Clinton cut spending, payed off debts, and set things up for tax cuts. Bush spent like a drunken sailor, and gave tax cuts, leaving a mess for the next guy. Damn those nasty big-government tax-and-spend Democrats.
Good thing Clinton strengthened the regulatory structure so excesses like the last few years couldn't have happene..... oh wait, never mind.
This is where I stopped listening. I'll never understand why it's "idiotic" to try and protect our people from nuclear strikes. I guess it's better if we just leave our cities vulnerable to blackmail by any crackpot despot who manages to figure out how to build a deliverable nuclear weapon.
most Dems I talk to today seem to claim "He would be a Democrat if he were alive today".
I think they are forgetting one little bit about him:
AUGUST 14, 1862 -- President Lincoln meets with a "Committee of colored men" and proposes a voluntary program to relocate blacks living in America to a Central American country. Lincoln explains, âoeYou and we are different races. We have between us a broader difference than exists between almost any other two racesâ¦this physical difference is a great disadvantage to us both, as I think your race suffer very greatly, many of them by living among us, while ours suffer from your presence.
You're seriously comparing the CDA and the DMCA to the likes of the Iraq War, badly handling Katrina
I made no such comparison and you are a jackass for implying that I did. All I did was point out some stupidity on the part of the Democrats. I choose stupidity that most/.'ers would relate to, although I could think of many more pieces of policy stupidity that came out of the Clinton years.
and staffing every position with hacks and cronies?
You mean like Janet Reno?
Repubs are demonstrably worse for our country.
Well, that really depends on your point of view doesn't it? If you take the 2nd amendment seriously then you'd probably disagree with that blanket statement. If you'd prefer to see tax cuts instead of Governmental spending then you'd probably disagree with that blanket statement. I fall somewhere in the middle of all that -- I realize how badly the GOP has fucked up in the last eight years but I have zero confidence that the Democrats will do any better. Whatever faith I had in the messiah^WObama went away when he backstabbed his supporters on FISA. I campaigned for the lying scumbag before that and afterwards couldn't even bring myself to vote for him.
I don't buy this "Oh, they're all bad, Dems are just as bad" meme. It's just not factually true.
If it is you value freedom and liberty and realize that both parties have no interest in either when it conflicts with their agenda.
If you are referring to 9/11 that was the long established plan for what POTUS should do in the event of an attack on our country.
There was the choice of McCain or Obama to get things back under adult supervision. It may not have been the one you wanted but it will be an improvement
Who said I wanted either one of them?
and there is still congress, the senate
You mean the same Congress that rubber-stamped everything GWB did when it was controlled by his party? Sorry, I have zero faith in Congress. Most of them place loyalty to party ahead of loyalty to the constitution and the Democratic Congress will be just as happy to rubber stamp Obama's agenda as the Republican Congress was for GWB.
and the judicary
Well, there's some hope there, although I'm personally growing weary of the activist judiciary that has taken it upon itself to set policy.
since the executive branch is not going to act like a monarchy for a very long time (if ever again)
Ha ha ha ha ha. That's funny. Recall Obama's statement when he backstabbed us on FISA:
"So I support the compromise, but do so with a firm pledge that as President, I will carefully monitor the program
Translation: Now that I realize I might actually win this thing, I want these powers for myself in spite of the fact that I was formerly opposed to them. The history of our country is one of every single President since Washington seeking to expand the power of the executive. If you think Obama is going to behave any differently you are in for a rude surprise.
Maybe it's my Native American/Jewish/Polish blood?;) Yeah, I'm a mutt of oppressed races. Of course I've got some German in me too so that kind of makes up for a bit;)
Let's see where it's at in a few days before we form any opinions. Besides, what mistake? All I said was "how much you wanna bet";) I guess it's a good thing I didn't bet the life savings:P
I dunno how I feel about Reagan. Wasn't really old enough when he was POTUS. I do know that all of the incessant hero worship of him turns me off. It just doesn't seem to be keeping in with our Republican (no, not the party) virtues and by all accounts is not what Reagan himself would have wanted.
Archive.org may not be willing to archive important sites (such as pr0n), and it only has a single mirror.
Don't worry I'm working on archiving all that porn locally. Eventually I'll combine every single file into one giant torrent and upload at least 99.9% of it before dropping offline;)
but it's not suffering PTSD after being violently beaten up by greedy assholes.
So in which administration do you think passed a lot of the deregulation that enabled those 'greedy assholes'? Which administration passed the Telecommunications Act, the Communications Decency Act and the Digital Millennium Copyright Act?
Eventually the wet for Obama crowd is going to wake up and realize that the Democrats are just as big of a threat to our way of life as the Republicans are. Of course by the time that happens everybody will have forgotten about how badly the GOP fucked up and we'll start the whole cycle over again. Wash, rinse, repeat.
Well, yeah we knew he was gonna get elected. Al Gore ran the shittiest campaign I've ever seen in my voting lifetime -- at least until John Kerry ran four years later. And before anybody starts whining about Florida let me just respond with one word: Tennessee.
Gore lost his own fucking state. If he hadn't managed to do that then Florida would have been a big fat moot point, Kathrine Harris just would have been another ugly chick with too much makeup and nobody would give a damn what Michael Moore thinks. Hell, maybe they could have gotten together and had a love child.
Of course the downside is we wouldn't have gotten to see a good Kevin Spacey movie;)
Because George Bush managed to fuck up the great economy Clinton left him with
And even if people accept that premise that relates to biased moderations in what way exactly?
because Obama is a visionary and has a fantastic platform
Get back to me in four years before you start spouting about fantastic his platform is. I'm rooting for his success (because we can't afford for him to fail) but I'm not going to call it a "fantastic platform" six days into his administration and I'm growing weary of the worship that surrounds him. And this is coming from someone who campaigned for him.
If you disagree that Bush is a worse president than Clinton was or Obama will be, then it is probably wiser to keep your mouth shut and let the world think you are intelligent rather than removing all doubt.
Translation: If you disagree with me then it is probably wiser to keep your mouth shut, lest I be exposed to competing points of view that might tax my brain and force me to actually think.
The National Archives has versions up of all the Clinton White House pages. Here's one. I'm sure they'll get around to doing the same for Bush eventually. I seriously doubt the Obama team came in and pulled an 'rm -rf' on the old webpage.....
Actually any of us who have had the misfortune of having to fight with the bastards over inaccuracies in our files (not quite credit reports because the arrogant SOBs claim the fair credit reporting act doesn't apply to them) know exactly what they are capable of.
Apparently I was dead. To prove I wasn't dead the drone on the phone from India wanted a copy of my death certificate. The American drones weren't much better. What they added in competence (they never asked for a death certificate) they made up for in sheer arrogance (the aforementioned we are above the law act)
How much you wanna bet the above post gets a +5 insightful whereas a similar post about Clinton (or god help us, Obama) would get -1 troll?
And yeah, I'll get modded down for pointing this out, but what do I care? Karma: Excellent. I just hope whoever opts to throw a -1 offtopic my way also takes a serious look at the parent. And no, I'm not posting this as AC either.
Interesting. I wonder how much of that then has to do with the quality of your TV and/or converter box? A friend of mine lived in almost the exact same situation (albeit in Boston and not in NYC) and where he previously had ghosted images in analog he had no reception at all on digital. It would get a picture but freeze the frame while keeping the audio or all sorts of other strange affects. I've also read similar stories from others.
It would be interesting to see a study done with various models of TV/converter boxes to see if the more expensive ones do a better job of working with crappier signal. It wouldn't surprise me but there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of information out there on this yet.
The digital channels move to their permanent homes, and the analog disappears forever. It cannot continue because that space is *already occupied* by a new tenant. Clear?
So the various stories saying they will leave messages up after the transition are all lying?
Or do I need to speak more s-l-o-w-l-y?
The sarcasm isn't called for. Show some respect to your lower uid elders;)
When the analog signals turn-off, the digital signals move into the former space. So for example, when WBAL-11 turns-off their analog channels, it will immediately be replaced by WBAL-DT-11.
How do you explain the channels that are already broadcasting in both formats then?
There will be no way for an analog station to exist after the 2/17 cutoff, because a "new tenant" has already moved-in and filled the space.
Forcing people to buy things they don't need or want with no benefit to them won't stimulate the economy- it will force dollars away from useful purchases to useless ones. It harms the economy, not boosts it.
What, you mean dumping capital into unproductive ventures isn't the best way to get the economy rolling again? Who knew!
ON MY CABLE FUCKING TV!!!! yeah, thanks comcast, thank you for reminding me every 29 seconds that the DTV switch is coming.
I hate to defend crapcast of all outfits but I'm pretty sure those commercials are mandated by the FCC. Time Warner has been running them like crazy too.
Worse than the commercials though are the misinformed (or lying) reps at Time Warner. Buddy of mine called up to get ghetto cable (just the networks) and they tried to tell him that it was no longer an option and he had to sign up for digital cable so it would work after the switch. Dunno if it was a misinformed rep or somebody trying to make a commission but my friend knows better and was quite pissed off about it.
When they finally do it, instead of shutting off all analog signal they need to make every station in the country broadcast a repeating message for a week explaining what happened and giving instructions plus a phone # to call for more details.
I believe that's what the plan is although I'd wager that it will be displayed for more than a week. It's not like AT&T and Verizon have roll out plans for that spectrum yet anyway. Hell, the cynic in me thinks their "roll out plan" consisted of "let's buy this up to shut down the third pipe before it starts", so there probably isn't a rush to free up the spectrum.
I'm on the fence about whether or not the change is worthwhile -- by all accounts the digital transmissions have worse reception and worse issues with multipath -- but if we accept that it's worthwhile it seems to me that we should stop stonewalling the change. Just get it over with already. Or cancel it and tell Verizon and AT&T to go pound sand (like they were ever gonna give us a third pipe anyway). Either way make a decision already.
They could delay it for 10 more years and there'd still be people out there that have no clue until the TV stops working and a big graphic comes on that explains why it stopped working.
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Clinton cut spending, payed off debts, and set things up for tax cuts. Bush spent like a drunken sailor, and gave tax cuts, leaving a mess for the next guy. Damn those nasty big-government tax-and-spend Democrats.
Good thing Clinton strengthened the regulatory structure so excesses like the last few years couldn't have happene..... oh wait, never mind.
He introduced idiotic SDI program (Starwars)
This is where I stopped listening. I'll never understand why it's "idiotic" to try and protect our people from nuclear strikes. I guess it's better if we just leave our cities vulnerable to blackmail by any crackpot despot who manages to figure out how to build a deliverable nuclear weapon.
the head of a democracy carrying out the wishes of his constituency--what a novel idea!
You mean the head of a republic, right?
most Dems I talk to today seem to claim "He would be a Democrat if he were alive today".
I think they are forgetting one little bit about him:
AUGUST 14, 1862 -- President Lincoln meets with a "Committee of colored men" and proposes a voluntary program to relocate blacks living in America to a Central American country. Lincoln explains, âoeYou and we are different races. We have between us a broader difference than exists between almost any other two racesâ¦this physical difference is a great disadvantage to us both, as I think your race suffer very greatly, many of them by living among us, while ours suffer from your presence.
You're seriously comparing the CDA and the DMCA to the likes of the Iraq War, badly handling Katrina
I made no such comparison and you are a jackass for implying that I did. All I did was point out some stupidity on the part of the Democrats. I choose stupidity that most /.'ers would relate to, although I could think of many more pieces of policy stupidity that came out of the Clinton years.
and staffing every position with hacks and cronies?
You mean like Janet Reno?
Repubs are demonstrably worse for our country.
Well, that really depends on your point of view doesn't it? If you take the 2nd amendment seriously then you'd probably disagree with that blanket statement. If you'd prefer to see tax cuts instead of Governmental spending then you'd probably disagree with that blanket statement. I fall somewhere in the middle of all that -- I realize how badly the GOP has fucked up in the last eight years but I have zero confidence that the Democrats will do any better. Whatever faith I had in the messiah^WObama went away when he backstabbed his supporters on FISA. I campaigned for the lying scumbag before that and afterwards couldn't even bring myself to vote for him.
I don't buy this "Oh, they're all bad, Dems are just as bad" meme. It's just not factually true.
If it is you value freedom and liberty and realize that both parties have no interest in either when it conflicts with their agenda.
and run away when things get frightening
If you are referring to 9/11 that was the long established plan for what POTUS should do in the event of an attack on our country.
There was the choice of McCain or Obama to get things back under adult supervision. It may not have been the one you wanted but it will be an improvement
Who said I wanted either one of them?
and there is still congress, the senate
You mean the same Congress that rubber-stamped everything GWB did when it was controlled by his party? Sorry, I have zero faith in Congress. Most of them place loyalty to party ahead of loyalty to the constitution and the Democratic Congress will be just as happy to rubber stamp Obama's agenda as the Republican Congress was for GWB.
and the judicary
Well, there's some hope there, although I'm personally growing weary of the activist judiciary that has taken it upon itself to set policy.
since the executive branch is not going to act like a monarchy for a very long time (if ever again)
Ha ha ha ha ha. That's funny. Recall Obama's statement when he backstabbed us on FISA:
"So I support the compromise, but do so with a firm pledge that as President, I will carefully monitor the program
Translation: Now that I realize I might actually win this thing, I want these powers for myself in spite of the fact that I was formerly opposed to them. The history of our country is one of every single President since Washington seeking to expand the power of the executive. If you think Obama is going to behave any differently you are in for a rude surprise.
Not to mention the flappy-headed bastards killed Kenny too
Don't even get me started on the war crime that was the Baldwin brothers massacre ;)
Will the Canadian-American war memorial consist of a hockey arena?
It took a lot more than that for the economy to get to the state it is in now.
Yeah, it took 20 years of policy that Bill Clinton and the Democrats happily went along with......
Why do you want to be persecuted so badly?
Maybe it's my Native American/Jewish/Polish blood? ;) Yeah, I'm a mutt of oppressed races. Of course I've got some German in me too so that kind of makes up for a bit ;)
Let's see where it's at in a few days before we form any opinions. Besides, what mistake? All I said was "how much you wanna bet" ;) I guess it's a good thing I didn't bet the life savings :P
I dunno how I feel about Reagan. Wasn't really old enough when he was POTUS. I do know that all of the incessant hero worship of him turns me off. It just doesn't seem to be keeping in with our Republican (no, not the party) virtues and by all accounts is not what Reagan himself would have wanted.
Archive.org may not be willing to archive important sites (such as pr0n), and it only has a single mirror.
Don't worry I'm working on archiving all that porn locally. Eventually I'll combine every single file into one giant torrent and upload at least 99.9% of it before dropping offline ;)
but it's not suffering PTSD after being violently beaten up by greedy assholes.
So in which administration do you think passed a lot of the deregulation that enabled those 'greedy assholes'? Which administration passed the Telecommunications Act, the Communications Decency Act and the Digital Millennium Copyright Act?
Eventually the wet for Obama crowd is going to wake up and realize that the Democrats are just as big of a threat to our way of life as the Republicans are. Of course by the time that happens everybody will have forgotten about how badly the GOP fucked up and we'll start the whole cycle over again. Wash, rinse, repeat.
We KNEW he would be elected
Well, yeah we knew he was gonna get elected. Al Gore ran the shittiest campaign I've ever seen in my voting lifetime -- at least until John Kerry ran four years later. And before anybody starts whining about Florida let me just respond with one word: Tennessee.
Gore lost his own fucking state. If he hadn't managed to do that then Florida would have been a big fat moot point, Kathrine Harris just would have been another ugly chick with too much makeup and nobody would give a damn what Michael Moore thinks. Hell, maybe they could have gotten together and had a love child.
Of course the downside is we wouldn't have gotten to see a good Kevin Spacey movie ;)
Because George Bush managed to fuck up the great economy Clinton left him with
And even if people accept that premise that relates to biased moderations in what way exactly?
because Obama is a visionary and has a fantastic platform
Get back to me in four years before you start spouting about fantastic his platform is. I'm rooting for his success (because we can't afford for him to fail) but I'm not going to call it a "fantastic platform" six days into his administration and I'm growing weary of the worship that surrounds him. And this is coming from someone who campaigned for him.
If you disagree that Bush is a worse president than Clinton was or Obama will be, then it is probably wiser to keep your mouth shut and let the world think you are intelligent rather than removing all doubt.
Translation: If you disagree with me then it is probably wiser to keep your mouth shut, lest I be exposed to competing points of view that might tax my brain and force me to actually think.
The National Archives has versions up of all the Clinton White House pages. Here's one. I'm sure they'll get around to doing the same for Bush eventually. I seriously doubt the Obama team came in and pulled an 'rm -rf' on the old webpage.....
You have no idea what they're capable of
Actually any of us who have had the misfortune of having to fight with the bastards over inaccuracies in our files (not quite credit reports because the arrogant SOBs claim the fair credit reporting act doesn't apply to them) know exactly what they are capable of.
Apparently I was dead. To prove I wasn't dead the drone on the phone from India wanted a copy of my death certificate. The American drones weren't much better. What they added in competence (they never asked for a death certificate) they made up for in sheer arrogance (the aforementioned we are above the law act)
How much you wanna bet the above post gets a +5 insightful whereas a similar post about Clinton (or god help us, Obama) would get -1 troll?
And yeah, I'll get modded down for pointing this out, but what do I care? Karma: Excellent. I just hope whoever opts to throw a -1 offtopic my way also takes a serious look at the parent. And no, I'm not posting this as AC either.
Interesting. I wonder how much of that then has to do with the quality of your TV and/or converter box? A friend of mine lived in almost the exact same situation (albeit in Boston and not in NYC) and where he previously had ghosted images in analog he had no reception at all on digital. It would get a picture but freeze the frame while keeping the audio or all sorts of other strange affects. I've also read similar stories from others.
It would be interesting to see a study done with various models of TV/converter boxes to see if the more expensive ones do a better job of working with crappier signal. It wouldn't surprise me but there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of information out there on this yet.
The digital channels move to their permanent homes, and the analog disappears forever. It cannot continue because that space is *already occupied* by a new tenant. Clear?
So the various stories saying they will leave messages up after the transition are all lying?
Or do I need to speak more s-l-o-w-l-y?
The sarcasm isn't called for. Show some respect to your lower uid elders ;)
How did marketing majors get into this forum?
Ouch. That's a pretty big insult ;)
When the analog signals turn-off, the digital signals move into the former space. So for example, when WBAL-11 turns-off their analog channels, it will immediately be replaced by WBAL-DT-11.
How do you explain the channels that are already broadcasting in both formats then?
There will be no way for an analog station to exist after the 2/17 cutoff, because a "new tenant" has already moved-in and filled the space.
Are you sure about that?
Forcing people to buy things they don't need or want with no benefit to them won't stimulate the economy- it will force dollars away from useful purchases to useless ones. It harms the economy, not boosts it.
What, you mean dumping capital into unproductive ventures isn't the best way to get the economy rolling again? Who knew!
ON MY CABLE FUCKING TV!!!! yeah, thanks comcast, thank you for reminding me every 29 seconds that the DTV switch is coming.
I hate to defend crapcast of all outfits but I'm pretty sure those commercials are mandated by the FCC. Time Warner has been running them like crazy too.
Worse than the commercials though are the misinformed (or lying) reps at Time Warner. Buddy of mine called up to get ghetto cable (just the networks) and they tried to tell him that it was no longer an option and he had to sign up for digital cable so it would work after the switch. Dunno if it was a misinformed rep or somebody trying to make a commission but my friend knows better and was quite pissed off about it.
When they finally do it, instead of shutting off all analog signal they need to make every station in the country broadcast a repeating message for a week explaining what happened and giving instructions plus a phone # to call for more details.
I believe that's what the plan is although I'd wager that it will be displayed for more than a week. It's not like AT&T and Verizon have roll out plans for that spectrum yet anyway. Hell, the cynic in me thinks their "roll out plan" consisted of "let's buy this up to shut down the third pipe before it starts", so there probably isn't a rush to free up the spectrum.
I'm on the fence on this.
I'm on the fence about whether or not the change is worthwhile -- by all accounts the digital transmissions have worse reception and worse issues with multipath -- but if we accept that it's worthwhile it seems to me that we should stop stonewalling the change. Just get it over with already. Or cancel it and tell Verizon and AT&T to go pound sand (like they were ever gonna give us a third pipe anyway). Either way make a decision already.
They could delay it for 10 more years and there'd still be people out there that have no clue until the TV stops working and a big graphic comes on that explains why it stopped working.