That would surely depend on the amount of time and effort spent. If somebody takes, say, a month or more of intensive searching of the space of seemingly plausible algorithms before arriving at the algorithm in question, was it really obvious? Or make it a year -- is it still "obvious"?
The source code certainly is a product in its own right -- hell, it's even got its own license, it's distributed widely in a separate package, it's often included on CDs as such, so yes, the developers should bear responsibility.
Of course, so should the users... perhaps less so, but still some, and they should cease and desist using infringing code once it's been identified.
Hm, why wouldn't people flee to another p2p network as soon as the fees arrive, just like they left Napster in droves following the assorted policy changes?
Hm. Well, people/could/ buy older CDs if they wanted to -- there are still people who enjoy classical music, or doo-wop, or 60's/70's rock, et al. Do they, or do sales for non-new music drop off that rapidly?
(It wouldn't surprise me if they WERE very low; the few times I've ever been in a music store, older, presumably less-hip music generally seemed to be cheaper, which suggests to me that demand isn't that high.)
Most industries outside of entertainment don't have "stars" who draw vast numbers of people through name alone, and expect similarly vast amounts of money. If Scott McNealy left Sun, most of Sun's major customers would probably still trust the hardware, software and services... but adding a Tom "You filthy man-animal" Cruise or a Denzel "Yes, black males CAN get an Best Actor after all, if a bit later than deserved" Washington to a movie will probably raise audience interest/a lot/. Heh. Would Brittney (sp?) Spears sell music (an audio form...) if it weren't for her videos and her appearance?
If memory serves, Matt LeBlanc was quoted in a recent _Newsweek_ (Perspectives section, they weren't the original recipients) to the effect that "if you can get a raise and you don't, you're stupid". Stars currently can and do get massive amounts of money. Perhaps they're going to have to be weaned off their massive pay... probably not before they stop being worshipped by the masses, however.
There's a big difference between civil and criminal liability here. If memory serves, it used to be largely a civil matter until the damages got quite high (if ever?).
Hm. Why do you consider "Doing A for expected compensation" as bad and "Doing A for no expected compensation" as good, or at least acceptable? I'd think that merely Act A would be all that matters -- if a burglar breaks into an art museum and gives away, or even has his mother throw the evidence in a canal(*) what he takes, is that any better than if he sells them and keeps the money?
Receiving compensation is hardly an evil act as long as it's truly voluntary (meaning, for instance, there is no artificial restraint of trade going on).
(*) Which happened once, believe it or not. Well, she probably did it on her own initiative to protect her son...
Were there any unlawful transactions in how they made their money?
- Nobody, with the possible exception of students in mandated classes where somebody/else/ made the non-mandatory decision, is required to watch movies distributed by them.
- Nobody is required to listen to music they own. Please. You're not going to die if you never listen to another RIAA song again.
- Nobody is required to sell them rights to their music, movies, or other intellectual property. They don't employ goons to break your legs, and if they collaborate in restraint of trade by price-fixing as a cartel -- and they use anticompetitive tactics to nail independents, such as temporarily selling below cost to drive them out of business -- then the aggrieved can push for anti-trust action.
In fact, there are, as far as I know, perfectly legal non-*AA companies that distribute music and arrange for direct compensation to artists that work with them. As long as all the transactions are voluntary, and they don't use predatory pricing or other banned tactics against upstarts, it's all kosher as far as I can see.
That's what, three copies of a current, full Photoshop (not Elements or PhotoDeluxe, but the full package)? Or, hm, something like 17 copies of WarCraft III (that started at $60, if memory serves), which would probably happen pretty darn quickly if somebody put an ISO on a college SMB network.
I don't collect music, so I don't monitor CD prices, but I doubt they're much cheaper than $10 each. 100 downloads of a full CD over 180 days would quite possibly happen if the CD has any mass appeal and the network's open to the whole world.
For instance, with a large-enough map and sufficiently friendly players, most Civ-like games can be played, well, quite civilized. In SMAC, certainly, I normally preferred internal development to conquest, and in MOO II I preferred peaceful expansion over blitzes and genocide.
Wasteland isn't really about war; it's about figuring out what the heck is going on, and then/stopping/ a war, really, before the Steel Storm that's already started on the City of Gold gets out of hand.
I could be wrong, but I seem to recall that (over a year ago) some political consultant misplaced a memo that could have proved embarrassing, because it contained advice like using the mantra "think of the children" on women, because regardless of issue they tend to respond positively to it. In other words, t'was blatant emotional manipulation with an implication (justified? I'm too lazy to search for a study right now) that women would fall for it.
Ah. But emotions are practically free and nearly universal, while being level-headed and thinking about issues rationally requires thought and effort (at least to the extent of being awake and alert...).
Copyright versus spam? So much spam is fraudulent. What's another crime?
And jurisdiction -- Host country cares not 'bout you. Extradite? Yeah, right.
Plus, why trust Habeas? They could change their policy Screwing verse users.
I doubt this will work. In Hell, ice cubes will appear Before spamming stops.
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I get plenty of spam from Korea that is probably aimed at Koreans from Koreans because it's written in Korean and advertising URLs in... Korea.
And a lot of spam sent to me from China, appears to be in Chinese, which again is a somewhat niche language within the United States where I'm located -- although, with my last name, it's not too surprising that they think that I might be interested. Phone companies apparently think the same way, getting Chinese-Americans to call me up and ask if I'm interested in their international rates -- if somebody calls up and greets me in Chinese, w/ approximately 100% probability it's a telemarketer working for phone company.
Of course, I also get spam from Germans advertising a German porn magazine that probably is mostly of interest to Germans, or perhaps Aryan-o-philes who don't care about the articles...
Take me off the list, you lousy bastards. Spam me, you did. Con me, try you. Asshole! Shall I find you, stab you, roast your innards Or bury you 'live in a deep dank hole?
Your list, your ugly list, unsubscribe me. Do you REALLY think that I'm that stupid? Your mail bites its thumb at me, insults me -- Enrages me, that's all it ever did.
Free money! Another bank scam! OH joy. Penis enlargement! Herbal viagra! Purge my records -- Better credit, OH boy! Breast enhancement? Um, I don't wear a bra.
Go to Hell, you! Stop now, cease and desist! Mail me no more. I want off your bloody list.
--leaving Caffeinated Archaic Vogon mode--
Um, it's not iambic pentameter I'm sure, and it probably breaks numerous other rules, but I think I'll stop now.../me backs away slowly...
Hmmmm. Unless doing this is considered an accessory...
However, the RIAA is not a law enforcement organization, no matter how much it wants to be. If the RIAA gets evidence, they/should/ be going to the police rather than acting like vigilantes, no matter how much Congress bends over for 'em.
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That would surely depend on the amount of time and effort spent. If somebody takes, say, a month or more of intensive searching of the space of seemingly plausible algorithms before arriving at the algorithm in question, was it really obvious? Or make it a year -- is it still "obvious"?
The source code certainly is a product in its own right -- hell, it's even got its own license, it's distributed widely in a separate package, it's often included on CDs as such, so yes, the developers should bear responsibility.
Of course, so should the users... perhaps less so, but still some, and they should cease and desist using infringing code once it's been identified.
Hm, why wouldn't people flee to another p2p network as soon as the fees arrive, just like they left Napster in droves following the assorted policy changes?
Hm. Well, people /could/ buy older CDs if they wanted to -- there are still people who enjoy classical music, or doo-wop, or 60's/70's rock, et al. Do they, or do sales for non-new music drop off that rapidly?
(It wouldn't surprise me if they WERE very low; the few times I've ever been in a music store, older, presumably less-hip music generally seemed to be cheaper, which suggests to me that demand isn't that high.)
Hm, the Banana Jr. has finally come to life.
Specifically, donkeys and elephants...
...finally, the Mafia gets to compete with De Beers...
"And this beaut we call the 'Jimmy Hoffa'."
Most industries outside of entertainment don't have "stars" who draw vast numbers of people through name alone, and expect similarly vast amounts of money. If Scott McNealy left Sun, most of Sun's major customers would probably still trust the hardware, software and services... but adding a Tom "You filthy man-animal" Cruise or a Denzel "Yes, black males CAN get an Best Actor after all, if a bit later than deserved" Washington to a movie will probably raise audience interest /a lot/. Heh. Would Brittney (sp?) Spears sell music (an audio form...) if it weren't for her videos and her appearance?
If memory serves, Matt LeBlanc was quoted in a recent _Newsweek_ (Perspectives section, they weren't the original recipients) to the effect that "if you can get a raise and you don't, you're stupid". Stars currently can and do get massive amounts of money. Perhaps they're going to have to be weaned off their massive pay... probably not before they stop being worshipped by the masses, however.
There's a big difference between civil and criminal liability here. If memory serves, it used to be largely a civil matter until the damages got quite high (if ever?).
Hm. Why do you consider "Doing A for expected compensation" as bad and "Doing A for no expected compensation" as good, or at least acceptable? I'd think that merely Act A would be all that matters -- if a burglar breaks into an art museum and gives away, or even has his mother throw the evidence in a canal(*) what he takes, is that any better than if he sells them and keeps the money?
Receiving compensation is hardly an evil act as long as it's truly voluntary (meaning, for instance, there is no artificial restraint of trade going on).
(*) Which happened once, believe it or not. Well, she probably did it on her own initiative to protect her son...
Were there any unlawful transactions in how they made their money?
/else/ made the non-mandatory decision, is required to watch movies distributed by them.
- Nobody, with the possible exception of students in mandated classes where somebody
- Nobody is required to listen to music they own. Please. You're not going to die if you never listen to another RIAA song again.
- Nobody is required to sell them rights to their music, movies, or other intellectual property. They don't employ goons to break your legs, and if they collaborate in restraint of trade by price-fixing as a cartel -- and they use anticompetitive tactics to nail independents, such as temporarily selling below cost to drive them out of business -- then the aggrieved can push for anti-trust action.
In fact, there are, as far as I know, perfectly legal non-*AA companies that distribute music and arrange for direct compensation to artists that work with them. As long as all the transactions are voluntary, and they don't use predatory pricing or other banned tactics against upstarts, it's all kosher as far as I can see.
Let them take their pound of flesh, then sue 'em for the blood loss.
With software, it's pretty easy to break $1000.
That's what, three copies of a current, full Photoshop (not Elements or PhotoDeluxe, but the full package)? Or, hm, something like 17 copies of WarCraft III (that started at $60, if memory serves), which would probably happen pretty darn quickly if somebody put an ISO on a college SMB network.
I don't collect music, so I don't monitor CD prices, but I doubt they're much cheaper than $10 each. 100 downloads of a full CD over 180 days would quite possibly happen if the CD has any mass appeal and the network's open to the whole world.
Yeah, whatever. It's not the listening that's the problem, it's how you got the music.
Now, if you want to go to a country where you CAN get busted for listening to music, move to Iran.
Conflict != war.
/stopping/ a war, really, before the Steel Storm that's already started on the City of Gold gets out of hand.
For instance, with a large-enough map and sufficiently friendly players, most Civ-like games can be played, well, quite civilized. In SMAC, certainly, I normally preferred internal development to conquest, and in MOO II I preferred peaceful expansion over blitzes and genocide.
Wasteland isn't really about war; it's about figuring out what the heck is going on, and then
I could be wrong, but I seem to recall that (over a year ago) some political consultant misplaced a memo that could have proved embarrassing, because it contained advice like using the mantra "think of the children" on women, because regardless of issue they tend to respond positively to it. In other words, t'was blatant emotional manipulation with an implication (justified? I'm too lazy to search for a study right now) that women would fall for it.
Ah. But emotions are practically free and nearly universal, while being level-headed and thinking about issues rationally requires thought and effort (at least to the extent of being awake and alert...).
Copyright versus spam?
So much spam is fraudulent.
What's another crime?
And jurisdiction --
Host country cares not 'bout you.
Extradite? Yeah, right.
Plus, why trust Habeas?
They could change their policy
Screwing verse users.
I doubt this will work.
In Hell, ice cubes will appear
Before spamming stops.
I get plenty of spam from Korea that is probably aimed at Koreans from Koreans because it's written in Korean and advertising URLs in... Korea.
And a lot of spam sent to me from China, appears to be in Chinese, which again is a somewhat niche language within the United States where I'm located -- although, with my last name, it's not too surprising that they think that I might be interested. Phone companies apparently think the same way, getting Chinese-Americans to call me up and ask if I'm interested in their international rates -- if somebody calls up and greets me in Chinese, w/ approximately 100% probability it's a telemarketer working for phone company.
Of course, I also get spam from Germans advertising a German porn magazine that probably is mostly of interest to Germans, or perhaps Aryan-o-philes who don't care about the articles...
Other formats have their perks.
Haiku, limericks, even free verse.
I suggest you go with whatever works --
Instead of failing, and writing worse.
--entering Caffeinated Archaic Vogon mode--
/me backs away slowly...
Take me off the list, you lousy bastards.
Spam me, you did. Con me, try you. Asshole!
Shall I find you, stab you, roast your innards
Or bury you 'live in a deep dank hole?
Your list, your ugly list, unsubscribe me.
Do you REALLY think that I'm that stupid?
Your mail bites its thumb at me, insults me --
Enrages me, that's all it ever did.
Free money! Another bank scam! OH joy.
Penis enlargement! Herbal viagra!
Purge my records -- Better credit, OH boy!
Breast enhancement? Um, I don't wear a bra.
Go to Hell, you! Stop now, cease and desist!
Mail me no more. I want off your bloody list.
--leaving Caffeinated Archaic Vogon mode--
Um, it's not iambic pentameter I'm sure, and it probably breaks numerous other rules, but I think I'll stop now...
I hate spammers too.
But blowing up the whole planet?
That's really too much.
Hmmmm. Unless doing this is considered an accessory...
/should/ be going to the police rather than acting like vigilantes, no matter how much Congress bends over for 'em.
However, the RIAA is not a law enforcement organization, no matter how much it wants to be. If the RIAA gets evidence, they
You wouldn't happen to be a spammer, would you?
FWIW, there is no guaranteed freedom to send data over somebody else's network unless they're a common carrier.
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