There you people go again, assuming i want to waste my time on "customizing" website feeds just because it bites over too wide an audience. I don't wanna, i like a bit of variety within reasonable limits. this whole selecting everything you get fed day in and day out really narrows your world view, and if you don't think that market data on you is being auctioned off, you are sorely mistaken.
DICE must be trying to piss of ppl like me who've slashdotting for way over a decade. If i have to go fucking reddit (bring the flamewar, but that site makes me want to end my life. you can only see so many stupid fucking posts of cat/omgthishappenedtodaylookatmecuzimnarcissistc pictures.)
This is nothing new at all, sadly. Things like this have directly lead to less openness amongst hackers an has lead to an influx of shady interests trying to gain favor.
From the bottom of my heart I sincerely hope you burn in this thing they call hell if you sell these monkeys these weapons of mass destruction to make a buck. They have no clue what power they wield.
You guys actually have bread over there? I saw many preservative laden facsimiles that looked like the real thing, however I realized when not even mold would eat it, that it surely wasn't bread:)
I suggest a few bright infrared bulbs and a battery in your cap, to the cameras you will likely look like jesus himself. could hurt your eyes so wear eye protection..
Plenty to gain; Kaspersky is installed all over parts of the world that in high interest and these did find stuxnet out. Probably they decided it was better to use them as access vector instead of a worm that could spin out of control.
I'll bite; The ignorance in this one.
Seriously, one can consume marijuana in a variety of ways. IMHO smoking is one of the poorest ways to consume it. Some prefer edibles, some prefer vaporization, some even drink it it, hell you can turn THC(and the other stuff) into an acetate (you know like some certain painkillers' active ingredient form) and absorb through the skin. I think most people will agree that smoking is less than ideal, and smoking anything is most likely harmful to you.
I was a smoker of cigarettes for..a long time, once i rid myself of that *shit*, there was little to no appeal in smoking cannabis anymore, but to me consumption has many positive upsides so i found a better consumption. Just because people smoke something it doesn't mean that is the only method of administration. Frankly, the vaporizer smells less(almost nothing), tastes better and yields a much cleaner high - and my airways, lungs and so forth clearly feels different. You know could ban smoking the plant in public without banning the plant or it's use. I remember smoking on airplanes: I was a child, and even then I understood how bat shit crazy that was.
Kaspersky was likely targeted because they are very popular in that that part of the world: Russia, middle-east, so forth. Owning Kaspersky, if indeed it was a complete compromise, in effect means you can access data(potentially execute) from every single computer that runs Kaspersky software: you are in a position of trust at this point. Trust is a _dangerous_ thing in computer security terms, do not let this fool you. As most antivirus software will send home "suspecious" files for analysis, I expect they would leverage this functionality to have well hidden backdoor in legit, properly installed software. Of course, here is also the source code: bug hunting it much easier with it, hence why the only program with even a slight chance of being trustworthy is one you can get the source code to, given that someone with the proper skills audits it.
It's about high time we realize that closed source ecosystems is horrible for security; because it can be challenging to actually audit, or at least time consuming.
I wish hackers would stop selling script kiddie-ready 0days to governments, these people have no idea of the power they wield with these things. I'm looking at you the grugq, etc: you people are a disgrace to every hacker in the known universe and you are actively helping authoritarian regimes and agencies with no oversight to suppress people and other countries, and profiting off it.
In any event, I believe that the stuxnet team learned a lesson from their run of stuxnet in Iran; namely that there are easier targets to compromise to get in there with better access, because how do you beat the people you can't beat? you join them.
AFAIK There is a history of hacking into german state networks by all sorts of people over the years: Everything from vandalism to espionage. While firewall and IDS and so forth are all theoretically nice things, the theory could be incomplete: 0day can happen to anyone. Identifying exploits in binary streams over the network can be quite difficult, as they can be encrypted, encoded, obfuscated, and often times are just using vanilla functionality to leverage a bug that _nobody_ knows about and this is mighty hard to find.
The sad fact of the matter is that many, if not most, of people in charge of security couldn't exploit a buffer overflow so save their lives. They have little to no understanding of the underlying mechanics of attacks and are dependent on high level (snake oil) tools from 3rd party vendors to even have a fighting chance to see what is going on. Everyone talks a big game and yet the core of hackers in the world who know their stuff is nowhere near as big as the number of people in the info-sec industry, obviously someone is incompetent. Google is right: Finding bugs, well worthwhile bugs, is hard. It wouldn't be an art if it wasn't. It's fun tho:)
It seems to me that the problem is that the user does not want put in the effort to learn about the tools and services they are using. It's conceived as overly complex, probably because of a combination of factors like zealots, technical jargon, corporate bullshit, etc. Even when it is not it's conceived as intrusive.
The fact of the matter is that humans are stubborn creatures, and many humans think that when they graduate they don't have to learn anything new, ever.
Most people don't have advanced degrees in economics and related fields to advertising, so they simply cannot comprehend how data mined they are being and why it is bad, often because off short-sightedness, "if you have nothing to hide.." comes to mind. Narcissism takes precedence to security with a lot of people, evidently, just look at facebook membership rates and the amount of facade-building (fake/phony/w/e) profiles with all kinds of information others with different frames of mind can use and abuse.
The only reasonably safe software is software you can and _do_ audit, where you can access source code to see what programmers have done. No closed source ecosystem can ever provide this. Stop putting everything in services, cloud, whatever and learn about the tools you are using, computers are good at numbers, so you can assume they can be useful to encrypt your stuff to keep it safe, too. RTFM.
You can do something. You can do many things. Turn on, tune in, drop out: Would you leave your laptop with a total stranger? No? Why would you leave your data with total strangers then?
$0.02
The Stasi would get their pants in a wet bunch if they were around today:) USA has become a fascist state. These people they do not care about anything other than their own things. Damage to you and me is just the cost of doing business for them. REFORM IS NEEDED NOW! Didn't FBI come to life inspecting brothels? Perhaps they should go back to that or dismantle if there is no longer a demand for this.
a) hackers rule
b) hackers rule
c) take your ignorant, non-coding, lazy ass, no good bullshit criminal 4 hire lists and shove them.
Seriously though, you do realize we built this place(the internet, this site, probably the computer you are using now, etc), and you confusing 'hacker' with criminal is starting to border on the absurd, so i think from now on all non-hacking geeks are simply know as pedophiles. how do you like them apples, pedophile?
Sorry grandpa, but the term crackers has had nothing to do with computers for at least 30 years. Like it or not but "hackers" has taken its place. Now, what ever happened to script kiddies?
30 years ago I was still many years away from having cognitive memory, and as I don't even have a kid, I don't see how I can be grandpa. you look kind of ignorant tho.:)
"Script kiddies" really only fit a subset of malicious "hackers", if you must. These "skiddies", as we call them, typically abuse tools written by hackers or amateurs for one purpose or another. These people are mostly without programming talent.
The fact is that most experienced hackers know what power they wield, understand how much work goes into the r&d stage(playing around, etc.).
While i personally never agreed with calling them crackers(a great disservice to many great software crackers out there, something that is an art onto itself), that is in fact what was decided years before the media and all manner of ignorant people decided to use the term exclusively for criminal depictions. The fact is you mostly mean to say "criminals", not hackers. Hackers are how the internet got here in first place; how it broke out of the labs and broke ground in the population at large.
That OS, Linux/android, that most likely drives one or more cell phones in your home was once the laughing stock of the commercial world, written off as amateur crap from amateur hackers. Today it dominates the market with only one real competitor in the cell market, and different one in the server market. In case you have an iPhone maybe you should check out the origins of it's Darwin core and FreeBSD origins. By hackers for hackers has become by hackers for everyone and the world owe many brilliant minds an enormous gratitude for sharing all their wonderful code and ideas for FREE. Today corporations and persons both profit enormously from this.
In simplified terms "hacker" just means you're playful and curious about things, some of those things might be a worry to some, often ignorant minds, and a delight to others. Tho ignorance is bliss, it can also be incredibly dangerous, yours should not be everyone else' problem. This whole thing started with model train set enthusiasts, so go figure:)
So basically, they want to turn Europe into the people that left for the "new world" in the first place, puritans? good thing i checked out of society ages ago. dealing with this level of crazy just requires too much medicine vapor without them picking up the tab for it, not to mention forcing people to foot the bill for their misguided actions in every possible area.
Slashdot Mirror
There you people go again, assuming i want to waste my time on "customizing" website feeds just because it bites over too wide an audience. I don't wanna, i like a bit of variety within reasonable limits. this whole selecting everything you get fed day in and day out really narrows your world view, and if you don't think that market data on you is being auctioned off, you are sorely mistaken.
tried it, wasn't convinced, i'm not that easy to win over i guess :)
Pretty much sums up what I found, but the way this is going it may be best to just bite the bullet :)
Honestly, one less generically filled out vague template to waste time on. also aren't these the same people who feed the NSA? that's the true abuse.
DICE must be trying to piss of ppl like me who've slashdotting for way over a decade. If i have to go fucking reddit (bring the flamewar, but that site makes me want to end my life. you can only see so many stupid fucking posts of cat/omgthishappenedtodaylookatmecuzimnarcissistc pictures.)
This is nothing new at all, sadly. Things like this have directly lead to less openness amongst hackers an has lead to an influx of shady interests trying to gain favor. From the bottom of my heart I sincerely hope you burn in this thing they call hell if you sell these monkeys these weapons of mass destruction to make a buck. They have no clue what power they wield.
You guys actually have bread over there? I saw many preservative laden facsimiles that looked like the real thing, however I realized when not even mold would eat it, that it surely wasn't bread :)
I suggest a few bright infrared bulbs and a battery in your cap, to the cameras you will likely look like jesus himself. could hurt your eyes so wear eye protection..
That's the first sane post this entire thread ;)
Plenty to gain; Kaspersky is installed all over parts of the world that in high interest and these did find stuxnet out. Probably they decided it was better to use them as access vector instead of a worm that could spin out of control.
I'll bite; The ignorance in this one. Seriously, one can consume marijuana in a variety of ways. IMHO smoking is one of the poorest ways to consume it. Some prefer edibles, some prefer vaporization, some even drink it it, hell you can turn THC(and the other stuff) into an acetate (you know like some certain painkillers' active ingredient form) and absorb through the skin. I think most people will agree that smoking is less than ideal, and smoking anything is most likely harmful to you. I was a smoker of cigarettes for ..a long time, once i rid myself of that *shit*, there was little to no appeal in smoking cannabis anymore, but to me consumption has many positive upsides so i found a better consumption. Just because people smoke something it doesn't mean that is the only method of administration. Frankly, the vaporizer smells less(almost nothing), tastes better and yields a much cleaner high - and my airways, lungs and so forth clearly feels different. You know could ban smoking the plant in public without banning the plant or it's use. I remember smoking on airplanes: I was a child, and even then I understood how bat shit crazy that was.
this has to be some sort of bad joke, nobody is laughing at the horrendous quality of articles and the repeat nature of them.. christ.
If it makes you feel any better, that spyware was at least partially made in the U.S.A. :)
Kaspersky was likely targeted because they are very popular in that that part of the world: Russia, middle-east, so forth. Owning Kaspersky, if indeed it was a complete compromise, in effect means you can access data(potentially execute) from every single computer that runs Kaspersky software: you are in a position of trust at this point. Trust is a _dangerous_ thing in computer security terms, do not let this fool you. As most antivirus software will send home "suspecious" files for analysis, I expect they would leverage this functionality to have well hidden backdoor in legit, properly installed software. Of course, here is also the source code: bug hunting it much easier with it, hence why the only program with even a slight chance of being trustworthy is one you can get the source code to, given that someone with the proper skills audits it. It's about high time we realize that closed source ecosystems is horrible for security; because it can be challenging to actually audit, or at least time consuming. I wish hackers would stop selling script kiddie-ready 0days to governments, these people have no idea of the power they wield with these things. I'm looking at you the grugq, etc: you people are a disgrace to every hacker in the known universe and you are actively helping authoritarian regimes and agencies with no oversight to suppress people and other countries, and profiting off it. In any event, I believe that the stuxnet team learned a lesson from their run of stuxnet in Iran; namely that there are easier targets to compromise to get in there with better access, because how do you beat the people you can't beat? you join them.
AFAIK There is a history of hacking into german state networks by all sorts of people over the years: Everything from vandalism to espionage. While firewall and IDS and so forth are all theoretically nice things, the theory could be incomplete: 0day can happen to anyone. Identifying exploits in binary streams over the network can be quite difficult, as they can be encrypted, encoded, obfuscated, and often times are just using vanilla functionality to leverage a bug that _nobody_ knows about and this is mighty hard to find. The sad fact of the matter is that many, if not most, of people in charge of security couldn't exploit a buffer overflow so save their lives. They have little to no understanding of the underlying mechanics of attacks and are dependent on high level (snake oil) tools from 3rd party vendors to even have a fighting chance to see what is going on. Everyone talks a big game and yet the core of hackers in the world who know their stuff is nowhere near as big as the number of people in the info-sec industry, obviously someone is incompetent. Google is right: Finding bugs, well worthwhile bugs, is hard. It wouldn't be an art if it wasn't. It's fun tho :)
yeah, you'd think these people would take a hint eh? i guess the results of BETA is a distant memory to them :)
It seems to me that the problem is that the user does not want put in the effort to learn about the tools and services they are using. It's conceived as overly complex, probably because of a combination of factors like zealots, technical jargon, corporate bullshit, etc. Even when it is not it's conceived as intrusive. The fact of the matter is that humans are stubborn creatures, and many humans think that when they graduate they don't have to learn anything new, ever. Most people don't have advanced degrees in economics and related fields to advertising, so they simply cannot comprehend how data mined they are being and why it is bad, often because off short-sightedness, "if you have nothing to hide .." comes to mind. Narcissism takes precedence to security with a lot of people, evidently, just look at facebook membership rates and the amount of facade-building (fake/phony/w/e) profiles with all kinds of information others with different frames of mind can use and abuse.
The only reasonably safe software is software you can and _do_ audit, where you can access source code to see what programmers have done. No closed source ecosystem can ever provide this. Stop putting everything in services, cloud, whatever and learn about the tools you are using, computers are good at numbers, so you can assume they can be useful to encrypt your stuff to keep it safe, too. RTFM.
You can do something. You can do many things. Turn on, tune in, drop out: Would you leave your laptop with a total stranger? No? Why would you leave your data with total strangers then?
$0.02
Finally!@#$% :)
The Stasi would get their pants in a wet bunch if they were around today :) USA has become a fascist state. These people they do not care about anything other than their own things. Damage to you and me is just the cost of doing business for them. REFORM IS NEEDED NOW! Didn't FBI come to life inspecting brothels? Perhaps they should go back to that or dismantle if there is no longer a demand for this.
Amen, brother.
a) hackers rule b) hackers rule c) take your ignorant, non-coding, lazy ass, no good bullshit criminal 4 hire lists and shove them. Seriously though, you do realize we built this place(the internet, this site, probably the computer you are using now, etc), and you confusing 'hacker' with criminal is starting to border on the absurd, so i think from now on all non-hacking geeks are simply know as pedophiles. how do you like them apples, pedophile?
Who bought it from.. wait for it.. Cisco of USA :)
http://www.wired.com/2008/05/l... - in case you want extra sources :)
Sorry grandpa, but the term crackers has had nothing to do with computers for at least 30 years. Like it or not but "hackers" has taken its place. Now, what ever happened to script kiddies?
30 years ago I was still many years away from having cognitive memory, and as I don't even have a kid, I don't see how I can be grandpa. you look kind of ignorant tho. :)
"Script kiddies" really only fit a subset of malicious "hackers", if you must. These "skiddies", as we call them, typically abuse tools written by hackers or amateurs for one purpose or another. These people are mostly without programming talent. The fact is that most experienced hackers know what power they wield, understand how much work goes into the r&d stage(playing around, etc.). While i personally never agreed with calling them crackers(a great disservice to many great software crackers out there, something that is an art onto itself), that is in fact what was decided years before the media and all manner of ignorant people decided to use the term exclusively for criminal depictions. The fact is you mostly mean to say "criminals", not hackers. Hackers are how the internet got here in first place; how it broke out of the labs and broke ground in the population at large. That OS, Linux/android, that most likely drives one or more cell phones in your home was once the laughing stock of the commercial world, written off as amateur crap from amateur hackers. Today it dominates the market with only one real competitor in the cell market, and different one in the server market. In case you have an iPhone maybe you should check out the origins of it's Darwin core and FreeBSD origins. By hackers for hackers has become by hackers for everyone and the world owe many brilliant minds an enormous gratitude for sharing all their wonderful code and ideas for FREE. Today corporations and persons both profit enormously from this. In simplified terms "hacker" just means you're playful and curious about things, some of those things might be a worry to some, often ignorant minds, and a delight to others. Tho ignorance is bliss, it can also be incredibly dangerous, yours should not be everyone else' problem. This whole thing started with model train set enthusiasts, so go figure :)
So basically, they want to turn Europe into the people that left for the "new world" in the first place, puritans? good thing i checked out of society ages ago. dealing with this level of crazy just requires too much medicine vapor without them picking up the tab for it, not to mention forcing people to foot the bill for their misguided actions in every possible area.