else. Lay, Skilling and those guys are the really bad guys. Oh, and your source is 10 months out of date. A lot has happened since then. Several execs have spilled their guts to get less time so the real truth about who was the villian is going to come out soon.
Unless you have a VERY unique look, or spend lots of time on TV or on the front page no one is going to know who you are. Thats a bogus argument.
Ditto, ever get a REALLY big document into Word, say 100's of pages..it gets nasty to work with. And importing things from Excel, Powerpoint, etc. can get hairy. If you are doing small,simple documents you don't notice the issues with Word. But it is far from being a Desktop Publishing system.
No, they represent the REALLY big ones that got caught and paraded as a warning that even the big fish fall. The investors in the case of Strong Funds can file civil suits, so justice can he had. Giving up a mega-million dollar high profile job is pretty bad punishment. When you spent 20-30 yrs getting to the top and then have it taken away thats a big hit. Sure, jail time might have been better, but at least they got the crook out. Better than waiting thru a few years of court cases and appeals while he continued to screw investors. ALL the Sr. Enron execs who came up the the scams are convicted and doing time except Lay (so far). You really should check your facts. The Feds have hit Enron HARD.
Really? "Rich and Powerful get away with it"? Want to explain that to Martha Stewart, Ken Lay and the gang from Enron, Ivan Boesky, Micheal Milliken, and others. They get away with it for a WHILE but in the long run they get lazy and think they have it made. Then mistakes happen and they get caught.
Seized property can be used to help pay the Government bill for investigation and prosecution. That's the law. And yes, it is often abused and has been by the last 4 or 5 AG's so don't go hammering Ashcroft. I mean why should the Fed's get to keep the whole car if the drugs were only in the back seat? ;)
Knowing there was one crime the FBI is checking those other machines to see if this was only the tip of the iceberg. Then they have a "continuing criminal enterprise" case against the CEO. Thats a LOT of hard time for him.
Easiest thing to do would be take out the hard drives and send the PCs back to the company. If the disks show nothing, send them back too. But the Gov't moves slow and rarely uses common sense so don't expect your PC back soon.
Easy to fix that name recognition problem. Just get a court to offically change your name. Of course you might also have trouble getting a job with No work history and no degree under that name. Over time the stigma will fade, so get enough money to live while flipping burgers for a couple years.
I got a price quote on my Desk for $25,000 a Terrabyte from EMC, and that is at the 25% discount we get as a large customer. And those ARE ATA drives. Now if you don't want hot spares, then the prices go down. Management software. Thats more than Linux. In fact only the very latest releases of Linux will address more than 1TB of data. But all these drives have to be managed and look like 1 (or more)huge drives, the File Systems of Linux lay overtop of this software. How do I know this? Over the last few months I just built a 16TB SAN as part of a development environment of about 30 RHEL boxes working as servers for developers all over the country (USA). Last time I looked (been about 3 yrs) a good robot tape library was at least 500K PLUS Tapes. Cheaper than a SAN for sure! But it has it own issues, you do still see them used a lot for massive backups and also offline storage. Your point that they don't really care about reliability is good. After all someone will just upload a new copy if the disk crashes. But if you are RAIDed and you lose a drive it can be rebuilt, it just takes time.
Maybe if you were using IDE drives, but SAN Technology is SCSI or ATA which are much more expensive but much faster transfer rate, plus you need software to manage all those drives. And you need hot spares and you need backup even with RAID 5...that all gets very expensive. I seriously doubt there was more than 1 Petabyte in ALL the hubs they "raided".
My Bad...missed a zero there.. Last time I priced it SAN storage from EMC it was about $25K a TB so that makes 1PetaByte 1024*$25,000 or about 26 MILLION bucks. Must be nice to have that kinda money for home equipment!