Yeah, but the ease of updating and ablility to scale makes the initial investment worth while. When working at a large company it can be quite a hassel to update a client/application on every computer.
It is actually pretty easy to create tree strucures using the CSS Display property and simple javascript commands. It also allows for more complex trees that contain text,radio or other user input. We use them all the time in PHP and ASPX, and they are a great way to create compact interfaces.
I have always thought that while web applications are harder to implement they usually pay off in the long run, since they are easier to update and (for the most part) side-step any OS compatability issues.
Of course I'm a web programmer, so my opinion might be bias:-)
Just wondering why you wanted to get away from the web interface?
If done correctly, isn't a web interface much better then a client/app, since it provides a single interface that works on all operating systems and from all locations?
I transfered from At&t to T-Mobile because of their cheap data plans, and after waiting 6 days with no responce I called their specialty group, and after waiting 2 hours on hold they said they had no record of the porting request!
They started the process again and what do you know: 1 hour later my phone starts working, and 12 hours later the number ports just fine!
Just goes to show make sure you are talking to someone who knows what they are doing. The first time I called in to have it changed I got a newbie, probably recently hired to help cover the rush of calls.
Yeah, but is $80 a month worth the 70-120kb connection? I have T-mobile phone and internet serves, with plenty of talk time and unlimited internet (56kb) for only $50/month. If you do not want phone service the internet runs for $30/month unlimited.
Glad to hear the service works as advertised. I just switched to T-mobile with the Sony T610 for the same reason: Unlimited 56k internet over bluetooth for $20 a month.
Only thing is my number has not been released by AT&T yet so I cannot try it out:-(
How? Just changed to t-mobile for the $20 internet service add on, how do you us it without the additional service?
Re:Not a programming language?
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Hmm, lets see what the dictionary says-
Universal: Applicable or common to all purposes, conditions, or situations. (think universal remote)
DATA: Numerical or other information. (think numbers/text/records/quotes/sales...)
Structure: The way in which parts are arranged or put together to form a whole. (think layout, format, framing)
Interface: A boundary across which two systems communicate. (more difficult, but think of "communicate" as transfering data)
So Universal DATA Structure Interface is:
A common (Universal) way in which numerical or other information (DATA) can be arranged (format/layout/structure) to "communicate" (interface) with other systems.
Re:L is for Lousy...
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>And config files, simpler parsing like 'property=value' is easier and faster. A Gnome config file that has 4 tags, and 1 tag had 80! attributes is just stupid. Yet this is how people use XML.
There are many cases where a simple property=value is much better then full scale XML, but when used correctly XML can be much more efficient.
Take your everyday INI file, containing simple property=value strings. Sure it works, but all those properties have other information as well such as a description, data type, valid parameters, default settings... you get the point.
Try adding that into an INI file and you will end up with a mess. XML can be used to incorporate all the additional information into one file and in doing so program configuration user interfaces can be dynamically created.
Most programs add and remove features with every release and it is convenient to store settings in an XML file so that interfaces to those settings can be dynamically generated. Simply populate a list box or table with the name/value property pairs, have a text area display the description for a selected property, and have input data validated to the corresponding input parameters and data type.
It might take longer to plan, but if implemented correctly it can save time and confusion. In the end, it will be a larger file, but if done correctly that data actually means something!
Re:Not a programming language?
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It really should be an OS or background Application. Try StrokeIt for one day and you will never turn back. Expecially with dual monitors, where you can basicly "throw" windows from one screen to the other and max/min/close all or single windows with one stroke.
Other useful global features are C for close (Killing popups with one stroke of the hand:-), N for new, Back/Forward commands, and alt-tab like window switching. It even supports userdefined actions with keystrokes: Switch to or open a program or file folder, cut/copy/paste, Set/unset always on top for ANY WINDOW (Very nice) and my favorite:
Highlight any text, draw an S on top of it and have a Google search pop up for that term!!!
search {
gesture = S
New browser = osd, OSD "Google" "2000" "50" "@Arial Unicode MS" "0" "255" "0" "1" "0"
copy = keys, keys [CTRL_DOWN]c[CTRL_UP]
Google = exec, web "about:blank"
activate = win, activate "IEFrame" "about:blank - Microsoft Internet Explorer" "" "1000"
goto google = keys, keys [ALT_DOWN]d[ALT_UP]http://www.google.com/search?q= [CTRL_DOWN]v[CTRL_UP][ENTER] }
>"Your copyright protection didn't work. Neither did the mouse button I use to open links in a new window. One of these things can be easily fixed."
Thats why God invented Shift-Click
Question: What business do cities have in getting to the telecommunications industry?
Public agencies have always had a responsibility to see that vital public infrastructure--roads, bridges, water lines, sewers, airports, and (in many cases) energy--is developed and maintained for the good of the community. The private sector relies on this infrastructure to haul the goods and transport the passengers. The municipalities that comprise UTOPIA see wholesale telecommunications infrastructure in the same light. The cities will not sign up the customers for telephony, video, or data services, they will merely provide an open public infrastructure over which the retail providers of these services will be able to reach their customers.
Question: How does UTOPIA plan to finance the network?
The UTOPIA business case indicates that wholesale usage fees, charged to service providers based on their use of the network, will generate enough revenue to pay the capital investment costs, operating expenses, and debt service obligations associated with building and maintaing the network. No taxpayer money will be needed. However, in order to secure a competitive interest rate on the bonds that UTOPIA will issue to cover the cost of network construction, member cities may pledge to guarantee some of the debt.
Question: What services will be available over the UTOPIA network?
The initial offerings by UTOPIA's service providers will include broadcast video, telephone, and Internet access. In time, other services are likely to include high definition video, video on demand (renting movies to watch at you leisure without going to the video store), expanded home security, telemedicine (including always on medical monitoring), interactive (real time video) distance learning, high quality graphics video gaming with competitors around the world, telework (real time collaboration with team members using video conferencing and instant file sharing capabilities), and full screen video phone service.
Also of note:
The UTOPIA network is based on a layer 2, multi-protocol label switching (MPLS) active electronics architecture. In the open systems interconnect (OSI) model, layer 2 deals with the least complex dimensions of digital services delivery to minimize the interface between service providers and the network. An active electronics design (where neighborhood cabinets contain powered switching devices) makes it possible for the network to scale more inexpensively than the alternative passive design (where optical cables pass signals down the line through unpowered splits in neighborhood cabinets) and supports remote provisioning of services when customers change providers or choose product upgrades. The UTOPIA system will include both the access portal that decodes optical signals at the side of the premises into the signals that telephones, televisions, audio systems, and computers can use, and the video gateways that manage video content at the television set. This design makes it possible to support flexible customer service without requiring a truck roll every time the customer makes a change in the services requested.
The telecommunications industry has not deployed the infrastructure improvements that are essential for delivering advanced telecommunications services such as telemedicine, telework, video on demand, full motion bi-directional video phone, and similar products. Digital subscriber line services (DSL), cable modems, wireless service, and satellite service all lack the bi-directional bandwidth that these services require.
UTOPIA will address this problem by deploying a fiber to the home (FTTH) network with a minimum capacity of 1 Mbps in both directions. This bandwidth will make it possible for service providers using the UTOPIA network to deliver dramatically higher quality services and to launch innovative new services that existing networks cannot support. Since the carrying capacity of fiber plant can be increased by simply changing the electronics at the ends of the network, the UTOPIA network will have a long useful life in spite of technological change.
Face it, fiber optics are the future, they are inevitable. Sure DSL and cable may work for the next few years, but they still limit the potential of digital distribution systems. And this would not only be for Internet service, since fiber optics can support VoIP and HDTV programming as well which are "for the common good". It also opens the door for other services we cannot even imagine.
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Yeah, but the ease of updating and ablility to scale makes the initial investment worth while. When working at a large company it can be quite a hassel to update a client/application on every computer.
It is actually pretty easy to create tree strucures using the CSS Display property and simple javascript commands. It also allows for more complex trees that contain text,radio or other user input. We use them all the time in PHP and ASPX, and they are a great way to create compact interfaces.
:-)
I have always thought that while web applications are harder to implement they usually pay off in the long run, since they are easier to update and (for the most part) side-step any OS compatability issues.
Of course I'm a web programmer, so my opinion might be bias
Just wondering why you wanted to get away from the web interface? If done correctly, isn't a web interface much better then a client/app, since it provides a single interface that works on all operating systems and from all locations?
Well everyone knows nobody actually RTFA!
This has been up for 5 mins and there arent any comments yet!!
PREACH IT BROTHA!!!
thanks
I transfered from At&t to T-Mobile because of their cheap data plans, and after waiting 6 days with no responce I called their specialty group, and after waiting 2 hours on hold they said they had no record of the porting request!
They started the process again and what do you know: 1 hour later my phone starts working, and 12 hours later the number ports just fine!
Just goes to show make sure you are talking to someone who knows what they are doing. The first time I called in to have it changed I got a newbie, probably recently hired to help cover the rush of calls.
UT stands for Utah... I'm in Salt Lake City
Yeah, but is $80 a month worth the 70-120kb connection? I have T-mobile phone and internet serves, with plenty of talk time and unlimited internet (56kb) for only $50/month. If you do not want phone service the internet runs for $30/month unlimited.
Glad to hear the service works as advertised. I just switched to T-mobile with the Sony T610 for the same reason: Unlimited 56k internet over bluetooth for $20 a month. Only thing is my number has not been released by AT&T yet so I cannot try it out :-(
How? Just changed to t-mobile for the $20 internet service add on, how do you us it without the additional service?
Hmm, lets see what the dictionary says-
Universal:
Applicable or common to all purposes, conditions, or situations. (think universal remote)
DATA:
Numerical or other information. (think numbers/text/records/quotes/sales...)
Structure:
The way in which parts are arranged or put together to form a whole. (think layout, format, framing)
Interface:
A boundary across which two systems communicate. (more difficult, but think of "communicate" as transfering data)
So Universal DATA Structure Interface is:
A common (Universal) way in which numerical or other information (DATA) can be arranged (format/layout/structure) to "communicate" (interface) with other systems.
>And config files, simpler parsing like 'property=value' is easier and faster.
A Gnome config file that has 4 tags, and 1 tag had 80! attributes is just stupid. Yet this is how people use XML.
There are many cases where a simple property=value is much better then full scale XML, but when used correctly XML can be much more efficient.
Take your everyday INI file, containing simple property=value strings. Sure it works, but all those properties have other information as well such as a description, data type, valid parameters, default settings... you get the point.
Try adding that into an INI file and you will end up with a mess. XML can be used to incorporate all the additional information into one file and in doing so program configuration user interfaces can be dynamically created.
Most programs add and remove features with every release and it is convenient to store settings in an XML file so that interfaces to those settings can be dynamically generated. Simply populate a list box or table with the name/value property pairs, have a text area display the description for a selected property, and have input data validated to the corresponding input parameters and data type.
It might take longer to plan, but if implemented correctly it can save time and confusion. In the end, it will be a larger file, but if done correctly that data actually means something!
Universal Data Structure Interface
I'm still waiting for UTOPIA which hopes to provide a wholesale network that provide FTTH services without using TAX money!!!.
It really should be an OS or background Application. Try StrokeIt for one day and you will never turn back. Expecially with dual monitors, where you can basicly "throw" windows from one screen to the other and max/min/close all or single windows with one stroke.
:-), N for new, Back/Forward commands, and alt-tab like window switching. It even supports userdefined actions with keystrokes: Switch to or open a program or file folder, cut/copy/paste, Set/unset always on top for ANY WINDOW (Very nice) and my favorite:
= [CTRL_DOWN]v[CTRL_UP][ENTER]
Other useful global features are C for close (Killing popups with one stroke of the hand
Highlight any text, draw an S on top of it and have a Google search pop up for that term!!!
search {
gesture = S
New browser = osd, OSD "Google" "2000" "50" "@Arial Unicode MS" "0" "255" "0" "1" "0"
copy = keys, keys [CTRL_DOWN]c[CTRL_UP]
Google = exec, web "about:blank"
activate = win, activate "IEFrame" "about:blank - Microsoft Internet Explorer" "" "1000"
goto google = keys, keys [ALT_DOWN]d[ALT_UP]http://www.google.com/search?q
}
>"Your copyright protection didn't work. Neither did the mouse button I use to open links in a new window. One of these things can be easily fixed." Thats why God invented Shift-Click
http://www.utopianet.org/faq.php
Question: What business do cities have in getting to the telecommunications industry?
Public agencies have always had a responsibility to see that vital public infrastructure--roads, bridges, water lines, sewers, airports, and (in many cases) energy--is developed and maintained for the good of the community. The private sector relies on this infrastructure to haul the goods and transport the passengers. The municipalities that comprise UTOPIA see wholesale telecommunications infrastructure in the same light. The cities will not sign up the customers for telephony, video, or data services, they will merely provide an open public infrastructure over which the retail providers of these services will be able to reach their customers.
Question: How does UTOPIA plan to finance the network?
The UTOPIA business case indicates that wholesale usage fees, charged to service providers based on their use of the network, will generate enough revenue to pay the capital investment costs, operating expenses, and debt service obligations associated with building and maintaing the network. No taxpayer money will be needed. However, in order to secure a competitive interest rate on the bonds that UTOPIA will issue to cover the cost of network construction, member cities may pledge to guarantee some of the debt.
Question: What services will be available over the UTOPIA network?
The initial offerings by UTOPIA's service providers will include broadcast video, telephone, and Internet access. In time, other services are likely to include high definition video, video on demand (renting movies to watch at you leisure without going to the video store), expanded home security, telemedicine (including always on medical monitoring), interactive (real time video) distance learning, high quality graphics video gaming with competitors around the world, telework (real time collaboration with team members using video conferencing and instant file sharing capabilities), and full screen video phone service.
Also of note:
The UTOPIA network is based on a layer 2, multi-protocol label switching (MPLS) active electronics architecture. In the open systems interconnect (OSI) model, layer 2 deals with the least complex dimensions of digital services delivery to minimize the interface between service providers and the network. An active electronics design (where neighborhood cabinets contain powered switching devices) makes it possible for the network to scale more inexpensively than the alternative passive design (where optical cables pass signals down the line through unpowered splits in neighborhood cabinets) and supports remote provisioning of services when customers change providers or choose product upgrades. The UTOPIA system will include both the access portal that decodes optical signals at the side of the premises into the signals that telephones, televisions, audio systems, and computers can use, and the video gateways that manage video content at the television set. This design makes it possible to support flexible customer service without requiring a truck roll every time the customer makes a change in the services requested.
The telecommunications industry has not deployed the infrastructure improvements that are essential for delivering advanced telecommunications services such as telemedicine, telework, video on demand, full motion bi-directional video phone, and similar products. Digital subscriber line services (DSL), cable modems, wireless service, and satellite service all lack the bi-directional bandwidth that these services require.
UTOPIA will address this problem by deploying a fiber to the home (FTTH) network with a minimum capacity of 1 Mbps in both directions. This bandwidth will make it possible for service providers using the UTOPIA network to deliver dramatically higher quality services and to launch innovative new services that existing networks cannot support. Since the carrying capacity of fiber plant can be increased by simply changing the electronics at the ends of the network, the UTOPIA network will have a long useful life in spite of technological change.
Thats why the rest of us non-MOs have to settle for watching pron!
Well, have you ever actually BEEN to Utah?
Face it, fiber optics are the future, they are inevitable. Sure DSL and cable may work for the next few years, but they still limit the potential of digital distribution systems. And this would not only be for Internet service, since fiber optics can support VoIP and HDTV programming as well which are "for the common good". It also opens the door for other services we cannot even imagine.