So it's a basic flaw within the US elections system that grinds towards deadlock at 2 parties? Sounds like something that needs to be fixed.
I don't accept voting against Bush purely to vote against Bush as any beneficial solution, since it doesn't directly speak to the candidate. There is always a third-party.
Coalition governments. Try reading about them. You'll see that law doesn't apply, except in your two-party system.
And if you didn't realize it, Gore is not a solution. Tipper Gore went after music in the 1980s, saying that everyone should listen to U2 -- it would make the world a better place to do that. The Gore family has been doing a lot of evil. Jello Biafra spoke at length about it. Go get an update on Alternative Tentacles.
Don't believe the lies about Gore, he's just as bad as Bush.
I should also mention that I've yet to find a store in the city that sells laptops without Windows. Perhaps you should find a brick and mortar store, since the shipping + duty for any machine from the US (assuming I do not somehow manage to have you smuggle me such a machine) would be more than enough for me to move to Hawaii on.
"Here's the deal, Ino. You clearly hold to a value system at odds with mine. You think that my use of "M$" as a reference to Microsoft is in some way a put-down, when it's not."
No, I just think it's something only a 14-year-old would do. They have a proper name. Using M$ instead of MS or Microsoft is like writing C U L8R instead of see you later. The moment you try and talk to me seriously that way, I just get a picture of you cosplaying some TNG character.
"You also believe that intellectual property should not be privatized, but instead offered free to all."
No, I don't. I never even said that.
Read these sentences: I tried to buy a computer without Windows. If there is a market demand for it, Toshiba should be selling them without Windows. I demanded such a laptop, but was unable to find one. Why, when I was willing to pay for one, is this possible?
That is what I have been trying to get across to you. Feel free to replicate my experiment any time to verify how you can't buy a laptop without Windows, even though people will pay for them!
But I'll give you congratulations for this conversation. Not only do you not have an understanding of what is going on in my head, you're so set on proving you're right to someone who doesn't care (that'd be me), that you'll misinterpret what I wrote to twist it towards your own ends.
"It seems to have happened with Nokia's 5510 MP3 phone, introduced last fall amid much trumpeting. The phone, which allows users to listen to FM radio and play MP3s, has proved too bulky and too expensive, and Nokia is quietly pulling it off the market. (Nokia officials concede that the phone is a disappointment but won't elaborate.)"
" Pareto efficient economy, monopolists must be heavily regulated. Microsoft however, just doesn't fit the bill. "
Go read the findings of fact. Judge Jackson found them to be a monopoly. Monopolies do exist without the explicit permission of a government (Standard Oil). The market is best served by innovation based around a set of of open standards (IEE1284, for example, and the printer companies). MS uses the fact that it is a monopoly to leverage their proprietary standards, forcing all companies to kow-tow to them, rather than finding the natural market balance. Once one company has enough power to dictate what the market does on such a level, it is a monopoly. Just like Sasktel, who dictates exactly how much internet access costs in Saskatchewan.
X11 performs well on my Maxine, a 25Mhz R3000 processor. It's not the CPU that makes the performance, it's the video card and how well written the driver is.
Most XFree86 drivers aren't as good as they could be. But that's obvious to most people.
If you haven't noticed the trend in computer science, it's that we trade performance for managability. C over assembler, C++ over C, Java over C++, etc. I'd rather have more logical overhead that freeping creaturism on the part of my X server.
Have you taken Economics at all? A monopoly is a special case. There are certain rules that monopolies need follow, that do not apply to normal busineses. Note how I do not complain about Apple, because they are not a monopoly.
Why should they have to have a complete separate OEM and computer configuration when you only want the hardware sans OS?
Oh, because Microsoft is a monopoly and abusing its monopoly powers. Government regulations exist to curb these anti-competitive behaviours, because they hurt the economy.
You can't get a laptop unbundled from Windows (or at least, you couldn't for many years). What are your choices? Well, you can use a Macintosh laptop (great if your task works there), but the fact is that Microsoft is a monopoly. They shouldn't legally be able to remove choice to the point where I can't not get Windows on an x86-based laptop.
When I try to buy a laptop, and find out there is no "unbundled" option for that laptop.
Imagine if you tried to buy a portable CD player. Rather than buying just the CD player for 100$ or so, you have to pay 115$ for it and 2 Backstreet boys CDs (a savings of 15$!). You try and tell them that you don't want the Backstreet boys CDs, because you have a collection of your own music to listen.
"We can't, sir. It's bundled. It represents a savings to you anyways, so you are getting a good value. Since every player is sold with CDs, only people who are commiting music piracy would have music separate from the players anyways."
But the thing is, I'm paying for something I don't want and won't use. If I disagree with the licence and try to return Windows for the money I paid for it as a bundle price, I end up having to deal with the retailer, OEM, and Microsoft all pointing fingers at each other. "Talk to them, they're the ones who should give you your money."
Microsoft gets my money without my consent. This is robery -- they are stealing from me.
Over at the U of S computer science department, you learn (if you don't already know them) Java, Eiffel, C, C++, Prolog, MIPS Assembler, OS design, UNIX systems programming, etc. Take a skim through the class descriptions.
Considering we're such a podunk town, I find it hard to believe you can't find something as good or better than it.
"or 3rd person, which gives pretty good periphieral vision, but then makes lining up a jump a real pain"
Actually, with 3rd person I can usually get the above-head, looking down shot that I can't get with 1st person (where I look down, and try to land when the platform just sinks out of view so it'll be under my virtual feet). Any 1st person game I've played that has required special jumping tricks has always ended up being thrown away in disgust. 2D are much easier to line up the landings on, and 3rd person is the closest you can get to a fixed plain (straight down, an easy line-up).
Greedy megacorps that are unregulated will rip customers off in exchange for higher profits. Unbound by regular control methods (competition, governmen-set rules), these monsters rape and pillage in a fashion similar to the Vikings that plagued England 1,000 years ago.
Lines of code has everything to do with ease of programmer replacment, maintenance costs, and flexibility.
This is about being able to replace your programmers easily if one of them is a pompous ass, being able to move the code base around and adapt it quickly if your OS provider is a pompous ass, and being able to keep maintenance costs down because the overal structure is smaller.
I consider how most use them to be deprecated.
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You should accomplish your layout with DIVs. Tables are supposed to be meta-containers, not exact-layout positioning tools.
You have to have a layout layer. That is the HTML page (with help from CSS). Into the HTML page you place your widgets. Be they text labels (IE: text which is variant), buttons, etc. You build them programatically and place them into your page layout.
The same thing happens in programs on your desktop. There is a Glade XML file which describes the look and layout of variables. Into this you place your variables, be they text or controls.
Something like the person I was repyling to asked about would be like a custom control. You place the output into the page, and all apears well. Want to change how the entire page looks? Change the CSS. Want to change how the control is logically designed? Then you change the program logic
You don't sound like you understand how stylesheets work. They take care of practically the entire presentation layer. Consider, for example, my changelog. Look at it in Mozilla. Now, choose View -> Use Style -> {pick one}. Note how the entire look of the page changes. That is CSS. The general layout of the page is accomplished via common CSS markup positions (view the basic page style to see it "stripped"). The calendar is a good example of an HTML custom control. Certaintly, the logic of how the control work is tied a little bit to its layout, because it wouldn't make sense for a calendar to look any other way. But it's not married to that specific page layout, which is what the original poster was asking about.
Uhm.. you merely collect your results in a variable. It's very simple.
1) You load your template. 2) You set your variable array up..
In your case, you add $variables["searchtable"] =.. loop from db. 3) You ereg_replace based on $variables key/value (where the %%key%% is replaced with value).
Viola! Assuming your CSS is ok, you have a complete section of code whose presentation is controlled via CSS, and is inserted into your document when the rest of its variables are populated.
You should also be using divs and spans over tables. Tables are deprecated.
I thought they were reducing man hours..
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If you're moving to PHP, you could do well to start with a small core of senior programmers who set standards for variables. Using pair programming, programmers could always review each others' code throughout the work week. Additionally, checks can be made to ensure that on check in to the central repository, the code being handed to them is pure HTML (if it is an HTML template being checked in).
With the apropos methodology and a little discipline, it shouldn't be hard to firmly establish the One way to do it in PHP.
Lack of understand of how PHP works?
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"The drawback of using a code in template system, is that your code and HTML output quickly become forever intertwined."
You see, the funny part here is that I write PHP, and I do not intermingle my XHTML and PHP at all.
How does it work? Very simply! Your request handler parses the request, reads in any cookies, sets and changes, reads in the template from disk or cache, fills in the new variables, and pushes it to the client.
Look, mah, no PHP/XHTML mingling! You move from a "myFirstPHP" model of HTML with PHP shoved in, to a proper model of a complete HTML document produced in anything with %%variables%% strewn throughout which are replaced at runtime by the PHP engine. With this separation of application logic and appearance, you get all the benefits of PHP with all the benefits of a separate interface code level (.NET WebForms does something similar, and Perl can easily do this too).
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So it's a basic flaw within the US elections system that grinds towards deadlock at 2 parties? Sounds like something that needs to be fixed.
I don't accept voting against Bush purely to vote against Bush as any beneficial solution, since it doesn't directly speak to the candidate. There is always a third-party.
NDP, Liberal, etc..
Coalition governments. Try reading about them. You'll see that law doesn't apply, except in your two-party system.
And if you didn't realize it, Gore is not a solution. Tipper Gore went after music in the 1980s, saying that everyone should listen to U2 -- it would make the world a better place to do that. The Gore family has been doing a lot of evil. Jello Biafra spoke at length about it. Go get an update on Alternative Tentacles.
Don't believe the lies about Gore, he's just as bad as Bush.
They add on enough to make it cheaper to drive down to the US, because I would be charged 14% taxes ontop of any fees.
Throw your vote away on a first-party candidate.
The only real change in the system will come about if people vote third party.
Unfortunately.
I should also mention that I've yet to find a store in the city that sells laptops without Windows. Perhaps you should find a brick and mortar store, since the shipping + duty for any machine from the US (assuming I do not somehow manage to have you smuggle me such a machine) would be more than enough for me to move to Hawaii on.
"Here's the deal, Ino. You clearly hold to a value system at odds with mine. You think that my use of "M$" as a reference to Microsoft is in some way a put-down, when it's not."
No, I just think it's something only a 14-year-old would do. They have a proper name. Using M$ instead of MS or Microsoft is like writing C U L8R instead of see you later. The moment you try and talk to me seriously that way, I just get a picture of you cosplaying some TNG character.
"You also believe that intellectual property should not be privatized, but instead offered free to all."
No, I don't. I never even said that.
Read these sentences:
I tried to buy a computer without Windows. If there is a market demand for it, Toshiba should be selling them without Windows. I demanded such a laptop, but was unable to find one. Why, when I was willing to pay for one, is this possible?
That is what I have been trying to get across to you. Feel free to replicate my experiment any time to verify how you can't buy a laptop without Windows, even though people will pay for them!
But I'll give you congratulations for this conversation. Not only do you not have an understanding of what is going on in my head, you're so set on proving you're right to someone who doesn't care (that'd be me), that you'll misinterpret what I wrote to twist it towards your own ends.
"It seems to have happened with Nokia's 5510 MP3 phone, introduced last fall amid much trumpeting. The phone, which allows users to listen to FM radio and play MP3s, has proved too bulky and too expensive, and Nokia is quietly pulling it off the market. (Nokia officials concede that the phone is a disappointment but won't elaborate.)"
" Pareto efficient economy, monopolists must be heavily regulated. Microsoft however, just doesn't fit the bill. "
Go read the findings of fact. Judge Jackson found them to be a monopoly. Monopolies do exist without the explicit permission of a government (Standard Oil). The market is best served by innovation based around a set of of open standards (IEE1284, for example, and the printer companies). MS uses the fact that it is a monopoly to leverage their proprietary standards, forcing all companies to kow-tow to them, rather than finding the natural market balance. Once one company has enough power to dictate what the market does on such a level, it is a monopoly. Just like Sasktel, who dictates exactly how much internet access costs in Saskatchewan.
By abreviating MS as "M$" you make my case.
X11 performs well on my Maxine, a 25Mhz R3000 processor. It's not the CPU that makes the performance, it's the video card and how well written the driver is.
Most XFree86 drivers aren't as good as they could be. But that's obvious to most people.
If you haven't noticed the trend in computer science, it's that we trade performance for managability. C over assembler, C++ over C, Java over C++, etc. I'd rather have more logical overhead that freeping creaturism on the part of my X server.
Have you taken Economics at all? A monopoly is a special case. There are certain rules that monopolies need follow, that do not apply to normal busineses. Note how I do not complain about Apple, because they are not a monopoly.
Why should they have to have a complete separate OEM and computer configuration when you only want the hardware sans OS?
Oh, because Microsoft is a monopoly and abusing its monopoly powers. Government regulations exist to curb these anti-competitive behaviours, because they hurt the economy.
You can't get a laptop unbundled from Windows (or at least, you couldn't for many years). What are your choices? Well, you can use a Macintosh laptop (great if your task works there), but the fact is that Microsoft is a monopoly. They shouldn't legally be able to remove choice to the point where I can't not get Windows on an x86-based laptop.
When I try to buy a laptop, and find out there is no "unbundled" option for that laptop.
Imagine if you tried to buy a portable CD player. Rather than buying just the CD player for 100$ or so, you have to pay 115$ for it and 2 Backstreet boys CDs (a savings of 15$!). You try and tell them that you don't want the Backstreet boys CDs, because you have a collection of your own music to listen.
"We can't, sir. It's bundled. It represents a savings to you anyways, so you are getting a good value. Since every player is sold with CDs, only people who are commiting music piracy would have music separate from the players anyways."
But the thing is, I'm paying for something I don't want and won't use. If I disagree with the licence and try to return Windows for the money I paid for it as a bundle price, I end up having to deal with the retailer, OEM, and Microsoft all pointing fingers at each other. "Talk to them, they're the ones who should give you your money."
Microsoft gets my money without my consent. This is robery -- they are stealing from me.
"like the Final Fantasy Anthology for PS2"
It was for the PSX, actually.
Not in any useful matter.
Over at the U of S computer science department, you learn (if you don't already know them) Java, Eiffel, C, C++, Prolog, MIPS Assembler, OS design, UNIX systems programming, etc. Take a skim through the class descriptions.
Considering we're such a podunk town, I find it hard to believe you can't find something as good or better than it.
"or 3rd person, which gives pretty good periphieral vision, but then makes lining up a jump a real pain"
Actually, with 3rd person I can usually get the above-head, looking down shot that I can't get with 1st person (where I look down, and try to land when the platform just sinks out of view so it'll be under my virtual feet). Any 1st person game I've played that has required special jumping tricks has always ended up being thrown away in disgust. 2D are much easier to line up the landings on, and 3rd person is the closest you can get to a fixed plain (straight down, an easy line-up).
Greedy megacorps that are unregulated will rip customers off in exchange for higher profits. Unbound by regular control methods (competition, governmen-set rules), these monsters rape and pillage in a fashion similar to the Vikings that plagued England 1,000 years ago.
"Tables are deprecated" said by me implies that I think that tables are deprecated.
You're quite welcome to not agree with what I say, but don't try and change how I said things.
Lines of code has everything to do with ease of programmer replacment, maintenance costs, and flexibility.
This is about being able to replace your programmers easily if one of them is a pompous ass, being able to move the code base around and adapt it quickly if your OS provider is a pompous ass, and being able to keep maintenance costs down because the overal structure is smaller.
You should accomplish your layout with DIVs. Tables are supposed to be meta-containers, not exact-layout positioning tools.
You have to have a layout layer. That is the HTML page (with help from CSS). Into the HTML page you place your widgets. Be they text labels (IE: text which is variant), buttons, etc. You build them programatically and place them into your page layout.
The same thing happens in programs on your desktop. There is a Glade XML file which describes the look and layout of variables. Into this you place your variables, be they text or controls.
Something like the person I was repyling to asked about would be like a custom control. You place the output into the page, and all apears well. Want to change how the entire page looks? Change the CSS. Want to change how the control is logically designed? Then you change the program logic
You don't sound like you understand how stylesheets work. They take care of practically the entire presentation layer. Consider, for example, my changelog. Look at it in Mozilla. Now, choose View -> Use Style -> {pick one}. Note how the entire look of the page changes. That is CSS. The general layout of the page is accomplished via common CSS markup positions (view the basic page style to see it "stripped"). The calendar is a good example of an HTML custom control. Certaintly, the logic of how the control work is tied a little bit to its layout, because it wouldn't make sense for a calendar to look any other way. But it's not married to that specific page layout, which is what the original poster was asking about.
Uhm.. you merely collect your results in a variable. It's very simple.
.. loop from db.
.= "<div type=\"DbOut\">" .= $dbStuff; .= "</div>"
1) You load your template.
2) You set your variable array up..
In your case, you add $variables["searchtable"] =
3) You ereg_replace based on $variables key/value (where the %%key%% is replaced with value).
$stringDbOut
for()
{
$stringDbOut
}
$stringDbOut
Viola! Assuming your CSS is ok, you have a complete section of code whose presentation is controlled via CSS, and is inserted into your document when the rest of its variables are populated.
You should also be using divs and spans over tables. Tables are deprecated.
If you're moving to PHP, you could do well to start with a small core of senior programmers who set standards for variables. Using pair programming, programmers could always review each others' code throughout the work week. Additionally, checks can be made to ensure that on check in to the central repository, the code being handed to them is pure HTML (if it is an HTML template being checked in).
With the apropos methodology and a little discipline, it shouldn't be hard to firmly establish the One way to do it in PHP.
"The drawback of using a code in template system, is that your code and HTML output quickly become forever intertwined."
You see, the funny part here is that I write PHP, and I do not intermingle my XHTML and PHP at all.
How does it work? Very simply! Your request handler parses the request, reads in any cookies, sets and changes, reads in the template from disk or cache, fills in the new variables, and pushes it to the client.
Look, mah, no PHP/XHTML mingling! You move from a "myFirstPHP" model of HTML with PHP shoved in, to a proper model of a complete HTML document produced in anything with %%variables%% strewn throughout which are replaced at runtime by the PHP engine. With this separation of application logic and appearance, you get all the benefits of PHP with all the benefits of a separate interface code level (.NET WebForms does something similar, and Perl can easily do this too).