The company could even be held responcible. It would depend on whether or not they had her SSN at the time. It would seem a check on her SSN would have prevented the problem. Since she was eventually hired, I, personally, would not sue the company.
She could also change her name?;) I think Gates might raise eyebrows.
I did read the story, but I was not 100% certain how LCD screens wortked. Some people describe how CRTs (and TVs) work erroneously by calling the RGB setup patern as lines--when this is not 100% true. A simple explanation would have been been a better answer, but seeing as you are all knowing (assumed by your smart **s answer), could you explain (or mathematically prove) why a minimum of 3 colors are used to get the colors? Can you also plot the coordinates of the colors for your monitor and obtain the true colors you can obtain fromthe colors chosen? I can see you obvious chose to display you level of intelligance, or more precisely, the lack there of. Maybe, next time I will simplify it so you can understand.
I wish they would bring those back. My brother and I loved those growing up. We could just look at the box and build it--no matter how complex. Then we created our own design. They were a lot better than theres. To bad we never sold them the plans to them.;)
Thats the first time I have heard of RGB being layed out in stripes. Traditionally it has been in triangles so that the RGB pattern is repeated every where. Like the example below, except they are circles and the touch,
R G B R G B B R G B R G R G B R G B
There is a shadow mask used to control the 3 electron beams. Everywhere you look there is always a triangle of RGB. I have never heard of them called stripes, but I guess you could. This tends to show the real reason the sceme works though.
One good thing, the money from your purchased ticket will go towards paying the electricity thats used for quite a shocking therapy experiance.:) They may even leave the group...
I don't buy stuff online. The more I learn about online purchasing--the less I want to buy online. Whose to say what information they need, keep, and what they will do with this informaiton of mine. Another point, most store clerks (non-online) don't bother to check my drivers license when their is a quesiton about the signature on a credit card. With all of the latest laws and violations of online privacy by big companies that has been happenning, I don't see a reason to trust them.
Of course the most obvious reason is because it gets me away from the computer screen, and it provides "social" contact for an introverted geek like myself.:)
To bad, I remember the days of playing some of their games. It was fun. I guess we could always boycott them too. You know, if this continues, their will not be any words in the English language left to legally use in the United States. I doubt this is enforceable. The contract obviously is in violation of Free Speech.
One way around this is to adopt phrases and words (jargon/slang) to "refer" to {said company} and products from {said company}. The actual document of jargon would be not a violation of the agreement. It would just say {the soldier}={said company}. No trade mark infrindgements can occur. They would have a hard time of trade marking our jargon since they didn't come up with it. Then we create a central source on the web of the jargon for company names and products. In some cases, they would have no idea what we were says. For example, "{the Soldiers} new pet toy blows chunks!" would be equivilant to "{said company}'s new liscence agreement sucks!"
So much for freedom of speech! America--land of the not so free to say what we want. This really sucks. Does this mean Microshaft will do the same thing? This gives companies an open invitation to make crappy software! One good side of this, people may be forced to look for open source solutions when they realise they spent big bucks for crappy bug filled soft!
I found that quite interesting. It's alright for them to break copywrite laws but no alright for anyone else?
One question I would have like to see answered would be "Do you realise the scale of which you could gain new fans through this channel as it now stands? For example, college kids don't have a lot of money (imagine that). Some kid gets an MP3 from a friend of a good Metallica song. They decide they like the group, and they decide to get the cd. They have a chance to expand their market to people they may have never reached before. I know plenty of people who "discovered" artist this way."
Also, Lars, if you actually read this, spend more time in the studio instead of with the lawyers. The song for MI2 sucks! Focus on you "art" instead of everything else. The song shows it lack musical talent.
Does this actually suprise anyone? Let's get serious! China is still a Communist country. Censorship is common practice. The should be more of a status quo than a news story. A real news story would be China letting something slip through!
Hey, could this count as evidence in the Anti-trust case against them? Should we notify the government as to their latest bullying tactics? Their obvious atempt to hide the incriminating information? I think the Justice department deserves to know.
I only wish more people were as informed as your everage/. user about Microsoft! I guess that would require some brains.
Later in the license it says "The Software might include source code."
With regard to the people asking about automatically generated code: "Source code which you generate with an Inprise source code generator, such as an Application Wizard, is considered by Inprise to be your code."
I believe you are refering to the normal distributions. Remember this distribution cam from a magazine. It may not have the rest of the liscene because it is "special" distrbution.
I wrote to Inprise about that. I want to get something from the horses mouth about it. If I get some understandable I will post it--if they let me. I suspect since you got it from a magazine that it is a special version with a special liscence. A lot of companies do that. It gets you to use and like there compiler, but it limits what you can do with it.
It can spread to mapped network drives on PCs. Thoeoretically, the virus could be hibernating on some server out there--even linux. If that linux server was mapped in some way be a windoze user stupid enough to run the virus. It woudln't effect linux users, but it would still exhist. Another thing not mentioned most news articles is that it could spread via IRC. It attacked 1 particular IRC client for windows. I looked at the code. This was either an intelligent programmer(cracker) with no common sense or the person put it together from sample VB Script files and changed a couple of things (and still had no common sense).
Oh well. Just goes to show you. If you use outlook, don't run a.txt.vbs file from an email. Especially if you just got 30 of them.:)
Given your work became a commodity when you sold it. Why did you take the road of a lawsuit rather than embrace it (when embracing it will allow you to expand your fan base and the lawsuit will piss off your fans)?
An employer can read your email and save your keystrokes providing that it is there equipment. The reasoning behind this is to protrect most companies from lawsuits. Another reason is some companies don't want you to "waste" time and company resources on personal things. In your case, I would supposed it is to prevent the trading of secrets. An employer has the rights basically because it is there equipment. You'd have a hard time fighting that. Even if you own the computer you are working on and only use the network services for email and internet this applies.
" Step One: Let's Shut Down Metallica's attacks on computer users, not Napster. Stop buying the band's music. Urge everyone you know to do likewise until Metallica calls off its legal Rottweillers, leaves kids downloading music alone, and agrees to slug the issue out in court and other venues where it belongs. " - JonKatz
{begin whine}
That sounds strickingly like a comment I post in both the articles about Metallica and Dr. Dre. It's not the exact same wording ( Mettalica Comment 1, Dr. Dre (last line), and I think there is another I lost track of), but the jist is the same. I am also not the only one who posted ideas similar to this. I just wanted to point out that the detailed explanation is original, but the above suggestion isn't.
I think he did a Great job. Straight and to the point. He presented plenty of facts to back up his statements--unlike the tech journalist. I wasn't aware of some of the figures he quoted, but I am glad to see the figures for open source are positive. I wonder if there will be a rebutle(sp?) to this article? I would love to see the tech journalists' face when he reads this. It might be interesting.
It is good to see someone wrote a good answer to that joke of an article. The real question is, how many people will people outside the open source, programmer, and admin environments understand and believe what Mr. Young said?
It is only recently that Linux has slipped out of Geekdom into more of a spotlight. The speed at which it will happen will not be a constant pace. It will probably increase compareably to the commercialization and popularity of Linux in the main stream.
Your point of other drivers doing this for 4+ years is pointless. Over most of those 4+ years, Linux was primarily known throughout Geekdom. It wasn't getting as much press back then compared to the mainstream press it recieves now. Because its popularity was primarily reserved to geeks back then, there was no commercial interest to advertise there. There was no market, so commercially focused companies would not advertise in huge numbers. The primary users preferred opensource and/or free stuff over the commercial stuff. Thus, you could safely assume that commercial companies such as MS wouldn't advertise in this market--it just wouldn't pay.
It may not be that safe to assume the same in the future. As Linux becomes more popular, the user base may start to change to users who don't care if they use commercial products. When this happens, you may or may not see more commercial advertising in this way. It depends what on the reactions to any initial "test" advertisements done.
Although, how many people really read what those say anyways? Mine can scroll by too quickly sometimes. Either way, advertising ussually goes hand-in-hand with commercialization.
This is just the beginning. Before you know it MS will find a way to advertise MS products in the boot up sequence. Think about it. Stuff like this usually starts simple like mentioning sponcers. Gradually over a period of time it sponcership increases, and eventually it'll awitch to "buy this...". I guess that's a bad side about going mainstream.
I wonder how much we could charge MS to advertise in the Linux boot up sequence only to have us comment it out later. Not a bad way to waste their money.
Is the source avaible so it could be commented out? If you comment it out the sponcers name still stays in the code, but it is not displayed on boot. Then you can say you didn't remove the code. You just stopped it from displaying.
We shall see what happens with this. I really hope this doesn't become a common practice! Another good reaosn to compile your the stuff yourself.;)
Does it say anywhere that you can't modify it? If so is there a way around it.
In most contracts, you cross off the sections you don't like. Why can't we do that here? Simply remove the file from the CAB without agreeing to the liscence, and then remove all parts of the agreement that you don't agree with. Like for example removing the implementing part. Once that is done, just post it on the web.
Also, If you work on Open Source GPL'd projects, your "trade secrets" are open to the public. Following this line of thought, if you treat this as you treat your "trade secrets", then you make it open to the public. You'd have to look at the specs carefully.
I am a little vague on this part. Once the specs are open to the public, can't you just change the names of the structures, variable, et. al. and add a litle extra. Wouldn't that get around the not iplementing it? I am not certain. I am no lawyer.
>Would you say it's unjust that many techies coming out of college with a B.S. in C.S. get offers >of $70K+, and some can plausibly dream of retiring by 30?
Yes, when you consider a lot of those with B.S.s in C.S. haven't got a real clue of what they are doing, but they are M.S. certified. Certification has replcaed the actual need to knw what's going on.
You have a good point. That is why the best way to go about the boycott would be to let them know what and why you are boycotting them. I assumed that people would know this. I gave them some credit.
For example, one could write a document stating the terms of the boycott. Someone could then sign it, and then pass it on to someone else. They in turn would pass it on to someone else. Once it starts to repeat itself ( or it gets back to the first person) you send it to the people (and/or organization(s) that are being boycotted).
That is just one way to handle it. My point is. Stop complaining here and do something if it bothers you. Show up at the Metallica chat and ask them why they are sueing. If enough people ask the sam quesiton, they may get the idea that it wasn't a good idea to sue Napster. Especially since sales haven't drop as a result of MP3 trades. What's next sueing for making a tape of your favorite songs? Movie clips we all enjoy when we want to know more about a movie?
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I checked it out. One small problem, it is only a server that you use on the net.
The company could even be held responcible. It would depend on whether or not they had her SSN at the time. It would seem a check on her SSN would have prevented the problem. Since she was eventually hired, I, personally, would not sue the company.
;) I think Gates might raise eyebrows.
She could also change her name?
Hey Coward:
I did read the story, but I was not 100% certain how LCD screens wortked. Some people describe how CRTs (and TVs) work erroneously by calling the RGB setup patern as lines--when this is not 100% true. A simple explanation would have been been a better answer, but seeing as you are all knowing (assumed by your smart **s answer), could you explain (or mathematically prove) why a minimum of 3 colors are used to get the colors? Can you also plot the coordinates of the colors for your monitor and obtain the true colors you can obtain fromthe colors chosen? I can see you obvious chose to display you level of intelligance, or more precisely, the lack there of. Maybe, next time I will simplify it so you can understand.
I wish they would bring those back. My brother and I loved those growing up. We could just look at the box and build it--no matter how complex. Then we created our own design. They were a lot better than theres. To bad we never sold them the plans to them. ;)
Where can I get more info about that? I always wanted to know how those worked.
Thats the first time I have heard of RGB being layed out in stripes. Traditionally it has been in triangles so that the RGB pattern is repeated every where. Like the example below, except they are circles and the touch,
R G B R G B
B R G B R G
R G B R G B
There is a shadow mask used to control the 3 electron beams. Everywhere you look there is always a triangle of RGB. I have never heard of them called stripes, but I guess you could. This tends to show the real reason the sceme works though.
One good thing, the money from your purchased ticket will go towards paying the electricity thats used for quite a shocking therapy experiance. :) They may even leave the group...
Correct me if I am wrong, but can't you just delete the cookies that are used to track you?
I don't buy stuff online. The more I learn about online purchasing--the less I want to buy online. Whose to say what information they need, keep, and what they will do with this informaiton of mine. Another point, most store clerks (non-online) don't bother to check my drivers license when their is a quesiton about the signature on a credit card.
:)
With all of the latest laws and violations of online privacy by big companies that has been happenning, I don't see a reason to trust them.
Of course the most obvious reason is because it gets me away from the computer screen, and it provides "social" contact for an introverted geek like myself.
To bad, I remember the days of playing some of their games. It was fun. I guess we could always boycott them too. You know, if this continues, their will not be any words in the English language left to legally use in the United States. I doubt this is enforceable. The contract obviously is in violation of Free Speech.
One way around this is to adopt phrases and words (jargon/slang) to "refer" to {said company} and products from {said company}. The actual document of jargon would be not a violation of the agreement. It would just say {the soldier}={said company}. No trade mark infrindgements can occur. They would have a hard time of trade marking our jargon since they didn't come up with it. Then we create a central source on the web of the jargon for company names and products. In some cases, they would have no idea what we were says. For example, "{the Soldiers} new pet toy blows chunks!" would be equivilant to "{said company}'s new liscence agreement sucks!"
So much for freedom of speech! America--land of the not so free to say what we want. This really sucks. Does this mean Microshaft will do the same thing? This gives companies an open invitation to make crappy software! One good side of this, people may be forced to look for open source solutions when they realise they spent big bucks for crappy bug filled soft!
I found that quite interesting. It's alright for them to break copywrite laws but no alright for anyone else?
One question I would have like to see answered would be "Do you realise the scale of which you could gain new fans through this channel as it now stands? For example, college kids don't have a lot of money (imagine that). Some kid gets an MP3 from a friend of a good Metallica song. They decide they like the group, and they decide to get the cd. They have a chance to expand their market to people they may have never reached before. I know plenty of people who "discovered" artist this way."
Also, Lars, if you actually read this, spend more time in the studio instead of with the lawyers. The song for MI2 sucks! Focus on you "art" instead of everything else. The song shows it lack musical talent.
Does this actually suprise anyone? Let's get serious! China is still a Communist country. Censorship is common practice. The should be more of a status quo than a news story. A real news story would be China letting something slip through!
"Because we own a huge chunk of the market?"
/. user about Microsoft! I guess that would require some brains.
Hey, could this count as evidence in the Anti-trust case against them? Should we notify the government as to their latest bullying tactics? Their obvious atempt to hide the incriminating information? I think the Justice department deserves to know.
I only wish more people were as informed as your everage
This subject should never have come up.
Later in the license it says "The Software might include source code."
With regard to the people asking about automatically generated code: "Source code which you generate with an Inprise source code generator, such as an Application Wizard, is considered by Inprise to be your code."
I believe you are refering to the normal distributions. Remember this distribution cam from a magazine. It may not have the rest of the liscene because it is "special" distrbution.
I wrote to Inprise about that. I want to get something from the horses mouth about it. If I get some understandable I will post it--if they let me.
I suspect since you got it from a magazine that it is a special version with a special liscence. A lot of companies do that. It gets you to use and like there compiler, but it limits what you can do with it.
It can spread to mapped network drives on PCs. Thoeoretically, the virus could be hibernating on some server out there--even linux. If that linux server was mapped in some way be a windoze user stupid enough to run the virus. It woudln't effect linux users, but it would still exhist.
.txt.vbs file from an email. Especially if you just got 30 of them. :)
Another thing not mentioned most news articles is that it could spread via IRC. It attacked 1 particular IRC client for windows. I looked at the code. This was either an intelligent programmer(cracker) with no common sense or the person put it together from sample VB Script files and changed a couple of things (and still had no common sense).
Oh well. Just goes to show you. If you use outlook, don't run a
Given your work became a commodity when you sold it. Why did you take the road of a lawsuit rather than embrace it (when embracing it will allow you to expand your fan base and the lawsuit will piss off your fans)?
An employer can read your email and save your keystrokes providing that it is there equipment. The reasoning behind this is to protrect most companies from lawsuits. Another reason is some companies don't want you to "waste" time and company resources on personal things. In your case, I would supposed it is to prevent the trading of secrets.
An employer has the rights basically because it is there equipment. You'd have a hard time fighting that. Even if you own the computer you are working on and only use the network services for email and internet this applies.
Good luck.
" Step One: Let's Shut Down Metallica's attacks on computer users, not Napster. Stop buying the band's music. Urge everyone you know to do likewise until Metallica calls off its legal Rottweillers, leaves kids downloading music alone, and agrees to slug the issue out in court and other venues where it belongs. " - JonKatz
{begin whine}
That sounds strickingly like a comment I post in both the articles about Metallica and Dr. Dre. It's not the exact same wording ( Mettalica Comment 1, Dr. Dre (last line), and I think there is another I lost track of), but the jist is the same. I am also not the only one who posted ideas similar to this. I just wanted to point out that the detailed explanation is original, but the above suggestion isn't.
{End whine}
I think he did a Great job. Straight and to the point. He presented plenty of facts to back up his statements--unlike the tech journalist. I wasn't aware of some of the figures he quoted, but I am glad to see the figures for open source are positive. I wonder if there will be a rebutle(sp?) to this article? I would love to see the tech journalists' face when he reads this. It might be interesting.
It is good to see someone wrote a good answer to that joke of an article. The real question is, how many people will people outside the open source, programmer, and admin environments understand and believe what Mr. Young said?
It is only recently that Linux has slipped out of Geekdom into more of a spotlight. The speed at which it will happen will not be a constant pace. It will probably increase compareably to the commercialization and popularity of Linux in the main stream.
Your point of other drivers doing this for 4+ years is pointless. Over most of those 4+ years, Linux was primarily known throughout Geekdom. It wasn't getting as much press back then compared to the mainstream press it recieves now. Because its popularity was primarily reserved to geeks back then, there was no commercial interest to advertise there. There was no market, so commercially focused companies would not advertise in huge numbers. The primary users preferred opensource and/or free stuff over the commercial stuff. Thus, you could safely assume that commercial companies such as MS wouldn't advertise in this market--it just wouldn't pay.
It may not be that safe to assume the same in the future. As Linux becomes more popular, the user base may start to change to users who don't care if they use commercial products. When this happens, you may or may not see more commercial advertising in this way. It depends what on the reactions to any initial "test" advertisements done.
Although, how many people really read what those say anyways? Mine can scroll by too quickly sometimes. Either way, advertising ussually goes hand-in-hand with commercialization.
This is just the beginning. Before you know it MS will find a way to advertise MS products in the boot up sequence. Think about it. Stuff like this usually starts simple like mentioning sponcers. Gradually over a period of time it sponcership increases, and eventually it'll awitch to "buy this ...". I guess that's a bad side about going mainstream.
;)
I wonder how much we could charge MS to advertise in the Linux boot up sequence only to have us comment it out later. Not a bad way to waste their money.
Is the source avaible so it could be commented out? If you comment it out the sponcers name still stays in the code, but it is not displayed on boot. Then you can say you didn't remove the code. You just stopped it from displaying.
We shall see what happens with this. I really hope this doesn't become a common practice! Another good reaosn to compile your the stuff yourself.
Does it say anywhere that you can't modify it? If so is there a way around it.
In most contracts, you cross off the sections you don't like. Why can't we do that here? Simply remove the file from the CAB without agreeing to the liscence, and then remove all parts of the agreement that you don't agree with. Like for example removing the implementing part. Once that is done, just post it on the web.
Also, If you work on Open Source GPL'd projects, your "trade secrets" are open to the public. Following this line of thought, if you treat this as you treat your "trade secrets", then you make it open to the public. You'd have to look at the specs carefully.
I am a little vague on this part. Once the specs are open to the public, can't you just change the names of the structures, variable, et. al. and add a litle extra. Wouldn't that get around the not iplementing it? I am not certain. I am no lawyer.
>Would you say it's unjust that many techies coming out of college with a B.S. in C.S. get offers
>of $70K+, and some can plausibly dream of retiring by 30?
Yes, when you consider a lot of those with B.S.s in C.S. haven't got a real clue of what they are doing, but they are M.S. certified. Certification has replcaed the actual need to knw what's going on.
You have a good point. That is why the best way to go about the boycott would be to let them know what and why you are boycotting them. I assumed that people would know this. I gave them some credit.
For example, one could write a document stating the terms of the boycott. Someone could then sign it, and then pass it on to someone else. They in turn would pass it on to someone else. Once it starts to repeat itself ( or it gets back to the first person) you send it to the people (and/or organization(s) that are being boycotted).
That is just one way to handle it. My point is. Stop complaining here and do something if it bothers you. Show up at the Metallica chat and ask them why they are sueing. If enough people ask the sam quesiton, they may get the idea that it wasn't a good idea to sue Napster. Especially since sales haven't drop as a result of MP3 trades. What's next sueing for making a tape of your favorite songs? Movie clips we all enjoy when we want to know more about a movie?