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Report: Internet Users Feel Powerless To Protect Their Privacy From Corporations

Mark Wilson writes: A paper produced by a team at the University of Pennsylvania confirms something many people have probably thought true for some time: the notion that internet users are unhappy with the way their privacy is undermined by advertisers and online companies, yet feel there is nothing they can do about it. While marketing companies like to present an image of customers who are happy to hand over personal information in return for certain benefits, the truth is rather different. Rather than dedicating time and energy to trying to stop personal data from being exploited, people are instead taking it on the chin and accepting it as part and parcel of modern, online life. It's just the way things are.

236 comments

  1. Wait, what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Is the article implying that there IS a way to protect our privacy? How?

    1. Re:Wait, what? by msauve · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "How?"

      Realize that the Internet is not the web. Install an ad/tracking blocker. Avoid, or delete your accounts on Facebook/Google/Apple/"social media". Pay for a domain(s), and use different email addresses for different accounts. Use a VPN. Regularly clear cookies in your browser. Vote for politicians who "get it," and truly understand the Internet, surveillance and privacy.

      Donate to the the EFF.

      There's more, which is left as an exercise for the reader.

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    2. Re:Wait, what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Realize that the Internet is not the web.

      How 90s of you. Nowadays it's "Facebook isn't the web".

    3. Re:Wait, what? by Dracos · · Score: 2

      But those only work in FireFox. If you really want to increase your privacy, add those hostnames to your hosts file. Mine contains ~131k tracker/adserver hosts mapped to 0.0.0.0 (there's even about a dozen for facebook). This doesn't just drop the served mal-content, it prevents requests to those hosts at the system level for all browsers or other software.

      As a consequence I rarely see any ads on the internet and my browser ad-blocking/privacy plugins have a very light workload.

    4. Re:Wait, what? by tlambert · · Score: 4, Funny

      Is the article implying that there IS a way to protect our privacy? How?

      (1) Hack the company's servers
      (2) Delete the data they have collected
      (3) Hope the do not detect the intrusion before their rolling backups overwrite their pervious backups which include your data
      (4) ???
      (5) Profit!

      Not that this is really recommended; they are bigger than you, legally speaking.

    5. Re: Wait, what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Could you elaborate on how you can manage the list and keep it up to date? I want to implement something similar on my firewall/router box but haven't figured out a good way to implement the list yet. Where to get the data?

    6. Re:Wait, what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah. My mom will do all of that.

      I think you are completely missing the point. Not giving up your privacy should be something *everybody* can do, and in fact should be the default position. You should have to take steps to give it up.

      But all of the sheep want to be entertained and don't care what they have to do to get entertained.

    7. Re: Wait, what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Someone with a solution for your problem will be here shortly. Please hold.

    8. Re:Wait, what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Don't trust things that are free, as a given. If you can't play that nifty game/app of the month on your phone/tablet/computer with internet turned off, then you need to rethink your download.

      TANSTAFL

    9. Re: Wait, what? by Dracos · · Score: 2

      The list I use is the result of merging three separate adserver blacklists about a decade ago. It honestly doesn't require all that much maintenance... if I see an ad, I find the hostname it came from and add it to the hosts file. I think I've made 3 such edits in the past year or so.

    10. Re:Wait, what? by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      You missed the point.

      Consumers don't want to fuck with your suggestions. They just want to do their particular thing and be safe.

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    11. Re:Wait, what? by CaptainDork · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Your use of the word "sheep" is the problem.

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    12. Re:Wait, what? by Whiteox · · Score: 1

      This IS a browser issue on the surface. I can't see why a strengthened browser can't be available with full privacy default settings, spoofing 3rd party cookies to enable websites dependent on them to work.

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    13. Re:Wait, what? by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      So, your sails have no wind.

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    14. Re:Wait, what? by msauve · · Score: 0

      Only what comes from your ass.

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      "National Security is the chief cause of national insecurity." - Celine's First Law
    15. Re:Wait, what? by Coniptor · · Score: 0

      They are both very important but I don't believe that is true.
      I found an xpi extension on bugzilla before the first leadership change that I can't fucking find anymore.
      It blocks silent cross-site Authentication Header cookies that you CANNOT normally block. They are SuperCookies. The site can silently "authenticate" without your knowledge creating a basic auth authentication "Supercookie" that is remembered and retained until browser exit (Or possibly remembered by your Session saver extension if so configured) and can be used to bypass the normal cookies that Mozilla has been making "easier" to disable, ha, har har, har.
      The extension is called authtest.xpi.
      Another that to my knowledge hasn't been ported to Firefox yet is WindowNameEraser which conditionaly clears window.name between transitioning sites. Please check out ip-check.info to see the authtest/Authentication Header and Window Name in action as a proof of concept. Also if not already known panopticlick.eff.org, and browserspy.dk. There are others but I don't have the exhaustive list handy.
      Then there is geo location/positioning, canvas, webrtc, visited links (Still not fucking fixed and known about since Phoenix/Gecko/Firefox 1 ), cache. Still firefox aside from Torbrowser or Jondo is the most *secureable* browser out there. What ever security "gains" you get with Chrome OR Chromium fly out the window wrt ip-check.info.
      What is a good site to share an extension on and forget about?

    16. Re: Wait, what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I use unbound on my firewall and redirect them

      wget -q -O- --header\="Accept-Encoding: gzip" 'http://pgl.yoyo.org/adservers/serverlist.php?hostformat=hosts&mimetype=plaintext' | \
      gunzip | \
      awk '/^127\./{
                      print "local-zone: \"" $2 "\" redirect"
                      print "local-data: \"" $2 " A 127.0.0.1\""
      }' > unbound_ad_servers

      then add an include line to your unbound.conf pointing to the full path of
      the unbound_ad_servers file:
      include: unbound_ad_servers

      (I stole this from someone else)

    17. Re:Wait, what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      These methods are not effective, and ultimately they are doomed. The reasons are obvious:

      1) Their incentive to track us is stronger than our incentive to resist.
      2) Not enough people will do these things, so tracking will continue to be profitable, hence will continue to be done.
      3) You have no moral nor legal right to privacy when engaging in business transactions.
      4) Their lobbyists are better funded than yours.

      You can create some friction by resisting, but mostly the only one feeling the heat will be you. Tracking is part of how the world works now. It is one of the many aspects of reality that we just have to accept. You can no more stop tracking than you can stop scientific progress or force a Republican to be reasonable.

    18. Re:Wait, what? by Burz · · Score: 1

      "How?"

      Realize that the Internet is not the web. Install an ad/tracking blocker. Avoid, or delete your accounts on Facebook/Google/Apple/"social media". Pay for a domain(s), and use different email addresses for different accounts. Use a VPN. Regularly clear cookies in your browser. Vote for politicians who "get it," and truly understand the Internet, surveillance and privacy.

        Donate to the the EFF.

        There's more, which is left as an exercise for the reader.

      Add 'HTTPS Everywhere' extension to the list also.

      A list of tracker blockers:
          Disconnect
          Blur
          Ghostery

      A 'public' VPN like privateinternetaccess.com will give you more anonymity than a VPN you run yourself.

      Fingerprinting is an issue that I don't believe any of the above extensions address. Techies like us can have pretty unique browser fingerprints due to Linux and unusual plugins. These two extensions mask the unique information about browser software:
          Blender
          'Disable Plugin & Mimetype Enumeration' (Firefox)

      Finally, if you *really* want privacy you have to have a secure computer. Compartmentalizing your casual browsing to untrusted domains in a high-security OS like Qubes is your best bet against having your private data stolen.

    19. Re: Wait, what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for the info, I'm going to have a closer look at that list and see if I can put it into good use!

    20. Re: Wait, what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Politicians who "get it" are pro-surveillance and pro-business. They couldn't even get near a position to be elected otherwise. The more tech-savvy they are the more efficient they are in inflicting damage. The clueless politicians are the thugs with the length of pipe: they swing them left and right and break a lot of your bones before finally splitting open your skull. The politicians who understand technology are yhe thugs with stilettos and a thorough knowledge of anatomy: they finish you off with the first strike with you not even aware of it.

    21. Re:Wait, what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pay for a domain/set up different email accounts is the best way to do it, but if you want to avoid spending anything it is possible to find providers who will allow you to set up one off or single purpose accounts while automatically forward email to your real address.

      There are a bunch of different services that do similar things in this vein, depending on how some of them work it can be as simple as saying "OK, I gave this address to company A and now I'm getting spam from random third parties forwarded to my real address from it. Time to kill that address and remember not to deal with company A in the future".

      There are generally more flexible options etc if you are willing to spend a little - but if you need more than the free option gives you it might be or might not be a better choice (at least in terms of cash outlay) to just get a domain and DIY as parent suggests.

    22. Re: Wait, what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless you want to do something with those connections (log them, serve different files), you don't need any data in those zones at all. The domains will just fail to resolve and the browser won't even try to connect.

    23. Re:Wait, what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Okay folks, we found APK's account!

    24. Re:Wait, what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      TANSTAAFL. FTFY.

    25. Re:Wait, what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Remember the FBI states that anyone using VPNs or talking about encryption should be turned in to the local authorities immediately as a suspected terrorist.

    26. Re:Wait, what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Map to 127.0.0.1... it fails quicker.

    27. Re:Wait, what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Https Everywhere? No.

      The HTTPS system stores your machines "known host" SSL fingerprint. Once the advertisers and other trackers figure this out, SSL will be the biggest bane of your tracking life.

    28. Re:Wait, what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are ways, but it's very hard and you must be very very careful not to make a single mistake.

      1. Forget the idea that TOR or a VPN can protect you. That is NOT the way. The reasons are way to complex to go into right now.

      2. You have to become unknown in the real world, before you can become unknown in cyberspace. If you do so much as have your cell phone with you, or use a credit card or drivers license, or drive your car to the destination, or are on a security camera, or are known by people at your destination, then you have already failed.

      3. Obtain all hardware you plan to use via CASH ONLY!, and do NOT give personal information to the store you buy it from. When they ask for a phone number, tell them no.

      4. Do not register any hardware or software, or even ACTIVATE anything via Internet or phone. If the software requires it, don't use it. And do NOT use Windows. Use Linux TAILS or something similar via a bootable thumb drive.

      5. NEVER turn on your stealth equipment on or anyplace near your home, or vehicle, or anyplace that can be linked to you.

      6. Never use any email or access a web page that you have ever accessed from home or anyplace else. The instant you access one of those existing accounts on your stealth system, you have given yourself away.

      7. Study and adopt Grayman theory.

      8. Identify various internet public access hot spots.

      9. Time for you to vanish. No more use of your car, or people that know you, or your credit card, drivers license, cell phone, or anything else linked to you. You are now a completely diferent person, so don't even walk directly to your destination, and if you can, change your clothes at some other location.

      10. take your equipment in range of a hot spot, and don't forget that you are not the same person, so this new person has no knowledge of the original person.

      Hope that helps.

    29. Re:Wait, what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just be thankful he didn't tell the sheeple to wake up

    30. Re:Wait, what? by cyberchondriac · · Score: 2

      The only problem I've run across in using your own domain for email is that some places won't accept an email address using an "unknown" domain when creating an account. Case in point, Guitar World magazine, apparently they'll only accept accounts with an email from an ISP, or from Yahoo, Hotmail, or Gmail. It took me a few attempts to figure that out, because they won't even tell you why they won't send a registration activation email to that address.

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    31. Re:Wait, what? by msauve · · Score: 2

      So, if you own company "joesguitarstore.com" and want to use your work email, you're screwed? Sounds like a company to not do business with, because they're obviously customer hostile.

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    32. Re:Wait, what? by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      When is Hillary heading to Gitmo?

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    33. Re:Wait, what? by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

      Well, I wouldn't call it doing business with them, I just wanted to be able to post on their forums and make comments on articles, but yeah, it's a pain in the arse.
      I would assume it's their way of combating spambots but they're too heavy-handed with that approach.

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    34. Re:Wait, what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its funny how, in spite of it all, Google knows about nothing about me. They get me totally wrong. I'm not the person that they think I am. So, their prowess [and their ilks] is greatly exaggerated. Relax. Worry about the gov.

    35. Re:Wait, what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think he was talking more in the free (no charge) sense

    36. Re:Wait, what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You may want to check your reverse DNS lookup for your mail servers. Most mail servers will reject mail that the reverse lookup doesn't match the mail server name. Mail from a private domain should not get rejected just because it is a private domain. I haven't had this problem with mine except for AOL which wants you to register your domain with them. If a company rejects my mail because I don't use gmail then I'll spend my money else where.

      Yes I have been postmaster@ for many domains for many years.

    37. Re:Wait, what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some sheeple have wake-on-LAN, you insensitive clod!

    38. Re:Wait, what? by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      Poor implementation on your part.

      The other end offers much a more sustained volume of hot air.

      So, fail.

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  2. death/taxes by turkeydance · · Score: 1

    and those Facebook pictures.

    1. Re:death/taxes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you go places with your acquaintances, they'll take pictures. Either you become *that jerk* who always hides, covers their face or just plain yells at people to keep him off filmstrips... or you end up repeatedly tagged BY YOUR NAME. Social networks make face-tagging a completionist game with 'is this $so_and_so ?' reminders.

      So the only winning move is not to ever join the network. Like virginity, you know how giving that up voluntarily only needs to happen once, and can't be undone by "deleting" your account.

    2. Re:death/taxes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you go places with your acquaintances, they'll take pictures. Either you become *that jerk* who always hides, covers their face or just plain yells at people to keep him off filmstrips... or you end up repeatedly tagged BY YOUR NAME. Social networks make face-tagging a completionist game with 'is this $so_and_so ?' reminders.

      So the only winning move is not to ever join the network. Like virginity, you know how giving that up voluntarily only needs to happen once, and can't be undone by "deleting" your account.

      I forgot to add that when you join, you willingly provide them a unique and verified identifier for that old 'John Smith' tag. If you never join, then it is just a useless approximation.

      While I'm here, I'll add that it's dangerous to lend a smartphone to youngsters even if you credit card purchases are blocked. They go straight to the games downloads and just start downloading without regard to filesize. For 'need to activate a Google plus profile before playing this?' they just go 'sure, the phone's owner wouldn't mind!' I saw this happen and against my own advise let it take place. Then I deleted the Google + profile from the site, but the phone is still confused on whether I still am a G+ member when I look myself up in the contacts. Can't believe this type of bug is around, which proves my point that you only need to falter once.

  3. I just never give them my info. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Herman Munster at 1313 Mockingbird Lane is probably less than pleased with me though.

    1. Re:I just never give them my info. by The+New+Guy+2.0 · · Score: 1

      I notice the ads on Slashdot in the the "AdChioces"/Google slots are recommending my local bank and other sites I've been exploring recently... that's more effective than the Web 1.0 sponsors.

      Slashdot used to have tech companies in those slots, now it runs general interest or your interest ads.

    2. Re:I just never give them my info. by sexconker · · Score: 0

      The correct answer is Rusty Shakleford.

    3. Re:I just never give them my info. by jetkust · · Score: 1

      Then they will just take your info. What's your next move?

    4. Re:I just never give them my info. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now he's a judge in Alabama. If you are of Italian descent, you don't want to be in his courtroom.

  4. Do you mean "Internet Products", right ? by x0ra · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Everybody expect free services. Nobody want to pay for anything, and they all expect privacy. Maybe it's time to wake up. Facebook, Google, Amazon or Apple are not charities, they are for-profit companies. They must find way to monetize their users' data. At the same time, Facebook probably wouldn't have been if it had been paywall'ed.

    1. Re:Do you mean "Internet Products", right ? by Scutter · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There are plenty of paid products where you, the consumer and purchaser, are still treated like a commodity. Just because you handed over money for it doesn't mean you won't be sold to the highest bidder. It's easy to just say "wake up", but I suspect that you missed the point.

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    2. Re:Do you mean "Internet Products", right ? by Nyder · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Everybody expect free services. Nobody want to pay for anything, and they all expect privacy. Maybe it's time to wake up. Facebook, Google, Amazon or Apple are not charities, they are for-profit companies. They must find way to monetize their users' data. At the same time, Facebook probably wouldn't have been if it had been paywall'ed.

      And yet Facebook/Google make most their profits on users data. Apple sells hardware/software mainly and Amazon is just trying to be the goto place for everything.

      I think the problem is, we aren't getting a good enough return on the data we are giving them. I don't feel my data has done anything to improve my life or online services, but I sure as fuck know there are a lot of people living the cushy life by selling mine & others user data.

      While google does provide some services, not exactly sure anyone is getting there money's worth using them.

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    3. Re:Do you mean "Internet Products", right ? by tlambert · · Score: 1

      Everybody expect free services. Nobody want to pay for anything, and they all expect privacy. Maybe it's time to wake up. Facebook, Google, Amazon or Apple are not charities, they are for-profit companies. They must find way to monetize their users' data.

      Technically, there is no "must" there. They must find a way to monetize their users in order to remain in business, and yes, this often involves monetization through advertising. But non-targeted advertising, while less valuable than targeted, still has a non-zero value. Targeting is just a means of maximizing the profits that they will be getting from their advertisers.

    4. Re: Do you mean "Internet Products", right ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Restricting it to people that sign up would be a huge step in the right direction. Realizing that there needs to be actual consent and ability to control the data used would help as well.

      Right now it's an arms race and ads wind up blocked completely in part because of the spying.
      Targeted ads to the content should be sufficient. Tracking where I go ensures that I will never willingly click on an ad.

    5. Re:Do you mean "Internet Products", right ? by The+New+Guy+2.0 · · Score: 1

      Amazon lowers the market price on things without you noticing. They recently announced that they're getting a better deal on shipping wires and such, so they can lower the prices of wires at Amazon Prime, and that should result in Best Buy lowering their prices similarly because their $10 minimum wire cost is based on Amazon's price.

      You might not feel like you're beating the market, but you're beating the past prices on a lot of things there.

    6. Re:Do you mean "Internet Products", right ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yea, when my ISP is selling out my data even if I don't use any of those services, and most marketplaces I may buy at share data and sell it, it really just does seem pretty tough to stay away. Even on a new computer that I haven't logged into anything on, a simple serach for a product an Amazon will show in banner ads to months. You definitely get the feeling that without going fairly far out of your way with VPN, destructing cookies, special browsers, etc that you're pretty well tracked. I can do that at home, but not from everywhere I might log on. Makes it tough.

    7. Re:Do you mean "Internet Products", right ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To me there is not much difference between the FBI wanting to know your browser history to establish a weak case or analytic software design to measure real time response while interrupting your browsing. American privacy laws and their enforcement are among the worst in the world. People need to be their own advocate and learn about the software they are running. Companies and organizations alike well never yield full administrative control to their users. It's in their interest not to yield control.

    8. Re:Do you mean "Internet Products", right ? by Etherwalk · · Score: 2

      Amazon lowers the market price on things without you noticing. They recently announced that they're getting a better deal on shipping wires and such, so they can lower the prices of wires at Amazon Prime, and that should result in Best Buy lowering their prices similarly because their $10 minimum wire cost is based on Amazon's price.

      You might not feel like you're beating the market, but you're beating the past prices on a lot of things there.

      Yes, because they're screwing over their "partners." They make agreements not to poach certain products and then go in and come in right under their partners' prices on every other product. They're chasing margins, which is good short-term for value but forces all competition out of business. Ebay is the only competitor to amazon out there and they're not even trying to put themselves in the same class.

    9. Re:Do you mean "Internet Products", right ? by rtb61 · · Score: 2

      The only answer is to actively poison you data with things like 'Track Me Not' https://cs.nyu.edu/trackmenot/. Plus false information in social media (obviously good not bad false information), run public and private social media and public real name, private only a nick name close friends and some family members know. It is way easier to poison undesirable information about you than to get rid of it. So don't forget a specific junk mail web site as a trial period for new registers and have fun with fictitious family members and addresses and contact details.

      Reality is, want better privacy than manage your own social media, use ISP email, start looking into encryption (something singles can be slack on but families should most definitely not be) and when it comes to minors keep them will clear of corporate invasive perversion, there are sick people in there and they should not be trusted with you children's comings and goings nor what means are most effective at manipulating them.

      The high degree of privacy invasion is not just about targeting ads at you the reflect past interests but also monitoring which adds you can be most influenced by, so they can more readily suck you into buying highly profitable crap products.

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    10. Re:Do you mean "Internet Products", right ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think anyone is arguing that these service providers shouldn't make money. I think the argument is around *how* they make money. Selling ads? Fine. Snarfing up all sorts of information about me and using that? Not as much.

    11. Re:Do you mean "Internet Products", right ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How do you keep your children safe when the schools are forcing children to sign up for facebook in 4th grade?

    12. Re:Do you mean "Internet Products", right ? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      I think we need clearer language for talking about this. Does Google actually sell your user data? Well, kinda, depending on your definition...

      They sell advertising based on your web searches and the content of your email. They don't sell your actual data, they sell access to keywords that they extract from it but don't give to the advertisers. So I'd say that isn't selling your personal data, in the same way that if I visit any random web site they can look at the search terms I used (from the referrer header) and display advertising based on that. In fact that example is worse, since they can associate your data with your IP address and anything you do on the site.

      On the other hand Google does seem to lay claim to your personal documents and photos:

      When you upload, submit, store, send or receive content to or through our Services, you give Google (and those we work with) a worldwide license to use, host, store, reproduce, modify, create derivative works (such as those resulting from translations, adaptations or other changes we make so that your content works better with our Services), communicate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute such content. The rights you grant in this license are for the limited purpose of operating, promoting, and improving our Services, and to develop new ones.

      That last sentence seems to suggest that they won't sell your data, but does allow them to commercially exploit it in other ways. But you said "make most of their profits on user data", so I'm not sure that is correct.

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    13. Re:Do you mean "Internet Products", right ? by MTEK · · Score: 1

      Am I the only one who thinks about this whenever the doctor's office requires a signature that says they can disclose information with certain third parties?

      I mean, it's not like they're sharing my info with some sleazy marketing company (right??). Regardless, I usually freeze up a bit at the front desk and wonder "WTF does this entitle you to do??!".

    14. Re:Do you mean "Internet Products", right ? by grumling · · Score: 2

      You do realize the FBI can lock you up in jail, or even kill you if you "resist" arrest, right?

      Your software analyzer can't do that. I'd say that's a fairly huge difference.

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    15. Re:Do you mean "Internet Products", right ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do a search on Amazon pricing, because what they actually do is lure you in with low prices on some products and make it up on others.

      Same as any brick and mortar retail business.

      And really? Best Buy? The King's of the Bogus Extended Warranty?

    16. Re:Do you mean "Internet Products", right ? by IndustrialComplex · · Score: 1

      Oh your doctor's office might not be doing it directly, but whatever service they signed up with to manage their data sure as hell is.

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    17. Re:Do you mean "Internet Products", right ? by swillden · · Score: 1

      But non-targeted advertising, while less valuable than targeted, still has a non-zero value. Targeting is just a means of maximizing the profits that they will be getting from their advertisers.

      Not really. Targeting is harder and more expensive to do well than non-targeting. Advertisers really don't care whether they're buying targeted or untargeted advertising, they just want a good return for their advertising spend... it's the same to them whether their dollar of ad spend that generates two dollars of revenue is doing it by displaying a dozen carefully targeted ads or ten thousand untargeted ads.

      All of this means that advertisers and on-line ad services are just as happy to use and deliver, respectively, untargeted ads. So why are targeted ads so popular? Because users prefer them. Specifically, users prefer fewer ads and less visually-intrusive ads. This means site owners prefer fewer ads and less visually-intrusive ads. This means users and site owners prefer targeted ads over non-targeted ads, because achieving the same ad effectiveness without targeting means lots more and bigger ads.

      Remember what on-line advertising looked like pre-Google? Blinking banner ads everywhere? For that matter, take a look at the typical "36 weird ways to X" web site, with it's massive number of ads per page and content spread out over 40 pages. That's what untargeted online advertising looks like. There are exceptions, because some sites are so narrowly targeted that advertising on that particular site is all the relevant advertisers need to do. But that only works with narrowly-focused products on narrowly-focused sites. In all other situations, untargeted means massive ad volume.

      I don't want to see the web go that direction. If we want an alternative to targeted advertising, it should be paid services. Untargeted advertising sucks for users.

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    18. Re:Do you mean "Internet Products", right ? by The+New+Guy+2.0 · · Score: 1

      Amazon sells new, eBay is mostly used/refurbished stuff. They don't really compete.

  5. firefox, noscript and adblock plus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Makes a huge difference.

  6. I think so by anavictoriasaavedra · · Score: 1

    Somebody correct me if I'm wrong but I use Firefox with the following add-ons: AdBlock (no whitelist), Better Privacy, Google Analytics Opt Out, HTTPS-Everywhere, Noscript, Privacy Badger and Self-Destructing Cookies.

    1. Re:I think so by Irate+Engineer · · Score: 5, Funny

      Somebody correct me if I'm wrong but I use Firefox with the following add-ons: AdBlock (no whitelist), Better Privacy, Google Analytics Opt Out, HTTPS-Everywhere, Noscript, Privacy Badger and Self-Destructing Cookies.

      How are we supposed to know what add-ons you use?

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      Vote for Bernie in 2016!

    2. Re:I think so by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And do you still use gmail or facebook? All the blocking shit in the world doesnt matter when you hand your life's contents over directly.

    3. Re:I think so by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Sure I do. But not with my accounts, I'm not crazy. There's thousands out there, protected with weak passwords...

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    4. Re:I think so by reve_etrange · · Score: 1
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    5. Re:I think so by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By checking what data google has stored on him

    6. Re:I think so by dbitter1 · · Score: 1

      How are we supposed to know what add-ons you use?

      Work for the NSA?

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      For us carnivores, "Sucking the marrow out of life" isn't a transcendentalist philosophy but a practical instruction.
    7. Re:I think so by danagin · · Score: 1

      One thing that non of this will do he help you from IP address identification. Lookup aids, or 'early signs of x desease' .... It's not hard to tie that to a name based off of the scripts that you do allow to run on other sites that have your name. This is all too confusing and hectic, but I have levels in my head of what I'm ok with going to whome. I use 3 instances of firefox portable, and IXquick's proxied results. 1 ff portable is for social media, which I rarely use these days. 1ff portable is my general browser that I only log onto things where my real name and personal credentials aren't used. The last is for email and using IXQuick. IXQuick will allow you to search through privately and view pages through their proxy. This means that when the page loads on your screen, the IP address that requested the page is IXQuick's. The only problem there is that you can't use javascript on a proxied page, but that's not a huge deal. I think my next step will be to use a VM that is always using a VPN to deal with my personal confidential stuff, I just hate the idea of buying more windows licenses for this purpose.

  7. In other news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Sourceforge, property of slashdot media, delivers ad-ware/spyware with Gimp download.... (No mention on /., of course)

    http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/05/sourceforge-grabs-gimp-for-windows-account-wraps-installer-in-bundle-pushing-adware/

  8. DON'T PUT PICTURES OF YOUR COCK ONLINE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you want to preserve your privacy, then DON'T PUT PICTURES OF YOUR COCK ONLINE!

    1. Re:DON'T PUT PICTURES OF YOUR COCK ONLINE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      That's only an issue if your penis can identify you, right? That is, if other people have seen it. This being slashdot, I don't think most of us have to worry about that.

      However, if by cock you meant rooster, what's the big deal?

    2. Re:DON'T PUT PICTURES OF YOUR COCK ONLINE! by MobSwatter · · Score: 0

      If you want to preserve your privacy, then DON'T PUT PICTURES OF YOUR COCK ONLINE!

      Of course there is the other side of it, we could outlaw clothing. Then corps would lose money and we get to judge by direct sight if 'it' is out of the 5 years/50k miles warranty or not. Could be a win/win on the privacy security agenda for the NSA. ;)

    3. Re:DON'T PUT PICTURES OF YOUR COCK ONLINE! by Z00L00K · · Score: 5, Informative

      That's probably the least of your or my problem. It just shows that you are a narcissist, but if you want to make a fool out of yourself you are welcome.

      A much larger problem is the ability for corporations without my consent track my patterns on the internet and can therefore be able to connect me to political opinions, sexual preferences and which bank(s) I use and possibly also my bank account number and credit card numbers.

      Disabling of third-party cookies do help to some extent, enforcing session-based cookies as well, but not completely. AdBlock can also help a bit. At least it blurs the image of me on the net a bit for the information gatherers.

      All those sites like "doubleclick", "tradedoubler" and similar - they don't provide me as a user with any benefits at all. And there are a massive amount of such sites and very few are in the default blocklist of AdBlock.

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    4. Re:DON'T PUT PICTURES OF YOUR COCK ONLINE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      For the technically apt nerd, the solution is RequestPolicy which is a granular domain-based request control plugin for Firefox. You can set it to block all cross domain requests by default and then selectively enable those that are part of the site's functionality. Unfortunately, with the advent of CDNs and whatnot, most websites (such as Slashdot) will be entirely broken and making them work will require a fair bit of knowledge of how the web operates under the hood in some cases.

    5. Re: DON'T PUT PICTURES OF YOUR COCK ONLINE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      use TOR and be done. whats all the whining here, folks ?

    6. Re:DON'T PUT PICTURES OF YOUR COCK ONLINE! by radarskiy · · Score: 1

      If you must refrain from exercising a right or priviledge in order to preserve that right or priviledge, then you don't have that right or priviledge.

    7. Re:DON'T PUT PICTURES OF YOUR COCK ONLINE! by MTEK · · Score: 1

      Probably doesn't hurt to regularly update one's host file with a blacklist. The one I've been using is this:

      http://winhelp2002.mvps.org/ho...

    8. Re:DON'T PUT PICTURES OF YOUR COCK ONLINE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My cock is my password.
      verify me.

    9. Re:DON'T PUT PICTURES OF YOUR COCK ONLINE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Password too short."

  9. Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why would they feel powerless... When they are already essentially willingly giving out their personal information on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and other social media services...

    1. Re:Really? by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Willingly? Hardly. But it gets increasingly hard to avoid these things.

      By now you have companies that check your FB account. And if you don't have one and they can't find anything about you, they won't even consider you. Because, hey, if you don't have FB, you probably have to hide something, and we don't want you!

      It's also getting increasingly hard to sign up for anything without FB because companies offload the work of holding an account for you to FB or other such "services".

      And it's getting worse.

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    2. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Willingly? Hardly. But it gets increasingly hard to avoid these things.

      By now you have companies that check your FB account. And if you don't have one and they can't find anything about you, they won't even consider you. Because, hey, if you don't have FB, you probably have to hide something, and we don't want you!

      So glad I don't live in your country. I don't have FB - because I cannot be bothered. I have other uses for my time! Still, a company googling my name will find lots of information, as I don't live anonymously on the Internet. I usually use my full name, no nicknames/handles. And if they don't find what they want - they can ask during the interview.

      I honestly cannot understand why a facebook account could be important during hiring. (Other than NOT having something really dubious there.) If "no facebook" means you're hiding something, how about a largely unused facebook account with a 5 year old picture and no comments after the first week - because the owner didn't bother using the account? Surely, there are quite a few accounts like that. People too busy living their life, and no interest in commenting on each others dinners on facebook.

    3. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would they feel powerless... When they are already essentially willingly giving out their personal information on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and other social media services...

      I know, right. They also go outside and complain that they're powerless against cameras when they could just stay inside.

      People want to be able to communicate online. They feel like they don't have any choice but to give up their privacy to corporations because those choices are things like running your own e-mail server and making sure everyone you communicate with does the same. That's not a serious choice. The fix is to create open/distributed services and protocols that are not privacy-invading, but that's hard. Blaming normal people for being idiots because they aren't using services that don't exist doesn't help anything.

    4. Re:Really? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      What? You didn't like Facebook? What kind of antisocial weirdo are you? We don't want you in our company!

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      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    5. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (...) a company googling my name will find lots of information, as I don't live anonymously on the Internet.

      I can see that, fellow AC.

  10. in other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Internet users by the hundreds of millions give all their personal communications to online ad companies, including Google and Facebook. They have cheerfully gone from running their own mail programs to using Gmail or Ymail for everything. They gladly blab the private details of their lives, with photos, to Facebook and Twitter. They kept visiting signs once banner ads started... and then ran javascript from ad companies. They fall all over themselves every time there's a new service that vacuums up all their data, when there's no reason for that data to leave their own computer.

    Sorry, internet users, but fuck you. The internet didn't used to be like this. You are the ones who supported turning the fucking thing from a true peer to peer network into a centralized, data-mined clusterfuck of overcommercialization and profiling. I don't want to hear how you don't like it. You made all the choices that led here.

    OK, to be fair: not every last one of you. But enough that those who didn't were a rounding error and could be ignored.

    1. Re:in other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Blaming this on non-tech savvy users seems unreasonable. People didn't switch from using personal privacy protecting services to Google and Facebook. The internet had an influx of less savvy users who weren't given any better choices. And it's the people who understand technology who are the ones who actually had the power to give them good options.

    2. Re: in other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Power to give people the option not to be tracked? No thank you. That kind of reckless behavior is what puts you in the "not hire" list forever.

    3. Re:in other news... by grumling · · Score: 2

      Exactly, however it seems the acceptable business model is to sell eyeballs, not product. The first company that can provide me the same product as Gmail (ubiquitous email across multiple devices, all updated in real time), without the tracking and forced advertising gets my money. But anyone coming to a VC meeting with a pay-for-play product is going to be laughed out of the room.

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    4. Re:in other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is that you fail to account for network effects and those start long before the networks in question have an absolute majority. Fast-forward to today and running your own mail server is technically possible as long as you don't insist on actually sending or receiving mail and if you are not on Facebook the first question you'll get on every job interview and social outing is ‘Why are you not on Facebook?’ and the only right answer is ‘Sure I am, my acount is X.’
      We don't want to be tracked, we don't want social networks that know all about us, we don't want *mail sifting through all our correspondence, we don't want our maps to track where we go shopping, we don't want any of it. But in today's world, for most people, there is no other choice left.

  11. ack- you can avoid a lot of it though by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Certainly people are just being lazy. The EFF has a tool called Privacy Badger that works pretty well. You can easily install AddBlocker too. It's not a total solution and for anonymity in more critical cases there is the Tor Browser Bundle. Now none of this protects against certain types of attack on privacy. However the Free Software Foundation has an excellent guide on installing and using GPG at http://emailselfdefense.fsf.org/ if you need more protection. Then there is Tails if your in a very very serious situation that warrants "total" protection. Another good idiot-resistant educational video on free software you get watch here: https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/user-liberation-watch-and-share-our-new-video#info There is also a company that focuses on free software friendly hardware so you can reduce the difficulty in adopting GNU/Linux- a generally more privacy friendly operating system to almost null: ThinkPenguin.com

    And.. if that's not enough you can choose not to use Facebook, Google, Microsoft, Amazon, Apple, and the like. DuckDuckGo, Riseup, and similar search/email/storage replacements exist. Nobody needs to be dependent on these privacy invasive companies or products. You don't have to buy everything off Amazon, Ebay, or Newegg either. There are plenty of BitCoin friendly vendors for products and service (like storage and hosting) of which will not demand your personal details. Heck- my company ships to people who enter "John Doe", "Human Being", and similar all the time.

    And while you can't totally avoid government spying on you in the realm of cell phones you can get less privacy unfriendly phones (phone manufacturers/cellular providers). Just go check out Replicant. However that said I know people without cell phones. They're still "getting by" just fine. You can still get GPS-only devices too so you don't even need to skip out on all the benefits of the modern world (though I'd advise against the ones with built-in cellular modems).

    For laptops you can remove the webcam/mic (ThinkPenguin above will do it even if you ask above) or at a minimium just sticker over the webcam. Doesn't work on phones- but you can turn them off too for a bit of privacy!

  12. Never fear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The government has it covered.

  13. They're right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They're powerless and there's nothing they can do. And that's valid for everything, not just the death of privacy.

    1. Re:They're right by Opportunist · · Score: 1, Insightful

      That sounds like the first part of that twelve step bullshit.

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    2. Re:They're right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about you take it easy on people that are not as perfect as you are. I'm not a big fan of the twelve step program either but it does help people who desperately need it. Acknowledging what you can change and what you can't is good advice for anybody. Please don't mock people who are trying to put their lives back together.

    3. Re: They're right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it's just one simple step: they won, we lost, get over it.

    4. Re:They're right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      12 steps? There should be only 2. 1: shoot yourself in the head. 2: you can't even hit your own dumb skull at point-blank range. Repeat Step 1 until you're dead. Loser.

    5. Re:They're right by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      It doesn't. It tells people bullshit. What the 12step junk keeps telling people has been pretty aptly lampooned by South Park.

      They are NOT powerless. They are NOT helpless. And most of all they don't need the "aid" of an imaginary friend. For fuck's sake, what people need is getting their act together. Find someone you trust, talk to him, realize that it's your life and that you HAVE the power, that you CAN overcome the crap and that YOUR LIFE IS YOURS. And YOURS alone.

      That also requires one huge step, and that's admitting that you have fucked up. We've been so brainwashed into thinking that you must never fuck up. Hell, you do. Constantly. Everyone does. But as long as you learn from it, it's ok. That's what mistakes are for, to learn from them.

      When these people start realizing that something's not running right, when they came to the realization that it's not going right, they ARE already learning. They ARE already digging themselves out. And that's what they have to do, because they, and only they themselves, are the ones that can save themselves. Not some imaginary buddy, not some psychiatrist, not some friends, however well they may mean it.

      If you want to overcome the crap you're hooked on, you can. What matters is your will to do it. Nothing else matters.

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  14. Free and IoT by geekmux · · Score: 2

    So the Facebook generation that demands every online service be priced at how-fucking-dare-you-charge-me-for-this is now claiming there's nothing that can be done about the privacy they blindly signed away 473 EULAs ago.

    Oh, that's rich.

    Don't worry though. If you thought this was bad, I'm certain IoT will make these privacy concerns look like a 12-year old boy with a telescope.

    1. Re:Free and IoT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My eyes glaze over when I read/hear about IoT like they did with The Cloud, so I haven't been keeping up with the newest "developments". Is it close/closer to being anything?

    2. Re:Free and IoT by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      Its a thing now. It has been for years. Just like we had server clusters for years before anyone called it a 'Cloud'

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    3. Re:Free and IoT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's why I put developments in quotes and asked the question. What great big change is in the horizon for us with IoT? I can only see those promises fizzing out like they did for cloud stuff. I don't think there's going to be a big change in anything, least of which privacy concerns/loss.

      Edit: Wait, scratch that! Captcha was "bedtime" and I am actually just replying and going off to bed. I don't know what thing tattled on me through the internet, but I can't help but feel my privacy was violated!

    4. Re:Free and IoT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just more of the same. What used to be called M2M is now called IoT. Just as phones became "smart", other things will also morph. You almost can't buy a TV without a network interface. The pretext is they want to offer you content but what they really want is to see what you are doing, in order to process and sell that information. "Smart watch"... Oh yeah. "Smart fridges", "smart door locks and alarms". "Smart" really means "with a tracking device".

  15. The good news: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This can actually be fixed. We can have privacy. Technology can help.

    All we need is the people with the vision, who understand what needs to be done. So far all we got is straight-up corporate "identity" models that really don't scale even to the national government level but get deployed there anyway. See NSTIC and like crap. See various "SSO" "solutions" like facebook's and google's. If we'd actually care we could have something better. Hit me up if you need someone with the vision, when you decide to do something about it, and get some help with architecting something better.

    1. Re:The good news: by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I will just climb to the top of the mountain and yell out, at the top of my lungs, "Help me Anonymous Coward!"

      I do not think "hitting you up" is probable or, even, possible.

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  16. Connecting the dots... by Alwin+Henseler · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's one thing that your supermarket knows what food stuffs you bought recently. And a local sports store knows what socks & running shoes you bought recently. And a local electronics store knows what multimeter you bought the other day. But all these stores normally don't have that data from each other. They can't connect the dots, unless they are all part of the same company AND you used your frequent shopper card.

    So each store only gets a limited 'view' of your habits. Only the place(s) where you buy food, might suspect your eating habits. Only that sports store might suspect your sports habits. Etc, etc. Okay, your bank may get a list of transactions at several places, but not get all details about what you bought or did at each place. This is how it is expected in the 'offline world'.

    Online tracking might feed the data into a bigger mother company, advertisers that aggregate data, companies that 'voluntary share' some operational data, etc. Sure, there might be laws against some of that sharing. Sure, privacy policies may lead you to believe such things are out of the question. But can you rely on that? Are you sure?

    If not, this allow painting a much more detailed picture about one's life. Would you want such a detailed picture to be painted? Would you even want the records to be kept that allows this to happen? For me personally it's "NO" for the most part, perhaps on the fence for a few aspects, and the word "creepy" comes to mind. Not exactly matching with what's already technically possible, and what some companies are known to be doing these days (yep FB comes to mind. But they're far from alone).

    1. Re:Connecting the dots... by The+New+Guy+2.0 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      My local grocery store once explained to me why they didn't use a discount card, they already recognized me as I walked through the door, and knew the receipt was mine because I was the only one going though three packages of Vanilla Oreos per week. See, when big stores exist in lightly populated areas, the manager knows who the good customers are. My father and I had a good idea what prices were going to lower two weeks ahead because we saw the sale prices at the printing and database companies we worked for, and were sure our store had the deepest discounts in the chain.

      BTW, former next door neighbors... the two of you were on the cover of a magazine there the last time I visited that store... with a story that can't possibly be true!

    2. Re:Connecting the dots... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's one thing that your supermarket knows what food stuffs you bought recently. And a local sports store knows what socks & running shoes you bought recently. And a local electronics store knows what multimeter you bought the other day. But all these stores normally don't have that data from each other. They can't connect the dots, unless they are all part of the same company AND you used your frequent shopper card.

      That was the 90s. Now your supermarket, sports store, and electronic shop all sell your purchase history to a broker like ChoicePoint or Acxiom, and in turn buy back more bits and pieces about you that they want to know. Some of them sell (or give) your purchase history to the government to use as part of some nebulous anti-terror profiling.

      Each of those stores might also be crunching their own data and making inferences about you, and selling those *inferences* on to other companies. Remember the guy who went ballistic when Target mailed his teenage daughter some coupons for baby and maternity items? And it turns out Target was right, his daughter was pregnant, and they figured that out based on a pattern of non-baby-related purchases like a bigger purse? Don't think for a moment they didn't sell that girl's "customer_is_pregnant" record right on to the data warehousing companies with everything else.

      All of this shit is out of control, both online and offline. America is in dire need of laws to protect consumers from this type of massively intrusive information gathering, trading, and brokering. But we'll never see legislation like that as long as the government itself is one of the biggest purchasers of this data.

  17. They aren't even trying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Of course you have to give up your privacy to use Facebook, for example. But you don't have to use Facebook. There are other ways to stay in touch, but those "helpless" people don't even try to find them, or won't accept the littlest of inconveniences to sidestep the data collectors. Email a picture? OMG I'd have to learn how to do that. No no, give me Whatsapp. I'm so powerless.

    1. Re:They aren't even trying by bmo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But you don't have to use Facebook... ...to be tracked.

      You know all those "share via social media" buttons you see everywhere? Do you think they just exist to make it easy for users to repost content? No, they're for tracking anyone and everyone who goes to those sites (i.e., all) who don't have the trackers filtered through the likes of PrivacyBadger and ad-blockers.

      And the ratio of users that use those is minuscule enough that the users of the blockers themselves (like me) can be tracked via browser fingerprinting ridiculously easily anyway.

      The general population is powerless against the corporations unless they simply give up entirely and go dark. What a nifty fucking choice, eh?

      Get down off your high-horse, Lord Farquaad.

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      BMO

    2. Re:They aren't even trying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm gonna summon APK, but blocking Facebook's tracking (and Google's, which is even more pervasive) is not difficult, at least for now. If hosts files and privacy-enhanced DNS servers are too much to ask, there are browser plugins. You mentioned some. My point is that the people who feel so powerless now are exactly the ones who got us into this mess, because they were and are so complacent about every invasion into their privacy if they can only avoid learning anything about anything. If people treated shoes like they treat computers, most people would have to buy shoes with Velcro fasteners because they wouldn't even consider learning how to tie a shoe.

    3. Re:They aren't even trying by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      And also if computers were shoes, Apple would have invented velcro.

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    4. Re:They aren't even trying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm so useless.

      There FTFY.

    5. Re:They aren't even trying by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      I'm gonna summon APK, but blocking Facebook's tracking (and Google's, which is even more pervasive) is not difficult, at least for now. If hosts files and privacy-enhanced DNS servers are too much to ask, there are browser plugins

      You used all the summoning keywords, what have you done!? You've doomed us all!

      --
      Change is certain; progress is not obligatory.
    6. Re:They aren't even trying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "APK_blocking_tracking_hosts_files_privacy_DNS_servers_browser" is going to be my new nick

    7. Re:They aren't even trying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hosts sound good technically. Take a read http://yro.slashdot.org/commen... in the link to his program are some decent benefits of hosts and what I like is hosts are a single file that operates from a more efficient level of operations doing more with less as opposed to bloated and crippled by default browser addons like adblock.

  18. Re:Don't forget Request Policy domain blocker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, but Google told the world that a good webmaster loads static content from a separate domain, because cookies make those requests slow, and slow web sites get demoted. Bull-fucking-shit, but effective: Using RequestPolicy now means you see mostly broken web sites and end up having to guess which one of two dozen domains serves the stylesheets and images. That concept, no third party content unless explicitly allowed, was killed before it could become big enough to make webmasters care.

  19. well, to be fair... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To be fair, it IS true that nobody could talk to anyone else on the internet before Facebook came along. I remember those dark days so well. You'd ring a dial-up ISP with your 300 baud modem... get connected to the real live internet.... and nothing. Just a black screen, every time. You'd compose emails to your friends, and they'd just disappear into the aether. You'd log onto IRC to chat, and there'd be nobody else there but you.

    Then the World Wide Web started up, but it was all just black pages of nothing. Eventually everyone had broadband to their houses, and the black pages loaded instantly, but there was no one to talk to, and no way to communicate with your friends.

    But FINALLY, in 2004, Facebook started up, and suddenly it was like a light turned on in the darkness. Suddenly, there were other people on the net! Suddenly, you could plan things with your friends, talk to your family, and see all kinds of things.

    So they have a point: there was never really any choice about all this. I remember those dark pre-Facebook and pre-Google days well. May we never again go back there /shudder.

    1. Re:well, to be fair... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Skips myspace, aol.

    2. Re:well, to be fair... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My email worked just fine and my web pages were covered with pure glorious text.
      Todays internet sucks balls.

  20. Re:Don't forget Request Policy domain blocker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I haven't forgotten request policy, but it forgot to work with newer versions of Firefox. By request policy. Now I'm on to using other cross-site request whitelist tools.

  21. Whaaa...sale my soul to the devil. Whaa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cry me a fucking river. All that "free" shit you've been using? Yeah, no. You are the product buddy!

  22. ...Because it's NOT YOUR JOB! by tlambert · · Score: 5, Funny

    If you want to preserve your privacy, then DON'T PUT PICTURES OF YOUR COCK ONLINE!

    As we discovered in the John Oliver interview with Edward Snowden, it's the NSA's job to put pictures of your cock online, not yours!

  23. Says the people that use their real name online by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You post your whole life online under your real name... yet worry about being an anonymous number in the bowels of Google (machine processed and occasionally lost track of). You have total faith in your government spying on you, seeing you naked with X-rays at the airport, and knowing everything about you, when your government is known to kill and torture innocent people and/or to turn them over to other countries that do... and you worry about Google that can't do anything to you except annoy you. And this is true of almost all governments since almost all will happily render you to the US. Then you cry to these governments to save you from Google and Facebook?? You've burdened the internet with the cost of your foolishness - a multitude of lives worth of man-years now wasted to jump through the privacy-theater hoops that your governments now ply you with, for privacy policies that you won't read, for cookie disclosures that you will always accept... all costing your economy money for no benefit at all.

  24. Hmm by koan · · Score: 1

    I think this must affect younger users more, having been around when there were no cell phones or computers I don't feel as trapped.
    This powerlessness I don't understand though, all you have to do is not use the stuff.

    Just how brainwashed are we?

    --
    "If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
    1. Re:Hmm by moeinvt · · Score: 1

      "all you have to do is not use the stuff."

      Some of the "stuff" is just too damned useful. If you belong to any club, organization, political group or whatever, FB has become a very handy planning and organizing tool. Nobody really wants to manage lists of e-mail addresses anymore, let alone a telephone calling tree like we did in the past.
      Having a portable device that gives you at least internet access, a telephone, calendar, GPS and camera is also extremely useful.

      I think that being cognizant of exactly what you're trading off in terms of privacy vs. functionality is the important thing. I'm not quite ready to retire to the country and become a subsistence farmer.

    2. Re:Hmm by koan · · Score: 1

      I think that being cognizant of exactly what you're trading off in terms of privacy vs. functionality is the important thing. I'm not quite ready to retire to the country and become a subsistence farmer.

      2 things wrong here, one is you feel "being cognizant" is possible for most people when all the evidence shows otherwise.
      Second you go form one extreme to the other, either you're using Facebook or you're a subsistence farmer.

      Silly way to debate, why even bother?

      To sum up your statement easily just say "I'm trapped", because as you said you can't function without it.

      --
      "If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
  25. Tricky dilemma: but there are things you can do. by evilrip · · Score: 2

    It seems to me that the problem is that the user does not want put in the effort to learn about the tools and services they are using. It's conceived as overly complex, probably because of a combination of factors like zealots, technical jargon, corporate bullshit, etc. Even when it is not it's conceived as intrusive. The fact of the matter is that humans are stubborn creatures, and many humans think that when they graduate they don't have to learn anything new, ever. Most people don't have advanced degrees in economics and related fields to advertising, so they simply cannot comprehend how data mined they are being and why it is bad, often because off short-sightedness, "if you have nothing to hide .." comes to mind. Narcissism takes precedence to security with a lot of people, evidently, just look at facebook membership rates and the amount of facade-building (fake/phony/w/e) profiles with all kinds of information others with different frames of mind can use and abuse. The only reasonably safe software is software you can and _do_ audit, where you can access source code to see what programmers have done. No closed source ecosystem can ever provide this. Stop putting everything in services, cloud, whatever and learn about the tools you are using, computers are good at numbers, so you can assume they can be useful to encrypt your stuff to keep it safe, too. RTFM. You can do something. You can do many things. Turn on, tune in, drop out: Would you leave your laptop with a total stranger? No? Why would you leave your data with total strangers then? $0.02

    --
    "To err is human, to forgive, beyond the scope of the Operating System"
  26. Suprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Company spends millions on advertisement to get us to buy more of their stuff. The entire cost of their attempt to manipulate people into buying more of their stuff, wanted or otherwise, is being footed by the very people they're [b]trying[/b] to manipulate (YMMV).
    So basically we're paying for this crap to be shoved into our face, without much of a choice.

    And even with all the addons to block unwanted crap, so many sites just don't work without allowing javascript, ... not just allowing a potential attack vector into your system, but spreading your personal information god knows where under god knows what legal terms.

    Pretty much all websites now require statistics and ads to be displayed 'for the monniez' and 'them demographics' so they can shuffle more relevant crap into your face next time.

    Combined with the fact every website now not just links to 1-2-3 other domains (lets say one CDN, one stats, one ads), no, it links to 19 other domains requiring time to sort out what domains should be 'temporarily' allow to view content.

    Allowing javascript anywhere anytime ... is just asking for trouble.

    The interwebs were better when they were BY dedicated people, and FOR interested people, not just the next popularity race where pretty much anything goes to get them few more pennies from ads.

    As with much in life, the second money is to be earned, it turns into a cesspool with no consciousness whatsoever.
    Combine that with relative anonymity online, and it's become the biggest turd dump on the planet.

  27. Memo: People hate paying bills. by TapeCutter · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yes willingly, nobody has a fucking gun to your head to use this stuff, lack of willpower in a toy store is not "oppression".There's no trickery in any of this, you voluntarily (and often eagerly) sign up for a service and pay for what you use in either dollars, eyeballs, rabbit skins, whatever. Bitching about the privacy costs of of a FB account is like bitching about the electricity bill while sitting in an air-conditioned room, it will always be modded up because people hate paying bills.

    Of course government spying is a whole different ball of wax, nobody signed up for that!

    --
    And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
    1. Re: Memo: People hate paying bills. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Spoken like somebody that is a complete loser.

      I've paid a huge price personally and professionally over the years for not having an Internet presence. Most networking is done online and most people can't be bothered to keep in contact by anything other than Facebook.

      Yes nobody is technically forced to, but there is an ever increasing cost of opting out and I'm not sure how long I'm going to be able to afford to.

    2. Re:Memo: People hate paying bills. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Of course government spying is a whole different ball of wax, nobody signed up for that!

      The majority claim to want change, but the incumbent is re-elected the majority of the time. Either every election is massively fraudulent, which seems unlikely, or the majority is full of shit — and very much did sign up for government spying, bringing the rest of us with them.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    3. Re:Memo: People hate paying bills. by ultranova · · Score: 1

      Yes willingly, nobody has a fucking gun to your head to use this stuff, lack of willpower in a toy store is not "oppression".

      The parent said Facebook is becoming a condition for employment. Employment is not voluntary in this economic system. It's not "willpower" in a "toy store" that's the issue, it's being able to pay for food and rent.

      Bitching about the privacy costs of of a FB account is like bitching about the electricity bill while sitting in an air-conditioned room, it will always be modded up because people hate paying bills.

      No, it's like bitching about the electricity bill when you have no other way to cook food and the utility company is charging what it will from a captive audience.

      Of course government spying is a whole different ball of wax, nobody signed up for that!

      Voting for surveillance-happy politicians is voluntary. At least for now, it's not a condition for employment.

      --

      Forget magic. Any technology distinguishable from divine power is insufficiently advanced.

    4. Re:Memo: People hate paying bills. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I never signed up for failbook but that doesn't stop them from tracking me across the Internet.

    5. Re:Memo: People hate paying bills. by BootNinja · · Score: 1

      Either every election is massively fraudulent, which seems unlikely, or the majority is full of shit — and very much did sign up for government spying, bringing the rest of us with

      Except for the elections where there are only two candidates and both are pro spying, so you're fucked no matter who you choose.

      You are setting up a false dichotomy here that implies that the majority could in fact vote for someone who would stop the spying. Alas, that just doesn't seem to be true these days.

      When both sides are invested in propping up the status quo, everybody loses.

    6. Re:Memo: People hate paying bills. by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      If it was just for convenience. But we're getting to the point where companies use FB in their hiring process. No FB account, no job. A more apt comparison of your claim people don't like paying bills is someone bitching about the rising gas prices while driving to and from work. He CANNOT do without the car. He has no alternative. He could move closer to his working place. Or he could find a job closer to home. But if that is your answer, I have an answer to end government spying on you effectively: Find a new country to live in. You ain't in North Korea, you can simply move away if you like to.

      But I guess that would be inconvenient, wouldn't it?

      --
      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    7. Re:Memo: People hate paying bills. by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      No, but it's trivial to give them something to think about when you show up everywhere and nowhere. Which reminds me, I should finally get that app finished that collects pages that have some kind of FB (or other tracker asshats' tools) built in, distributes it among the users of the app and has everyone randomly load the relevant FB tracking junk to poison their data...

      --
      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    8. Re: Memo: People hate paying bills. by Stan92057 · · Score: 1

      What you call networking we call advertising.I'm betting business use FB because it allows them free advertising. We sure know they couldn't give a rats ass about my family reunion except to advertise a product i might be able to use at it. lol and no i am not a FB member.

      --
      Jack of all trades,master of none
  28. Two easy steps by jabberw0k · · Score: 1

    Step 1: Don't use a so-called "smart" so-called "phone." Step 2: There is no step 2.

    1. Re:Two easy steps by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Step 1: Don't use a so-called "smart" so-called "phone."

      How are you going to use any phone without involving a corporation, and inserting them into a position to capture both data and metadata and pass them along to law enforcement for misuse, or just abuse them on their own?

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    2. Re:Two easy steps by jetkust · · Score: 1

      Step 2 is don't use a credit card or any payment system tied to your name. Because, if so, you are likely being tracked. This is already happening by the way. Research the company Acxiom. Step 3 is don't go out in public. Because the logical progression is adding facial recognition to all the millions of cameras already pointed everywhere and AI that logs everything you do throughout the day. The truth is you don't have to do anything. They will come to you.

  29. RTFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >How are we supposed to know what add-ons you use?

    He was asking any corporations that are listening.

  30. Acxiom is a bigger threat than FB or Google by jetkust · · Score: 2

    Why is Acxiom never mention in privacy? They collect data on people independent of social media and independent of any consent or even knowledge they are being tracked. They have information on you even if you've never joined any social media site. They track your credit card purchases, everything you buy, and who knows what else, and they are selling the data to who knows who. They sound way more dangerous than FB and google combined.

  31. Replace Corporations with Government by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    And the dynamic is the same. People have yielded control over their lives in exchange for perceived benefits, and now they've got buyers' remorse.

    1. Re:Replace Corporations with Government by nickweller · · Score: 1

      "And the dynamic is the same. People have yielded control over their lives in exchange for perceived benefits, and now they've got buyers' remorse."

      Not the same, we had the illusion we controlled over the Government.

  32. Re: Says the people that use their real name onlin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Not everyone does that. I don't and im concerned. The problem is that it's not really an option as they are always inventing new ways of spying on people that are trying to opt out.

  33. Yep. I'd pay money. by archer,+the · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'd pay money for a Facebook or GMail that didn't sell/give my info to others. I can probably solve the second by running my own mail server, but I don't have the knowledge yet.

    But, of course, if someone were to try to make Cashbook, they'd end up having the community split between themselves and Facebook. And who knows, Facebook might sue over a patent.

    1. Re:Yep. I'd pay money. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd pay money for a Facebook or GMail that didn't sell/give my info to others. I can probably solve the second by running my own mail server, but I don't have the knowledge yet.

      But, of course, if someone were to try to make Cashbook, they'd end up having the community split between themselves and Facebook. And who knows, Facebook might sue over a patent.

      At a minimum, you could get a domain and have your mail by your web host. Then you can ditch the web mail.

    2. Re:Yep. I'd pay money. by Tony+Isaac · · Score: 1

      The problem with this idea is, they would take your money and and give you privacy...for a while. But eventually, the lure of big bucks would make them cave, and they would sell your data anyway. All this would be allowed by unannounced changes to the TOS document, which would be hidden away on the site somewhere.

    3. Re:Yep. I'd pay money. by r0kk3rz · · Score: 1

      The main issue with a Cashbook type concept is how do you get people to pay for a social network with no users?

      Maybe a Whatsapp style "free for a year" to get people hooked, but even then Google Plus couldn't break Facebooks critical mass whilst also being free. Is the additional 'Privacy' enough of a carrot to get people to change?

    4. Re:Yep. I'd pay money. by EmagGeek · · Score: 1

      Or, they would get a National Security Letter compelling them to turn over your keys and your data.

      See also Lavabit.

    5. Re:Yep. I'd pay money. by iampiti · · Score: 1

      +1. I'd also pay money to Google to be able to use Android without any of their apps (i.e.:being able to uninstall those I don't use).
      I'd also pay money to Microsoft for a Windows 10 without any of their services (Bing, Onedrive, Store, Cortana)

    6. Re:Yep. I'd pay money. by swillden · · Score: 1

      I'd pay money for a Facebook or GMail that didn't sell/give my info to others.

      Google (including GMail) doesn't sell or give your info to others. So if that's all you want, you don't even have to pay to get it.

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      Note to ACs: I usually delete AC replies without reading them. If you want to talk to me, log in.
    7. Re:Yep. I'd pay money. by swillden · · Score: 1

      FYI, you're conflating several things.

      NSLs cannot compel turning over keys, or even data. The law that authorizes NSLs limits them to metadata (granted that metadata is still important data).

      Lavabit was not compelled to turn over its keys by a NSL, but by a court order (not a secret one, either). Whether or not that order was justified is a subject of debate, but the FBI got the order by successfully convincing the judge that Lavabit was being deliberately obstructionist by failing to comply with previous, appropriately narrow orders. Lavabit did appear to act in bad faith with regard to previous orders.

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    8. Re:Yep. I'd pay money. by EmagGeek · · Score: 1

      I didn't conflate anything. "See also Lavabit" does not imply that what I said previously applied. In this instance, the word "also" implies it as a separate subject not related to the first.

      Sorry if you didn't understand it the first time.

    9. Re:Yep. I'd pay money. by swillden · · Score: 1

      Okay, you mentioned two things, and both of them were wrong, separately.

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      Note to ACs: I usually delete AC replies without reading them. If you want to talk to me, log in.
  34. LOL by p51d007 · · Score: 1

    Too late...you gave that up when you hooked into the internet, "friended" 3,495 people on facebook, twitter, instagram, said yes to every EULA, turned on tracking for your phone etc...you think government, corporations are just going to give that up?

  35. Utter Rubbish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This is utter rubbish. If you don't give personal information, then they have none. I post this as (AC). I'm not on FB or Twit or Pin or any of the others. I don't own a cell phone. I have worked for a 3 letter government agency (so it stands to reason, I know better). I do own equipment to do signal acquisition and analysis. It might sound anti-social, but the corporations haven't started blackmailing people (yet). If anything bad happens to a social networking company with a lot of data, there are a lot of really bad actors that will offer a lot to bail them out (or supply cash demanded by shareholders or creditors). Companies are required (by law) to maximize profits. They could obey laws to protect privacy, or they could obey laws to maximize profit (or just pay off creditors). Companies have always screwed customers/users over creditors. This is how they operate. Its the way. Don't worry about Facebook or Google or Twitter or Pintrest, worry about the NYSE, Bankers, the Russian Mafia, the Italian Mafia, the PLA (China), and dozens of others who never ever worry about your personal privacy, non-disclosure agreements, or whether you are an 80 year old grannie living on a $600 monthly pension, they will try to bleed you dry either way. Companies aren't the government. You can pressure the government (this is what voting is for). Corporations know you by dollar bills, and your picture isn't on them. You worry about government security (again, people protest), but corporations will not pay the slightest attention to you. Decisions about your information will go on in a back room somewhere, and you have 0 say. If laws are broken the company can be dissolved before charges are laid, big players 'leave the company' before the deal goes, so they 'were not privy to the transaction', and since the company doesn't exist anymore, no one can be charged. The zeroed bank accounts are your problem.

  36. GIGO by randalware · · Score: 1

    Keep feeding an ever changing pile of garbage into the databases.

    Never give any accurate data.

    And saying this, I know that the data breach in Washington DC the other day has info from up to 30 years ago.
    They had all my information and I am surprised it was in a system that had network access to the internet !

    I need a new tinfoil hat !

    --
    This is my opinion based on what little I know and understand of the rumors and lies Thanks, Randal
    1. Re:GIGO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Keep feeding an ever changing pile of garbage into the databases.

      This!

  37. Quality by Livius · · Score: 1

    And after all the abuse of privacy, the outcomes aren't even that good.

    I searched for one item, went to a store and bought it the same day, and for months I'm being shown adverts for an item I am no longer searching for. It doesn't 'know' something about me, it's taking a guess and it's wrong.

  38. Also: NoScript by Lonewolf666 · · Score: 1

    It is not primarily an ad blocker, but as most ads are served via JavaScript, not allowing domains like ad.doubleclick.something will greatly reduce the flood of unwanted ads and scripts.

    The RequestPolicy website also recommends NoScript as additional measure BTW.

    --
    C - the footgun of programming languages
    1. Re:Also: NoScript by sound+vision · · Score: 1

      I'll double up the recommendation of NoScript. In addition to what it actually does, it gives you quite a bit of information that's really an eye opener. There's hardly a web site out there these days that doesn't run scripts from at least a half-dozen domains. Some of them are up to 20. It's almost never more than 1 or 2 of the domains which actually belong to the owners of the site, the rest are third parties. Your data is getting spread far and wide each pageload.

      Initially I thought it'd be too much of a hassle to use, but it really isn't. The majority of time I spend on the internet is visiting a dozen or so sites, I had all the necessary domains whitelisted for those on the first day. As for random sites, a lot of them don't need scripts to run for your average visit - most news sites, for example, will load the article text without any scripts running on the page. Occasionally they will have a "picture gallery"-type section that you'll want to look at where scripts are needed to scroll through the pictures, but it never takes more than a minute to determine which domain needs to be whitelisted for that. If you're feeling lazy you can "Temporarily allow all" scripts on the page which never fails. Sometimes I do that, remembering to clear the temporary permissions every couple days.

      Does anyone know if there is an equivalently functional NoScript plugin for Chrome? Emphasis on equivalent - I don't want it to be like Adblock where it's a lesser version of the FF plugin. There's been a few plugins that keep me on Firefox, and NoScript is one of the big ones, but I'm really getting tired of the memory leaks, among other things...

    2. Re:Also: NoScript by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is there any reason why these plugins aren't configured via plain text files thrown into a local linux-style plugin-config.d directory, where there are lots of files with the minimum whitelist for the sites functionality? The files in this directory one would get from github, where they are taken care of by the community? Can't plugins read the filesystem, at least on startup?

  39. Internet Users are NOT Powerless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't do business on the Internet. I live in Rural SC, and despite that fact, for whatever product or service I am looking to buy, there is a local provider from whom I can obtain it, usually without handing over anything more than a pile of cash.

    Cheaper, too, by the way. All you are accomplishing in buying things on the Internet is adding several middlemen between you and the real seller.

  40. What you have natively already protects best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can adblock do 16 things hosts do for speed, security, & reliability:

    1.) Protect vs. malicious sites/servers (beyond malicious ads: See 2-10 next)
    2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stop communication to C&C servers
    3.) Protect vs. dynamic dns botnets + stop communication to C&C servers
    4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stop communication to C&C servers
    5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (adds reliability)
    6.) Protect vs. DNS redirect poisoned dns
    7.) Protect vs. trackers
    8.) Protect vs. spam
    9.) Protect vs. phishing
    10.) Protect vs. bandwidth caps
    11.) Get you past a dnsbl
    12.) Keep you off dns request logs
    13.) Speed up websurfing by adblocks & hardcoded fav. sites
    14.) Work on ANY webbound app (think stand-alone email programs) multiplatform.
    15.) Give you easily texteditor controlled data for the above
    16.) Do all that & block ads (better than addons) more efficiently in cpu cycles + memory usage

    * ANSWER ="NO" to each above on AdBlock doing it as well or at all!

    APK

    P.S.=> AdBlock does FAR less than hosts do & FAR less efficiently - hosts do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ the IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN to operate (as 1st resolver queried):

    AdBlock's 4++gb & 100% CPU usage flooring inefficiency -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... + ClarityRay defeats it + it 'souled-out' & is crippled by default paid off to not do its job http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/... & ABP too http://finance.yahoo.com/news/...

    AdBlock adds complexity/room for breakdown/exploit + from a slower mode of operations (usermode = more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode).

    AdBlock's SLOWER than hosts: http://superuser.com/questions...

    For the BEST hosts file?

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit -> http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    ... apk

  41. Just lie. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unless your intent is fraud, it is not illegal to make up an identity. Unless you're talking to law enforcement (etc), it is not illegal to lie about almost anything.

    Yeah, I have a facebook (among others) account -- mostly to keep anyone else from claiming one in my name. No, the birthday on it is not accurate. Nor are many of the other details (and many are just missing). Sure, probably violates facebook's ToS, like I give a fuck. (On the other hand, when some idiot who knows me well enough to know the real date sends me birthday greetings via facebook, that kinda blows that. Like being tagged in somebody else's photo. You can't control what other idiots are doing to your privacy -- they don't care about theirs, they care even less about yours.)

    Make shit up. Google stuff you have no interest in. Raise the noise level. (Better yet, somebody write a plugin that periodically googles some random sequence of dictionary words. Someone doing statistical analysis of group data will not be misled, the higher noise level is easily dealt with through known methods, but it introduces some plausible deniabilty to any individual's data.)

  42. I asked AdBlock's creator those questions... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Result? W. Palant RAN after he wrote me by email 1st saying "hosts are a shitty solution" to which I replied:

    "Show us adblock can do more for added speed, security, reliability, & anonymity than hosts can, + that adblock does it more efficiently than hosts"

    Which on my latter 'point-in-challenge' on efficiency AdBlock's proven by research to be MASSIVELY inefficient -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... & adblock does FAR less than hosts (especially crippled by default).

    I sent Wladimir Palant that challenge in response to his statement from 2 different email addresses I use!

    Result = Still no answer from him in regard to my challenge put to him to this very day MONTHS later - that tell you anything? It did me!

    He knows his addon is less efficient & features laden by FAR vs. hosts - Wladimir Palant RAN like a scared rabbit!

    ClarityRay's also DESTROYING AdBlock - via native browser methods to DUMP what addons you use (it can't DO THAT to hosts files).

    I only tell it how it is on hosts' superiority vs. AdBlock - Funny part is, Wladimir Palant running does too!

    Especially considering "Almost ALL Ads Blocked" has 'souled-out' -> Google & Others Pay Adblock Plus To Show You Ads Anyway: http://news.slashdot.org/comme... & ABP too http://finance.yahoo.com/news/...

    APK

    P.S.=> Bottom-Line: Hosts = a superior solution that also fixes DNS redirect security issues (vs. browser addons & their inefficiencies + messagepassing overheads as well as myriad lack of abilities hosts have from 1 file that's part of the IP stack itself - faster, more efficient, & less redundant as well, since TCP/IP has 45++ yrs. of refinement & optimization in it, & runs in a higher CPU serviced ring of privelege & operations in kernelmode vs. slower usermode layering over browsers slowing them more, & hosts = 1st resolver queried by the OS itself also)... apk

  43. ClarityRay knows (it beats adblock) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can adblock do 16 things hosts do for speed, security, & reliability:

    1.) Protect vs. malicious sites/servers (beyond malicious ads: See 2-10 next)
    2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stop communication to C&C servers
    3.) Protect vs. dynamic dns botnets + stop communication to C&C servers
    4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stop communication to C&C servers
    5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (adds reliability)
    6.) Protect vs. DNS redirect poisoned dns
    7.) Protect vs. trackers
    8.) Protect vs. spam
    9.) Protect vs. phishing
    10.) Protect vs. bandwidth caps
    11.) Get you past a dnsbl
    12.) Keep you off dns request logs
    13.) Speed up websurfing by adblocks & hardcoded fav. sites
    14.) Work on ANY webbound app (think stand-alone email programs) multiplatform.
    15.) Give you easily texteditor controlled data for the above
    16.) Do all that & block ads (better than addons) more efficiently in cpu cycles + memory usage

    * ANSWER ="NO" to each above on AdBlock doing it as well or at all!

    APK

    P.S.=> AdBlock does FAR less than hosts do & FAR less efficiently - hosts do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ the IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN to operate (as 1st resolver queried):

    AdBlock's 4++gb & 100% CPU usage flooring inefficiency -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... + ClarityRay defeats it + it 'souled-out' & is crippled by default paid off to not do its job http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/... & ABP too http://finance.yahoo.com/news/...

    AdBlock adds complexity/room for breakdown/exploit + from a slower mode of operations (usermode = more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode).

    AdBlock's SLOWER than hosts: http://superuser.com/questions...

    For the BEST hosts file?

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit -> http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    ... apk

  44. AdBlock = slower, inferior + 'souled-out' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can adblock do 16 things hosts do for speed, security, & reliability:

    1.) Protect vs. malicious sites/servers (beyond malicious ads: See 2-10 next)
    2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stop communication to C&C servers
    3.) Protect vs. dynamic dns botnets + stop communication to C&C servers
    4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stop communication to C&C servers
    5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (adds reliability)
    6.) Protect vs. DNS redirect poisoned dns
    7.) Protect vs. trackers
    8.) Protect vs. spam
    9.) Protect vs. phishing
    10.) Protect vs. bandwidth caps
    11.) Get you past a dnsbl
    12.) Keep you off dns request logs
    13.) Speed up websurfing by adblocks & hardcoded fav. sites
    14.) Work on ANY webbound app (think stand-alone email programs) multiplatform.
    15.) Give you easily texteditor controlled data for the above
    16.) Do all that & block ads (better than addons) more efficiently in cpu cycles + memory usage

    * ANSWER ="NO" to each above on AdBlock doing it as well or at all!

    APK

    P.S.=> AdBlock does FAR less than hosts do & FAR less efficiently - hosts do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ the IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN to operate (as 1st resolver queried):

    AdBlock's 4++gb & 100% CPU usage flooring inefficiency -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... + ClarityRay defeats it + it 'souled-out' & is crippled by default paid off to not do its job http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/... & ABP too http://finance.yahoo.com/news/...

    AdBlock adds complexity/room for breakdown/exploit + from a slower mode of operations (usermode = more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode).

    AdBlock's SLOWER than hosts: http://superuser.com/questions...

    For the BEST hosts file?

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit -> http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    ... apk

  45. I asked AdBlock's creator those questions... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Result? W. Palant RAN after he wrote me by email 1st saying "hosts are a shitty solution" to which I replied:

    "Show us adblock can do more for added speed, security, reliability, & anonymity than hosts can, + that adblock does it more efficiently than hosts"

    Which on my latter 'point-in-challenge' on efficiency AdBlock's proven by research to be MASSIVELY inefficient -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... & adblock does FAR less than hosts (especially crippled by default).

    I sent Wladimir Palant that challenge in response to his statement from 2 different email addresses I use!

    Result = Still no answer from him in regard to my challenge put to him to this very day MONTHS later - that tell you anything? It did me!

    He knows his addon is less efficient & features laden by FAR vs. hosts - Wladimir Palant RAN like a scared rabbit!

    ClarityRay's also DESTROYING AdBlock - via native browser methods to DUMP what addons you use (it can't DO THAT to hosts files).

    I only tell it how it is on hosts' superiority vs. AdBlock - Funny part is, Wladimir Palant running does too!

    Especially considering "Almost ALL Ads Blocked" has 'souled-out' -> Google & Others Pay Adblock Plus To Show You Ads Anyway: http://news.slashdot.org/comme... & ABP too http://finance.yahoo.com/news/...

    APK

    P.S.=> Bottom-Line: Hosts = a superior solution that also fixes DNS redirect security issues (vs. browser addons & their inefficiencies + messagepassing overheads as well as myriad lack of abilities hosts have from 1 file that's part of the IP stack itself - faster, more efficient, & less redundant as well, since TCP/IP has 45++ yrs. of refinement & optimization in it, & runs in a higher CPU serviced ring of privelege & operations in kernelmode vs. slower usermode layering over browsers slowing them more, & hosts = 1st resolver queried by the OS itself also)... apk

  46. You're not that important ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sorry, they don't really care about you. You can do everything under a pseudonym (Fred Flintstone) but they just want to know your interests and what you spend money on ... doesn't matter who you are. Person 48326591753 likes heavy metal music and indoor sports. Groups like NSA only track it back to the person if you stand out, with words like "airplane" and "bomb" in the same sentence. I actually don't mind them tracking me, and register all my software under my proper name; you can contact me directly at mickey.mouse@disney.com.

    Anybody who wants info on you as a person doesn't need the internet to get it.

  47. OMG! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the notion that internet users are unhappy with the way their privacy is undermined by advertisers and online companies

    You people are STEALING the Internet!

  48. For the MOST comprehensive efficient hostsfile? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: There's 10 reputable hosts file sources via APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ 32/64-bit SR-2 http://start64.com/index.php?o... that you can use vs. more ads & exploits online.

    It uses all 10 reputable sites for said data (including MVPS that you suggest) + allows you to select ONLY the ones you see fit to use should you elect to not use all of them.

    It also succeeds in shearing out ANY & ALL useless "bulk" in said hosts files it imports + it makes a host file more efficient by making the blocking address the most efficient one possible making hosts files BETTER THAN THEY ARE by default!

    Thus gaining you MORE speed & reliability + security by "hardcoding" your favorite websites you spend most of your time online at placing them @ the TOP of a custom hosts file for fastest possible access, especially once hosts are cached into RAM!

    (Exceeding remote DNS lookup slowness + indexing speed & their redirect security faults since most are NOT PATCHED vs. the Kaminsky redirect flaw + gaining you reliable connections if DNS goes "down" & they do, quite a lot).

    That's done simply by decreasing the hosts file's size & line-by-line internal parse speed during the file open/read-write/flush/close I/O cycle (changing said blocking IP address from the larger slower 127.0.0.1 loopback adapter address) & smaller files load into memory faster...

    Even Microsoft's VP of their Client Performance Division conceded that to me-> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... back in 2009 since it's undeniable fact.

    APK

    P.S.=> MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts + recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    PLUS she's guaranteed SAFE & CLEAN -> https://www.virustotal.com/en/... + https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    ... apk

  49. STUPID tech mistakes doomed you Ash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: Remember this http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    "?"

    Of course you do, lol... VERY DUMB MISTAKE ON YOUR PART & weak.

    * :)

    (Keep replying with your off-topic WEAK b.s., & I'll toss out another dozen++ of the SAME NATURE, in your outright fuckups regarding hosts...)

    NOW, you just KNOW that I've just GOTTA say it, now don't you? Ah, but of COURSE you do, so "here 'tis" in my own "inimitable style" vs. trolls such as yourself:

    THIS?

    This was just "too, Too, TOO EASY - just '2ez'" as it always is vs. technically incompetent off-topic weak trolls like Ash-Fox... lol!

    APK

    P.S.=> Thanks for making ME look GOOD, & yourself, by way of comparison? Well, lol - "not so good"... apk

  50. It worked for Moses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No dissing going up mountains, you unbeliever, you.

    But not forgetting to log in would've helped, I guess.

  51. Lumping us together by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Those of us who care about privacy and are helping, feel the same way when you say "the Facebook generation" that you felt when elders said "the Television generation". Maybe you didn't spend your years glued to the TV screen?

  52. Advertisers steal my bandwidth &... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: Advertisers steal bandwidth I pay out for monthly & infest us w/ malicious script rampantly due to negligence + their "open auction" systems that MALWARE MAKERS ABUSE massively... so please:

    * Don't PISS DOWN MY NECK & TELL ME IT'S RAINING... ok? Thanks!

    (Whatever comes into my router INTO MY HOME is *absolutely* within MY DISCRETION as to what passes, or doesn't for that matter... get it? Good!)

    APK

    P.S.=> How I protect myself + speed myself up & secure myself online (making connections safer + more reliable too)? THIS -> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=7517371&cid=49865585

    ... apk

  53. Re:Why use just 1 source for hosts data? by mccrew · · Score: 2

    This post sounds plausible. However the combination of boldface, ALL CAPS, unnecessary exclamation points (!), and absolutisms ("...it's an undeniable fact") has my B.S. meter pegged.

    --
    Hey, Windows users, there is no such thing as "forward" slash, there is only slash and backslash.
  54. This could be the most overblown "problem" ever by TonyXL · · Score: 1

    If you want to protect your data from corporations, don't type it in. This is like being afraid of green sweaters. Don't buy one!!!

  55. OSX users: what do YOU use? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This being /. there are always loads of windows-related fixes to various solutions, but always a pitiably poor showing of OSX-related fixes.

    And that being said, I'd like to ask what blockers/etc. are savvy Macintosh OSX users using?

  56. Canadians have a Right to Privacy in US/EU by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    Under data treaties that were signed, the basic Consitutional Right to Privacy is enforceable for all Canadian citizens, not just in Canada, but also in the US (US/Canada Data Treaty) and the EU (including the UK btw).

    Period.

    You can sue.

    I know it's unusual for Canadians to sue, but sometimes we have to do it to stop Evil.

    This is one of those times.

    --
    -- Tigger warning: This post may contain tiggers! --
  57. Corporate tit by Stan92057 · · Score: 1

    As long as our politicians have to suck from the corporate tit to get campaign money, this will never ever change.

    --
    Jack of all trades,master of none
  58. "Peg this": Good luck validly disproving it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can adblock do 16 things hosts do for speed, security, & reliability:

    1.) Protect vs. malicious sites/servers (beyond malicious ads: See 2-10 next)
    2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stop communication to C&C servers
    3.) Protect vs. dynamic dns botnets + stop communication to C&C servers
    4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stop communication to C&C servers
    5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (adds reliability)
    6.) Protect vs. DNS redirect poisoned dns
    7.) Protect vs. trackers
    8.) Protect vs. spam
    9.) Protect vs. phishing
    10.) Protect vs. bandwidth caps
    11.) Get you past a dnsbl
    12.) Keep you off dns request logs
    13.) Speed up websurfing by adblocks & hardcoded fav. sites
    14.) Work on ANY webbound app (think stand-alone email programs) multiplatform.
    15.) Give you easily texteditor controlled data for the above
    16.) Do all that & block ads (better than addons) more efficiently in cpu cycles + memory usage

    * ANSWER ="NO" to each above on AdBlock doing it as well or at all!

    APK

    P.S.=> AdBlock does FAR less than hosts do & FAR less efficiently - hosts do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ the IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN to operate (as 1st resolver queried):

    AdBlock's 4++gb & 100% CPU usage flooring inefficiency -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... + ClarityRay defeats it + it 'souled-out' & is crippled by default paid off to not do its job http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/... & ABP too http://finance.yahoo.com/news/...

    AdBlock adds complexity/room for breakdown/exploit + from a slower mode of operations (usermode = more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode).

    AdBlock's SLOWER than hosts: http://superuser.com/questions...

    For the BEST hosts file?

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit -> http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    ... apk

  59. You hit it right on the head I suspect... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: Millions 4 sockpuppets by AdBlock paid by Google is exactly what it is obviously - why else downmod me & yet NOT be able to validly disprove my points in favor of hosts? Doesn't take a brain to figure it out, lol!

    (AdBlock's using those millions for underhanded sockpuppetry having been paid off for crippling "almost ALL ads blocked" making it not do the SINGLE ONLY JOB IT HAD, no less)

    * Everytime the dolts mod my posts down I truly do NOT think they realize MOST HERE BROWSE WELL BELOW THE EASILY SOCKPUPPET-CHEATED SO-CALLED "moderation threshold" of 0, seeing all of my posts anyhow, lol...

    APK

    P.S.=> The fact they're reduced to such effete stupidity boggles the mind - it ONLY MAKES ME LOOK SO GOOD THEY CAN'T VALIDLY PROVE ME WRONG on hosts adding more speed, security, reliability, & even anonymity (to a lesser extent on the latter though only) WITH LESS RESOURCES CONSUMED by blatantly INFERIOR & far less efficient slower browser addons... apk

  60. Don't use social media... problem solved! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously, just say no. No one is holding a gun to users' heads. They are choosing to expose themselves.

  61. Why use just 1 source for hosts data? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: There's 9 more reputable hosts file sources via APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ 32/64-bit SR-2 http://start64.com/index.php?o... that you can use vs. more ads & exploits online.

    It uses all 10 reputable sites for said data (including MVPS that you suggest) + allows you to select ONLY the ones you see fit to use should you elect to not use all of them.

    It also succeeds in shearing out ANY & ALL useless "bulk" in said hosts files it imports + it makes a host file more efficient by making the blocking address the most efficient one possible making hosts files BETTER THAN THEY ARE by default!

    Thus gaining you MORE speed & reliability + security by "hardcoding" your favorite websites you spend most of your time online at placing them @ the TOP of a custom hosts file for fastest possible access, especially once hosts are cached into RAM!

    (Exceeding remote DNS lookup slowness + indexing speed & their redirect security faults since most are NOT PATCHED vs. the Kaminsky redirect flaw + gaining you reliable connections if DNS goes "down" & they do, quite a lot).

    That's done simply by decreasing the hosts file's size & line-by-line internal parse speed during the file open/read-write/flush/close I/O cycle (changing said blocking IP address from the larger slower 127.0.0.1 loopback adapter address) & smaller files load into memory faster...

    Even Microsoft's VP of their Client Performance Division conceded that to me-> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... back in 2009 since it's undeniable fact.

    APK

    P.S.=> MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts + recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    PLUS she's guaranteed SAFE & CLEAN -> https://www.virustotal.com/en/... + https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    ... apk

  62. Re:Why use only 1 source for hosts data? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Adblock paid sockpuppets are scared! Minusmod n' not proving apk wrong says all.

  63. AdBlock = slower, inferior + 'souled-out' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can adblock do 16 things hosts do for speed, security, & reliability:

    1.) Protect vs. malicious sites/servers (beyond malicious ads: See 2-10 next)
    2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stop communication to C&C servers
    3.) Protect vs. dynamic dns botnets + stop communication to C&C servers
    4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stop communication to C&C servers
    5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (adds reliability)
    6.) Protect vs. DNS redirect poisoned dns
    7.) Protect vs. trackers
    8.) Protect vs. spam
    9.) Protect vs. phishing
    10.) Protect vs. bandwidth caps
    11.) Get you past a dnsbl
    12.) Keep you off dns request logs
    13.) Speed up websurfing by adblocks & hardcoded fav. sites
    14.) Work on ANY webbound app (think stand-alone email programs) multiplatform.
    15.) Give you easily texteditor controlled data for the above
    16.) Do all that & block ads (better than addons) more efficiently in cpu cycles + memory usage

    * ANSWER ="NO" to each above on AdBlock doing it as well or at all!

    APK

    P.S.=> AdBlock does FAR less than hosts do & FAR less efficiently - hosts do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ the IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN to operate (as 1st resolver queried):

    AdBlock's 4++gb & 100% CPU usage flooring inefficiency -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... + ClarityRay defeats it + it 'souled-out' & is crippled by default paid off to not do its job http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/... & ABP too http://finance.yahoo.com/news/...

    AdBlock adds complexity/room for breakdown/exploit + from a slower mode of operations (usermode = more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode).

    AdBlock's SLOWER than hosts: http://superuser.com/questions...

    For the BEST hosts file?

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit -> http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    ... apk

  64. I asked AdBlock's creator those questions... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Result? W. Palant RAN after he wrote me by email 1st saying "hosts are a shitty solution" to which I replied:

    "Show us adblock can do more for added speed, security, reliability, & anonymity than hosts can, + that adblock does it more efficiently than hosts"

    Which on my latter 'point-in-challenge' on efficiency AdBlock's proven by research to be MASSIVELY inefficient -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... & adblock does FAR less than hosts (especially crippled by default).

    I sent Wladimir Palant that challenge in response to his statement from 2 different email addresses I use!

    Result = Still no answer from him in regard to my challenge put to him to this very day MONTHS later - that tell you anything? It did me!

    He knows his addon is less efficient & features laden by FAR vs. hosts - Wladimir Palant RAN like a scared rabbit!

    ClarityRay's also DESTROYING AdBlock - via native browser methods to DUMP what addons you use (it can't DO THAT to hosts files).

    I only tell it how it is on hosts' superiority vs. AdBlock - Funny part is, Wladimir Palant running does too!

    Especially considering "Almost ALL Ads Blocked" has 'souled-out' -> Google & Others Pay Adblock Plus To Show You Ads Anyway: http://news.slashdot.org/comme... & ABP too http://finance.yahoo.com/news/...

    APK

    P.S.=> Bottom-Line: Hosts = a superior solution that also fixes DNS redirect security issues (vs. browser addons & their inefficiencies + messagepassing overheads as well as myriad lack of abilities hosts have from 1 file that's part of the IP stack itself - faster, more efficient, & less redundant as well, since TCP/IP has 45++ yrs. of refinement & optimization in it, & runs in a higher CPU serviced ring of privelege & operations in kernelmode vs. slower usermode layering over browsers slowing them more, & hosts = 1st resolver queried by the OS itself also)... apk

  65. As was said already many times by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Adblock paid shill sockpuppets = scared shitless of apk http://yro.slashdot.org/commen... as all they can manage is trying to hide apk's posts with unjustifiable minusmods but never proving apk wrong on a single thing his lists point out in favor of custom hosts files over all other inferior browser addons based so called solutions that don't do a fraction of what hosts can for more speed, security, reliability, and anonymity online and not nearly as efficiently as hosts do as well

  66. Re:I asked AdBlock's creator those questions... ap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Adblock paid shill sockpuppets = scared shitless of apk http://yro.slashdot.org/commen... as all they can manage is trying to hide apk's posts with unjustifiable minusmods but never proving apk wrong on a single thing his lists point out in favor of custom hosts files over all other inferior browser addons based so called solutions that don't do a fraction of what hosts can for more speed, security, reliability, and anonymity online and not nearly as efficiently as hosts do as well

  67. Re:AdBlock = slower, inferior + 'souled-out' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Adblock paid shill sockpuppets = scared shitless of apk http://yro.slashdot.org/commen... as all they can manage is trying to hide apk's posts with unjustifiable minusmods but never proving apk wrong on a single thing his lists point out in favor of custom hosts files over all other inferior browser addons based so called solutions that don't do a fraction of what hosts can for more speed, security, reliability, and anonymity online and not nearly as efficiently as hosts do as well.

  68. Re:Why use just 1 source for hosts data? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Adblock paid shill sockpuppets = scared shitless of apk http://yro.slashdot.org/commen... as all they can manage is trying to hide apk's posts with unjustifiable minusmods but never proving apk wrong on a single thing his lists point out in favor of custom hosts files over all other inferior browser addons based so called solutions that don't do a fraction of what hosts can for more speed, security, reliability, and anonymity online and not nearly as efficiently as hosts do as well.

  69. Re:AdBlock = slower, inferior + 'souled-out' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Adblock paid shill sockpuppets = scared shitless of apk http://yro.slashdot.org/commen... as all they can manage is trying to hide apk's posts with unjustifiable minusmods but never proving apk wrong on a single thing his lists point out in favor of custom hosts files over all other inferior browser addons based so called solutions that don't do a fraction of what hosts can for more speed, security, reliability, and anonymity online and not nearly as efficiently as hosts do as well.

  70. Re:AdBlock = slower, inferior + 'souled-out' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Adblock paid shill sockpuppets = scared shitless of apk http://yro.slashdot.org/commen... as all they can manage is trying to hide apk's posts with unjustifiable minusmods but never proving apk wrong on a single thing his lists point out in favor of custom hosts files over all other inferior browser addons based so called solutions that don't do a fraction of what hosts can for more speed, security, reliability, and anonymity online and not nearly as efficiently as hosts do as well.

  71. Re:I asked AdBlock's creator those questions... ap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Adblock paid shill sockpuppets = scared shitless of apk http://yro.slashdot.org/commen... as all they can manage is trying to hide apk's posts with unjustifiable minusmods but never proving apk wrong on a single thing his lists point out in favor of custom hosts files over all other inferior browser addons based so called solutions that don't do a fraction of what hosts can for more speed, security, reliability, and anonymity online and not nearly as efficiently as hosts do as well.

  72. Re:I asked AdBlock's creator those questions... ap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Adblock paid shill sockpuppets = scared shitless of apk http://yro.slashdot.org/commen... as all they can manage is trying to hide apk's posts with unjustifiable minusmods but never proving apk wrong on a single thing his lists point out in favor of custom hosts files over all other inferior browser addons based so called solutions that don't do a fraction of what hosts can for more speed, security, reliability, and anonymity online and not nearly as efficiently as hosts do as well.

  73. Re:AdBlock = slower, inferior + 'souled-out' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Adblock paid shill sockpuppets = scared shitless of apk http://yro.slashdot.org/commen... as all they can manage is trying to hide apk's posts with unjustifiable minusmods but never proving apk wrong on a single thing his lists point out in favor of custom hosts files over all other inferior browser addons based so called solutions that don't do a fraction of what hosts can for more speed, security, reliability, and anonymity online and not nearly as efficiently as hosts do as well.

  74. Re:ClarityRay knows (beats adblock) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Adblock paid shill sockpuppets = scared shitless of apk http://yro.slashdot.org/commen... as all they can manage is trying to hide apk's posts with unjustifiable minusmods but never proving apk wrong on a single thing his lists point out in favor of custom hosts files over all other inferior browser addons based so called solutions that don't do a fraction of what hosts can for more speed, security, reliability, and anonymity online and not nearly as efficiently as hosts do as well.

  75. Re:AdBlock = slower, inferior + 'souled-out' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Adblock paid shill sockpuppets = scared shitless of apk http://yro.slashdot.org/commen... as all they can manage is trying to hide apk's posts with unjustifiable minusmods but never proving apk wrong on a single thing his lists point out in favor of custom hosts files over all other inferior browser addons based so called solutions that don't do a fraction of what hosts can for more speed, security, reliability, and anonymity online and not nearly as efficiently as hosts do as well.

  76. Read the fine print by iq145 · · Score: 1

    Corporations are DIRTY and care for nothing but profit, so even reading the fine print doesn't always work (if they even offer it): http://www.newser.com/story/18... http://www.newser.com/story/19... http://www.newser.com/story/17...

  77. Hosts = "The Superior Warrior" vs. addons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can adblock do 16 things hosts do for speed, security, & reliability:

    1.) Protect vs. malicious sites/servers (beyond malicious ads: See 2-10 next)
    2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stop communication to C&C servers
    3.) Protect vs. dynamic dns botnets + stop communication to C&C servers
    4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stop communication to C&C servers
    5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (adds reliability)
    6.) Protect vs. DNS redirect poisoned dns
    7.) Protect vs. trackers
    8.) Protect vs. spam
    9.) Protect vs. phishing
    10.) Protect vs. bandwidth caps
    11.) Get you past a dnsbl
    12.) Keep you off dns request logs
    13.) Speed up websurfing by adblocks & hardcoded fav. sites
    14.) Work on ANY webbound app (think stand-alone email programs) multiplatform.
    15.) Give you easily texteditor controlled data for the above
    16.) Do all that & block ads (better than addons) more efficiently in cpu cycles + memory usage

    * ANSWER ="NO" to each above on AdBlock doing it as well or at all!

    APK

    P.S.=> AdBlock does FAR less than hosts do & FAR less efficiently - hosts do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ the IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN to operate (as 1st resolver queried):

    AdBlock's 4++gb & 100% CPU usage flooring inefficiency -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... + ClarityRay defeats it + it 'souled-out' & is crippled by default paid off to not do its job http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/... & ABP too http://finance.yahoo.com/news/...

    AdBlock adds complexity/room for breakdown/exploit + from a slower mode of operations (usermode = more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode).

    AdBlock's SLOWER than hosts: http://superuser.com/questions...

    For the BEST hosts file?

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit -> http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    ... apk

  78. Adblock = slower, inferior + 'souled-out' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can adblock do 16 things hosts do for speed, security, & reliability:

    1.) Protect vs. malicious sites/servers (beyond malicious ads: See 2-10 next)
    2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stop communication to C&C servers
    3.) Protect vs. dynamic dns botnets + stop communication to C&C servers
    4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stop communication to C&C servers
    5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (adds reliability)
    6.) Protect vs. DNS redirect poisoned dns
    7.) Protect vs. trackers
    8.) Protect vs. spam
    9.) Protect vs. phishing
    10.) Protect vs. bandwidth caps
    11.) Get you past a dnsbl
    12.) Keep you off dns request logs
    13.) Speed up websurfing by adblocks & hardcoded fav. sites
    14.) Work on ANY webbound app (think stand-alone email programs) multiplatform.
    15.) Give you easily texteditor controlled data for the above
    16.) Do all that & block ads (better than addons) more efficiently in cpu cycles + memory usage

    * ANSWER ="NO" to each above on AdBlock doing it as well or at all!

    APK

    P.S.=> AdBlock does FAR less than hosts do & FAR less efficiently - hosts do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ the IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN to operate (as 1st resolver queried):

    AdBlock's 4++gb & 100% CPU usage flooring inefficiency -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... + ClarityRay defeats it + it 'souled-out' & is crippled by default paid off to not do its job http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/... & ABP too http://finance.yahoo.com/news/...

    AdBlock adds complexity/room for breakdown/exploit + from a slower mode of operations (usermode = more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode).

    AdBlock's SLOWER than hosts: http://superuser.com/questions...

    For the BEST hosts file?

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit -> http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    ... apk

  79. I asked AdBlock's creator those questions... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Result? W. Palant RAN after he wrote me by email 1st saying "hosts are a shitty solution" to which I replied:

    "Show us adblock can do more for added speed, security, reliability, & anonymity than hosts can, + that adblock does it more efficiently than hosts"

    Which on my latter 'point-in-challenge' on efficiency AdBlock's proven by research to be MASSIVELY inefficient -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... & adblock does FAR less than hosts (especially crippled by default).

    I sent Wladimir Palant that challenge in response to his statement from 2 different email addresses I use!

    Result = Still no answer from him in regard to my challenge put to him to this very day MONTHS later - that tell you anything? It did me!

    He knows his addon is less efficient & features laden by FAR vs. hosts - Wladimir Palant RAN like a scared rabbit!

    ClarityRay's also DESTROYING AdBlock - via native browser methods to DUMP what addons you use (it can't DO THAT to hosts files).

    I only tell it how it is on hosts' superiority vs. AdBlock - Funny part is, Wladimir Palant running does too!

    Especially considering "Almost ALL Ads Blocked" has 'souled-out' -> Google & Others Pay Adblock Plus To Show You Ads Anyway: http://news.slashdot.org/comme... & ABP too http://finance.yahoo.com/news/...

    APK

    P.S.=> Bottom-Line: Hosts = a superior solution that also fixes DNS redirect security issues (vs. browser addons & their inefficiencies + messagepassing overheads as well as myriad lack of abilities hosts have from 1 file that's part of the IP stack itself - faster, more efficient, & less redundant as well, since TCP/IP has 45++ yrs. of refinement & optimization in it, & runs in a higher CPU serviced ring of privelege & operations in kernelmode vs. slower usermode layering over browsers slowing them more, & hosts = 1st resolver queried by the OS itself also)... apk