"[E]ven though the realms of religion and science in themselves are clearly marked off from each other" there are "strong reciprocal relationships and dependencies ⦠science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind ⦠a legitimate conflict between science and religion cannot exist." In Einstein's view, "neither the rule of human nor Divine Will exists as an independent cause of natural events. To be sure, the doctrine of a personal God interfering with natural events could never be refuted ⦠by science, for [it] can always take refuge in those domains in which scientific knowledge has not yet been able to set foot."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einstein
You didn't prove that you have love for other people like I asked. Outward behavior isn't undeniable proof of love. Outward behavior is a strong indication, but it isn't necessarily fact. Likewise, you cannot undeniably prove that somebody loves you. You can have faith, and hope, and reciprocal love.
I asked you to prove that your mother loves you. I have faith that she does - almost to the extent that I could say I know she does. But it is unprovable. You could say that all of the things she has done for you are indication of her love for you. Anyone else could argue that they are incidental things without any relation to love. Nobody has proved either way that she actually really does. Does that matter? No. You feel that she does. Does it have to be provable to be worth it? We still feel sorry for those who aren't able to feel true deep feelings of love.
Any argument I or anybody else brings up as to the existence of God will not be provable externally. To you anything I may say would count as incidental and without relation to God. I don't really mind. I have seen outward behavior from God towards me that make me feel that He is there. I don't care that it isn't provable to you. But I do feel sorry for those who aren't able to feel deep feelings of belief.
Does your mother love you? If not, I'm sorry for you. If so, prove it.
Do you feel love for other people? If not, I'm sorry for you. If so, prove it.
Do I believe in the concept of Love? You could try to prove to me that love is not anything more than a chemical induced state of euphoria. I don't care. I wouldn't believe it. Love is very real to me.
Some people who have been abused would have a very hard time believing that Love is real. You could even say they were Love atheist. Does that make Love any less real. Hardly.
Most people's belief in God is as real as their belief in Love but just as unprovable. Sort of funny when you then hear the scripture that "God is love." Talking about God is very abstract. So is talking about Love.
I am open to any and all reasonable arguments...
Liar. You have preconceived dispositions that imbue you with a great degree of bias. Your learning in your first few years of college has made you the jack-of-all-trades and master-of-none. My argument was easy and reasonable - learn the principles of Mormonism using the scientific method (this is how they are taught actually - engaging the learner to actually use scientific reasoning). Your problem is that your set of senses and feelings are currently not tuned to detect things which are hoped for but not seen. I don't think this makes you irrational, but it still makes you ignorant.
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You didn't prove that you have love for other people like I asked. Outward behavior isn't undeniable proof of love. Outward behavior is a strong indication, but it isn't necessarily fact. Likewise, you cannot undeniably prove that somebody loves you. You can have faith, and hope, and reciprocal love.
I asked you to prove that your mother loves you. I have faith that she does - almost to the extent that I could say I know she does. But it is unprovable. You could say that all of the things she has done for you are indication of her love for you. Anyone else could argue that they are incidental things without any relation to love. Nobody has proved either way that she actually really does. Does that matter? No. You feel that she does. Does it have to be provable to be worth it? We still feel sorry for those who aren't able to feel true deep feelings of love.
Any argument I or anybody else brings up as to the existence of God will not be provable externally. To you anything I may say would count as incidental and without relation to God. I don't really mind. I have seen outward behavior from God towards me that make me feel that He is there. I don't care that it isn't provable to you. But I do feel sorry for those who aren't able to feel deep feelings of belief.
Do you feel love for other people? If not, I'm sorry for you. If so, prove it.
Do I believe in the concept of Love? You could try to prove to me that love is not anything more than a chemical induced state of euphoria. I don't care. I wouldn't believe it. Love is very real to me.
Some people who have been abused would have a very hard time believing that Love is real. You could even say they were Love atheist. Does that make Love any less real. Hardly.
Most people's belief in God is as real as their belief in Love but just as unprovable. Sort of funny when you then hear the scripture that "God is love." Talking about God is very abstract. So is talking about Love. Liar. You have preconceived dispositions that imbue you with a great degree of bias. Your learning in your first few years of college has made you the jack-of-all-trades and master-of-none. My argument was easy and reasonable - learn the principles of Mormonism using the scientific method (this is how they are taught actually - engaging the learner to actually use scientific reasoning). Your problem is that your set of senses and feelings are currently not tuned to detect things which are hoped for but not seen. I don't think this makes you irrational, but it still makes you ignorant.