You can't tell me the fact that across the world minority conviction rates are higher for the same crimes because of anything but bigotry
Sure I can. Minorities tend to have less money. Money equates to access to good lawyers. Good lawyers tend to win more acquittals, even when their clients are obviously guilty as hell (e.g. OJ Simpson)
You can't be taken to jail for refusing the breath test. A breath test refusal is a civil offense, with civil penalties (fines and/or license suspension)
Australia and South Africa aren't part of the 'modernized' world?
Besides, I wasn't condoning this pricing practice. I was just pointing out the fact that the "I have a family, we need to use more" justification really wouldn't fly under a metered billing system for any other product, why should it fly for data?
My new TiVo box streams Netflix in HD when available. It seems to average around 5mbit/s for the duration of the program. That works out to ~2.2 gigabytes per hour of programming.
It's not really all that hard to exceed 20GB in this day and age. Looking back at my Cacti logs I seem to average around 55GB per month. And no, I don't download stuff for the sake of downloading it.
This gives them an unfair advantage over smaller companies.
Bigger companies have all sorts of advantages over smaller companies. Why is this particular advantage unfair in your mind? Would you object if a smaller ISP was offering breaks on additional services?
Bundling should not be allowed.
Why? Here in the states so-called "triple play" (phone/data/tv) packages are popular. You really think it would be to the benefit of society to force those consumers to pay more?
The problem is that you are a computer geek living by yourself. When you factor in the average family size of about 3 people, that 30GB usage of yours would be 90GB for a geeky family.
Well, if you buy into the notion that bits cost money, why shouldn't that family pay more? They pay for the increased electrical consumption of multiple people, why not the increased data consumption?
If it is better than what we have for false convictions than why prefer human prejudice/error over machine error.
Because one of the reasons we have a jury system is to provide a check and balance on the ability of the government to lock people up. Jury nullification may be a bad word in the modern legal system but it's still there.
The "We were only following orders" defense didn't work out so well for the last guys that used it.
Yes, because this is comparable to genocide....
It doesn't matter who told you to do it when you're breaking the law and you know it.
Is there a law against installing spyware on corporate/school district machines? It surely would have been a violation of the law to install said software on the students personal machines, but on school supplied machines?
What happens to the right to remain silent when it is there? The British have already gutted this right. Not that hard to envision the same happening here.....
Done right, the infrastructure itself should be put in place with as little unneccessary redundancy as possible and should be managed by a single, tightly controlled agency. This (like water, power and sewer) is the "natural monopoly" portion of the argument. Whereas the service that is supplied upon that media should be open to as many different and varied vendors as want access to the marketplace (dozens or even hundreds) in order to provide robust competition and therefore, the greatest benefit to the customer by way of traditional market forces.
We tried that in New York State with our power utilities. The local utility is called a "power delivery company" and you can buy power on the open market from "power supply companies". Guess what? We still pay the highest rates for electricity in the United States, outside of Hawaii......
as infrastructure of this kind is a natural monopoly.
Speak for yourself. I was involved in an enterprise that had the capital to run our own wires once upon a time. We weren't able to do so because of the franchise laws.
It would be as effective as removing the monopoly on interstates
There is no monopoly on roadways. There are lots of alternatives to the interstates. Some are even faster -- ever had the misfortune of driving down I-95 during tourist season?
No one wants 15 power companies competing to run power lines through your neighborhood
Except we aren't talking about power, are we? We are talking about internet access. There is no good reason why local government should prohibit would-be upstarts from leasing space on telephone poles that are already in place. Are you seriously claiming that those poles can't handle a fourth (or fifth for that matter...) wire?
Except that the FCC aren't politicians. They are bureaucrats whom aren't directly accountable to the people. Is it asking too much to think that the body charged under our Constitution with writing the laws of the land be the same one that decides whether or not the Federal Government should regulate internet services and in what manner?
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What is a necessary amount of porn?
The amount required to enable you to get off so that you can return to more productive pursuits? ;)
Maybe the Government shouldn't have given them that monopoly in the first place?
You can't tell me the fact that across the world minority conviction rates are higher for the same crimes because of anything but bigotry
Sure I can. Minorities tend to have less money. Money equates to access to good lawyers. Good lawyers tend to win more acquittals, even when their clients are obviously guilty as hell (e.g. OJ Simpson)
You can't be taken to jail for refusing the breath test. A breath test refusal is a civil offense, with civil penalties (fines and/or license suspension)
Australia and South Africa aren't part of the 'modernized' world?
Besides, I wasn't condoning this pricing practice. I was just pointing out the fact that the "I have a family, we need to use more" justification really wouldn't fly under a metered billing system for any other product, why should it fly for data?
If you are due to retire today and hold the bulk of your retirement savings in stocks then you deserve what's coming to you.....
Internet over sewer pipe?
My new TiVo box streams Netflix in HD when available. It seems to average around 5mbit/s for the duration of the program. That works out to ~2.2 gigabytes per hour of programming.
It's not really all that hard to exceed 20GB in this day and age. Looking back at my Cacti logs I seem to average around 55GB per month. And no, I don't download stuff for the sake of downloading it.
Uhm... the story is about Canada, which is not yet the 51st state (57th if you use our President's math.... ;)
This gives them an unfair advantage over smaller companies.
Bigger companies have all sorts of advantages over smaller companies. Why is this particular advantage unfair in your mind? Would you object if a smaller ISP was offering breaks on additional services?
Bundling should not be allowed.
Why? Here in the states so-called "triple play" (phone/data/tv) packages are popular. You really think it would be to the benefit of society to force those consumers to pay more?
The problem is that you are a computer geek living by yourself. When you factor in the average family size of about 3 people, that 30GB usage of yours would be 90GB for a geeky family.
Well, if you buy into the notion that bits cost money, why shouldn't that family pay more? They pay for the increased electrical consumption of multiple people, why not the increased data consumption?
Flamebait eh? Truth hurts, doesn't fanboys?
Eventually you'll wise up to the fact that power != internet service.
Yes, because railroads operate under the same economies of scale and have the same cost of doing business as internet service providers.....
If it is better than what we have for false convictions than why prefer human prejudice/error over machine error.
Because one of the reasons we have a jury system is to provide a check and balance on the ability of the government to lock people up. Jury nullification may be a bad word in the modern legal system but it's still there.
How can that be? Our current President promised not to support any bill containing telecom immunity......
The "We were only following orders" defense didn't work out so well for the last guys that used it.
Yes, because this is comparable to genocide....
It doesn't matter who told you to do it when you're breaking the law and you know it.
Is there a law against installing spyware on corporate/school district machines? It surely would have been a violation of the law to install said software on the students personal machines, but on school supplied machines?
Nice tech, but it's not there yet.
What happens to the right to remain silent when it is there? The British have already gutted this right. Not that hard to envision the same happening here.....
Done right, the infrastructure itself should be put in place with as little unneccessary redundancy as possible and should be managed by a single, tightly controlled agency. This (like water, power and sewer) is the "natural monopoly" portion of the argument. Whereas the service that is supplied upon that media should be open to as many different and varied vendors as want access to the marketplace (dozens or even hundreds) in order to provide robust competition and therefore, the greatest benefit to the customer by way of traditional market forces.
We tried that in New York State with our power utilities. The local utility is called a "power delivery company" and you can buy power on the open market from "power supply companies". Guess what? We still pay the highest rates for electricity in the United States, outside of Hawaii......
as infrastructure of this kind is a natural monopoly.
Speak for yourself. I was involved in an enterprise that had the capital to run our own wires once upon a time. We weren't able to do so because of the franchise laws.
It would be as effective as removing the monopoly on interstates
There is no monopoly on roadways. There are lots of alternatives to the interstates. Some are even faster -- ever had the misfortune of driving down I-95 during tourist season?
No one wants 15 power companies competing to run power lines through your neighborhood
Except we aren't talking about power, are we? We are talking about internet access. There is no good reason why local government should prohibit would-be upstarts from leasing space on telephone poles that are already in place. Are you seriously claiming that those poles can't handle a fourth (or fifth for that matter...) wire?
Times are tough in DC, so nothing like asking a ton of people to send as much money in as possible.
Well, Mr. Obama said he was going to find a way to make another economic stimulus happen.... ;)
The government ensures there is enough competition so that customers actually have a choice
Good idea. Let's start by ending the practice of government granting monopoly status to a single provider in exchange for monetary contributions...
Or said another way: they're just politicians
Except that the FCC aren't politicians. They are bureaucrats whom aren't directly accountable to the people. Is it asking too much to think that the body charged under our Constitution with writing the laws of the land be the same one that decides whether or not the Federal Government should regulate internet services and in what manner?
Congrats, that's the dumbest thing I've read this week.
So you're saying this is the only thing you've read on Slashdot this week.
Maybe he reads at +5 and doesn't enjoy the privilege of reading the gay niggers association of america as often as the rest of us?
You don't have to actually put any effort into a filibuster... all you have to do is say "we got 40" and you can't vote.
That's the fault of the majority leader, not the minority that's using the filibuster.