Ok, so that makes one person with enough music for a 60 gig iPod. I'm sure there is a number of those people. What I'm questioning is if there are really enough people with that many legitimately owned songs to warrant the design and marketing for the iPod at 60 gigs.
And you're right, it's not Apple's ResponSibility to make sure that people are legally obtaining their music. But if the majority of their business is for stolen music, what makes them different from the convenience store that sells cigarettes to minors or manufactures crack pipes? (or even selling guns to terrorists?)
a dozen CDs is MAYBE 500 songs. You'd need six HUNDRED cds, each with 20 tracks to get 60 gigs of music.
I didn't mean to imply that people would be purchasing CDs all at once, lump sum of $12,000 - I just meant that they must have spent a total of that amount over time. I should have been more clear.
The ability to carry any file I didn't take into account - for that purpose, 60 gigs makes sense.
But yeah, I did take into account purchasing CDs and ripping them, read the post again (buying a cd for $15 with 15 tracks is still $1/track, btw)
I don't *blame* Apple. I'm just pointing out that they must at least recognize that a good portion of their market are music pirates.
Which, if you read it, was option A. I did list that they could be purchased from CD (still costs around $1/track at todays prices). 8 gigs is tiny compared to 60 - the fact that you use only 8 gigs doesn't prove that apple has a market for a 60 gig ipod. As a matter of fact, you're actually one reason to NOT create a larger size.
Even purchasing CDs is still that much money. Technically, if you and your wife both had an iPod containing your combined collection, it'd still be music piracy, since it's two copies that could potentially be listened to at the same time.
Apple will soon be coming out with a 60gb iPod. Next logical step, right? Consider this:
- 60GB is approximately 12,000 songs, if songs average 5MB each.
- Assuming each song is purchased either from a CD or from the iTunes store, the average cost/track is around $1
Conclusions:
A). Apple must believe that there is a sizable market of people who are likey to spend $12,000 on music that want a single device to hold it all
or B). Apple realized that a hefty amount of their iPod market steals music and doesn't care, so long as they get profit from the stolen-music business in addition to the profits made from the music that still gets purchased from the iTunes store.
Oh, I definitely did that. I was also complaining that they were sending me unsolicited junk mail (in this case, it was suggesting that I become a Foster Parent). My initial reaction was that CapitalOne sold my name to advertising, which didn't make me very happy. My email to them basically asked if the email came from them or not, and suggested that if they were not able to remove my name from the junkmail list, I'd be taking my business elsewhere. Here's the reply I got:
Dear Jeff Simpson,
Thank you for contacting Capital One regarding your request to discontinue e-mail communications.
Bif0.com. is the e-mail address of our outbound e-mail vendor with whom we have contracted.
Please note, as a Capital One customer, that there are three types of emails you may receive from us.
1) Account Management Messages: These emails perform two important functions for our account holders. First, they provide service updates such as verification of recent activities and changes to accounts. Second, they advise of special account specific services and options that are available such as credit increases. These opportunities are part of our commitment to bringing you timely information about specific features of your account which are part of our customer agreement with you. Because we believe these messages are necessary to service your account effectively, we do not provide a means to prevent this valuable information from reaching you.
2) Online Account Servicing (OAS) related messages: If you are enrolled in OAS, you will receive statement notification messages monthly, as well as verifications of activities preformed online (password change, etc.) As these messages are automatically generated by this service, they can only be stopped by canceling your online service by calling 1-800-951-6951 (1-804-747-7200 if you are overseas).
We hope you will continue to use our online service. If you choose to cancel your service at this time, you may always re-register in the future..
3) Non-Account Related Messages: You may also receive new solicitations for other Capital One products outside of your current account. While we hope that you find value in the products we offer, you may choose to opt out of such e-mails. You may opt out of receiving these messages through the following steps: - If you have an account opened in the United States or Canada, please visit us online at https://preferences.capitalone.com, at your convenience. Our web site is available to take your requests 24 hours every day.
Once you set your email preferences, if your name was previously selected for any offers prior to your request, it is possible for you to receive information from us for up to the next ten business days.
In the future if you would like to receive Capital One offers via email, please email your request to us at webinfo@capitalone.com.
We do apologize for any inconvenience. If we may be of further assistance, please do not hesitate to contact us.
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How are we supposed to tell the difference between a legitimate email from a company and a phishing attempt when places like CapitalOne use skeezy companies like bfi0.com for sending email to their customers? A link that says "Click here to access your statement" that actually goes to http://capitalone.bfi0.com/T8RT044ABB6D98DEB357FB2 EDD4A80 makes me feel safe inside.
Who else got sick of newbies using Windows Terminal and not understanding why the ANSI menus looked stupid with no color / extended characters and explained:
"All you do is wait three seconds, type three + signs, wait three more seconds, type ATH, and hit enter"
You mean RIPscript? I was so excited when I upgraded from a 2400 baud to 14.4kbps so I could finally browse with RIP graphics. So dissapointing, it was just images with text in the blank spaces.
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Ok, so that makes one person with enough music for a 60 gig iPod. I'm sure there is a number of those people. What I'm questioning is if there are really enough people with that many legitimately owned songs to warrant the design and marketing for the iPod at 60 gigs. And you're right, it's not Apple's ResponSibility to make sure that people are legally obtaining their music. But if the majority of their business is for stolen music, what makes them different from the convenience store that sells cigarettes to minors or manufactures crack pipes? (or even selling guns to terrorists?)
a dozen CDs is MAYBE 500 songs. You'd need six HUNDRED cds, each with 20 tracks to get 60 gigs of music. I didn't mean to imply that people would be purchasing CDs all at once, lump sum of $12,000 - I just meant that they must have spent a total of that amount over time. I should have been more clear.
The ability to carry any file I didn't take into account - for that purpose, 60 gigs makes sense. But yeah, I did take into account purchasing CDs and ripping them, read the post again (buying a cd for $15 with 15 tracks is still $1/track, btw) I don't *blame* Apple. I'm just pointing out that they must at least recognize that a good portion of their market are music pirates.
Which, if you read it, was option A. I did list that they could be purchased from CD (still costs around $1/track at todays prices). 8 gigs is tiny compared to 60 - the fact that you use only 8 gigs doesn't prove that apple has a market for a 60 gig ipod. As a matter of fact, you're actually one reason to NOT create a larger size. Even purchasing CDs is still that much money. Technically, if you and your wife both had an iPod containing your combined collection, it'd still be music piracy, since it's two copies that could potentially be listened to at the same time.
Apple will soon be coming out with a 60gb iPod. Next logical step, right? Consider this: - 60GB is approximately 12,000 songs, if songs average 5MB each. - Assuming each song is purchased either from a CD or from the iTunes store, the average cost/track is around $1 Conclusions: A). Apple must believe that there is a sizable market of people who are likey to spend $12,000 on music that want a single device to hold it all or B). Apple realized that a hefty amount of their iPod market steals music and doesn't care, so long as they get profit from the stolen-music business in addition to the profits made from the music that still gets purchased from the iTunes store.
Oh, I definitely did that. I was also complaining that they were sending me unsolicited junk mail (in this case, it was suggesting that I become a Foster Parent). My initial reaction was that CapitalOne sold my name to advertising, which didn't make me very happy. My email to them basically asked if the email came from them or not, and suggested that if they were not able to remove my name from the junkmail list, I'd be taking my business elsewhere. Here's the reply I got:
Dear Jeff Simpson,
Thank you for contacting Capital One regarding your request to discontinue
e-mail communications.
Bif0.com. is the e-mail address of our outbound e-mail vendor with whom we
have contracted.
Please note, as a Capital One customer, that there are three types of
emails you may receive from us.
1) Account Management Messages: These emails perform two important
functions for our account holders. First, they provide service updates such
as verification of recent activities and changes to accounts. Second, they
advise of special account specific services and options that are available
such as credit increases. These opportunities are part of our commitment to
bringing you timely information about specific features of your account
which are part of our customer agreement with you. Because we believe these
messages are necessary to service your account effectively, we do not
provide a means to prevent this valuable information from reaching you.
2) Online Account Servicing (OAS) related messages: If you are enrolled in
OAS, you will receive statement notification messages monthly, as well as
verifications of activities preformed online (password change, etc.) As
these messages are automatically generated by this service, they can only
be stopped by canceling your online service by calling 1-800-951-6951
(1-804-747-7200 if you are overseas).
We hope you will continue to use our online service. If you choose to
cancel your service at this time, you may always re-register in the
future..
3) Non-Account Related Messages: You may also receive new solicitations for
other Capital One products outside of your current account. While we hope
that you find value in the products we offer, you may choose to opt out of
such e-mails. You may opt out of receiving these messages through the
following steps:
- If you have an account opened in the United States or Canada, please
visit us online at https://preferences.capitalone.com, at your convenience.
Our web site is available to take your requests 24 hours every day.
Once you set your email preferences, if your name was previously selected
for any offers prior to your request, it is possible for you to receive
information from us for up to the next ten business days.
In the future if you would like to receive Capital One offers via email,
please email your request to us at webinfo@capitalone.com.
We do apologize for any inconvenience. If we may be of further assistance,
please do not hesitate to contact us.
Sincerely,
L. Forbess
eCorrespondence
Capital One Services(R)
Visit us online at http://www.capitalone.com, where you can access valuable
products and services.
How are we supposed to tell the difference between a legitimate email from a company and a phishing attempt when places like CapitalOne use skeezy companies like bfi0.com for sending email to their customers? A link that says "Click here to access your statement" that actually goes to http://capitalone.bfi0.com/T8RT044ABB6D98DEB357FB2 EDD4A80 makes me feel safe inside.
Who else got sick of newbies using Windows Terminal and not understanding why the ANSI menus looked stupid with no color / extended characters and explained: "All you do is wait three seconds, type three + signs, wait three more seconds, type ATH, and hit enter"
You mean RIPscript? I was so excited when I upgraded from a 2400 baud to 14.4kbps so I could finally browse with RIP graphics. So dissapointing, it was just images with text in the blank spaces.