More survivable area on the earth if the tropics expand as opposed to half the earth being covered in ice.
I'm guessing you don't live in New York City, Amsterdam, London, Bangladesh or Southern Florida do you? You might want to think about what happens to coastal areas if all of that ice goes away.
History constitutes less than 2000 years. Thats the farthest back for which there are any usable records.
Uhh, dude, even if I don't mention ice cores and other geological evidence, you do realize that we have "usable records" older then 2,000 years, right?
Records survive from the Roman Kingdom -- which is over 2,500 years old. Ditto for records from the Roman Republic (2,000 - 2,500 years old). Some surviving artifacts and records from Babylon are at least as old (moreso in many cases). The Iliad is around 2,800 years old. The Torah is over 3,000 years old. The Egyptian pyramids and associated artifacts/records are even older than that. All of which have survived to the present day.
in islam, koran is said to be unchanged word of god, never edited, never changed, so whatever contained in it is undeniable, impossible to ignore for any muslim
if something is there, it is ordered directly by god, according to islam. thats the difference.
Really? Are you a Muslim yourself? Do you personally know all one billion of them? Because otherwise I find it pretty amazing that you can claim that something is 'impossible to ignore' for 'any Muslim'. The Muslims that I know don't feel particularly compelled to live under the Sharia. I would imagine that there are just as many Muslims who ignore the more extremist interpretations of their faith as there are Catholics who do the same. How many Catholics do you know that use birth control? Or engage in pre-martial sex? Or who get divorced?
Every single one of your arguments has been so ridiculously one-sided that I honestly don't see a point to any further discussion. Practically every post in this entire thread has been modded offtopic (rightfully so) and I regret getting drawn into this pointless exercise with you.
For the record, I don't have a problem with our support for our Israeli Ally. In fact I have a fair number of friends from Israel. That country is one of the few functional democracies in the region and on that basis alone I would support Israel if she was threatened. What bothers me is how one-sided we are when it comes to them.
Any moron with a brain and a history book can see that the Palestinians have some legitimate gripes. I place a lot of the blame for that with the neighboring Arab countries -- their despotic leaders clearly benefit from the ongoing crisis -- nothing like an external enemy to distract the populace from your own oppression. That said, had I been born a Palestinian I would be out in the street throwing rocks too. And so would you, though I doubt you'll admit it.
heritage. just as almost third of the koran is borrowed from christianity, but it explicitly orders muslims to attack christians and jews in maida surah 9/29.
Please explain why pulling a random quote out of the Koran is any more 'relevant' then someone doing the same thing to your holy book?
The Public Utilities Commissions which were created to prevent the need for public ownership of infrastructure has failed in its mission where it has permitted cherry picking and inconsistent levels of service
Those Commissions haven't "failed". They were defanged by a decade of deregulation and pro-business lobbies that denied them (in all but a few states) the power to regulate ISPs and the Wireless Industry.
I can't speak for other states, but the NYS Public Service Commission is pretty damned good at what they do. The few times I've had to escalate a complaint to them I usually wind up talking with a utility executive (typically Verizon) within two business hours. Give them authority over Internet Services and Wireless Telephones and we'll see how quickly this bullshit stops.
Native american history and ancient middle east history can not be compared. native american history is a history of migrations, whereas ancient middle east history is a history of cultural changes
So conquest of wandering nomads is ok?
this should give an idea why proto jews were there as nomadic tribes already, LONG before 1800 BC.
And this is relevant to the present day situation because....?
jews were there more than 2 millenia ago, they controlled it aroun 500 years
More than two millennia ago, modern day England was controlled by the Roman empire for about 400 years. Should London be returned to it's rightful owners in Italy?
with your argument you could totally justify israeli occupation of palestinian lands - nobody owes any palestinian anything because early muslim empire arabs were able to take those lands from byzantine empire, but then lost it.
Why did you draw the conclusion that my argument was only directed at the Jews?
leading me to wonder if there is actually a note in my account that has me marked as a high-traffic user.
I wouldn't be surprised by that at all.
In the same vain, what amuses me is how I could call Roadrunner, whine about the price being too high and get whatever "promotional" deal they were currently running (even if said deal was only for new customers). Amazingly enough, if I tried to make the same request on behalf of a friend who lived too far out to get DSL they would refuse. Never refused when the request was made for someone who had an alternative though.
jews were there 1400 years before any arab appeared on the history scene
And your point is, what exactly? Native American's were here for a little bit longer than 1,400 years before we appeared. Will you support a Native American movement that seeks to carve an independent country out of the United States? How about a "right of return"? My great-grandparents had to flee Germany in the 30s -- can I now return to Germany to seize the house they used to live in?
Don't get me wrong -- I don't pretend to have a solution for the Middle East either -- but this idea that a racial/religious group has a "right" to some land based on the fact that they controlled it two millennia ago (the Jews) or even a few decades ago (the Palestinians) is a pretty thin argument.
The World doesn't owe you a damn thing just because your parents, grandparents, great-grandparents or ancient-ancestors-living-in-the-time-of-Julius-Ceaser got a raw deal.
That'd be a great idea, except for the fact that even a rudimentary workaround such as the one you describe is, in fact, illegal because of the anti-circumvention provisions of the DMCA.
Too bad for RIAA that those provisions are about as enforceable as marijuana prohibition....
Maybe we need a "Piracy Czar" and a "War on Piracy". That should do the trick after a few billion dollars and a couple of decades.
Is it just me, or is eBay well on its way to becoming yet another evil.com?
"Well on its way"? Dude, that plane had a tailwind and arrived several years ahead of schedule;) eBay has been an 'evil.com' for at least the last few years.
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Say if you own stock in Ford, you can't own stock in GM or any other car company., but still be able to purchase stock in Microsoft or such. Or If you own stock in say, Apple, you shouldn't be able to own stock in Microsoft, but can own stock in Toyota.
My 403(b) (basically a 401(k) for non-profits) plan holds investments in every single one of those companies that you listed. I suspect that your 401(k)/403(b) does as well. And virtually every single mutual fund in existence will hold shares from at least two companies that compete with each other in some shape or form.
Unrestrained capitalism is no better than Communism.
I agree. But I don't see any benefit towards restricting what stocks an individual can own.
Don't get too wrapped up in it - That's mcgrew. He posts prolifically even when he has absolutely nothing to say...
Yeah, he's pretty bad, but he ain't got nothing on "Anonymous Coward". That guy usually makes dozens (hundreds!) of posts per story and 90% of them have absolutely nothing to say;)
Oh, and for the guy that wanted me to "spill" about how much I got for it, I sold him that one plus a Pentium 266Mhz and set them both up with DOS 3 for $200.
The guy was just so happy to have it back we probably could have charged triple and he wouldn't have complained,
You should have charged him triple. Seriously. I do quite a bit of consulting outside of my day job (isn't it great being an IT person? Everything from PCs to vending machines are somehow our specialty) and I often made the mistake of undercharging for my work.
For everything that you did for that guy and for saving him tens of thousands of dollars? You probably got paid under the table? Next time ask for $595 -- $5 less then the 1099 reporting requirement. You get $600 tax free and they get a working system with no headaches for a fraction of the cost of going elsewhere.
I'll be the last one to defend Japan, but why should Japan refrain from "conquering her way" into power when all the others had been and were still doing it?
Because Japan wanted to "conquer her way" into power largely after the age of colonialism and in the modern age we don't tolerate that sort of behavior? Hell, to quote from Wikipedia:
"Japan's imperialist goals in China were to maintain a secure supply of natural resources and to have puppet governments in China that would not act against Japanese interests. Although Japanese actions would not have seemed out of place among European colonial powers in the 19th century, by 1930, notions of Wilsonian self-determination meant military force in support of colonialism was no longer seen as appropriate behavior by the international community."
Hell, if your defense of Japan boils down to "Why shouldn't she have?" then does that same defense not apply to Nazi Germany? Or Fascist Italy?
The way things were developing, the US-Japan blowup was going to happen regardless of Nanking massacre/China
That's doubtful. If it wasn't for the issues in China and the occupation of French Indochina, exactly why would the United States cut off trade with Japan? If the United States doesn't cut her off from oil and resources, exactly what reason does Japan have to pick a fight with a nation that has five times her GDP and half again the population?
and your complaint about lack of Chinese gratitude on this point seems rather overblown to me
It's not a complaint about a lack of "gratitude". It's a complaint about a selective reading of history tailored to stir up nationalist sentiment for the benefit of an oppressive regime. As I said before there is a lot more to the history of Western->Chinese relations than the wars of the 19 century and the "Unequal Treaties".
No, your government calls people a terrorist, locks them up and then ignore their rights. Pretty similar to what the Chinese is doing though you know what the "crime" (if you can call it that) is that the "criminal" has done. Did you know that the Chinese also calls them "terrorists" in many cases?
And the difference that you seem content to overlook is the fact that I'm perfectly free to speak out against the actions of my Government and I have done so on many occasions. I don't support Gitmo. I don't support extraoridentary redidion. I don't support torture. Try living in China and speaking out against the policy towards Tibet or (god forbid) Taiwan and see how long the Government tolerates you doing it.
We could certainly be doing a better job here in the US, but the notion that we don't have the right to point out human rights abuses by China because we aren't 100% perfect ourselves isn't very logical.
The same goes for the FBI who can now do whatever they like without the need to tell what has been done. They don't even need an accusation to hold the person for 48 hours or how long it is, no questions asked before or after.
That's really not new. The exact requirements vary from state to state but generally speaking law enforcement in the United States can hold you for 24-72 hours without charges. I'm not the biggest fan of that but it's a decent balance between the rights of the individual and the interests of society in solving/preventing crime.
Contrast that to China where they can hold you indefinitely without charges or trial. I'm sure you'll throw Gitmo and our detainee policy right back in my face for that comment but the fact remains that as an American citizen not engaged in illegal warfare (the Geneva Conventions also apply to them -- and the conventions say that troops have to fight in uniform, among other things) my Government can't hold me without charging me and making a case beyond a reasonable doubt. Think it works that way in China?
How is the US any better than the Chinese, oh yeah, you trust your government but not the other?
Because I have the right to say on this forum that I don't trust my Government and my Chinese friends don't?
Your argument that we went to war against Japan because of China is like saying we went to war with Afghanistan (Taliban) because Taliban oppressed women, not because of 9/11 al Queda.
And the argument that Pearl Harbor was the sole reason that the Pacific War happened is the same type of argument that strips away all of the history behind Islamic Terrorism and boils 9/11 down to a sound bite like "They hate us because we are free"
Pearl Harbor was a direct result of the embargo's imposed upon Japan. Those embargo's were imposed because of Japanese actions in China. I really don't think it's a huge leap to make the assertion that we take a moral stance against their activities in China. If Japan had been willing to compete on the economic stage instead of trying to conquer her way to economic independence then the Pacific War never would have happened and sixteen million Chinese civilians wouldn't have been murdered.
It's funny to here people complain about some things when similar things is happening right in their backyard.
Really? What similar things are happening in our backyard? Are we dealing with any ethic/cultural minority groups clamoring for independence? Are we building a Great Firewall to close off objectionable parts of the Internet? Are we throwing bloggers in jail that disagree with Governmental policy?
Oh could you be so kind as to make me a recommendation for a good New York wine?
Depends on your tastes. New York doesn't do very good dry wines -- as a random example I'm a big fan of Merlot -- New York State Merlot downright sucks (IMHO). The climate just isn't cut out for growing those types of grapes. What we are good at is semi-dry table wines and sweet dessert wines. I'm a rather fond fan of Lucas Vineyards 'Tug Boat Red'.
That wine is more or less representative of the strengths of New York Wine -- unique blends of Finger Lakes grapes that combine to make an overall great wine that works equally well for a white cloth dinner or takeout pizza on a Friday night.
If you are fairly close to New York State you should consider touring one or more of the Finger Lakes wine trails if you have the chance. I'm rather fond of Cayuga Lake -- you can start in Ithaca (Ithaca itself is a great experience -- check out the Ithaca Commons if you go and avoid the strip malls/Wal-Mart part of town) and go up the west side of the lake. Lucas is there, along with Americana and Goose Watch. Those would probably be my top three but there are at least a dozen other wineries on that trail that also deserve your attention.
Also, since I'm plugging local interests and tastes, if you happen to be a beer connoisseur then don't forget to check out Ithaca Brewing Company, should you get the chance to take the trip I outlined above. Another (better known) New York brewery is Brewery Ommegang. They are likely too far away to combine with a trip to the Finger Lakes, but they do have major distribution agreements and you can generally find them in most states on the East Coast.
In the very least, if Obama does win the election and I spend the next four years cursing his administration, I can at least say, before I get too bent out of shape, at least one his supporters tuned me into a great wine.
Ha ha, at least you didn't ask me why I'm not supporting Hillary;) A lot of people seem compelled to ask me that when they learn that I'm from New York State.
He didn't say it was "better". He said that holding up Gitmo as an equivalent atrocity is to 'betray the very arguments being made against GB' and if you object to Gitmo you should also be objecting to the actions of the Chinese regime.
So... you're saying the US went to war with Japan to check Japan, not to help China.
And you don't think the Japanese atrocities in China had anything at all to do with our decision to "check" Japan as you put it?
FDR was primarily concerned with Europe and did not want to fight a Pacific War. The priority was defeating Germany. In spite of this we still pursued a policy towards Japan that ultimately led to war -- and that policy came about because of their actions in China. Had they agreed to withdraw from China and French Indochina then the US and UK would have ended the embargo overnight. No embargo == no Pacific War.
Open your mouth and pour some more coffee before opening your mouth again.:-)
Amazingly enough (in spite of eight years of working in the IT field) I don't have a coffee/caffeine habit. Don't see any reason to start now;)
Would us Canadians get attacked for human rights abuse for not granting Quebec independence?
At what point in the history of the Quebecois Independence Movement has the Canadian Government resorted to the types of tactics that we've seen China employ in Tibet/Tiananmen Square?
For those in the US, replace Canada with US and Quebec with Texas
Speaking as a New Yorker I'd be only too happy to see Texas leave the union;) Can they take the rest of the South with them? *duck*
I know the USA makes some good stuff but I had a bottle of French wine that was just out of this world. I am by no means a wine connoisseur, but to me, the difference between this bottle of French wine I had and a number of American wines was like night and day. A good French wine is a beautiful, wonderful, thing, and I'm not giving that up, for sure.
IAAWC (I am a wine connoisseur) and while this is just my personal taste, I've found that (liter for liter) Italian wine is far superior to anything that comes out of France. Italy doesn't seem to get any credit for it though -- even within Europe.
In much the same way, there are some really good American wines that are every bit as good as anything that comes out of France. You just have to know how to find them and avoid the mass-produced crap that comes out of California. Being a native New Yorker I'm probably somewhat biased on the subject (we are the third or fourth largest producer of wine in the US but still overshadowed by California), but I think some of our wines compete quite well on the global stage.
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I'm guessing you don't live in New York City, Amsterdam, London, Bangladesh or Southern Florida do you? You might want to think about what happens to coastal areas if all of that ice goes away.
Uhh, dude, even if I don't mention ice cores and other geological evidence, you do realize that we have "usable records" older then 2,000 years, right?
Records survive from the Roman Kingdom -- which is over 2,500 years old. Ditto for records from the Roman Republic (2,000 - 2,500 years old). Some surviving artifacts and records from Babylon are at least as old (moreso in many cases). The Iliad is around 2,800 years old. The Torah is over 3,000 years old. The Egyptian pyramids and associated artifacts/records are even older than that. All of which have survived to the present day.
Really? Are you a Muslim yourself? Do you personally know all one billion of them? Because otherwise I find it pretty amazing that you can claim that something is 'impossible to ignore' for 'any Muslim'. The Muslims that I know don't feel particularly compelled to live under the Sharia. I would imagine that there are just as many Muslims who ignore the more extremist interpretations of their faith as there are Catholics who do the same. How many Catholics do you know that use birth control? Or engage in pre-martial sex? Or who get divorced?
Every single one of your arguments has been so ridiculously one-sided that I honestly don't see a point to any further discussion. Practically every post in this entire thread has been modded offtopic (rightfully so) and I regret getting drawn into this pointless exercise with you.
For the record, I don't have a problem with our support for our Israeli Ally. In fact I have a fair number of friends from Israel. That country is one of the few functional democracies in the region and on that basis alone I would support Israel if she was threatened. What bothers me is how one-sided we are when it comes to them.
Any moron with a brain and a history book can see that the Palestinians have some legitimate gripes. I place a lot of the blame for that with the neighboring Arab countries -- their despotic leaders clearly benefit from the ongoing crisis -- nothing like an external enemy to distract the populace from your own oppression. That said, had I been born a Palestinian I would be out in the street throwing rocks too. And so would you, though I doubt you'll admit it.
Relevance? A response to this remark:
heritage. just as almost third of the koran is borrowed from christianity, but it explicitly orders muslims to attack christians and jews in maida surah 9/29.Please explain why pulling a random quote out of the Koran is any more 'relevant' then someone doing the same thing to your holy book?
Those Commissions haven't "failed". They were defanged by a decade of deregulation and pro-business lobbies that denied them (in all but a few states) the power to regulate ISPs and the Wireless Industry.
I can't speak for other states, but the NYS Public Service Commission is pretty damned good at what they do. The few times I've had to escalate a complaint to them I usually wind up talking with a utility executive (typically Verizon) within two business hours. Give them authority over Internet Services and Wireless Telephones and we'll see how quickly this bullshit stops.
Human beings? ;)
And the Old Testament explicitly orders the stoning of adulterers, those who work on the Sabbath and Homosexuals.
So conquest of wandering nomads is ok?
this should give an idea why proto jews were there as nomadic tribes already, LONG before 1800 BC.And this is relevant to the present day situation because....?
jews were there more than 2 millenia ago, they controlled it aroun 500 yearsMore than two millennia ago, modern day England was controlled by the Roman empire for about 400 years. Should London be returned to it's rightful owners in Italy?
with your argument you could totally justify israeli occupation of palestinian lands - nobody owes any palestinian anything because early muslim empire arabs were able to take those lands from byzantine empire, but then lost it.Why did you draw the conclusion that my argument was only directed at the Jews?
I wouldn't be surprised by that at all.
In the same vain, what amuses me is how I could call Roadrunner, whine about the price being too high and get whatever "promotional" deal they were currently running (even if said deal was only for new customers). Amazingly enough, if I tried to make the same request on behalf of a friend who lived too far out to get DSL they would refuse. Never refused when the request was made for someone who had an alternative though.
And your point is, what exactly? Native American's were here for a little bit longer than 1,400 years before we appeared. Will you support a Native American movement that seeks to carve an independent country out of the United States? How about a "right of return"? My great-grandparents had to flee Germany in the 30s -- can I now return to Germany to seize the house they used to live in?
Don't get me wrong -- I don't pretend to have a solution for the Middle East either -- but this idea that a racial/religious group has a "right" to some land based on the fact that they controlled it two millennia ago (the Jews) or even a few decades ago (the Palestinians) is a pretty thin argument.
The World doesn't owe you a damn thing just because your parents, grandparents, great-grandparents or ancient-ancestors-living-in-the-time-of-Julius-Ceaser got a raw deal.
Too bad for RIAA that those provisions are about as enforceable as marijuana prohibition....
Maybe we need a "Piracy Czar" and a "War on Piracy". That should do the trick after a few billion dollars and a couple of decades.
"Well on its way"? Dude, that plane had a tailwind and arrived several years ahead of schedule ;) eBay has been an 'evil .com' for at least the last few years.
My 403(b) (basically a 401(k) for non-profits) plan holds investments in every single one of those companies that you listed. I suspect that your 401(k)/403(b) does as well. And virtually every single mutual fund in existence will hold shares from at least two companies that compete with each other in some shape or form.
Unrestrained capitalism is no better than Communism.I agree. But I don't see any benefit towards restricting what stocks an individual can own.
You must be 'Client Number Ten' ;)
Yeah, he's pretty bad, but he ain't got nothing on "Anonymous Coward". That guy usually makes dozens (hundreds!) of posts per story and 90% of them have absolutely nothing to say ;)
You should have charged him triple. Seriously. I do quite a bit of consulting outside of my day job (isn't it great being an IT person? Everything from PCs to vending machines are somehow our specialty) and I often made the mistake of undercharging for my work.
For everything that you did for that guy and for saving him tens of thousands of dollars? You probably got paid under the table? Next time ask for $595 -- $5 less then the 1099 reporting requirement. You get $600 tax free and they get a working system with no headaches for a fraction of the cost of going elsewhere.
Because Japan wanted to "conquer her way" into power largely after the age of colonialism and in the modern age we don't tolerate that sort of behavior? Hell, to quote from Wikipedia:
"Japan's imperialist goals in China were to maintain a secure supply of natural resources and to have puppet governments in China that would not act against Japanese interests. Although Japanese actions would not have seemed out of place among European colonial powers in the 19th century, by 1930, notions of Wilsonian self-determination meant military force in support of colonialism was no longer seen as appropriate behavior by the international community."
Hell, if your defense of Japan boils down to "Why shouldn't she have?" then does that same defense not apply to Nazi Germany? Or Fascist Italy?
The way things were developing, the US-Japan blowup was going to happen regardless of Nanking massacre/ChinaThat's doubtful. If it wasn't for the issues in China and the occupation of French Indochina, exactly why would the United States cut off trade with Japan? If the United States doesn't cut her off from oil and resources, exactly what reason does Japan have to pick a fight with a nation that has five times her GDP and half again the population?
and your complaint about lack of Chinese gratitude on this point seems rather overblown to meIt's not a complaint about a lack of "gratitude". It's a complaint about a selective reading of history tailored to stir up nationalist sentiment for the benefit of an oppressive regime. As I said before there is a lot more to the history of Western->Chinese relations than the wars of the 19 century and the "Unequal Treaties".
And the difference that you seem content to overlook is the fact that I'm perfectly free to speak out against the actions of my Government and I have done so on many occasions. I don't support Gitmo. I don't support extraoridentary redidion. I don't support torture. Try living in China and speaking out against the policy towards Tibet or (god forbid) Taiwan and see how long the Government tolerates you doing it.
We could certainly be doing a better job here in the US, but the notion that we don't have the right to point out human rights abuses by China because we aren't 100% perfect ourselves isn't very logical.
The same goes for the FBI who can now do whatever they like without the need to tell what has been done. They don't even need an accusation to hold the person for 48 hours or how long it is, no questions asked before or after.That's really not new. The exact requirements vary from state to state but generally speaking law enforcement in the United States can hold you for 24-72 hours without charges. I'm not the biggest fan of that but it's a decent balance between the rights of the individual and the interests of society in solving/preventing crime.
Contrast that to China where they can hold you indefinitely without charges or trial. I'm sure you'll throw Gitmo and our detainee policy right back in my face for that comment but the fact remains that as an American citizen not engaged in illegal warfare (the Geneva Conventions also apply to them -- and the conventions say that troops have to fight in uniform, among other things) my Government can't hold me without charging me and making a case beyond a reasonable doubt. Think it works that way in China?
How is the US any better than the Chinese, oh yeah, you trust your government but not the other?Because I have the right to say on this forum that I don't trust my Government and my Chinese friends don't?
And the argument that Pearl Harbor was the sole reason that the Pacific War happened is the same type of argument that strips away all of the history behind Islamic Terrorism and boils 9/11 down to a sound bite like "They hate us because we are free"
Pearl Harbor was a direct result of the embargo's imposed upon Japan. Those embargo's were imposed because of Japanese actions in China. I really don't think it's a huge leap to make the assertion that we take a moral stance against their activities in China. If Japan had been willing to compete on the economic stage instead of trying to conquer her way to economic independence then the Pacific War never would have happened and sixteen million Chinese civilians wouldn't have been murdered.
Really? What similar things are happening in our backyard? Are we dealing with any ethic/cultural minority groups clamoring for independence? Are we building a Great Firewall to close off objectionable parts of the Internet? Are we throwing bloggers in jail that disagree with Governmental policy?
Depends on your tastes. New York doesn't do very good dry wines -- as a random example I'm a big fan of Merlot -- New York State Merlot downright sucks (IMHO). The climate just isn't cut out for growing those types of grapes. What we are good at is semi-dry table wines and sweet dessert wines. I'm a rather fond fan of Lucas Vineyards 'Tug Boat Red'.
That wine is more or less representative of the strengths of New York Wine -- unique blends of Finger Lakes grapes that combine to make an overall great wine that works equally well for a white cloth dinner or takeout pizza on a Friday night.
If you are fairly close to New York State you should consider touring one or more of the Finger Lakes wine trails if you have the chance. I'm rather fond of Cayuga Lake -- you can start in Ithaca (Ithaca itself is a great experience -- check out the Ithaca Commons if you go and avoid the strip malls/Wal-Mart part of town) and go up the west side of the lake. Lucas is there, along with Americana and Goose Watch. Those would probably be my top three but there are at least a dozen other wineries on that trail that also deserve your attention.
Also, since I'm plugging local interests and tastes, if you happen to be a beer connoisseur then don't forget to check out Ithaca Brewing Company, should you get the chance to take the trip I outlined above. Another (better known) New York brewery is Brewery Ommegang. They are likely too far away to combine with a trip to the Finger Lakes, but they do have major distribution agreements and you can generally find them in most states on the East Coast.
In the very least, if Obama does win the election and I spend the next four years cursing his administration, I can at least say, before I get too bent out of shape, at least one his supporters tuned me into a great wine.Ha ha, at least you didn't ask me why I'm not supporting Hillary ;) A lot of people seem compelled to ask me that when they learn that I'm from New York State.
He didn't say it was "better". He said that holding up Gitmo as an equivalent atrocity is to 'betray the very arguments being made against GB' and if you object to Gitmo you should also be objecting to the actions of the Chinese regime.
And you don't think the Japanese atrocities in China had anything at all to do with our decision to "check" Japan as you put it?
FDR was primarily concerned with Europe and did not want to fight a Pacific War. The priority was defeating Germany. In spite of this we still pursued a policy towards Japan that ultimately led to war -- and that policy came about because of their actions in China. Had they agreed to withdraw from China and French Indochina then the US and UK would have ended the embargo overnight. No embargo == no Pacific War.
Open your mouth and pour some more coffee before opening your mouth again.Amazingly enough (in spite of eight years of working in the IT field) I don't have a coffee/caffeine habit. Don't see any reason to start now ;)
At what point in the history of the Quebecois Independence Movement has the Canadian Government resorted to the types of tactics that we've seen China employ in Tibet/Tiananmen Square?
For those in the US, replace Canada with US and Quebec with TexasSpeaking as a New Yorker I'd be only too happy to see Texas leave the union ;) Can they take the rest of the South with them? *duck*
IAAWC (I am a wine connoisseur) and while this is just my personal taste, I've found that (liter for liter) Italian wine is far superior to anything that comes out of France. Italy doesn't seem to get any credit for it though -- even within Europe.
In much the same way, there are some really good American wines that are every bit as good as anything that comes out of France. You just have to know how to find them and avoid the mass-produced crap that comes out of California. Being a native New Yorker I'm probably somewhat biased on the subject (we are the third or fourth largest producer of wine in the US but still overshadowed by California), but I think some of our wines compete quite well on the global stage.