Take the great open source program MapServer for example, which generates maps for websites, and can be run as a CGI or through php (or a few other ways), on just about any OS.
Maybe MapServer's developers are just better programmers, but they've found that CGI really isn't significantly slower in this application.
For mapserver users, there may be reasons to develop websites using php for certain types of data pre-processing during the dynamic generation of a map, although I've never encountered anything that required php mapscript that couldn't be done with CGI and a little asp/javascript on the side,... but avoiding the overhead of CGI really isn't a valid reason for this application.
The mapserver developers have however recently added support for fastCGI to placate the paranoid, which does not need to spawn a new process for each request... and then reminded everyone a few times that there's no reason at all to run out and re-write our websites to utilize it.
In fact in the MapServer example using CGI makes for much simpler applications, where I don't have to program every single little step required for the map to be created, but i still have the full ability to create the website and map however I like.
Just because php is available doesnt mean its logical to use it and abandon the other ways that are simpler and have no significant drawbacks.
"4. Gloves should be worn during any cleanup procedure because the heat of one's hand will melt the surface of small amounts of gallium that will then interact with the moisture in the skin, coating the skin with gallium oxide."
"5. Approved respirators should be worn during cleanup because small particles of gallium oxide and other compounds can become airborne and be inhaled or ingested."
"Very little toxicological data is available on Ga effects in humans. Experiments in general, on the Ga-containing drugs have shown that anorexia, nausea, vomiting, skin rashes, and depression of red and white blood cell counts can occur. Other clinical experiments on Ga-containing drugs have resulted in some bone marrow depression, dermatitis and severe itching and gastrointestinal disturbances."
"ACUTE EFFECTS
Harmful if inhaled or swallowed.
May cause eye irritation.
May cause skin irritation.
To the best of our knowledge, the chemical, physical, and toxicological properties have not been thoroughly investigated."
"Chronic Overexposure: gastrointestinal problems, skin and hemorrhagic nephritis resulting from soluble gallium salts"
There's nothing like a little hemorrhagic nephritis to make your day memorable.
While its true that gallium appears to be not very toxic on its own, it is also true that extensive tests of gallium's toxicity on humans has not been done.
The real danger is releasing gallium that is then allowed to react with other chemicals which produce much more toxic, and sometimes explosive products.
You do realize that the US plan that hit the Tram cable was piloted by a damn fool american pilot trying to show off, who screwed up, murdering those 40 people in the process. not a regular flight with a normal pilot.
I doubt that a plane travelling at any significant height above the ground could intentionally hit the elevator cable. It would be too thin to see until you were too close to steer into it.
So the people who made the PDF didnt know what the were doing when they thought they were censoring the PDF.
That does not imply that the software was at fault.
Who here hasn't taken an unlocked / un-encrypted PDF and opened it with CorelDraw or other similar programs, to make changes when the source document wasn't available?
Feel free to be entertained as much as you like. It's for the greater good.
No doubt by reading my posts, it will leave less time for you to drown puppies, trip old ladies, and hunt down children for whatever evil purposes reside in your head.
So really, everyone benefits by you reading my posts.
Carry on.
And while you are at it, dig deeper... and notice the large number of positive mods to my posts, quite a trick you have there, of jumping in after the odd person has modded me down, after 5 or 6 have modded me up.
Maybe you can use that taxpayer funded super computer to figure it all out.
Sorry buddy, but you will have to tell all the users of your computers that you're a dumbass that screwed them out of the full performance of their computers.
Maybe you forgot to enable HT in bios.
Does it hurt much to know how wrong you are, and how much the rest of us are benefitting from the technology you forgot to enable?
Where did i mention windows 2000?... Although another person has informed us that it too is multithreaded, like Windows XP.
NO SHIT acad is single threaded, along with nearly every other program out there! Didnt it occur to you that a second program running is the second thread?
Now 2 programs will get real work done at the same time instead of just the main program with secondary programs getting whatever spare cpu cycles are left over. The multi-threading capabilities of Windows allows this to work efficiently by sheduling the programs between the CPU's.
I refer to having a pair of ~75mb dwg's open in ACAD 2004 while having ArcGIS 9 (ArcView and ArcCalogue), plus all the usual background programs (Outlook, Firefox, textpad, etc) running.
It takes 3 or 4 minutes for it to save one of those ACAD files, even though the actual saving only takes 5-10 seconds. The delay is before it actually saves. Switching back to ACAD from ArcGIS leaves me with a non-responding ACAD for upto 10 minutes. Switching between the pair of ACAD files or even simply copying and pasting features from one ACAD file to the other takes a similar time.
If I could get by running just ACAD with just one file open, its not a problem, the delays disappear.
This is on a 2.4ghz P4, 1gig ram, crappy video card.
read the reviews at www.anandtech.com. I will benefit plenty from dual core. (admittedly along with the rest of my machine being replaced as well)
Lets all bow before the great master, who when attacked, pretends he's all high and mighty, looking down his nose at us all while he hides behind his supercomputer paid for by the taxpayer.... while we mere mortals try to eak out a living on our workstations, for companies that must make a profit to survive without any tasty taxpayer money to throw at a supercomputer.
Come on, you just can't take the truth can you? The fact that Windows will benefit from dual core just pains you to the core!... just to the core, no dual-core for you!
New Axiom to Remember: geomon enjoys making incredibly obvious statements to heckle other posters that have made obvious statements.
How's your karma? is it being used to hide all your posts from everyone, or is it boosting your posts beyond the anonymous coward filters most people have set?
Or did you respond to me as an AC because you stay awake at night worrying about your precious karma, unable to risk 'geomon's' enourmous reputation?
Don't care? Then why post at all? Just to hear yourself talk to yourself?
You could care less?... well obviously you could care less!... you cared enough to respond, so you most definately do care some! Thanks!
But Hey, don't assume I love all things MS, I just can't take all the BULLSHIT the linux fanboys spew forth, as if they have a monopoly on any kind of productivity, while they hide the difficulty most people face in trying to make anything work properly at all.
I've got plenty of complaints against windows, just like I also have against every linux based system I've had to bash my head against to make work.
Dont like my posts? Dont read them!... or better yet, keep reading them, get more stressed, and give yourself that early heart attack you appear to be heading for.
Or maybe you'll get my point, get a dual core processor and get enough work done that you can spend more time at home relaxing instead of pulling your hair out.
And I never contested that... Perhaps you didnt notice that I was pointing out that windows is not nearly as limited as gerbilboy said... or is that you responding with no balls as an anonymous coward?
Its also been proven (by your very statement) that you are narrow minded.
Shall I sit at my computer twiddling my thumbs while I wait an hour or so for a complex GIS spatial analysis to complete?... Or, shall I continue to be productive for my company and work on other tasks?
Windows XP itself is already multithreaded. Your multi-tasking that you do all the time now, probably without even realizing you are doing it, will be much smoother with dual core.
Go to www.anandtech.com and read their multi-tasking dual core review and try not to fall over after seeing the huge benefits. Yes, its like hyperthreading... but in this case your background applications are actually getting lots of work done!
Now to clear up your other ignorant statements:
YES you CAN assign a program to a specific processor in windows.
Microsoft declared that one socket = one CPU. You will not need XP Pro to use a dual core processor. XP Home will take full advantage of a dual core processor the same way it it takes full advantage of hyperthreading. Other companies that sell software licenses based on CPU's have done the same as Microsoft, Oracle for example.
really its the bloat! its not all the other tasks you run at the same time today that you never would have attempted to run at the same time 5 years ago, such as play MP3's and having a dozen other windows / applications running in the background.
Really its the bloat! the fact that you use your computer differently today than you used to is irrelevant!/sarcasm off
There has never been a logical response by an anonymous coward.
I said buy a motherboard at the usual cost. Buy a dual core processor for ~$80 more than a non-dual core... instead of buying a dual socket board for an extra ~400, plus by a second CPU at full cost.
Can't you see the price advantage of a dual core system?
Thats on the Intel side... on the AMD side, they have declared that their dual core processors will work in existing socket 939 boards with a bios update... so if you need a new board, its the fault of the manufacturer of your your existing board not updating their bios for you.
Microsoft said 6 months or so ago that one socket = one CPU. Other software vendors that license based on CPU did the same... Oracle is an example.
XP Home will take one physical CPU... one socket, but takes full use of hyperthreading.. a second virtual CPU, and will do the same with two cores in one socket.
Similarly, XP Pro will make full use of two sockets... 2 dual core processors.
Loose some of your hate for windows, and you might just get to take advantage of all this tasty new technology.
Go to www.anandtech.com and read the reviews on how dual core helps tremendously for common multi-tasking uses. Productivity jumps immensly.
Hyperthreading made huge improvements to my multi-tasking between intensive CAD and GIS applications.
With dual core, those applications won't just pop up fast when switching between them like they now do with hyperthreading, they will actually both be getting real work done.
Windows XP is multi-threaded. Your suspicions are very much true.
Wait a couple months til when you can buy the processor and motherboards and assemble yourself.
You will only be paying ~$80 more for the dual core CPU, and the usual price for the motherboard.
But if you're the kind of dumbass who buys crappy Dell systems filled with their borderline functional generic parts, with tremendous price markups, then maybe you deserve to be separated from your money.
Slashdot Mirror
Its not so clean cut.
... and then reminded everyone a few times that there's no reason at all to run out and re-write our websites to utilize it.
Take the great open source program MapServer for example, which generates maps for websites, and can be run as a CGI or through php (or a few other ways), on just about any OS.
Maybe MapServer's developers are just better programmers, but they've found that CGI really isn't significantly slower in this application.
For mapserver users, there may be reasons to develop websites using php for certain types of data pre-processing during the dynamic generation of a map, although I've never encountered anything that required php mapscript that couldn't be done with CGI and a little asp/javascript on the side,... but avoiding the overhead of CGI really isn't a valid reason for this application.
The mapserver developers have however recently added support for fastCGI to placate the paranoid, which does not need to spawn a new process for each request
In fact in the MapServer example using CGI makes for much simpler applications, where I don't have to program every single little step required for the map to be created, but i still have the full ability to create the website and map however I like.
Just because php is available doesnt mean its logical to use it and abandon the other ways that are simpler and have no significant drawbacks.
On behalf of every windows hater here (well, its slashdot so that's everyone) ....
lalalalalallalalala!
I can't hear you!
"4. Gloves should be worn during any cleanup procedure because the heat of one's hand will melt the surface of small amounts of gallium that will then interact with the moisture in the skin, coating the skin with gallium oxide."
"5. Approved respirators should be worn during cleanup because small particles of gallium oxide and other compounds can become airborne and be inhaled or ingested."
"Very little toxicological data is available on Ga effects in humans. Experiments in general, on the Ga-containing drugs have shown that anorexia, nausea, vomiting, skin rashes, and depression of red and white blood cell counts can occur. Other clinical experiments on Ga-containing drugs have resulted in some bone marrow depression, dermatitis and severe itching and gastrointestinal disturbances."
"ACUTE EFFECTS
Harmful if inhaled or swallowed.
May cause eye irritation.
May cause skin irritation.
To the best of our knowledge, the chemical, physical, and toxicological properties have not been thoroughly investigated."
"Chronic Overexposure:
gastrointestinal problems, skin and hemorrhagic nephritis resulting from soluble gallium salts"
There's nothing like a little hemorrhagic nephritis to make your day memorable.
While its true that gallium appears to be not very toxic on its own, it is also true that extensive tests of gallium's toxicity on humans has not been done.
w w.aps.anl.gov/xfd/tech_bulletins/tb4/TB-4_Appendix _A.html+gallium+poison&hl=en&start=19
The real danger is releasing gallium that is then allowed to react with other chemicals which produce much more toxic, and sometimes explosive products.
http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:7YXh1XFpnngJ:w
Did you notice that the company in the article never actually mentions what metal they are using anywhere on their website?
You do realize that the US plan that hit the Tram cable was piloted by a damn fool american pilot trying to show off, who screwed up, murdering those 40 people in the process. not a regular flight with a normal pilot.
I doubt that a plane travelling at any significant height above the ground could intentionally hit the elevator cable. It would be too thin to see until you were too close to steer into it.
Big fat hairy deal.
So the people who made the PDF didnt know what the were doing when they thought they were censoring the PDF.
That does not imply that the software was at fault.
Who here hasn't taken an unlocked / un-encrypted PDF and opened it with CorelDraw or other similar programs, to make changes when the source document wasn't available?
Feel free to be entertained as much as you like. It's for the greater good.
... and notice the large number of positive mods to my posts, quite a trick you have there, of jumping in after the odd person has modded me down, after 5 or 6 have modded me up.
No doubt by reading my posts, it will leave less time for you to drown puppies, trip old ladies, and hunt down children for whatever evil purposes reside in your head.
So really, everyone benefits by you reading my posts.
Carry on.
And while you are at it, dig deeper
Maybe you can use that taxpayer funded super computer to figure it all out.
baaa baaa baaa please let me join the herd! I want to be like you and have 'my views fit in'
Sorry buddy, but you will have to tell all the users of your computers that you're a dumbass that screwed them out of the full performance of their computers.
Maybe you forgot to enable HT in bios.
Does it hurt much to know how wrong you are, and how much the rest of us are benefitting from the technology you forgot to enable?
Where did i mention windows 2000? ... Although another person has informed us that it too is multithreaded, like Windows XP.
NO SHIT acad is single threaded, along with nearly every other program out there! Didnt it occur to you that a second program running is the second thread?
Now 2 programs will get real work done at the same time instead of just the main program with secondary programs getting whatever spare cpu cycles are left over. The multi-threading capabilities of Windows allows this to work efficiently by sheduling the programs between the CPU's.
I refer to having a pair of ~75mb dwg's open in ACAD 2004 while having ArcGIS 9 (ArcView and ArcCalogue), plus all the usual background programs (Outlook, Firefox, textpad, etc) running.
It takes 3 or 4 minutes for it to save one of those ACAD files, even though the actual saving only takes 5-10 seconds. The delay is before it actually saves. Switching back to ACAD from ArcGIS leaves me with a non-responding ACAD for upto 10 minutes. Switching between the pair of ACAD files or even simply copying and pasting features from one ACAD file to the other takes a similar time.
If I could get by running just ACAD with just one file open, its not a problem, the delays disappear.
This is on a 2.4ghz P4, 1gig ram, crappy video card.
read the reviews at www.anandtech.com. I will benefit plenty from dual core. (admittedly along with the rest of my machine being replaced as well)
Its not even an extra grand ... its only an extra $80 onto the cost of a new machine, at least once we are able to buy the processors by themselves.
Feel free to mod up the response since my original post is maxxed! hehehe.
Ignoring the rest of your fluff ..
I did check my posting history for this article, and seems like the audience is big and appreciative, judging by all the mod ups.
Shame you cant say the same.
woooo!
... while we mere mortals try to eak out a living on our workstations, for companies that must make a profit to survive without any tasty taxpayer money to throw at a supercomputer.
Lets all bow before the great master, who when attacked, pretends he's all high and mighty, looking down his nose at us all while he hides behind his supercomputer paid for by the taxpayer.
Come on, you just can't take the truth can you? The fact that Windows will benefit from dual core just pains you to the core! ... just to the core, no dual-core for you!
New Axiom to Remember: geomon enjoys making incredibly obvious statements to heckle other posters that have made obvious statements.
Damn, slashdot is ripe with dumbasses today.
How's your karma? is it being used to hide all your posts from everyone, or is it boosting your posts beyond the anonymous coward filters most people have set?
Or did you respond to me as an AC because you stay awake at night worrying about your precious karma, unable to risk 'geomon's' enourmous reputation?
Don't care? Then why post at all? Just to hear yourself talk to yourself?
You could care less? ... well obviously you could care less! ... you cared enough to respond, so you most definately do care some! Thanks!
... or better yet, keep reading them, get more stressed, and give yourself that early heart attack you appear to be heading for.
But Hey, don't assume I love all things MS, I just can't take all the BULLSHIT the linux fanboys spew forth, as if they have a monopoly on any kind of productivity, while they hide the difficulty most people face in trying to make anything work properly at all.
I've got plenty of complaints against windows, just like I also have against every linux based system I've had to bash my head against to make work.
Dont like my posts? Dont read them!
Or maybe you'll get my point, get a dual core processor and get enough work done that you can spend more time at home relaxing instead of pulling your hair out.
And I never contested that ... Perhaps you didnt notice that I was pointing out that windows is not nearly as limited as gerbilboy said ... or is that you responding with no balls as an anonymous coward?
Its also been proven (by your very statement) that you are narrow minded.
... Or, shall I continue to be productive for my company and work on other tasks?
Shall I sit at my computer twiddling my thumbs while I wait an hour or so for a complex GIS spatial analysis to complete?
dumbass.
Windows XP itself is already multithreaded. Your multi-tasking that you do all the time now, probably without even realizing you are doing it, will be much smoother with dual core.
... but in this case your background applications are actually getting lots of work done!
Go to www.anandtech.com and read their multi-tasking dual core review and try not to fall over after seeing the huge benefits. Yes, its like hyperthreading
Now to clear up your other ignorant statements:
YES you CAN assign a program to a specific processor in windows.
Microsoft declared that one socket = one CPU. You will not need XP Pro to use a dual core processor. XP Home will take full advantage of a dual core processor the same way it it takes full advantage of hyperthreading. Other companies that sell software licenses based on CPU's have done the same as Microsoft, Oracle for example.
Sure, its all the bloat.
/sarcasm off
really its the bloat! its not all the other tasks you run at the same time today that you never would have attempted to run at the same time 5 years ago, such as play MP3's and having a dozen other windows / applications running in the background.
Really its the bloat! the fact that you use your computer differently today than you used to is irrelevant!
There has never been a logical response by an anonymous coward.
... instead of buying a dual socket board for an extra ~400, plus by a second CPU at full cost.
... on the AMD side, they have declared that their dual core processors will work in existing socket 939 boards with a bios update ... so if you need a new board, its the fault of the manufacturer of your your existing board not updating their bios for you.
I said buy a motherboard at the usual cost. Buy a dual core processor for ~$80 more than a non-dual core
Can't you see the price advantage of a dual core system?
Thats on the Intel side
Not True, get with the times.
... Oracle is an example.
... one socket, but takes full use of hyperthreading .. a second virtual CPU, and will do the same with two cores in one socket.
... 2 dual core processors.
Microsoft said 6 months or so ago that one socket = one CPU. Other software vendors that license based on CPU did the same
XP Home will take one physical CPU
Similarly, XP Pro will make full use of two sockets
Loose some of your hate for windows, and you might just get to take advantage of all this tasty new technology.
I cant wait.
Go to www.anandtech.com and read the reviews on how dual core helps tremendously for common multi-tasking uses. Productivity jumps immensly.
Hyperthreading made huge improvements to my multi-tasking between intensive CAD and GIS applications.
With dual core, those applications won't just pop up fast when switching between them like they now do with hyperthreading, they will actually both be getting real work done.
Windows XP is multi-threaded. Your suspicions are very much true.
Wait a couple months til when you can buy the processor and motherboards and assemble yourself.
You will only be paying ~$80 more for the dual core CPU, and the usual price for the motherboard.
But if you're the kind of dumbass who buys crappy Dell systems filled with their borderline functional generic parts, with tremendous price markups, then maybe you deserve to be separated from your money.