There have been scientific theories floating around for decades now that support to some degree, an idea that oil can be made naturally without the long process currently ascribed to it. And all this is done without the mentioning of a GOD or 6000 year earth history.
Get off your high horse, not everything suggesting that a process isn't (m)billions of years old as currently understood is some attempt to put god in your life. Not all of these people have a problem with environmentalist (outside of saying they are wrong about the time required to create oil), and not all of them work for oil interests. Of course you will find people pushing gods or claiming the earth is only 6000 years old saying see, it's possible, Of course you will see people making statements that environmentalists or whoever else claiming oil is finite are wrong just as you will find people making statements that the earth is older then 6000 years. And mostly, of course you will find people connected to oil companies making these statements. This is because people who study oil and geology relating to oil, tend to work in oil related industries. It's not guilt by association and maybe you should look past your shallow reservations before passing a judgment. This is science, not a religion.
My understanding is that a rubber bushing essential to the operation of the BOP was damaged a few days before during a test of it (or something related) and this damage contributed to the massive failure of the BOP.
Actually, it wouldn't be that hard to do something like that. I'm not sure what the pressure is on the pipe that's busted, or the exact outside diameter of it but it wouldn't be that hard to design a compression fitting in two or three pieces that could be automatically or semi autonomously assembled on the sea floor.
The reasons we are probably seeing things like this is to undo or mitigate the damage to the coastal tourism that is already being seen in the gulf area as a reaction to the spill. This will go more common as more and more industries away from the spill are hit with less and less business from the consumers on the beaches.
This will hit hard around election time if something can't be done to curb the expected negative growth in the economy caused by this. Expect the idea to get really popular in the next couple months.
Wouldn't it be a funnier joke to say vote for Obama again seeing how his superior executive response has been to let BP fumble around forever? I mean you can sum up his entire governmental involvement/reaction to this spill as "act angry in front of camera's, assemble scientists to talk about what BP is doing, and stay out of BP's way". It would appear that if anyone is saying "the catastrophe was all in your minds", it would be obama. At least Bush sat on a tarmac for hours on end- pushing meetings and appointments back- waiting for the governor of Louisianan to sign documents making federal action/involvement in Katrina legal. The feds already have jurisdiction here and even less is being done.
Ah,, don't inject truth, reason, and sanity into this. Can't we just bash one party or the other for the hell of it and leave false impressions to the masses? I mean how are we supposed to get our guy elected if we can't get everyone else to believe the fallacious positions we put the opposition in.
I bet you don't like puppies. Nobody listen to this guy, he doesn't like puppies, or kittens either.
The ISS isn't a US territory or state. The territories get a make believe representative with no actual power (like Washington DC), the other get a real representative to be corrupted just like the rest.
Yea, I've heard of New Rome. I didn't know of it's speed trap issue. I used to drive from Lancaster to West Jefferson every few days and cut threw New Rome to avoid some traffic when someone smashed their car.
My understanding was that the speed trap was actually a posted drop in the speed limit but the signs were obstructed or something. I never has any issues with it.
Mayors often have brothers, sisters, sons, daughters, friends etc. etc. etc. on the community payroll, you know; a payroll that can benefit from the funds harvested via a cooperative and often equally nepotistic local police force. Whether the mayor's salary is fixed or not is moot.
Nepotism and Cronyism has been illegal in the state of Ohio for quite a while now. It will violate the state charter of political subdivisions. Anyone suspecting this can make a formal complaint to the state and they will investigate the merits and hiring process of person to see if a violation occurred. Of course this doesn't mean it doesn't happen, it just means it's not supposed to happen. If corruption runs through a government, then there really is no use complaining about a law or process of enforcement as it's already shown the rule of law isn't important to them.
Aren't we talking about Ohio here? In china, things are a lot different too, but I wouldn't automatically translate that to any government function in Ohio.
He forgot his political disclaimer. I'll, add it for him.
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It is too fact. I saw it on the internet. It said everything on the internet is true- why would anyone you don't know who isn't attempting to get anything from you lie to you?
Now if you will excuse me, I have to help another Nigerian Prince relocate his fortune from the evil conquerors of his father's kingdom. It's seeming to be harder then you would think and the banks keep asking for more money to make it happen.
Yea, I find it interesting how someone finds the truth when it suit's their needs. For years, they attempted to get around the entire 10th amendment and the diversity of the nation and impose things by virtue of the power (miraculously found) in the federal government. Now that they don't like the monster that was created, it seems they advocate going back to the original set up because it suits their needs.
BTW, I have been arguing that this entire top down approach is what makes third parties in the US non-viable. The two major parties are so powerful because they surround people from the bottom up and they are comfortable with going that direction- even though that direction may not reflect the one taken on the national stage by the same people.
The court records show that the cop held a certificate to use the radar but it couldn't be placed into evidence at trial because he failed to bring it in. That is the questionable part of his certification, he failed to produce it when it was requested. Showing it later didn't seem to matter.
The cops estimate was within 5 mph of the supposed speed, he lowered it when issuing the ticket and again when the radar information was tossed out. The cop's actual testimony was 85 mph, the radar showed 82, he wrote the ticket for 70 or 79, but he stated that he knew it was speed in excess of 70 which is what the court stuck with as the speed in the original conviction.
Anyways, this is sort of incidental to my point in the post. This wasn't a case that say's cops can do anything they want, it was a case where the cop's, if trained and following their training, can act upon that training when it comes to speeders. Had this been a case where the guy was doing 5 mph over or something, the decision would have went entirely another direction. During oral arguments, the late Chief Justice Thomas J. Moyer and a couple of other justices focused on the idea that the individual cop's qualifications could be challenged at trial just like it's been done for every other case over the last several centuries. They asked questions about the officers accuracy records when training and after passing his certification and so on. Chief Justice Moyer even suggested that if the cop had a 50% accuracy rate, then no one in a jury would believe his estimates.
I guess you do not understand what mayors court is. There are no judges in mayors court, there is a mayor who is also the magistrate. The mayor's salary doesn't increase or decrease based on citations or how often he sits on the court and requesting a jury trial or appealing a decision, or attempting certain legal moves, will promptly take the case out of any mayors court.
Mayor's court isn't what it used to be. The state of Ohio has cracked down on it pretty hard ever since the mid 1990's when they found different mayor's courts charging double fines in lieu of reporting convictions to the state and illegally detaining people (see Reynoldsburg)). It used to be that you could speed or even get a DUI, and if you went to mayor's court, the magistrate (mayor) would simply offer a fee that matched the fine and that fee would keep it off your record. This went on for years until some drunk crashed through a fence at a school and injured 30 some children. When the state found that the guy should have lost his license several times and if the minimum sentencing would have been followed he would have been in jail still, a lot of panties got bunched up and not in a good way.
Actually, ohio already does times interval speed monitoring. It's what all those wide lateral lines on the side of the highway is for. They can either monitor it by plane or in some areas, simply a large enough hill with a view of the highway.
But it isn't all that difficult to visually determine if someone is speeding. This ruling doesn't mean what people are attempting to make it out to mean either. If your traveling with traffic and your speedometer reads the speed limits, then off in a distance, you see someone passing other traffic that isn't getting closer, you can reasonably be assured that they are speeding. On my road, doing the speed limit takes about 35 seconds to get from the barn of the neighbors property to the edge of the horse fence, if it's only taking 20 seconds, you can bet someone is speeding.
This ruling came from a case where the speeder got the radar thrown out and the cop claimed he estimated the speed at a higher rate then the radar showed. The defendant then attempted to claim the cop was wrong because the now defunct radar resulted showed it differently. They then attempted to get the supreme court to make a rule stating that visual estimates alone is not enough to issue a stop or citation for speed or get a conviction. In this case, the radar put the guy in excess of 15 mph over the limit and the cop's estimate was more then 20 mph over the posted limit. So if a car appears to be going 33 percent faster then all the other cars, the courts said there is reason to believe he was speeding.
However, the court also noted during arguments that this was a case with such a wide margin between the estimated speed and the posted speed limit. They expressed doubts that someone could estimate 5 mph over the limit at highway speeds and so on. They also attempted to see if there was a way to find out the accuracy of the estimations made during training and simply suggested that the way to fight this would be to question the skills of the officer estimating the speed.
It isn't a valid question, judges in Ohio get a salary that is paid no matter how many tickets are issued or not. They do not get commissions or anything of the sort. It may be that the fund the actual salary comes from is supplied or supplemented by citations, but it wouldn't effect their salary or benefits if no citations or twice as many was ever processed.
Low cost is a relative term. What is low to you may be high to me because we live in different parts of the country and their is different costs expectations. So if we were to compare low cost alternative to outsourcing to China, it's probably not a true statement, but if we compare it to buying a facility in the same state, setting up the resources needed to operate the facility like phone service and plumbing, and paying taxes that you wouldn't necessarily need to pay if you used the prison labor, it can be a low cost alternative.
Now I do freely admit that companies can make money from these schemes. They get tax breaks, don't have all of the same business expenses, and so on. Sometimes they have to build a facility, sometimes it can be housed within the prison. It is an advantage to a company in most cases but they also take a reputation hit- especially when the public finds out they are talking to con artists already locked up. But there are benefits for the state too. Inmates get real world training that they can apply outside of prison after release. Because working is more of a reward system, inmates have better behavior reducing stress and staffing needs for the prison. And it offsets a lot of the costs of housing the inmates.
Sadly, I can't find any exact breakdowns either. That is why I offered my one personal experience. I haven't really found much outside of regulations that show the company side of the arrangement which is completely different from what the inmate side is.
"Anything that creates a market incentive to lock people up undermines the very purpose of our criminal justice system," says Sheila Bedy, executive director of the Justice Policy Institute
I agree with this statement. I just don't think the current system has that incentive. It did in the past, but those days are gone. The current system is more of a rehabilitation program then anything. You can educate someone all you want, but they are still going to be pretty knowledgeable when they attempt to apply that new found knowledge fresh out of school. This situation not only gives knowledge but creates real world experience that can translate into a real world job when they get released. Drug dealers who chose to deal drugs over working at burger king now have a third option that may be enough to bypass the pull to return to dealing drugs. It creates honest opportunities for people that may not have had too many before getting busted for whatever it was. It's still up to the inmate to pursuit, but at least they aren't being dumped into the same hopeless situation that drove them to whatever crime got them busted in the first place.
So exactly what is wrong with Intelligent design outside of it's connections to religion? I mean you spend a lot of time making the connection, claiming that everyone is lying about not having one, so outside of that, what is wrong with it?
Most of ID says that some things need a push in order to get to where we are today. Id doesn't really challenge observer scientific facts, just the inferences made from those facts. So what exactly is wrong with ID.
I still don't see it being historically important.
You just spent a good deal of effort lumping all ID intercourse with some religion and connecting everyone who wants to explore it with some massive wedge conspiracy designed to thwart scientific knowledge and you do not see that as being historically important? I mean common, if it really is a religion in disguise that revolves around a massive conspiracy, then it is pretty significant.
attribute to the divine that which has already been explained by science.
I never understood why evolution is such a threat to religion
I think you hit the nail without knowing it here. Before science explained anything, religions did. And science, just like religion, doesn't always get it right. Having an explanation for something doesn't mean it happened that way either, even if it is possible that is could of.
This wouldn't be a problem if science was presented as science and religion is presented as religion- even when they overlap and come into conflict. But sadly that isn't the case and you have people saying one is right over the other. The reason it gets pushed into schools is because children are compelled by law to attend and end up having some half trained science teacher who holds a degree that doesn't even specialize in science, state that evolution or the big bang or abiogenesis is right and creation is wrong. Of course science doesn't say that creation is wrong, it only says that the evidence shows us something different. You sort of even tread on the same steps with the insinuation that because science has an explanation, religions shouldn't.
if I was God, evolution and natural selection actually seems like a pretty damn good way to design an ecosystem! It's resilient and adaptive and I don't have to micromanage it. It's only a problem if you believe in an absolute literal interpretation of the Bible.
Well here is the question that IDer's tend to raise. Suppose you were God and wanted the earth to look like it does and adapt the way it does. Would you start by creating a single part of life and letting it find it's way together and hopefully diverse itself into the marvels of nature we know and love today? Or would you set the ball rolling, get the complicated things out of the way, and let the evolution and natural selection maintain the system? Or better yet, lets take this from a more scientific approach, suppose you wanted to do an experiment with bacteria and how it interacts with genetically modified foods. Do you just throw an ear of GM corn in a petri dish and hope for the best, or do you prepare samples, introduce the bacteria in controlled environment and use devices to maintain that control?
The answer to these is really unimportant because either approach will not rule out the possibility of the other approach achieving similar results. But one way will be more likely to succeed in desired results over the other. The big difference is in how much manipulation you put into it to achieve the complex system you are after (whether acting as a god or scientists). IDer want to think that chance is too random to achieve what we have today. They can look around and ask why did it stop if it was all by chance. The answer to why it stopped are just as magical as god did it with a something is different now but we don't know what or whatever. And the explanations or examples to why it hasn't stopped is more of a twist on defined terms or semantics then real visualizations of it. At least to anyone capable of critically thinking. So the bottom line with IDer seems to be someone or something had to help us to where we are today which is basically the same thing as god did it.
So you are saying that something that has cooked up so much controversy and cause so much uproar over the last 20 some years isn't history? How long do we have to wait until Bill Clinton getting a blowjob in office or Obama being the first Black president of the US gets to be called history?
I think the impact on society or the conflict that is caused along with how it has shaped society makes it history worthy regardless of how long ago it is/was.
I'd say it's closer to the older days than you think. I would argue that plenty of laws are passed just to get people into prisons. It may not be blatant, but consider our prison population per capita and how many non-violet offenders we have incarcerated. However, I hope that is unrelated to our use of prison labor.
And I would say look at how many nonviolent offenders that are incarcerated that are also forced to work. It's almost negligible if you discount the one who volunteer.
While yes, most prison labor is volunteer(as-in, they have a choice), but they are not just completing tasks that the prison or state need done. They are also getting paid. Though the prison gets a cut, and the wages are traditionally VERY low. So it doesn't especially offset the cost of housing the prisoner, but it gives the hiring company an incredible profit compared to hiring minimum wage workers.
No, hte company will pay a premium wage, more like hiring a temp worker instead of a full blown worker. The state picks up or forgives certain taxes and so on because making criminal into good workers is part of a healthy rehabilitation process. Make no mistake, setting up shop in a prison is not the same as moving to some third world country as far as labor savings go.
I have some personal experience in this area too. I hired the local (county) jail facility to do trash cleanup after a benefit I helped organized. (a mother and father of two were killed by a drunk driver and the surviving children would have been separated and placed in foster care if the only known next of kin- a disabled grandmother on a fixed income- couldn't find a means to support them). Anyways, it costs us close to $12.00 an hour per inmate plus the costs of sheriffs and guards at overtime rates to get about 40 inmates out to a 20 acre plot and dump trash cans, pick up litter, and help deconstruct two of the stages. My understanding is that the inmates only received about $3.50 an hour from the sheriff's department. Thankfully, a 3 local law-firms picked up the tab for that and it didn't come out of the collections.
Granted, this is a local experience but my understanding is that it's a standard practice.
Up in washington, they're making US armed forces uniforms[1]. Apparently even Victoria's Secret clothing is being assembled by some prison labor now. And the practice is growing. The United States prison population is potentially an incredible underutilized workforce and can make some serious profits for the companies that take advantage of it.
This may be true, but I don't think it means what you want it to mean. Federal law requires that prison labor (prison industries) operate the prison shops that no single private industry shall be forced to bear an undue burden of competition from the products of the prison workshops, and to reduce to a minimum competition with private industry or free labor. Rules set forth on this require that inmates or goods and services in direct competition with open markets (not goods or services provided to the government) can't be sold unless a prevailing wage is paid to the inmate.
However, we really need to be careful of the profit motive in using prison labor. Would it be benificial to society as a whole to lock up more of our population to have a cheaper workforce? Should judges be provided with more kickbacks for longer sentences for viable workers? It is a potential downward spiral.
I don't think that happens. Certainly the federal laws suggest it shouldn't be happening.
As far as judges are concerned, they should be open and disclose all contributions or connections with anyone related to any of these prison industries. If there is a connection, th
And the proposed laws go far beyond what the WCT and WPPT demand as well as far beyond what the USA DMCA actually does.
Interesting. This isn't true from my readings of the purposed laws and the treaties. However, the treaties do not dictate punishment- but they do dictate which needs to be a criminal act and which can be a non-criminal violation.
Perhaps you could specify what and where they go far beyond. I don't count a penalty as being beyond because they require one, they just don't list the severity of it.
If a significant number of economically inportant nations would abrogate those treaties they would die.
Again, the solution needs to address the treaty. If you simply attempt to defeat the laws before or after they are made, you will end up with a never ending battle where you incrementally lose everything until one day their goal is achieved. If you defeat the treaty (or adoption thereof) or perhaps even manage to get your politicians to have the treaties changed, then the battle is over.
It's like this. Suppose BP had a gas station on a hill up from your home. It leaks gasoline (like the oil well in the gulf) and every once in a while it catches fire. Attacking the politicians is like telling you that you should build your home somewhere else. Attacking the bills and laws they present is like putting the fire out but never addressing the gasoline leaks. Fixing the leaks so you don't have to worry about it catching fire repeatedly is like addressing the treaties and will have the effect of letting the fire burn out before causing too much damage. Which scenario would you prefer to live in, the one with the leaks fixed, the one where you have to constantly put out fires, or the one where you have to pick up and move to be comfortable.
I find it extremely humorous when idiots pretend to be witty.
While hollywood might have something to do with it in the original, the drive to pass a DMCA style legislation in Canada and Europe as well as most the rest of the country derives from two WIPO treaties. The WCT and WPPT both demand the DMCA laws to be passed. They don't dictate penalties for the violation or anything but making circumvention and certain other things illegal is spelled directly out in the treaties. Perhaps you should look at them and instead of waving word phrases that have nothing to do with the situation like sucking hollywood's cock and bribes are still being paid in full, you could do something constructive and actually address the root of the problem. Otherwise, anyone in the know (which your politicians will be), will just think you are another retarded monkey who doesn't know what's going on.
I'm sorry if that sounds harsh, but with the internet and how many times this has come up, I would assume the people commenting on it would at least know what's behind it. And no, this isn't a conservative verses another party thing. It's a treaty or sets of them that allow special trade arrangements once implemented and allows certain restrictions if not. Canada signed onto the treaties (as well as the EU) and eventually, any party will bring it up because it's sort of their obligation. Now if they back out of the treaties or get them changed, then your problem disappears. But claiming the politicians are taking bribes or sucking cock is not going to make that happen.
Prison labor in the current US isn't really the same as in the older days. In the old days, laws were passed just to get people into prisons and the forced labor netted someone a profit. Now it's mostly volunteer, generally is some remedial task the prison already needs done, and is offered as a reward for not fucking up. There are some businesses that contract out with states in order to help fund some of the prisons but it doens't offset the costs of the prisoner.
Granted, there are still some chain gangs in some areas, but they cost more to operate then hiring a construction company to just come in and dig the ditches or whatever. Outside of litter pickup which is handled mostly by volunteers or paid employees funded by volunteers (adopt a highway programs), it costs more to use forced prison labor in these areas.
Actually, another way out of this is to get rid of the WIPO's WCT and WPPT treaties. That or have your government amend them. The reason why this is being brought up again and again is because it's built into a treaty that Canada (and the US, the EU on behalf of the EU member countries, and a lot of other countries)has signed on to. They get trade deals because of being members of the two treaties and the contents outside any penalties is required by the treaties.
For some reason, people don't want to work on the driving aspect of this and only focus on the local passages. This will only delay the passing of a DMCA like law. It will not remove it. Changing the treaties will negate the necessity of it.
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There have been scientific theories floating around for decades now that support to some degree, an idea that oil can be made naturally without the long process currently ascribed to it. And all this is done without the mentioning of a GOD or 6000 year earth history.
Get off your high horse, not everything suggesting that a process isn't (m)billions of years old as currently understood is some attempt to put god in your life. Not all of these people have a problem with environmentalist (outside of saying they are wrong about the time required to create oil), and not all of them work for oil interests. Of course you will find people pushing gods or claiming the earth is only 6000 years old saying see, it's possible, Of course you will see people making statements that environmentalists or whoever else claiming oil is finite are wrong just as you will find people making statements that the earth is older then 6000 years. And mostly, of course you will find people connected to oil companies making these statements. This is because people who study oil and geology relating to oil, tend to work in oil related industries. It's not guilt by association and maybe you should look past your shallow reservations before passing a judgment. This is science, not a religion.
My understanding is that a rubber bushing essential to the operation of the BOP was damaged a few days before during a test of it (or something related) and this damage contributed to the massive failure of the BOP.
Actually, it wouldn't be that hard to do something like that. I'm not sure what the pressure is on the pipe that's busted, or the exact outside diameter of it but it wouldn't be that hard to design a compression fitting in two or three pieces that could be automatically or semi autonomously assembled on the sea floor.
The reasons we are probably seeing things like this is to undo or mitigate the damage to the coastal tourism that is already being seen in the gulf area as a reaction to the spill. This will go more common as more and more industries away from the spill are hit with less and less business from the consumers on the beaches.
This will hit hard around election time if something can't be done to curb the expected negative growth in the economy caused by this. Expect the idea to get really popular in the next couple months.
Wouldn't it be a funnier joke to say vote for Obama again seeing how his superior executive response has been to let BP fumble around forever? I mean you can sum up his entire governmental involvement/reaction to this spill as "act angry in front of camera's, assemble scientists to talk about what BP is doing, and stay out of BP's way". It would appear that if anyone is saying "the catastrophe was all in your minds", it would be obama. At least Bush sat on a tarmac for hours on end- pushing meetings and appointments back- waiting for the governor of Louisianan to sign documents making federal action/involvement in Katrina legal. The feds already have jurisdiction here and even less is being done.
Ah,, don't inject truth, reason, and sanity into this. Can't we just bash one party or the other for the hell of it and leave false impressions to the masses? I mean how are we supposed to get our guy elected if we can't get everyone else to believe the fallacious positions we put the opposition in.
I bet you don't like puppies. Nobody listen to this guy, he doesn't like puppies, or kittens either.
The ISS isn't a US territory or state. The territories get a make believe representative with no actual power (like Washington DC), the other get a real representative to be corrupted just like the rest.
Yea, I've heard of New Rome. I didn't know of it's speed trap issue. I used to drive from Lancaster to West Jefferson every few days and cut threw New Rome to avoid some traffic when someone smashed their car.
My understanding was that the speed trap was actually a posted drop in the speed limit but the signs were obstructed or something. I never has any issues with it.
Nepotism and Cronyism has been illegal in the state of Ohio for quite a while now. It will violate the state charter of political subdivisions. Anyone suspecting this can make a formal complaint to the state and they will investigate the merits and hiring process of person to see if a violation occurred. Of course this doesn't mean it doesn't happen, it just means it's not supposed to happen. If corruption runs through a government, then there really is no use complaining about a law or process of enforcement as it's already shown the rule of law isn't important to them.
Aren't we talking about Ohio here? In china, things are a lot different too, but I wouldn't automatically translate that to any government function in Ohio.
He forgot his political disclaimer. I'll, add it for him.
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It is too fact. I saw it on the internet. It said everything on the internet is true- why would anyone you don't know who isn't attempting to get anything from you lie to you?
Now if you will excuse me, I have to help another Nigerian Prince relocate his fortune from the evil conquerors of his father's kingdom. It's seeming to be harder then you would think and the banks keep asking for more money to make it happen.
Yea, I find it interesting how someone finds the truth when it suit's their needs. For years, they attempted to get around the entire 10th amendment and the diversity of the nation and impose things by virtue of the power (miraculously found) in the federal government. Now that they don't like the monster that was created, it seems they advocate going back to the original set up because it suits their needs.
BTW, I have been arguing that this entire top down approach is what makes third parties in the US non-viable. The two major parties are so powerful because they surround people from the bottom up and they are comfortable with going that direction- even though that direction may not reflect the one taken on the national stage by the same people.
The court records show that the cop held a certificate to use the radar but it couldn't be placed into evidence at trial because he failed to bring it in. That is the questionable part of his certification, he failed to produce it when it was requested. Showing it later didn't seem to matter.
The cops estimate was within 5 mph of the supposed speed, he lowered it when issuing the ticket and again when the radar information was tossed out. The cop's actual testimony was 85 mph, the radar showed 82, he wrote the ticket for 70 or 79, but he stated that he knew it was speed in excess of 70 which is what the court stuck with as the speed in the original conviction.
Anyways, this is sort of incidental to my point in the post. This wasn't a case that say's cops can do anything they want, it was a case where the cop's, if trained and following their training, can act upon that training when it comes to speeders. Had this been a case where the guy was doing 5 mph over or something, the decision would have went entirely another direction. During oral arguments, the late Chief Justice Thomas J. Moyer and a couple of other justices focused on the idea that the individual cop's qualifications could be challenged at trial just like it's been done for every other case over the last several centuries. They asked questions about the officers accuracy records when training and after passing his certification and so on. Chief Justice Moyer even suggested that if the cop had a 50% accuracy rate, then no one in a jury would believe his estimates.
I guess you do not understand what mayors court is. There are no judges in mayors court, there is a mayor who is also the magistrate. The mayor's salary doesn't increase or decrease based on citations or how often he sits on the court and requesting a jury trial or appealing a decision, or attempting certain legal moves, will promptly take the case out of any mayors court.
Mayor's court isn't what it used to be. The state of Ohio has cracked down on it pretty hard ever since the mid 1990's when they found different mayor's courts charging double fines in lieu of reporting convictions to the state and illegally detaining people (see Reynoldsburg)). It used to be that you could speed or even get a DUI, and if you went to mayor's court, the magistrate (mayor) would simply offer a fee that matched the fine and that fee would keep it off your record. This went on for years until some drunk crashed through a fence at a school and injured 30 some children. When the state found that the guy should have lost his license several times and if the minimum sentencing would have been followed he would have been in jail still, a lot of panties got bunched up and not in a good way.
Actually, ohio already does times interval speed monitoring. It's what all those wide lateral lines on the side of the highway is for. They can either monitor it by plane or in some areas, simply a large enough hill with a view of the highway.
But it isn't all that difficult to visually determine if someone is speeding. This ruling doesn't mean what people are attempting to make it out to mean either. If your traveling with traffic and your speedometer reads the speed limits, then off in a distance, you see someone passing other traffic that isn't getting closer, you can reasonably be assured that they are speeding. On my road, doing the speed limit takes about 35 seconds to get from the barn of the neighbors property to the edge of the horse fence, if it's only taking 20 seconds, you can bet someone is speeding.
This ruling came from a case where the speeder got the radar thrown out and the cop claimed he estimated the speed at a higher rate then the radar showed. The defendant then attempted to claim the cop was wrong because the now defunct radar resulted showed it differently. They then attempted to get the supreme court to make a rule stating that visual estimates alone is not enough to issue a stop or citation for speed or get a conviction. In this case, the radar put the guy in excess of 15 mph over the limit and the cop's estimate was more then 20 mph over the posted limit. So if a car appears to be going 33 percent faster then all the other cars, the courts said there is reason to believe he was speeding.
However, the court also noted during arguments that this was a case with such a wide margin between the estimated speed and the posted speed limit. They expressed doubts that someone could estimate 5 mph over the limit at highway speeds and so on. They also attempted to see if there was a way to find out the accuracy of the estimations made during training and simply suggested that the way to fight this would be to question the skills of the officer estimating the speed.
It isn't a valid question, judges in Ohio get a salary that is paid no matter how many tickets are issued or not. They do not get commissions or anything of the sort. It may be that the fund the actual salary comes from is supplied or supplemented by citations, but it wouldn't effect their salary or benefits if no citations or twice as many was ever processed.
Low cost is a relative term. What is low to you may be high to me because we live in different parts of the country and their is different costs expectations. So if we were to compare low cost alternative to outsourcing to China, it's probably not a true statement, but if we compare it to buying a facility in the same state, setting up the resources needed to operate the facility like phone service and plumbing, and paying taxes that you wouldn't necessarily need to pay if you used the prison labor, it can be a low cost alternative.
Now I do freely admit that companies can make money from these schemes. They get tax breaks, don't have all of the same business expenses, and so on. Sometimes they have to build a facility, sometimes it can be housed within the prison. It is an advantage to a company in most cases but they also take a reputation hit- especially when the public finds out they are talking to con artists already locked up. But there are benefits for the state too. Inmates get real world training that they can apply outside of prison after release. Because working is more of a reward system, inmates have better behavior reducing stress and staffing needs for the prison. And it offsets a lot of the costs of housing the inmates.
Sadly, I can't find any exact breakdowns either. That is why I offered my one personal experience. I haven't really found much outside of regulations that show the company side of the arrangement which is completely different from what the inmate side is.
I agree with this statement. I just don't think the current system has that incentive. It did in the past, but those days are gone. The current system is more of a rehabilitation program then anything. You can educate someone all you want, but they are still going to be pretty knowledgeable when they attempt to apply that new found knowledge fresh out of school. This situation not only gives knowledge but creates real world experience that can translate into a real world job when they get released. Drug dealers who chose to deal drugs over working at burger king now have a third option that may be enough to bypass the pull to return to dealing drugs. It creates honest opportunities for people that may not have had too many before getting busted for whatever it was. It's still up to the inmate to pursuit, but at least they aren't being dumped into the same hopeless situation that drove them to whatever crime got them busted in the first place.
So exactly what is wrong with Intelligent design outside of it's connections to religion? I mean you spend a lot of time making the connection, claiming that everyone is lying about not having one, so outside of that, what is wrong with it?
Most of ID says that some things need a push in order to get to where we are today. Id doesn't really challenge observer scientific facts, just the inferences made from those facts. So what exactly is wrong with ID.
You just spent a good deal of effort lumping all ID intercourse with some religion and connecting everyone who wants to explore it with some massive wedge conspiracy designed to thwart scientific knowledge and you do not see that as being historically important? I mean common, if it really is a religion in disguise that revolves around a massive conspiracy, then it is pretty significant.
I think you hit the nail without knowing it here. Before science explained anything, religions did. And science, just like religion, doesn't always get it right. Having an explanation for something doesn't mean it happened that way either, even if it is possible that is could of.
This wouldn't be a problem if science was presented as science and religion is presented as religion- even when they overlap and come into conflict. But sadly that isn't the case and you have people saying one is right over the other. The reason it gets pushed into schools is because children are compelled by law to attend and end up having some half trained science teacher who holds a degree that doesn't even specialize in science, state that evolution or the big bang or abiogenesis is right and creation is wrong. Of course science doesn't say that creation is wrong, it only says that the evidence shows us something different. You sort of even tread on the same steps with the insinuation that because science has an explanation, religions shouldn't.
Well here is the question that IDer's tend to raise. Suppose you were God and wanted the earth to look like it does and adapt the way it does. Would you start by creating a single part of life and letting it find it's way together and hopefully diverse itself into the marvels of nature we know and love today? Or would you set the ball rolling, get the complicated things out of the way, and let the evolution and natural selection maintain the system? Or better yet, lets take this from a more scientific approach, suppose you wanted to do an experiment with bacteria and how it interacts with genetically modified foods. Do you just throw an ear of GM corn in a petri dish and hope for the best, or do you prepare samples, introduce the bacteria in controlled environment and use devices to maintain that control?
The answer to these is really unimportant because either approach will not rule out the possibility of the other approach achieving similar results. But one way will be more likely to succeed in desired results over the other. The big difference is in how much manipulation you put into it to achieve the complex system you are after (whether acting as a god or scientists). IDer want to think that chance is too random to achieve what we have today. They can look around and ask why did it stop if it was all by chance. The answer to why it stopped are just as magical as god did it with a something is different now but we don't know what or whatever. And the explanations or examples to why it hasn't stopped is more of a twist on defined terms or semantics then real visualizations of it. At least to anyone capable of critically thinking. So the bottom line with IDer seems to be someone or something had to help us to where we are today which is basically the same thing as god did it.
So you are saying that something that has cooked up so much controversy and cause so much uproar over the last 20 some years isn't history? How long do we have to wait until Bill Clinton getting a blowjob in office or Obama being the first Black president of the US gets to be called history?
I think the impact on society or the conflict that is caused along with how it has shaped society makes it history worthy regardless of how long ago it is/was.
And I would say look at how many nonviolent offenders that are incarcerated that are also forced to work. It's almost negligible if you discount the one who volunteer.
No, hte company will pay a premium wage, more like hiring a temp worker instead of a full blown worker. The state picks up or forgives certain taxes and so on because making criminal into good workers is part of a healthy rehabilitation process. Make no mistake, setting up shop in a prison is not the same as moving to some third world country as far as labor savings go.
I have some personal experience in this area too. I hired the local (county) jail facility to do trash cleanup after a benefit I helped organized. (a mother and father of two were killed by a drunk driver and the surviving children would have been separated and placed in foster care if the only known next of kin- a disabled grandmother on a fixed income- couldn't find a means to support them). Anyways, it costs us close to $12.00 an hour per inmate plus the costs of sheriffs and guards at overtime rates to get about 40 inmates out to a 20 acre plot and dump trash cans, pick up litter, and help deconstruct two of the stages. My understanding is that the inmates only received about $3.50 an hour from the sheriff's department. Thankfully, a 3 local law-firms picked up the tab for that and it didn't come out of the collections.
Granted, this is a local experience but my understanding is that it's a standard practice.
This may be true, but I don't think it means what you want it to mean. Federal law requires that prison labor (prison industries) operate the prison shops that no single private industry shall be forced to bear an undue burden of competition from the products of the prison workshops, and to reduce to a minimum competition with private industry or free labor. Rules set forth on this require that inmates or goods and services in direct competition with open markets (not goods or services provided to the government) can't be sold unless a prevailing wage is paid to the inmate.
I have heard rumors and stories of ways to get around this though.
I don't think that happens. Certainly the federal laws suggest it shouldn't be happening.
As far as judges are concerned, they should be open and disclose all contributions or connections with anyone related to any of these prison industries. If there is a connection, th
Interesting. This isn't true from my readings of the purposed laws and the treaties. However, the treaties do not dictate punishment- but they do dictate which needs to be a criminal act and which can be a non-criminal violation.
Perhaps you could specify what and where they go far beyond. I don't count a penalty as being beyond because they require one, they just don't list the severity of it.
Again, the solution needs to address the treaty. If you simply attempt to defeat the laws before or after they are made, you will end up with a never ending battle where you incrementally lose everything until one day their goal is achieved. If you defeat the treaty (or adoption thereof) or perhaps even manage to get your politicians to have the treaties changed, then the battle is over.
It's like this. Suppose BP had a gas station on a hill up from your home. It leaks gasoline (like the oil well in the gulf) and every once in a while it catches fire. Attacking the politicians is like telling you that you should build your home somewhere else. Attacking the bills and laws they present is like putting the fire out but never addressing the gasoline leaks. Fixing the leaks so you don't have to worry about it catching fire repeatedly is like addressing the treaties and will have the effect of letting the fire burn out before causing too much damage. Which scenario would you prefer to live in, the one with the leaks fixed, the one where you have to constantly put out fires, or the one where you have to pick up and move to be comfortable.
I find it extremely humorous when idiots pretend to be witty.
While hollywood might have something to do with it in the original, the drive to pass a DMCA style legislation in Canada and Europe as well as most the rest of the country derives from two WIPO treaties. The WCT and WPPT both demand the DMCA laws to be passed. They don't dictate penalties for the violation or anything but making circumvention and certain other things illegal is spelled directly out in the treaties. Perhaps you should look at them and instead of waving word phrases that have nothing to do with the situation like sucking hollywood's cock and bribes are still being paid in full, you could do something constructive and actually address the root of the problem. Otherwise, anyone in the know (which your politicians will be), will just think you are another retarded monkey who doesn't know what's going on.
I'm sorry if that sounds harsh, but with the internet and how many times this has come up, I would assume the people commenting on it would at least know what's behind it. And no, this isn't a conservative verses another party thing. It's a treaty or sets of them that allow special trade arrangements once implemented and allows certain restrictions if not. Canada signed onto the treaties (as well as the EU) and eventually, any party will bring it up because it's sort of their obligation. Now if they back out of the treaties or get them changed, then your problem disappears. But claiming the politicians are taking bribes or sucking cock is not going to make that happen.
Prison labor in the current US isn't really the same as in the older days. In the old days, laws were passed just to get people into prisons and the forced labor netted someone a profit. Now it's mostly volunteer, generally is some remedial task the prison already needs done, and is offered as a reward for not fucking up. There are some businesses that contract out with states in order to help fund some of the prisons but it doens't offset the costs of the prisoner.
Granted, there are still some chain gangs in some areas, but they cost more to operate then hiring a construction company to just come in and dig the ditches or whatever. Outside of litter pickup which is handled mostly by volunteers or paid employees funded by volunteers (adopt a highway programs), it costs more to use forced prison labor in these areas.
Actually, another way out of this is to get rid of the WIPO's WCT and WPPT treaties. That or have your government amend them. The reason why this is being brought up again and again is because it's built into a treaty that Canada (and the US, the EU on behalf of the EU member countries, and a lot of other countries)has signed on to. They get trade deals because of being members of the two treaties and the contents outside any penalties is required by the treaties.
For some reason, people don't want to work on the driving aspect of this and only focus on the local passages. This will only delay the passing of a DMCA like law. It will not remove it. Changing the treaties will negate the necessity of it.