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U2 iPod: Any Color You Want, As Long As It's Black
dave writes "Forbes is carrying the story that U2 and Apple will be releasing a custom black iPod that comes preloaded with the band's new album as well as portions of the band's 25-year back catalog. The custom iPod will be made available the same week as the new album, which is slated for release in the U.S. November 23rd. The article also talks about the larger deal which included the advertisement for iPod/iTunes and exclusive rights for iTunes to sell the album online for the first few weeks of release." skyshock21 adds a link to this article in Revolution Magazine.
It comes with U2 preloaded? uughhhhh...
For pirating U2's next CD before it's official release!
I see a red ipod and I want it painted black...
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gawd, this would rock, that is if U2 didn't suck after they made Johsua Tree.
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Does this mean that we may be able to get serveral colors in the near future? Blue iPod? OR, will other Apple products ship in black? Something about a shiny black iBook seems cool to me.
Also, any word on how successful these kinds of exclusive marketing deals are? I've noticed that Best Buy does a number of these exclusive marketing tricks. Any evidence to suggest that they actually work? (i.e. substantially boost sales, brand loyalty, etc)
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So, where can I pick up one of these African-American IPods anyway?
"It's like, how much more black could this be? and the answer is... none. None more black."
Thanks a million. Push Start to replay.
..but the Estate of Francis Gary Powers wants royalties!
You could also get your iPod colored however you want from ColorWare.. or buy one pre-colored from them direct. Looks pretty cool.
The black letters on black background display might be a little tough to read, but it might count as one of the first real monochrome (mono = one) displays. I like the black play/FF/etc arrows printed on the black case, too.
"U2 and Interscope will split a standard royalty for each song downloaded (about $0.60 per download), plus an upfront licensing fee."
Good to know SOMEBODY is getting something approaching a (more) fair cut of online royalties...
Yes, but is it None More Black?
Are we seeing a new marketing tactic in the horizon?
Eg Buy a DVD Recorder with LOTR extendeder version preloaded? Or TiVo with 10 seasons of Friends?
Oh! It'll be fun if iPod's preloading Beatles songs...
Rock that crushes, Paper & Scissors that don't matter.
I have read that the MP3 player market will be larger than the music content industry both in terms of revenues and profits within the next four years.
So, the obvious trend would be for the player manufacturers to work directly with the bands and eliminate the conventional content industry.
But may the gods help us if Apple likes U2.
I'm just waiting for iPods to come out with album covers on them as well (like cell phone covers). I'm sure it will happen.
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"Wow a $300 rock album"
and when the battery dies, it becomes a $300 rock.
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Instead of mac apple and beatles apple fighting.. why don't they team up and sell a version of the white ipod with an apple graphic on the wheel thats pre-loaded with the beatles' white album.. the marketing writes itself.
As noted yesterday on As the Apple Turns, this could have some ramifications for the lawsuit, as Apple Computer is going to be shipping physical media with pre-recorded songs on it. The argument up to this point was that Apple Computer had never shipped any physical media containing songs (Barenaked Ladies music videos on the Mac OS 8+ system CDs notwithstanding), and thus wasn't in violation of the previous agreement with Apple Records.
I'm curious to see what the Beatles'/Apple Records' lawyers will say about this.
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Too bad this will probably be an U.S. only -deal. I couldn't care less about U2, but I've considered to finally buy an iPod next month, and my metal-weighted music library would deserve black covers around it. ;)
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black iPod that comes preloaded with the band's new album as well as portions of the band's 25-year back catalo
Sure, it's cool that the iPod is black (although, I can't seem to find any pictures of said iPod. I'd love to see what it looks like), but I think the real question is how much of the band's catalog is preloaded onto it? If you are a U2 fan, and the device contains, say, even 50% of the catalog, that's pretty significant value added. Of course, if you're a U2 fan, you probably own those albums anyway, so maybe not.
Still, I guess it's a nice marketing gimmick by Apple. Exclusive rights to seel the music (online, and for a little while at least), some ads out of a pretty popular group, and a million trillion news outlets covering the story and producing even more press. Kudos, Apple.
... turning to the 3-D map, we see an unmistakable con
in reverse....dopi2U
"Look Lois, the two symbols of the Republican Party: an elephant, and a fat white guy who is threatened by change."
...or there will be some unhappy folks who synchronize their library (and blow away the new album).
I saw them circa 1980. I brought a girl, hoping to impress her. U2 brought their full stadium sound gear. Trouble was, it was a 4,500 seat auditorium.
I've noticed that as a trend over the years: bands don't tune their sound to the venue very well. The sound guys usually wear headphones, to zero in on this track or that, and don't bother with just how loud the overall band is after the initial sound check.
The overvolume of the show pretty much ruined me on U2 after that. All I could think of when I heard their songs for years was that, uh, rather disappointing evening.
sigs, as if you care.
Ya'll see that commercial with him pimping the iPod? He counts "Uno... Dos... Tres... Catorce" in Spanish. Now I may not be the most educated man on Earth, but I know sure as shit that fourteen does NOT come after three!!
"Ask not what your country can do for you." --John F. Kennedy
You know, I'm not a fan of the continual ads about the iPod on Slashdot but that's another story.
On another tangent, will the next U2 album be so terrible that they need to latch on to the iPod in order to get an image boost as "still relevant"?
Actually the new album, from what I have heard of it, doesn't really sound like your typical U2 pop rock stuff. Some of it is actually decent and some of it is absolute shit. But I suppose that I'm more tuned in to their older shit and don't really care for the turn they have taken with this album (again, what I have heard from it at least).
My Karma's bound to take a beating for this but oh well...
This portable mp3 player seems nice and I've been shopping around for a while but I still haven't found what I'm looking for.
Does it have additional GPS functionality in case I get lost where the streets have no name?
They initially went with Rio but with the faulty hard-drives, the "Rio Lemon" just wasn't going to be popular.
They were also pitched a deal with Microsoft but Bono didn't like the idea of Ballmer dancing to Mysterious Ways...and Hold Me Thrill Me Kiss Me Kill Me for that matter.
I heard the new black ipod is nature-proof and can be used even in places of high elevation.
Asked if the band actually uses the product, Bono admitted that both he and The Edge owned One...but they're not the same.
BOY! I sure want ONE of those! I wonder if the headphone WIRE is colored - if not, I'll have to PAINT IT BLACK. If I had a black iPod I'd sure take PRIDE in it. I wonder if it comes in 40 gig? Y'know, I got a white iPod once and it was a LEMON. Now that I think about it, I guess an iPod isn't really what I want. Great... I STILL HAVEN'T FOUND WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR.
(Go ahead. Mod me down. I'll still laugh at it... WITH OR WITHOUT YOU!)
Can't wait to see what they think of next!
...At least there wasn't sound. :)
This is a neat gadget, but it lacks a few things like touchscreen & a built in cell-phone... maybe 802.11 so I can swap tunes from my HDD more easily... in short:
I STILL HAVEN'T FOUND WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR.
Trying to use sarcasm in text-based forums does not work.
for a Type R iPod in green/purple chameleon paint, and a "spinner rim" scroll wheel.
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Where he traveled time
For the future of mankind
It must be hard for Bono to decide whether he is a corporate rock stooge or an Apple-using rebel. Thank god U2's music hasn't been compromised.
This isn't the first time someone's announced an iPod in non-standard colours.. nothing came of it last time around!
I don't believe Apple want to issue iPods which aren't in the standard colours as it breaks the consistency of their product line. Black iPods? I'll believe it when I see it.
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Lets say I bought this new ipod, and I had to format it for some reason.
Now will I be able to get the preshipped songs back on it? Will I be able to transfer them off the Ipod (or install CD) to make a copy for my (fair) use?
perhaps steve's RDF is wearing on Bono/U2?
With my other mp3 players, I slide open the hatch and replace the battery. No screwdriver involved, no risk of destroying the machine either.
Remember that Popular Science article by the guy showing how easy it was to replace the battery in the iPod. He even described all the tools and techniques. You almost miss it at the end when he mentions that it never came on agian. The operation was a success but the patient died.
If a band is gonna tie itself to a marketing campaign, you might as well give them the whole kit & kaboodle.
That would entail:
all albums. Yeah, all of them.
B-sides. Ie stuff not on the albums/cds/compilations
outtakes/demos - Get the really-hard-to-find U2 audio. You know, those tracks you have to buy the whole box set to get, and it's usually just 1 or 2 tunes + all the tunes you had before?
If you're gonna go, go all out. Put some tracks that might not sell well by itself, but would be a great addition to an iPod for fans, or would-be fans.
I saw the new IPod commercial on the weekend with a shiluotted(SP) playing 'Vertigo' in it. I guess I'm going to have to take back my comment about witnessing a new low -- song rights sold before the album was commercially availble.
Its sales were flying high until spyware was found on board-- then the Government shot it down.
If brevity is the soul of wit, then how does one explain Twitter?
Seems like that /. has an iPod freak or two among them. It's just advertisements foos!
...Than Bono walking around the poorest parts of Africa in his $800 Gucci shades?
Maybe this is just nitpicking, but the word "custom" usually means "built to custom specifications for a particular customer." Customer. This is really just a special promotional edition iPod that is being mass-produced. Kind of misleading to call it "custom."
"Destroy science and religion. Science would re-emerge exactly the same; but not religion." - Penn Jillette, paraphrased
I was thinking the exact same thing. I'm thinking that Apple will either:
1) Include a gift certificate inside each U2 iPod box to download the songs,
2) Put the songs on the iPod so that they can only be accessed when as a harddrive to give you a chance to copy them to your computers HDD,
3) Put the songs on a CD/DVD and put that in the box (I think this would be the least likely since it would then cause further problems with Apple Corps.)
4) Include a mail-in coupon to get the songs on CD/DVD.
Apple will soon be coming out with a 60gb iPod. Next logical step, right? Consider this: - 60GB is approximately 12,000 songs, if songs average 5MB each. - Assuming each song is purchased either from a CD or from the iTunes store, the average cost/track is around $1 Conclusions: A). Apple must believe that there is a sizable market of people who are likey to spend $12,000 on music that want a single device to hold it all or B). Apple realized that a hefty amount of their iPod market steals music and doesn't care, so long as they get profit from the stolen-music business in addition to the profits made from the music that still gets purchased from the iTunes store.
Isnt exclusive selling or limiting the selling of a product to one company/outlet known as unfair trade practices?
I wonder if the earbuds (and cord) are black too. White cord/earbuds used to be a sign of 'rob me, I got an expansive Ipod in my pocket'. Many friends of mine changed the (excellent) earbuds that came with their Ipod for Sony's one for this particular reason.
As a side note, I just don't get the U2 sponsorship thing... what's next, pink Ipod with Britney preloaded?
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Personally, I think this is more important than the colour and what songs are pre-loaded and is really the topic that should be discussed here.
I don't have an iPod, but my iRiver will not let me download MP3s (I can delete 'em tho), but this is not an issue because it assumes that if I uploaded the files, I have them somewhere else. How does the standard iPod handle this issue?
Along with this, what will the quality of the MP3s be? Will they be sampled at the highest possible bit rate (ideally have a CD image on the iPod's hard drive) or at the minimum to save space and minimize the likely hood of pirating the recordings?
Maybe a better question is, who is driving this promotion? If it's the band, will they be pushing for the consumer to get the best deal or if it's an RIAA weasel, will they try to give the absolute minimum (and even try to get the consumer to shell out for the CD as well)?
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ThinkSecret got it right again, right down to the week of release.
I'm still waiting for the black and yellow sriped STRYPER edition. Hello?
Um.. every time you plug an ipod into a machine it hasnt connected with, it asks if you want to associate it with that machine. It does this by asking if you want to erase the contents of the iPod and copy songs down from the machine. If you say yes, your iPod's contents are erased, and updated with whatever is in iTunes. If you say no, you keep whats on the iPod, but can't add anything new. Not to mention you can't copy music back from the iPod to the machine.
(Note: all of the above assumes you are using iTunes and not one of the many third party tools available, as this is an official apple thing, and they assume the same)
So how exactly will preloading music work? The first time you plug it into your machine you get to pick between your new U2 songs or the rest of your music? Maybe there will be a new iTunes in which marketing has dictated that U2 preload songs be hardcoded to avoid being erased? I mean, the iPod ALSO limits people from copying songs back to their machine.. so it's not like you can back the tunes up before associating the thing.
Maybe all of this is outlined in TFA and I should have read it. Or maybe apple has decided to remove the stupid association/copying limitations on the iPod now that they have their whole DRM stuff going on. But that seems doubtful.
HP already sells "iPod tattoos" for their HP branded iPods (though I don't know why they wouldn't work on the Apple one). They're basically stickers you print out and then apply to your iPod.
"People that quote themselves in their signatures bother me" - athakur999
and it comes with a volume control that goes up to 11!
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Mimetics Inc. Twitter
Well mine will have a muffler instead of a firewire jack. When it transfers, you'll hear the following.
As a state gets corrupt, its laws multiply; the most corrupt states have the most numerous laws. (Tacitus, Annales 3:27)
- Those who don't like the whiteness
- Those who are fad-driven, since this will be the "latest cool thing"
- Those pondering an iPod purchase, but who were undecided might see extra value in the preloaded songs, and be pushed to buy
- U2 fan{boy|girl}s: they will buy because the black iPod screams "I'm a U2 fan".
I expect that this promotion will be rather effective, and we'll see Apple running similar promos in the future. Also, the poster who predicted changeable iPod covers (a la cellphone faceplates) is, IMO, right on the money.We may not imagine how our lives could be more frustrating and complex—but Congress can. – Cullen Hightower
Forbes says "Vertigo has topped the iTunes download charts since its debut three weeks ago". The itunes chart..
Is this the new metric on song popularity? It would seem to very accurate because you can track who would be willing to pay for a song rather than on an album by album basis..
Where is the Pac Man yellow Ipod. Ipod's are cool. You are a nobody if you don't have an Ipod. Is it really music if you listen to it through anything other than an Ipod. Jesus has an Ipod.
In truth, I have owned 3 different HD based digital music players....none of them ipods. Does this make me a bad person?
DRM sucks. I would much rather buy a laptop hard drive that just happens to play mp3's. Rather than a digital music player with DRM that just happens to have a hard drive.
(+1 Funny) only if I laugh out loud.
about it to friends or, in this case, people on the internet too.
Sometimes advertisements do weird shit in order to get the word spread.
All your base are belong to Google.
Instead of having it directly on the ipod, they should just have some special key-code where you download it one time only and have it stored on your computer. That way everyone who wants the album gets it, and those who don't won't have uncessary crap on their ipod.
You can get cow stickers (random black patches) for your fridge and stuff.
I want em on my ipod!
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And this got modded as flamebait. I thought that truth protected you from being modded flamebait. What the poster said is, IMNSHO, true. Everything after Joshua Tree has been forgettable pop garbage. Souless, meaningless, empty crap.
You don't have to agree with me, and you don't have to agree with the original poster. That's fine. If you don't you post a rebuttal. You don't mod as flamebait because he/she/it makes a statement you don't agree with.
Boobies never hurt anyone. - Sherry Glaser.
iPods are officially one-way when it comes to transfering music. You can put music in, but not take it out. So, how will you get those preloaded tunes off your iPod and into your iTunes so that they don't get wiped out the first time you sync your iPod?
Maybe they come with a music store "gift certificate" or something? You buy the ipod, then logon to download your "preload" ?
Read the EFF's Fair Use FAQ
U2's "How to Dismantle an Atomic Bomb" is already sitting on my harddrive. It's filename is U2 How To Dismantle An Atomic Bomb 2004 Mp3 192Kbps By Obl.rar and on the eDonkey network it has a hash of E18BD546BC53834B705533CFE5EE9A44.
:)
You don't have to buy the new iPod "blackenstein" edition just to hear the latest U2 recordings.. what a concept!
Hey, while we're at it, let's pull BitTorrent into the equation. here's the torrent for their new single
The big question is: What kind of DRM will be on the pre-loaded songs? When you buy songs from the iTunes Music Store, the files are DRM'ed so that only your authorized copies of iTunes will play them. These pre-loaded files will have to playable on every installation of iTunes out there...?!?
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if the u2Pod comes preloaded, how the hell does the music survive first initiazation? And if the music if fairplayed, how does it know what account to bind to? chicken or egg....
A black apple? Nothing new here, they did this back in the 1980's:
Black Apple
I think these are pretty collectable today.
HP did that already. I think they call them tattoos. It's a printable skin you wrap around the Ipod and they provide artist related images for you to print on them.
mbbac
...and who gives a shit!
...with the great whispered lyrics "handcuff me" added in for good measure. Only later in life did I realize that this was a cover song originally done by the Rolling Stones.
...this is a BLACK iPod.
There are 01 types of people in this world. Those that understand binary, and me.
The problem is that relic music companies only want to sell you music. We all know how easy it is to manipulate the disk into a format you want instead of the one they want to sell us. At this point there is very little value in "just music" releases.
However if you start tying in special stuff like with what is going on here with U2 and Apple, people will more than happily give you money. You've now given them the music in a format they like better *and* gave them value added stuff that can't be ripped from a CD or duplicated (the black iPod).
This is the future of music and media. Just selling the music/information is not enough because it is marginalized by copying no matter what protection schemes they try to throw in. The future is "music/information" + "goodies".
I hate to be that guy, but this seems worth it.
And what the hell does Apple care how people get their music? That's not their responcibility.
actually they seem to think it is. they do use a lot of "anti-piracy" protection that just hurts functionality. I record my own music. If I put it on my ipod, I can't copy it to another machine, or even back to my own (my ipod has as much HD space as both my computers combined... pathetic, I know). Now I have to make 2 copies of the same file - one so I can listen to it, the other so I can use the ipod as an external HD. It's a pain in the ass. Not to mention that they won't let you burn CD's from the ipod, which is just rediculous.
Of coarse I agree that they SHOULDN'T care, but sadly that's not the case.
What's the ugliest part of your body? Some say your nose, some say your toes, but I think it's your mind. -Zappa
reminds me of the quote fromt he letterman/leno fued tv movie
"This is new york. We only wear black, till something darker comes along"
There's nothing Intelligent about Intelligent Design.
Get a free ipod from freeipods.com, paint it black, then download U2's complete works off bittorrent.
Earplugs rock. Particularly because it filters out other crap you hear (glass or chairs rattling in a venue, annoying guy next to you) and leaves you with a good headphone-esque volume in your ear during the show.
I'm still rather young to speak like an old goat about this, but earplugs are the only way I listen to shows anymore. I got tired of the ear ringing directly after, and having everybody shout at you when talking to you for the next 2 days. I love music so much, that I want to protect my hearing and be able to enjoy it for the rest of my life.
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You can buy the Gateway 2000 version of the cowPod now!
Who says it has to be Spanish? LOTS of languages use uno, dos and tres as their first three numbers. I'll tell you what, though, there are a couple that use quatro-variants as #4, pronounced entirely differently from Espanol...
...say, akin to "KAT-ruh"
I know this because I once owned an Italian car called the Masarati Quattroporte, pronounced "KATruh-port"
And by the time I get this posted, I'm sure 6 others will point out that 14 DOES come after 3.
This got modded TROLL!? Its a joke.... "I still haven't found what I'm looking for" ... its a U2 song... work with me here folks!
"Forbes is carrying the story that U2 and Apple will be releasing a custom black iPod that comes preloaded with the band's new album as well as portions of the band's 25-year back catalog."
A portion? Only a portion? For the price this thing is gonna cost you, you better get their entire compilation of music.
You need a FREE iPod Nano
To be fair to the grandparent poster, the great-grandparent poster should have said "Will the price be higher than the current iPod?" instead of letting it sound like they mean "Will the price be higher than the iPod with U2 on it?"
Are they really preloaded on the Ipod? Because, once you connect the Ipod to the computer, Itunes will ask you if you want to overwrite the library on the Ipod with the library in Itunes.
I'd imagine there is a disc in the box.
mbbac
Isn't it a free download? That could have something to do with it...
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Could you name 3 more past-their-prime bands? REM and U2 were great bands back in the day, but come on....I don't see much coming from their support of electronic distribution.
People are FAR more excited about getting a black iPod than in getting an iPod preloaded with U2 songs. How do you get the songs off of there anyway? doesn't iTunes overwrite an iPod which is newly linked to it?
I would buy a $300 album if it came with a free iPod...
...if the music is pre-loaded, then when it is first synched with iTunes, the pre-loaded music will be deleted?
Surely it's more likely that they would bundle the iPod with an iTunes Music Store Voucher for the 'free' tracks so the user can download them themselves. This would keep all the DRM intact.
Or "Back Sabbath" or "Black Snake" or "Black 47" or "Black Uhuru". The iPod will also be locked so you cannot load "The White Album". :)
putting the 'B' in LGBTQ+
I'm trying to figure out the ways to get this the cheapest. I suppose this will not be available in any other store than the Apple retail store or Apple's online store...
1) Use a paypal debit card (1.5% back) or other credit card cash back or point reward card (up to 4%)
2) Buy under a program like MyPoints using the affiliate Apple Store Link = a 5% yield in converted to cash points
3) Least useful tip: have the item shipped where Apple does not charge sales tax
Can anyone else think of any other ways to save money on such an item to yield it for the lowest price?
Yell & scream & rant & rave... it's no use... you need a shaaaave ~ Bugs Bunny
and it keeps bring up this
It's also black.
This has nothing to do with discrimination!
This is Apple's weak attempt of dealing with the soon-to-be-superior PSP which will play mp3s, watch movies and play games.
Read the most recent Newsweek magazine and you'd know Steve Jobs is worried since PSP debuts at $300 with all the above features.
A new color to spice up marketing AND match the PSP's color, is the least Apple can do.
Hopefully, once you reformat, they will be gone forever.
Apple should work out a deal with these guys. Get custom options like PC manufactuers like Alienware.
"Sic Semper Tyrannosaurus Rex."
i must tell you that Quattro is not pronounced KATruh-port... the italian particle "Qu" is closer to "Kw" than to K{vowel} so Quattro sounds kwa-t-tro there is a VERY small -but nonetheless, it's there- pause between the T's, 'elongating' the sound. (Happens with every double consonant in italian). Also, 'Porte' sounds "Porte" (the e as in 'echo', you don't leave out the vowels in italian.. And also i think it is a Maserati. Don't take it personal, it's constructive criticism.
...from the Rolling Stone article:
$0.17 Musicians' unions
$0.80 Packaging/manufacturing
$0.82 Publishing royalties
$0.80 Retail profit
$0.90 Distribution
$1.60 Artists' royalties
$1.70 Label profit
$2.40 Marketing/promotion
$2.91 Label overhead
$3.89 Retail overhead
What if someone like, say, U2 went exclusively to downloads for an album. You'd get the music, and maybe a jpeg to print a cd cover, plus other downloadable goodies (maybe exclusive videos or something). The following costs could be changed:
$0.00 Packaging/manufacturing; what packaging and manufacturing is involved in the download process? Nothing. All these costs will go into production overhead.
$0.45 Distribution; I'm just taking a shot in the dark at this one, but distribution of electronic music basically means managed hosting of servers, so you could cut costs a lot here.
$1.75 Marketing/promotion; I think you could cut this even more, but I'm thinking of things like posters, carboard advertisements, etc, at record stores. They wouldn't be a factor anymore. Basically just advertising would be costs...magazine ads and commercials.
$0.00 Retail overhead; this goes away completely. Distribution costs cover this. No displays, no shipping, no stocking, no storage, none of those costs. You enter your credit card number, click an icon, and bang, music is on its way from the server.
That brings the price down to $10.20; and let me say, I'm EXTREMELY suspicious of that $2.91 figure for label overhead. I think that's mostly bullshit, and I wouldn't be surprised if the real number were half of that.
Life is hard, and the world is cruel
'bout time someone did something to make it a little more cool. Can't believe all these plaudits for design that've been running around...previously waay too girlie for a real man. White high heels anyone?
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Your post got me thinking. iTunes controls the songs that are on the iPod. From what I understand, if one connects an iPod to a computer with iTunes running, iTunes will delete the songs on the iPod that are not also in its library.
Is this true? (I don't own an iPod.) If so, it might be trivial for Apple to release an update to iTunes (maybe even via the black u2Pods) which will disable this iTunes "feature." But if this happens, does that means iTunes will from that moment on refrain from deleting songs from connected iPods?
I apologize if I am completely mis-thinking how iPods and iTunes interact, in which case here is your money back: ø
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So an iPod is INSURANCE.
If you have a $3,000 CD collection (say half used, half new, $8 for used, $16 for new, $24 for two CDs, then $3k is 250 CDs, if there is 50 minutes of music per CD and you rip at 1mb/minute, that's 12500mb or 12.5gb of music) a $400 iPod is CHEAP insurance vs getting CDs scratched, lost, or stolen.
If you have a $6,000 CD collection, then you have 25gb of music. If you rip at higher than 128kbps, but say 224kbps, then a $6k CD collection will take approximately 50gb!
So iPods really do make sense if you've been buying 2 CDs a month for the past 10 years (that's 24 a year, 240 total).
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not to squelch the joking around about streets yet to be named, but I have a legit QUESTION:
I presumed that Apple's DRM worked by encoding a song with a particular user's ID, then transmitting it down. It would take that user's ID to unlock the song and thus, the DRM would work.
So how the heck will this work for the iPod? I am assuming you can take the music OFF the iPod and add it to iTunes but then you would just have this AAC file without DRM or with DRM you can't decrypt.
So this leads me to believe you will NOT be able to remove the songs from the iPod - they become like demo versions of video games on a CD you get with your modem. You can play the songs on the iPod all you want, but you gotta BUY them if you want to play them on iTunes.
Clever Apple, very clever.
If this is so, then I would suspect from now until forever, iPods will come preloaded with some songs, or perhaps photos, because it is such a great way to promote.
I only came here to do two things; kick some ass, and drink some beer...looks like we're almost out of beer.
The German fun Punk Band Wizo http://www.wizo.de claims to be the first band to release an Album on an USB-Stick. http://www.wizo.de/stick
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The stick contains 5 songs, pictures, lyrics, guitar tabs and videos of the band. You also get 4 stickers with the band logo and a lanyard.
For the 64 MB Stick you pay only 15,90 ! http://hulkshop.de/catalog/product_info.php?produ
Hell, you can even get the stick and throw away the music! That's how it should be!
If each iPod has unique Fairplay associated copy of U2's songs, does that qualify for 'custom'?
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Can anyone else think of any other ways to save money on such an item to yield it for the lowest price?
Steal it
This seems pretty unlikely to me.
Apple must gain a lot of mindshare from the fact that most iPODs look very similar. With custom covers they aren't likely to blend in. Also most cellphones that have changable facias feel cheap.
Plus now having a custom ipod requires you dropping $$$$ to apple, not $10 to a cheap faceplate company in china.
He can control (or 50% control with Sony now) who covers the songs
.08 per recording.
AFAIK, anyone can cover just about anything by paying mechanical royalties to the publisher who holds the copyrights. Not super expensive either... think the rate is
Tweet, tweet.
Well, seeing as how that would be next to impossible to do from an online store and I would imagine - very difficult to do from an Apple Store - no moderation for you.
Every time you try to operate one of the weird black controls that are labelled in black on a black background, a little black light lights up black to let you know youve done it.
An iPod that works half the time and wants things for free.
And he did it in Spanish just to show off.
he's broke, you know. rode too many giraffes and little boys.
From MacNewsWorld:
I think it's pretty obvious they will ship with sofwtare that basically makes the files owned by the first user that connects - so as soon as you connect with iTunes the music will be synced to your computer and it will live in both places, and possibly tie your username with the files.
I really can't imagine they would do it any other way.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Obviously Apple will update iTunes and/or the iPod firmware to allow pre-loaded songs to become part of your library, and they will be back synced to your computer.
It's all just software! Just because you can't do it now doesn't mean it can't be made to, or indeed has not already had the capability put in place laying latent for some time.
You know this will happen because there is no alternative that really makes any sense, and fits Apple's MO.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
The Purple iPod. Two circle-shaped holes are cut out of the back so you can see the circuits. Later the name of this iPod is changed to "".
Small potatoes make the steak look bigger.
Load the iTunes/Safari QT video, now open your Terminal and copy and paste the following:
cp -v `lsof |grep -i QTP| grep iTunes|awk '{ print $9 }'` ~/Desktop/currentmusicvideo.mov
For Safari:
cp -v `lsof |grep -i QTP| grep Safari|awk '{ print $9 }'` ~/Desktop/currentmusicvideo.mov
Wait and click on your Desktop
Click her to go to iTunes and buy something
Than someone with neither the talent to make that much money, and the heart to give so much of his resources and *time* away, being laughed at by some sad git on Slashdot?
All hail the new iDRMpod with the new Sonny Bono Copyright Term Extension Act.
h t_ Term_Extension_Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonny_Bono_Copyrig
ahahahahahahahahahah
Won't buy one until they support Ogg Vorbis. Be it by hack or by Apple, I care not.
Slashdot is proof that Sturgeon's Law applies to mankind.
I've always said that the only way I'd listen to U2 is if I was forced to.
How will this work? I am assuming it will still function as a regular iPod. But when I plug my iPod (that is, one w/ music on it), in to someone else's laptop, it prompts me as to whether I want to associate that person's library w/ my iPod.
The gist of it is, if I have an iPod with stuff on it, and give it to someone else, they can't have my stuff. Their stuff will just overwrite mine. SO the first time one sync's this iPod, will they lose the U2 shit? The notion of a pre-loaded iPod doesn't make sense to me.
It will in canada, can't charge the copywrite levy on media that comes with pre-recorded audio!
doesn't anyone else here find it slightly odd that U2 are now prereleasing their stuff on iPod, after all that hoopla about the Edge losing a CD with all their new songs during a photoshoot? think about it: /conspiracy theory
:)
1. if that had been true, all the songs would have ended up on Suprnova within three working days. to my knowledge, they have yet to appear on any of the p2p networks.
2. Bono starts going on about releasing the songs on iPod and what do you know, they come out with a none more black player loaded with their songs.
not that anyone cares about U2 anymore anyway (I think that atrocious disco song did it for lots of people - plus Bono's voice seems to go higher with each album), but I thought I'd do my duty for the tinfoil-hat brigade
The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it. -- G.B. Shaw
They can call it "iCaramba."
I want a Def Leppard IPod with the Union Jack for the color scheme...
...there was a joke that they all came supplied with "Brothers in Arms" by Dire Straits, which was then the ubiquitous CD.
Now its iPods, and nobody is laughing, because its not a joke any more.
It's really ironic that you're bashing Bono with such hackneyed right wing rhetoric when he has spent the past four years as a habitual guest in the Bush White House, traveling with Bush's Treasury Secretary, praying with Jesse Helms, calling on Bill Frist, and dining with Rupert Murdoch.
Don't you recognize one of your own when you see him?
Achtung Baby. "Nuff said.
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The still haven't found what they are looking for,
because they are on a street with no name,
climbing over walls to get to you...
Geez! A MAP and a pocket GPS would have helped out these guys A LOT!
Or just program a device with a receiver to accumulate them from broadcast radio.
I'm sure they'll find a way to get around that (ipod is re-recordable media, and therefor not fixed and therefor isn't pre-"recorded"). Or something like that.
good news - black ipod looks cool...
bad news - now everyone knows your taste in music sucks...
No, it isn't. That would be INSANE of Apple after running that TV spot...
I swear it's totally for real! Check this out if you don't believe me.
:)
Tierce
Who sponsors your feelings?
http://www.bonothepuppet.com/
http://www.negativland.com/audio.html
http://www.deuceofclubs.com/write/negativl.htm
I'll buy an iPod around the same time Apple releases iTunes for the PocketPC.
It is just great that various entities that I hate get together like this. It makes it so much easier for me to avoid them.
Like now -- I am already avoiding iPods like the plague, but wouldn't you know it, soon while avoiding iPods i will also be avoiding U2 and Bono!!! It's like I am getting the U2-Bono avoidance for free!!! Isn't modern marketing great.
And lets face it -- it is a match made in heaven -- both Bono and Apple are overhyped, attention craving, spineless moneysuckers that annihilate true culture any place they throd.
I thought Negativland was incompatible, something about a namepace collision that lead to a runaway zombie process in the U2 legal module.
"Everything is adjustable, provided you have the right tools"
You do realize that not everybody rips to a lossy format, right? You can fill up an iPod a lot faster that way.
Also, it can be used for file storage too, and a 60GB iPod would be perfect for backing up the 60GB hard drive in my iBook.
"[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz
It will be interesting to see if this player will be sold in Canada and if so, whether the CPCC Blank Media Levy will be charged. I don't understand why Apple doesn't include some demo track on the iPod to get around this $25 levy in Canada.
Just my 2 bits (~1.6 bits US)
Rapidly approaching the Zener knee...
That text was a cut and paste from their website. And if you think that sentence correct, I suggest you look into an "edumucation" as well.
what if they sell you a blank iPod and give you some sort of code to enter on ITMS so you can download the songs afterwards? pain in the ass for the consumer but it would probably work.
(Thanks to DNA)
Ciao
Like a CD?
Or a backup?
What's wrong with two copies?
Alternatively, Apple COULD just bundle a CD containing all the songs as AACs.
GPL Deconstructed
I forget the name of it, but it's that one where the boy-being meets the girl-being beneath a silvery moon, which then explodes for no adequately explored reason. Great tune, man.
- Give a man a fire and he's warm for a day, but set him on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life.
Really? I thought they had to have some kind of anyi-piracy thing so you couldn't give your mp3s away to people when you plugged into their PC. I guess I spoke without knowing on that part...
Yes, but it's not particularly effective or anything.
Basically, the iTunes software only supports putting music onto the iPod, not taking it back off onto the computer.
But the iPod interfaces to the computer as a standard mass storage device, no drivers needed. A service gets installed with iTunes that will recognize when the iPod device appears (you plug it in) and it will give iTunes a kick to cause it to autosynchronize and such, and then it will unmount the iPod afterwards, but that service and iTunes isn't actually necessary to see the iPod as a mass storage device.
The main protections are:
1. Hidden directory for all the music/config files (attrib +H, sort of thing)
2. Music gets sorted into 20-50 randomly chosen directories, with no obvious ordering mechanism. This is actually done for technical reasons relating to the FAT file system, but it makes it more difficult to find a particular song, sort of thing. However, it doesn't rename the tunes, so a simple filename search is effective. Or copy the whole mess over and sort it out using any mass MP3 renamer/organizer.
Beyond that, it has no real protection at all.
- Give a man a fire and he's warm for a day, but set him on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life.
You rock. As a language nerd, I appreciate your contribution :)
However, Ethnologue lists 48(!) Romance/Italic languages. A quick check found that these also have over a million speakers each:
As an American, I find that simply amazing. Sure, a US Midwesterner and an Aussie are gonna have some vocabulary issues, but it's very much the same language. Imagine speaking one language in your state/province, but another (related one) to relate to the rest of your country. The Germanic-speaking portions of Europe are like this too.
Back on topic, sort of. One theory is that it's U2's fourteenth album. Or we can just assume Bono is dumb. :)
It should in Canada, we have a blank media levy, which wouldn't apply to the preloaded iPods. (It does apply to the blank iPods)
" iPod mini price includes CPCC's Blank Media Levy: $15"
... or Ebony
Sable?
Midnight?
Something hip and cool, but not quite black?
Ah: "P-Diddy!"
"Creativity is allowing ones self to make mistakes. Art is knowing which ones to keep" - Scott Adams
haha
It is if you're getting info off an Apple press release...
And if you want to roll your own, then look no further than here: http://otto.homedns.org:8888/iTunes/iPodDB.zip
:)
It's a set of c++ classes that implement the binary format of the iTunesDB. It's not optimized, it's a bit slow, and it's a memory hog from hell, but it's also very instructive in making a DIY project if you want.
It's written for Windows and the foo_pod plugin for Foobar 2000, but it should be easy to port over to Linux or what have you.
I wrote it mainly to get something going with regards to development for the iPod, and Aero picked it up to develop the foo_pod plugin with, along with greatly helping me flesh it out and support everything. I can say, without any doubt, that it supports more of the iPod functionality and capability than anything else on Windows, with the exception of iTunes (and it beats iTunes in some minor respects).
Probably not totally useful to use as is (although it does work perfectly), but as a reference code, it's wonderful. By organizing the various atoms in the iTunesDB file into separate classes and so on, it builds a copy of the tree structure in memory using objects, which makes it easy to figure out how the file is laid out and how to use it properly, if you want to do so. Supports all known fields in the iTunesDB, supports OTGPlaylists, EQSettings, PlayCounts file, everything.
Just thought I'd throw a plug in for it. It's BSD licensed, so go nuts. The more software that supports my iPod, the happier it makes me.
And check out the foo_pod plugin for Foobar 2000. Excellent tool. Beats iTunes up down and sideways.
- Give a man a fire and he's warm for a day, but set him on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life.
...from the commercials. These people are jumping and gyrating all over the place, and their white apple headphones are staying in their ears. What's wrong with this picture. Those of you who have an ipod know.
Hmm, let's see. How about Aerosmith, Van Halen, and Rush? All still active but waaaaaaaay past their prime. Ooh, or how's this? Ratt, Poison, and Scorpions. Bwahahahaha!!! :)
iTunes stores album art images (or a different image, if you prefer) with the info tags of each song, and songs downloaded from the iTunes Music Store have the album art attached by default.
As soon as color screens are cheap enough, you can bet that there will be a new generation of iPods which display the album art for the currently-playing song.
Information wants to be anthropomorphized.
It's black too. No wait now its white. No wait now its blue. No wait now its red..............Bad thing is it plays the same tune over and over and over again.